Imagine waiting 12 years for a mega only to receive this SLOPWhat other champions humiliation changes have you found?
>>59143868I remember Chandelure being robbed of its Shadow Tag because the favored child Gengar was getting overshadowed
>>59143881chandelure is so much cooler than fagnar. mega design is better, too. fuck you, gamefreak
>>59143868They nerfed leech seed by half1/8 to 1/16FUCK GRASS TYPES USING AN ALREADY NICHE MOVE I GUESS
>>59143868These are all the new megas abilities. Every other mega isn't in the game yet
>>59143955Meganium, Rillaboom, Whoregerpon, and Venusaur, are the only grass types you should be using and they all have sets that don’t require leech seed
>>59144081And these are all the (non megastone) items in the game. Every other item is removed.Incl competitive items like choice band/scarf, life orb, assault vest, heavy-duty boots, safety googles
>>59143955CIR was too good with it, whine to him
>>59144091They REALLY needed to a) put all these in b) just mark them with “coming in a future regulation” if they want to hold them back from online and c) allow them in private games
>>59144091> Pikachu's left testicleboring, also is that unironic Brightpowder?
>>59143955>Leech seed caught in the crossfire for nerfing salt cureThe zamazenta/zacian ability treatment...
>>59144121It wasn’t. If you played VGC, you’d know calyrex with sub, protect, leech, glacial would get way too many ko’s with leech seed
>>59144091Choice scarf still in but yeah, fuck this shit, one step forward a thousand stops back.
>>59144091This was done to buff Megas by the way, everyone knows Megas are just bad compared to how powercreeped modern abilities and stats are when enabled by a really good held item so they just straight up made it harder for most mons to outcompete a Mega.
>>59144129Protect got it's pp nerfed as well. Subseed strategies are a lot worse 1/16 is fucking ridiculous though. It should've been 1/10 or 12 at least then if they wanted to nerf it, it's identical to burn dmg now so you're going to heal for nothing
>>59144091>no Life orb or Assault vest>has Oran berryT...thanks Gamefreak
>>59144129Is tumour bunny even in Champions?
>>59144173No, not yet, but they pre-emptively nerfed everything that made mons like Calyrex and Urshifu infamous for when the bastards invariably return.
>>59143868I don’t understand this obsession with caring about Pokemon abilities. Is it just an autism thing with people who are really into competitive?
>>59144173>>59144178Majority of regular pokemon vgc staples aren't even in. Let alone new megas. No legendaries/mythicals like caly are in at all yet
>>59144091>no hyper damage items>leftover and shell bell are thereultra stall bros... we RISE
>>59144091>Oran BerryGive me your best Lv. 50 Oran Berry sets NOW
>>59144198Wow great pic, thanks for posting! I can’t wait to use Hatenna! Centro with the factual ‘leaks’ after a game’s release once again!
Is funbro buildable?
>>59144203uhhhhhh poison type natural giftoh wait they dexcut that move
>>59144212Odds are Slowbro's losing one of its Funbro moves, they've been very stingy about what gets to stay or go from movesets.
>paralysis nerfed to 1/8 chance>sleep nerfed to 2 sleep turns max>game ends in a draw if you stall the timer
>>59144091>>59144163>>59144203>All those berries>Half of held items are literally just berriesENTER
>>59144272...And the ONLY mons currently here who can actually threaten with Unnerve all have Mega Evolutions that would prefer to go Mega ASAP or Corviknight, who prefers Mirror Armor (or hell, even Pressure now that there's a lot of PP nerfs)!
>>59144090Chesnaught used it. With it's mega there's no leftovers for recovery so that leech seed would've matter a whole lot more than before. Synthesis can only get you so far and without the leech seed damage ticking, spamming synthesis doesn't get you anywhere
>>59144194Play the games and you might get it.
