Now that the dust has settled, why did it flop?
pokemon is a garbage series and the fact it has it's own board on this site is a prank
>>59146250You're terminally retarded.
Greed.
It flopped because that balding freak on the left is the game's equivalent of Arona/Paimon
>>59146245No Stadium-esque single-player mode.
>>59146250>I'm stupid and I deserve to be beaten to deathyes, yes you are.
Because it's a cash grab, plain and simple
>>59146258...for being an adult who talks about pokemon
>>59146245Having a smaller Pokemon roster than Pokemon Stadium 2, cutting items and looking like fucking garbage on the Switch 2
>>59146256What's an Arona?And why do you think Tatora is emergency food?
That’s a man
>>59146265>cutting itemswhat's wrong with that
>>59146264no, for posting on the Pokemon board even though you don't like Pokemon, you really need to be a very special kind of idiot.
>>59146245>Grindy and p2w>90% of pokemon aren't in (even meta ones)>22 of the new mega pokemon aren't even in?????>Pre-evos aren't in (besides pikachu ofc)>Majority of held items aren't in (even meta ones)>30 fps and buggy slow menus even on the switch 2>"Play the way you want" (actually it's just VGC and 3v3 as the only options)>Early queues are mostly bots right now >No QoL when importing mons from home to know what moves are in the game or not >Majority of new megas (the few that are ACTUALLY IN) are really bad and killed a lot of the hypeFor a battle simulator it did absolutely nothing rightThe only good things were the nerfs to like moonblast, iron head, unseen fist, paralysis, sleep. but that's not even to do with the game itself that would've appeared in gen10 anyway
this shit doesn't even have paid stuff, only membership or shitty pass, I would unironically buy vps or something but there is fucking zero options
>>59146285>90% of pokemon aren't init's a gacha
>>59146288and before you tell me to kill myself, yes, I'm playing the game, and 20 or 50 euro is nothing for me
>>59146292even fucking worse
>>59146292That makes it even worse.
>>59146245This shit is not a gameit's a half assed indie tech demo
>>59146265Obviously I get there should have been more than what we got to start with but>smaller Pokemon roster than stadium 2I thought this comparison was a little weird considering Champions is only using fully evolved + Pikachu. Stadium 2 only has 137 fully evolved Pokemon.
They are bleeding money with this thing by not having separate purchasable Battle Facility packs. Like genuinely losing out on money.
>>59146245Despite being a game that literally only has to worry about reusing battle animations and model rigs that are over a decade old, it somehow has less Pokemon than PLA, a game that actually had to actively involve most of its roster in a way that they can exist as creatures in the overworld, each with specific behaviors.
>>59146256>is the game's equivalent of Arona/PaimonThis convinces me that someone at TPC wanted this project to fail miserably. No matter how incompetent a Japanese brand gets they generally understand that they can rely on cute or hot characters to sell their product. No sane person could look at that goblin and think it should be the mascot for a pokemon game
>>59146265>and looking like fucking garbage on the Switch 2Its never not gonna look garbage when its using SVs battle system as a base instead of building everything from scratch like stadium, colosseum, revolution did
>>59146281More items allows for more variety in the way you are able to play a Pokemon set. We've gone back 23 years and swapped out Choice Band for the most cancerous choice item.
For me it's the frumpy transgender character and the snowbunny farmer with a literal black bull tattoo, couldn't be any more on the nose how degenerate the makers of this game areNo wonder it's bad
>>59146245I don’t understand why they pushed launching at this time so hard. Clearly needed to bake longer. Games should not look this bad on switch 2.
>>59146297>>59146302okay but that's besides the point of the argument
>>59146518The argument is that the game should be good.And gacha slop is the opposite of good.
>gachaEw.
>>59146257How much work would that have been? I feel like it wouldn't have been that difficult to just have matches against the AI with set teams.
>>59146245I fear the game is addictive and fast
>>59146245ILCA strikes again!
>>59146250Trvth nvkeWhen the games haven't been good in over a decade it really doesn't feel like this board is necessary beyond containment purposes.
>>59146245Because people were expecting a fully fledged battle simulator that 1:1 represented competitive Scarlet and Violet on day 1 from a freemium gacha mobile game. And yes, it is gacha, the recruitment system is literally a gacha.I'm genuinely not sure what most people were thinking. It was exactly what I expected it to be. It's shit, yeah, I'm just not blindsided by that the way it seems like the entirety of the internet is.
>>59146546>pokemon>good gameslol
>>59146591I don't even get why people are complaining about the gacha so much when Home transfers exist.
>>59146592They used to be good.
>>59146245>Monetized out the ass>No 6v6 singles>Less pokemon than PS2>F2p is completely unviable>Discrepencies vs console version like fake out being unselectable after turn 1
>>59146292Okay, so it's a gacha first and being an enjoyable game is second priority at best. Got it!
>>59146611You forgot.>Turn order is random
>>59146617No, dumbass, they're going to add more Pokemon as time goes on. They're not going to just dump everything in on day one. How is it that you don't understand basic shit like this? Freemium game design has been a thing for damn near two decades and you still don't understand how it works? Are you retarded?
>>59146617>making money first and being a good game last so it's indistinguishable from first party gamefreak products
>>59146631Okay so it's a gacha game first, f2p game second, and being an enjoyable game is third priority at best. Got it!
