OH NO NO NO NOAHAHAHAHAHA
>it's just glalie's gimmick of "suiciding your mega" but worseFucking lol
>>59144791If I looked like that, I'd want to die too.
>Xe was actually really strangling itself to death after all
>>59144791>it actually was an ACKmon this entire timeOH NO NO NO NO NO XISTERS
>>59144791>>59144795>basedjak and troon megas>their gimmick is killing themselvesHoly based
>>59144791>Tanky enough to survive 2 hits>Ability only works on current HP, NOT max HP >Meaning it would rather get one shot for maximum effectiveness It's a theme-atic ability but wow it's shit
this nigga is full of acid, they should have at least created a special version that badly poison the attacker, or give it -2 to all stats..
Told ya didn't i?
>SFMA megayou can tell they hated designing that thing that only exists because some 60 year old senior manager doesn’t recognize any Pokemon past Kanto
Champions is actually gonna have balance patches, and they've changed abilities. before. Maybe there's hope for this guy...
It's even worse when you remember Innards Out uses only the HP you lost when you faint, meaning it's largely worthless unless Victreebel gets OHKOd.Unironically Aftermath would have been better.
>>59144791So...Opponent will be forced to finesse around this fat fuck or literally trade their big hitter with it?Sound actually pretty based on paper? Opponent will not want to 1-2HKO it so they will be forced to fuck around. I'm not sure how good it will be in practice, but in theory this sounds at least fun.You can also switch it out immediately after Mega Evolution and play mind games with opponent.
They did the thing!
>>59145539depends on if they removed or nerfed it, but victreebel has strength sap in sv. no threat wants to ohko this thing. at lvl 50 base 80 with max hp investment is enough to trade ohko's with uninvested hp up to base 112. it has toxic, sleep powder, stun spore, swords dance, grassy glide, acid spray, encore, knock off and screens. and some more niche support moves like gastro acid and clear smog.innards out was a meme before because pyukumuku has base 55 hp. this thing can be a menace if left alone and its ability encourages that.
>>59145539Mega Victreebel’s own boosts to defenses actually hinder it.252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victreebel-Mega: 226-267 (75 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Great Tusk Headlong Rush vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Victreebel: 280-331 (93 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKOYou are much more likely to barely survive 1 hit than you are to die at full health. This means that on the next hit, Mega Victreebel will die and deal 20%.
They keep giving this fucking ability to Pokemon that can't be oneshot
>>59145632NTA but Strength Sap means it's going to be getting back some HO fairly quickly so it isn't all badIt's not good. Don't waste your mega slot in this. But it's not outright dysfunctional at least, woo hoo?
>>59145632the purpose is the mindgames it creates. it has so many support options you will never know what it's trying to do. at best you're 2hkoing it while it cripples something and potentially innards outs a sash away or ohkoing it and making a 1 to 1 trade. at worst you try to chip it and it sticks around paralyzing, sleeping or poisoning half your team. I can see this being a very niche but anti meta pick.
>>59145655It's definitively an interesting concept and something new? There's not a lot of Pokemon that force opponent to dance around them like that. I don't think that it's good enough, but it's at least something intriguing.
>Greed boost>Mega Victrebell does 364 damage to you in a revenge killsounds neat on paper.
>>59145703It'd be an amazing mon if it was just a regular mon but the problem is having to sacrifice an entire mega slot just to be anti-meta counterpick. As it is the only reason I see it ever being used is if you reeeaaally hate Megamence and just want say "we die together"
>>59145702You know what can do those “cripple support mind games” better?Fucking Vileplume. You get to hold an item while having nearly the same bulk, has pretty much the same moves any support Mega Victreebel could want, 2 significantly better abilities, and doesn’t take up a Mega slot.
>>59145778vileplume can't threaten to ACK your sweeper if they try to ohko it.
>>59145778Vileplume does not tell your opponent that killing it will be super awkward no matter what.Tby a tranny comparison is weirdly accurate for M-Victreebel. It's kind of useless, kind of annoying but you cannot really tell it to get the fuck out because it will call you bunch of names and eat you.
>>59144791Yes, very bad bro. But keep in mind that at full health, your Froslass and Charizard Y will kill themselves if you press Blizzard and Heat Wave in front of this thing.Keep also in mind that this thing has enough attack to put a hole in you, so you can't even spend many turns dancing around the shards.
ignoring the game mechanics it's kind of horrifying to think about, like this is some "cut off the alien's arm and its acid blood will burn you alive" type shityou fuck this thing up and a torrent of acid is going to dissolve you instantly
>>59144791>enters round 1, mega evolves, switches outnow you need to be afraid of using any move that could instantly kill it just in case it switches in.
>>59146260>any move that could instantly killThat’s the neat part: it’s too bulky to get one shot by anything. It will always survive it the red making its ability worthless.
>>59146298and then it cripples something or strength saps back to full.
>>59146298Would a defense lowering nature help at all?
>>59146462Natures aren't in Champions.
>>59146486yes they are.
>>59146298There's no such a thing as "doing minimal damage" to a Pokémon. Your moves are always meant to kill. Besides, if you invest in its HP, there's still plenty of HP to go around compared to whatever attacker your opponent has on the field.Your opponent will have a hard time chosing a move. So it's free to do what grass types love to do in doubles. Be an annoying shitmon.