>>59143868>Removed moves >No aqua jet>No boom burst>No bullet punch>No curse>No dazzling gleam (???)>No dragon claw (????????????????)>No dragon pulse (??????)>No extreme speed>No high horsepower>No hydro pump (???????????????)>No mach punch>No magic coat>No mega horn>No power gem>No power whip>No quick attack>No seed bomb>No shadow force>No shadow sneak>No vacuum wave>No x scissorThis game is fucking dead
>>59144385This list is wrong. First thing I saw was Hyper Voice and it’s 100% in
>>59144081I fear for Malamar
>>59144393Man I hope it's wrong. If that really was true I just can't defend the game. How could you remove so many core staple abilities. Signature moves for mons not in the game I understand but most of those are universal and some straight up TMs
>>59143955Imagine nerfing something that requires so much setup to even be remotely valuable, and still can be spun away at any moment.
>>59144409My cope is the 2nd batch of megas like malamar, staraptor, barbaracle all get stronger abilities after the backlash from how garbage this first batch is...
>>59144419Malamar will need an ability on the level of Mega Sol and Spicy Spray combined to do anything
>>59143868Seeing Smogonfaggots seething about Stelwart on Mega Skarmory has been hilarious. Yes it's a shit ability on VGC too, but it's funny how even after +10 years of Gamefreak catering to VGC they still can't accept it
>>59143868>Infiltrator>On a pokemon with 90 speedWhy didn't they give him shadow tag... what is this KANTOOOO exclusivity with gengar It's movepool isn't even good enough compare to gengar and even gothitelle for shadow tag trapping. It's pure offense moves
>>59144462Only shillmons like gengar, meganium, and CHARIZARD are allowed to be good
>>59144464>shillmon>meganium
>>59144503>megasol>not a shillmon Are you ok?
>>59144517>needed Mence and Gross to literally not exist to be worth usinglol
>>59144385You literally use Bullet punch in the tutorial.
>>59144528>mence and gross were removed just so it would be uncounterableYep, Shillmon
>>59144413Nigger you need to get off twitter and kill yourself asapthis is a faggy post and you are a retard on top of that
Im just glad niggaboom is out
>>59144517meganium has historically been neglected for decades as the most forgotten starterjust because it suddenly got one thing for it doesn't mean it's a shillmon
>>59143868>>59144462>Almost always used flash fire>Give it the worse of it's abilitiesbruh. those balance patches they mentioned better fix this
>>59144647>Mega Gallade still has Inner Focuslol you wish
>>59144657It's immune to intimidate now.. but yeah it's still worse than sharpnessWhy do they keep giving megas worse abilities than their originals...
>>59144607100% he’ll be back in 2 seasons when they think timmy is ready to learn what a terrain is
>>59144129Yes clearly Leech Seed is the problem and not Calyrex cancer
>>59143868>>59144198>>59144209Here's the full list of pokemon in champions
>>59144702Barrage and lance to 4 lol
>>59144129If 100 pokemon have a move and only one of them is very strong with it, quite possibly it isn't the move that's the issue. Also that fag isn't even in the game.
>>59144657You don't know what true pain is.
>>59144741>At the end of each turn, Healer has a 30% chance of curing an adjacent ally's status condition>>>>>>30%Even if this was a 100% it would still be bad.. Imagine losing regenerator for that
>>59144741>pokemon created just to feel pain as it’s killed for xp>mega is more pain for its fansIt’s like poetry
>>59144661Funny part is sharpness is a 1.5x boost, so -1 sharpness gallade and an inner focus gallade that has resisted intimidate are exactly the same power. Sharpness is just way stronger the rest of the time lol
>>59143955Imo they are trying to discourage these moves because they slow the game down too much for mobile players if they are actually good and worth building around
>>59144750With the pp nerfs to protect, and even status being nerfed. No 6v6 option at all even in customs. It looks like they don't want stall to be a playstyle at all, because like you said adhd mobile players>What little competitive-ness pokemon has is being stripped away for casualsGrim
>>59144755Don't forget>Leech Seed reduced to having an utterly worthless 1/16th sap effect, fully discouraging Sub-Protect strats
>>59144755I know you existed entirely on the Smogon ladder your entire life but 6v6 hasn’t been a thing in official competitive for a decade, and stall as a strategy looks WAY different in VGC.They did actually nerf stall too (time overs now auto-draw rather than choosing a winner of attrition so you can’t timer stall from a lead position) but you aren’t even mad about it because you never used stall in a real format.
>>59144764Perish trapping is legit in vgc. Even leech seed discussion in this thread. All that's nerfed tooSpore is spammed in vgc all the time that it's one of the most dominate strategies, that got nerfed. It's not just a 6v6 smogon discussion only, they nerfed stalling in GENERAL
>>59143868Stalwart is good right? The others are awful
>>59144797Unironically yes, especially in doubles. Only reason you never saw Stalwart prior is because Stamina was better for Archaludon's longevity.
>>59144764It doesn’t autodraw or if it does there’s a bug with it. https://x.com/adisubra/status/2041723920462532947
>>59144797>>59144807On paper it looks good. In practice no, it's bad for mega skarmory in particular >>59144555It's a doubles only ability (literally does nothing in singles) and even in doubles it's usage is very bad Stalwart would be better off on a pokemon who wants to status or fake out, skarmory doesn't really have any of that. It will just bravebird. Or tailwind/swords dance which stalwart doesn't affect, it really doesn't have good moves to make use of it
>>59144780I’m well aware of the ways stall strats actually got nerfed in Champions, I’m saying the anon I was replying to has no idea what stall looks like or why 6v6 is not a thing (it isn’t stall).Stall is WAY more potent in VGC, in singles your best option for DOT is what? “Toxic + salt cure + leech seed, and if you switch to clear you eat rocks + 3 spikes”? In VGC my best option for DOT is “the tera fairy Flutter Mane next to me that you can’t target clicking Dazzling Gleam into both your slots, and you’re two mons down so no more switching allowed lol”Even with the status nerfs and subprotect nerfs to leech seed, Sus Mushroom will still top the ladder. Stall isn’t going anywhere.
>>59144825Did they give any new moves to skarmory?
>>59144825>redirection>fake outNami desu ka ?xD
>>59144755>Full Para to 1/8thBASED>Sleep caps to 1 - 2 turnsI don't like sleep, but it should at least last 3 turns total or there's 0 reason for Early Bird to exist.>Freeze lasts up to 3 turns BASED
>>59144840He’s saying stalwart matters a lot more on a mon that wants to disrupt a specific target rather than an offensive threat. Which is sort of true, I gain a LOT more out of not having my fake out/spore redirected, if I’m shitting out big dick damage I’m less concerned about hitting into the wrong slot (though it still helps).The biggest issue is that Skarm is running flying stab and its ability lets it ignore the effects of a move given exclusively to grass and bug types, which it wants to wallbreak regardless. With very few users of Follow Me in Champions, Stalwart is less useful overall.
>>59144091>No Safety GogglesVGC-bros... I thought... Game Freak balanced for us.... Smogon won...
>>59144849Fake out goes before follow me/rage powder. It can’t be redirected.
>>59144843Rework Early Bird to automatically zero/one turn wakeup, causing sleep to only affect a mon if it’s put to sleep by a faster mon in the same turn.I don’t want sleep to remain as it was to justify early bird any more than I want to kill item preview to justify frisk. Save the ability by reworking it instead.
>>59144385Just in the 2 mandatory fights I already saw extreme speed, hyper voice and mega horn.Who the funk put this list together?
>>59144861You know, anon, I knew that. I really did.
>>59144872From what I can tell, these lists result from people trying to build/import a mon that lost one of these moves and thinking it’s because the move was removed, not because the mon lost it.
>>59144852Good thing there's not a single pokemon that learns spore in the game >>59144729
>>59144874Then stop saying it’s about redirecting fake out
>>59144872Shitposters trying to doompost mixed with Smogon players who are literally unaware that movesets get changed between games
>>59144888Gamer pro tip; Vivillon with a focus sash and compound eyes is very very good for pissing people off!
>>59143868Berserk is genuinely good with Mega Drampa stats and it gaining access to Roost once again.