>>59146260normally you expect your mega evolution slot to be spent on something that does more than just trade for a random enemy at absolute best
>>59145778i love vileplume but it's not doing what mega victreebel can>You get to hold an item while having nearly the same bulkeven if it was in champions, there's like two items it would actually want (sitrus berry and leftovers) and both are in pretty high demand>has pretty much the same moves any support Mega Victreebel could wanttough to say since it's not in champions but it definitely doesn't have encore, screens, knock off, gastro acid or clear smog>2 significantly better abilitiesvictreebel gets chlorophyll too and it's not going to be running gluttony if it's going mega, so you can delay your own mega evolution to spread status or something on a sun team if need beand it's not like vileplume can count on being good once it gets in because if the power level gets much higher than it is now it won't be good enough to compete, especially since it'd also have to be more worth using than venusaur anywaymega victreebel at least has its movepool to fall back on
>>59144791Vileplume bros...
no one would have said mega salamence was broken if it automatically died after killing something
>>59146663sovlfvl gen 1 eyes...
>>59146581no other mega does what victreebel does. I'm not going to say it's more deserving of a slot than others but dismissing it outright is a mistake.
>>59146653>screens>only learns reflectok so maybe not the full screens package but still
>>59146704yeah no other mega can match victreebel in terms of outright wasting the mega slot
>>59146738hey now don't take this away from audino
>>59146738it's just an ugly design it's not like victreebell is a bad choice for a mega
>>59146738it's bizarre you think it has to die to do anything at all.
>>59146738
>>59146761this is just shit stats, its a good design
>>59146780that would matter if it had anything to do with what we're talking about
>>59146793how is it a waste of a slot? it's a 3rd stage shitmon that's kind of liked. it's a perfect choice for getting a mega
>>59146809i feel like you haven't actually been reading this thread at all
>>59144791at least they understood what happens when a SFMA hits the field>b-but that's okay bulk-it gives up its item slot for these stats. It's SFMA
>>59146839 i don't like your tone
campaignshitters are doing that thing again where they’re only able to remember one mechanic at a time so they think victreebel magically can’t use its 125/135 offensive stats
>>59146848>M-MUH ITEM SLOTwhat item am I going to run instead
>>59146887Why, an Oran Berry of course!
>>59146809Anon stop day drinking and browsing 4chan
>>59146809A slot on a competitive team you retarded favelafaggot
>>59147010Well you still explained it to me so I win
>>59146780>its a good design it's just ampharos with a drag queen wig
>>59146878>slow frail mixed attackerayy lmao
>>59147024>it's just (pokemon) with unnecessary added bits on topyeah i'm thinking megas were a shit idea from a creatively dead franchise
>>59146581Good thing it has 125/135 offenses, strength sap, toxic, etc. so it can do a lot of this while it waits for you to find a,way to kill it slowly then
>>59145735It’s hilarious this is the ability because I’ve seen it twice, and both times hit it with a fire move down to like 1-5% hp and then killed it with assurance follow up and was distracted to see this message play, Lel, I can imagine the seething that must have caused.
>>59145702EeeehI see this thing having "All my friends are dead" syndrome. It sits there, being mildly annoying, but not really doing anything, while its teammates gets 2v1 assraped to death over and over again. And then its alone.
>>59145807This is some Mega Banette tier coping.At least Mega Banette was guaranteed to KO you with Destiny Bond, and could do things like Will-o-wisp, Taunt, and actually hit decently hard.With Mega Victreebel, you at best larp as fucking Vileplume and get a do nothing ability.
>>59146747Audino is at least a competent bulky wish passing fairy in the low tiers.
>>59146878125/135 on a grass/poison type.So like. What are you running? Power whip, sludge bomb, sleep powder, strength sap? Maybe sunnybeam weatherball? Does it even get weatherball in champions?Remember grass is ass. Rillaboom got access to Super Saiyan Extreme Speed with just shy of 100 base power, and it was fine because it was a Grass type.Meowscarada has gen 1 razor leaf, 110 base power, ignores damage reducing stat changes, and nobody cares. And poison is even worse.You also really really want to invest in HP, so are you investing in both offenses, or picking one? Which one? Which moves?
>vileplume gets a plant waifu>victreebel gets fat and hangs itselfkek
>>59147127Regular Audino has Wish + Regenerator and can hold lefties/boots. I think Mega Audino is genuinely the worst way to use your mega slot. Not only is it an exceedingly weak mega compared to others, but it struggles with the things Audino does decently, while not really doing anything Audino itself doesn't. Tera Fairy Audino is objectively better than Mega Audino
>>59146738Mega Abomasnow can.
>>59147105I remember when people memed on Glalie for exploding your mega. Somehow this manages to be even worse.
>>59147167Mega Abomasnow has some circumstantial value in ensuring your weather. It's not GOOD, but that is a niche, since normally Abomasnow loses to Torkoal, for example. Whereas Mega Audino does nothing.
>>59147167He was done so dirty>can't hold boots>stuck with shittiest typing ever>can't hold icy rock>so fucking slow when screen setters want speed instead>can't even hold light clayWhat the FUCK were they thinking?
>>59147105it's not because you have to waste your turn if banette isn't targeted. not the case with victreebel. banette also doesn't have the same support options. if victreebel didn't have strength sap I'd join in on the blind shitting on it. as it stands some metafag or youtuber is gonna have to make a video about it before you guys understand the cost benefit decisions it provokes just sitting there.
>>59145539>>59145702>>59146260>Salamence used False Swipe!
>>59147330Mega Victreebel also needs to Mega Evolve, so you need to use a turn up anyways. You can’t just directly switch into some sweeper and KO with Innards Out unless you Mega Evolved prior. And none of those support options matter since Victreebel is a sfma. Banette at least got Prankster.
>>59148675it's a W for it if the best answer you have is dedicating an entire move slot solely to counter a single pokémon's existence
>>59148781Round 1: Mega evolve, Strength Sap,Round 2: Switch outSimple as that.>but I OHKO it on the first roundthen it already did its part
i feel like a mega evolution should have a better use than just trading one for one?