>>59144903At 160 sp.atk it doesn't really need that to 1hko 2hko stuff, it just wants better moves (which drizzle provides with hurricane, thunder, hydro/surf) to make use of that 160 sp.atk.It's considerably worse than drizzle which everyone expected, plus the design and pokedex entries and all the descriptions they've teased about it seemed to hint towards..
>>59144888Wait they fucking dexcut sus mushroom?
These megas are so bad Dragonite may have won in the end
They really decided to make everything terrible
Dire claw status proc was nerfed 50% > 30%Moonblast sp.atk drop was nerfed from 30% > 10%Iron head flinch got nerfed from 30% > 20%Anyone have the game to check dark pulse as well? I imagine the flinch on that got reduced too
>>59144943I don't argue Drizzle would be better, but Berserk is not bad. It has the bulk to pull it off and recovery
>>59145078
>>59145100I thought for sure it'd be nerfed too but guess not. Wonder what other secondary effects got changes
>>59144385They better fucking restore Celebrate when it's time for Z-moves.
>>59143955This is a Wolfey nerfDid they do anything against perish song?
>no 6vs6I don't even play this 5 more minutes mom mode, but that's so fucking retarded. Ok they want people to play VGC, good, but if you want singlets to play your damn game so that they eventually decide to try VGC, you have to lure them with singles in the first placeThose threads about Showdown doing nothing and still winning were right all along
>>59144629When that one thing is more than most other starters got in the entirely of the franchise’s existence, it counts as a shillmon
>>59145190It's not even a custom ruleset option for private lobbies which is questionable. Even though 3v3 is the online norm you could still do 6v6 in private lobbies or with friends in game before. They just straight up removed it here
>>59144385Literally everyone made entire videos about how Dragon Claw was a slashing move now in Champions
>>59145342Yeah, that's a crazy choice. I understand not having official 6v6 ladders but for private lobbies, what the fuck are you actually doing
>>59143955Salt Cure nerf is good, that move was ridiculous and it was on top of its only user having an ability that makes it a type that doesn't exist.
>m-mold breaker but worse is totally a good ability goysscarmkeks are coping hard lmao
>>59145796Skarms at least got a good ability to sweep with it's mega statsEmboar doesn't even have fucking swords dance to wallbreak like gatr can. It could've deleted dondozo with mold breaker if it could set up
>>59145830By ability I mean weak armor. I get it's mega ability does nothing, but +2 speed while you SD in normal means you can sweep with the 140 atk 110 speed in mega
>>59143868The game looking like a launch Switch 1 game is fucking hilarious also having a piss small Pokemon roster, they give zero fucks for this "Battle Simulation" game
>>59144091>eviolite gone>but redundant and never used focus band stayed>and fucking light orb, just light orb, fuck anybody else's species specific item.>no 1/3rd figy type berry, stuck with sitrus 1/4th heal>lum berry, but also all the single status berries separately>no custap, no salac, no liechi or pataya, no lansat, no rowap, no micle>choice scarf stays>choice band and specs are gone
>>59144155Protect should block one physical attack this turnDetect should block one special attack this turn
>>59143868>Turns gold>No Good As Gold
>>59146473Umm that's reserved for the ugly cheese man meme mon #1000
>>59144385>give Glimmora a mega that makes it finally good>remove its best STAB????????????
>Makes terrible abilities for everything>Gives Heatran Earth Eater>lmao buy the pass
>>59143868Mega Victreebel>Get Innards Out>People now have to defend Victreebel by saying “oh it gets Strength Sap tho”>Vileplume has nearly the same bulk with all the support options, so now an entire Mega is just outclassed by fucking Vileplume
>>59147036That's the thing with a lot of these megasThey just dont justify your mega slot. Like mega chimecho is good but are you really using your mega on a bronzong upgrade as opposed to a mega that can 1v1 box legendaries like salamence, gengar, metagross etc
>>59143868>STALWARTGoddamn did they think weak armor + swords dance would he too much or something?
>>59147036Vileplume doesn't hit nearly as hard wtf?
>>59144647I guess the nice thing is you can now run Flash fire, switch in to a fire move, and then mega and get the infiltrator while still benefitting from flash fire? But then nobody is going to sub in front of you at that point. So it makes Chandelure this strange counter to specifically strong fire pokemon and also sub setters. Yeah I really dont get this one either.
>>59143868>Imagine waiting 12 years for a megayou didn't need to write more than this. lol @megafags
>>59144221I bet RecycleRecycle is a move nobody has ever used with the intent of playing an honest gamePlus, Recycle Oran berry is obviously too strong
>>59146211>>lum berry, but also all the single status berries separatelyI mean people use Chesto for rest sets, since the Lum berry popping on a burn or something is bad. I have seen people similarly use Persim on Outrage/Petal Dance sets, for similar reasons. I'm not sure that one's a good idea, but I do get it. But uh. Yeah, the other ones, I don't think anyone has ever used. Item clause maybe? Which is only required because there's no fuckin items in this shit
>>59146473Its shiny isn't gold, so it can't always be Good As Gold.
>>59147189> I guess the nice thing is you can now run Flash fire, switch in to a fire move, and then mega and get the infiltrator while still benefitting from flash fire?Nope, that won’t work, if you lose flash fire you lose the boost. At least that’s how it worked back in Gen 6 with houndoom and I doubt they changed how bothers
>>59147186On more defensive spreads:0 SpA Vileplume Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 111-132 (32.5 - 38.7%) -- 98.6% chance to 3HKO0 SpA Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 88-105 (25.8 - 30.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO0 SpA Victreebel-Mega Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 133-157 (39 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO0 SpA Victreebel-Mega Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 105-124 (30.7 - 36.3%) -- 58.8% chance to 3HKOOn more offensive spreads with an item on Vileplume:252+ SpA Life Orb Vileplume Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 199-234 (58.3 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252+ SpA Life Orb Vileplume Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 156-185 (45.7 - 54.2%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO252+ SpA Victreebel-Mega Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 175-207 (51.3 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252+ SpA Victreebel-Mega Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 139-165 (40.7 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKOMega Victreebel only hits harder when you don’t factor in an offensive item. Additionally with a more defensive item, Vileplume has less of a gap between attacks than Victreebel does vs LO Vileplume.The fact that we’re even having this debate of whether a fucking Mega Evolution or a Gen 1 Pokemon that was considered shit even back then is really telling.
>needs a good ability to not just be a budget mega alakazam>gets trace, actually making it a budget mega alakazamanother banger by gamefreak
>>59147535I wonder if it didn't get psychic surge because there's no terrain abilities in the game yet Pretty cringe they gimped it for that
>>59147535And remember, they thought this thing was too good for basegame LZA that it had to be held back and put into DLC.
>>59144385Bro is getting mad at shit that isn't even real.
>>59145190I've been playing for more than 10 years at this point and I came to the conclusion that 6v6 is honestly bad. I preface by saying that I never got into VGC because it's objectively more difficult and autistic, with way less degrees of freedom in your play and insane knowledge needed. However, VGC games are succinct and the rules are clear, while 6v6 is horribly unbalanced and slow. I will probably stop playing altogether and will limit myself to watch some VGC and smogon, but if I could go back I'd like give a shot to the former
>>59147697>Horribly unbalanced and slowGen 9 killed recover PP for people like you and you still say this
>>59147495Wow that's even worse. How retarded.
>>59144888Just use one of the No Guard Pokemon alongside something fast with Sleep Powder/Hypnosis and you've won unless your opponent brought something with Misty or Electric Terrain.
>>59147844Wait for Darkrai to be legal.
>>59144729Yeah but I'm kind of autistic and retarded so can someone make a list that doesn't have all the shinies and different colored vavififilivons and furoforous listed next to each other? thanks
>>59144657What's the damage difference between Mega Gallade and Gallade doing a sharpness boosted version of the same move. I have to imagine regular Gallade is just outright better.
>>59147535Base form has prankster, you need to figure out something with that pre-Mega.
>>59147533Victreebel wasn't considered shit in Gen 1. It's been in and out of the top 15 Pokemon for decades. It can spread status, is specially bulky, and has Gen 1 Wrap which is basically Fake Out if it didn't have the turn 1 restriction. Razor Leaf is also very good in Gen 1 because it has boosted crit chance in a gen when speed also determines your crit chance.It's considered better than Venusaur and is considered the 2nd best Grass type in the game behind Eggy.
>>59147846>legal mythical in a VGC simulatorThat’s a never ever I’m afraid
>>59147853252 Atk Sharpness Gallade Sacred Sword vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy: 213-252 (62.4 - 73.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery252 Atk Gallade-Mega Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Manaphy: 234-276 (68.6 - 80.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recoveryMega Gallade still hits slightly harder with its Fighting STAB, but for everything else regular Gallade hits harder.
>>59143896Mega chandelure is text book overdesigned mess.
>>59147753funny you say that because I like playing every gen from 4-7
>>59143868they should make an eviolite that works with pokemon that can mega evolve bc these are ass
>>59147941>Megalite on all those pseudo-legendaries
>>59147941Wait hold the fuck on that’s actually a super sick idea>if a Pokemon that is not mega evolved holds its mega stone, it gets a 33% boost to all stats, but only once another pokemon on the team has mega evolvedYou want a multi-mega meta, there’s no better way to ensure it.
>>59147999Or maybe not, maybe just it’s most proficient stat, a la protosynthesis/quark drive
Someone said to me that some moves lost their priority. Bullshit? or did they change any?
>>59147846Literally never.
>>59144385Nice fanfic list
>>59144517Meganium is not a shillmon just because its a starter.
>>59147893Interesting, thank you.
>>59148055Meganiumfags are delusional
>>59148076>see you're delulu because you're happy that meganium got something after 25+ years of being treated like shitDelulu
>>59148076It’s just one guy
>>59147535>Check it's movepool changes>Lost literally EVERYTHING it gained from ZAwhat was the point
>>59148129Why would you ever use this over Alakazam now? What the fuck?
>>59147882>Victreebel wasn't considered shit in Gen 1Not shit. But Eggy was its superior in almost every way. Especially with typing since 4x bug weakness didn't mean anything in gen 1
>>59148149also being weak to psychic was a death sentence
>>59148129legends slop always give fanfic moveset to their mons that don’t stick.
>>59148129Pokemon Champions is just one big humiliation ritual.(but we're still making fun of Flygon, don't worry)
>>59144091I literally see NO reason why they decided to not add all items at the start of the game.You can argue no pre-evo, you can argue removing sht moves, but why not add all items??
>>59148129I love this cutemon as well :(
>>59143868All three of these are probably still better than Emboar and Feraligatr lmao
>>59144385Power Gem is in.and Aurorus is still gatekept from having it for some fuckass reason, but the game is a humiliation ritual so no big loss
>Lose all these support moves >Decides to learn self destruct and kills himselfUnderstandable response
>aurorusfag hasn’t killed himself yetGame launch brings worse news than ever thought possible
>>59148273Is the Aurorusfag in the room with us right now, schizo?I don't give a fuck about that Pokemon.
>>59148055Of course not, otherwise stuff like torterra samuorott or typhlosion would be shillmons. Meganiums it’s a shillmon because it got a mega and that mega is broken as fuck,
>>59148313Your posts reeks of false flagging to make people who like Meganium look bad.
>>59148129Z-A weren't actual moveset additions.
>>59148329>make people who like Meganium look bad.Like they need any help with that lol
>>59148334A few Pokemon actually kept their ZA moves.
>>59148269they removed PAIN SPLIT from cofagrigus???
>>59148329I95% percent of the posts on this Vietnamese spoonbending forum are false fags, shitposters, and pedophiles.That being said someone at game freak clearer worships meganium now. Where they were for 20 years who knows >>59148273Aurorusfag is a symptom, not a cause. I’d rather ILCA or Game Freak kill themselves 1 anon who happens to like sauropods a bit too much. If they spent more time balancing their shitty game instead of grooming kids, Aurorus would get a buff and Aurorusfag would shut up.
>>59148383>If they spent more time balancing their shitty gameFirst they'd have to fix the shitty game.And we all know that won't happen until the Switch 3 comes.
>seviper isn't inLawl, (((Shaunberg))) is going to 41% in Gehenna
>>59148334A couple kept them. Some were lost though, no nasty plot on garchomp anymore while froslass kept nasty plot for exampleI was really excited for parting shot rotom and mega sableye as well as mortal spin roserade...>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DeXjzohTUdKNERu6dsHsnznneva8MDJjglI3lqDLgm4/edit?gid=1877548319#gid=1877548319
>>59144729Is Mawile the only Mega from XY that isn’t in the game yet?
>>59148509Blaziken too. And mewtwo/latis but all legendaries aren't in
>>59148479>9 whole moves on Starmie>Everyone else gets a single moveGameFreak…
>>59148816Starmie needed physical moves to justify its ability.
>>59148829I’d prefer the Dragapult shtick of having terrible moves for its better attacking stat
>>59148866I'd prefer Dragapult get Shadow Claw.
>>59148829Half the Pokémon in this app need at least ten more buffs to be worth using, where are their buffs?
>>59148872She needs ghost darts
>>59148901They needed buffs, but Starmie would have just had Waterfall and Flip Turn to make use of if it didn't get any additional moves.Also it's a mega so it gets special treatment.
>>59148901Kojo would 41% if an Ice type Pokemon got a buff.
>>59148919The lass got some shmoves
>>59148919They got a buff in gen 9 with snow.
>>59148919Freeze got a nerf and xe's dilating right now.
>>59149219Adding Frostbite would make him 41%.
>>59147896Yes, just like real chandeliers
>>59148342This
>Mega Starmie has Huge PowerThat basically turns its 100 base ATK into 218 lol
>>59149531>It's based on something so it's well designed!!!!
>>59144121>The zamazenta/zacian ability treatment...this one's even funnier when Regieleki also got a slap on the wrist but Regidrago didn't. They just hate Zamazenta for some reason
>>59144163>Life Orb removedThey really want to hide how hard they fucked up with Toilet Gatr not only on its design but also its stats and ability don't they?
>>59150475Choice band and specs too. It would prove most of the new megas are frauds when their originals with band/specs do more damage Hell even in emboars case it is literally better than the mega even without any item lmao
>>59150475>>59150861If they were so worried about the new-megas being overshadowed by common item (so much so that they removed the items just to justify the megas existence) then why not just make the mega good? We know those pedophiles can make good megas since MegaSol and Stretch Starmie-strong are in the same batch.
>>59151500>then why not just make the mega good?We just don't knowSure before there was some flop megas too like audino, sceptile. but it's been over 10 years since then, and they've seen how meta the "good" megas like salamence, metagross etc wereso there's no justifiable defense to why the current megas 10 years later are worse than the old bad ones like sceptile, audino, ampharos, steelix, houndoom etc. at the very LEAST the new batch of megas should be mid-high tier to compete vs the meta ones from 10 years ago. there's doesn't even need to be powercreep, just matching their power level is enough. but no they're all completely filler for the most part...
All of these are so much better than toilet gator, prolapse darkrai and "IT'S A REFERENCE!" starmie.Megas are best when they're just a more weaponized version of the base mon.
>>59151533Megas used to be cool when they were enhancing the original Like gengar trapping, kanga letting its baby fire, salamence living the dream about flying by having normal>flying conversion, charizard becoming a dragon type, aerodactyle reverting to it's primal ways, sableye and mawile upgrading their greed, slowbro being consumed by it's shell more etc. they often got new abilities (even brand new exclusive abilities) to fit the themenow most the megas are larping as their pre-evos or other similiar gimmick memes. it's not even in flavor like slowbro is, there's no reason why clefable has a poop hat or pyroar gets a larger hairdo. that's just memes to meme. on top of that most of the new megas have their original abilities from before, despite their designs screaming something else like drizzle drampa and psychic surge meowstic. it makes these new megas feel so lazy and low effort