>>59146627What??? What the fuck does speed do then? Are you raping me??
>>59146631I think everyone understands how freemium "works".That doesn't mean it's a good thing.
>>59146631You explaining how mobile cancer works doesn't excuse it.
>>59146591Is it not wrong to expect this? A bunch of nerds in their free time managed to make showdown in a few weeks time. TPC already had all the models and battle mechanics done. They just needed to make a shitty platform for it.
>>59146631>No dumbass, they're making it worse ON PURPOSEyou're right. It's stupid of me to think the highest grossing mutli-media franchise in the known universe should be able to make a competent game that can be made profitable without completely fucking ruining it
>>59146245>>59146445>>59146453They don't care if they make 0 or if the game flops for the global audienceThis side project already succeeded by allowing GF to shit on the combat mechanics of gen 10+ without annoying the VGC youtubers who give them free publicity
>>59146611>Monetized out the assthere's like 2 things you can buy and neither makes you win more often
Wait, you can't do 6 v 6's?
>>59146740so true having more resources to craft your team has no discernable advantages to the person who has to turn the game into a side job just to get enough freemium currency to catch up
>>59146257>>59146572Stadium was SP focused, this is MP focused.
>>59146691>No dumbass, they're making it worse ON PURPOSEunironically yesthey have to make the game less complicated out of the gate so the go onlies/noobs don't go into shock trying to figure out what to do once the game cuts you lose>>59146776>more resources to craft your teamyou can't buy those
>>59146256I have NO idea who EITHER of those two characters are...
>>59146577it's not lol
>>59146786Yes you can
>>59146751It's a VGC simulator first and foremost lol
>>59146245The idea was retarded from the get go, it's a patch for something that shouldn't be a problem on the first place.
>>59146751No. VGC or 3v3 ONLYThere's not even an option in custom matches for it. At least the games used to let you do 6v6 in customs..
Holy Kek TPCi is doing damage control, all the Poketubers are going full throttle to shill the game, they're worse than Joe
>>59146805>TPCi is doing damage controlthey're not>all the Poketubers are going full throttle to shill the gamehave any even made videos covering their actual thoughts on the game yetit's been out for less than 24 hours>Joeactively criticizing the game btw
>>59146591Why wouldn’t they expect that? other than the addition of micro transactions that’s how it was advertised: vgc with breeding bullshit removed
>>59146805not surprised
>>59146822When joe's criticizing a pokemon game you KNOW it's bad. That never happens, he's the biggest white knight
>>59146822A handful of VGC players have and I've seen zero baseding over it. Critiques are the obvious things.
>>59146254>>59146258Being an autistic manchild isnt charming
>>59146859Ironically, the people I’ve seen happiest are the smogon youtubers who are just fucking around with doubles. The VGC crowd is rioting or at the very least very disappointed
>>59146787are search engines rangebanned in your indian village for running too many phone scams? was i supposed to put a disclaimer in my post in case you read it?
>>59146970Then stop.
>>59146986Don't those audiences overlap?
smogon shut down by the end of the year
>>59147011Based
>>59146787Paimon is the emergency food mascot of Genshin Impact.No idea who or what Arona is. Probably a character from another gacha slop game.
>>59146245I'm having fun.
>>59146245What a shitshow of a game
>>59147005Kind of.VGC is big on showdown, it's #2 next to randbats. Most VGC use it for practice and there's been a lot of prominent singles content creators who have jumped into VGC fairly heavily.It was pretty notable when Pokeaim top cut a reg I tournament with Ho-Oh last year. Freezai just won Orlando regionals.There's also of doubles draft leagues that these guys are playing in.
>>59147033based zero standards porn addict
>>59147022Blue Archive.
>>59147011You know what I actually see this possibility now.>champions is SO UTTERLY FUCKING GARBAGE that people choose to just stay on showdown>nintendo has a melty and DMCAs the shit out of it in retaliation
>>59146245it's another dogshit transactionslop fomoslop gachaslop mobileslop garbagebut this one's from nintendo so nintards are going to keep it alive just like they've did with the other garbage like unite and tcg
>>59146245Meh, it's free so I'm not too up in arms over it. But playing this really puts into perspective the turn based combat is the weakest element in mainline pokemon.
>>59147065don't forget pocket where millions of pokecucks caused the game to break revenue records for PICTURES of cards on their PHONE!
>>59146475>everyone running life orb and choice items and assault vest on everything allows for more variety
>>59147055it's entirely within their rights to do this
>>59147043The game is genuinely fun in that early meta gacha game way... which is exactly what it is, duh.I got exactly what I expected since the announcement. My expectation were low but realistic and I got nothing more and nothing less. I'm just curious how often they gonna be introducing new content and how it will be obtainable. I expect either smaller additions once per 1-2 weeks or a larger, monthly batch.
>>59147071Definitely not, but it isn't balanced properly for the competitive to be appealing outside its current niche.
>>59147076Yeah, and now everyone's... running Pelipper + Archaludon, Mega Floette (pay2win), or Mega Hawlucha + OHKO spammer.So much better, ammirite?
>>59147071>it's freeIt's not
>>59147055They are 1,000% doing that. They also won't fix champions in that time either.
>>59147088Mega Floette isn't a mythical?
>>59147073yeah that's what i wanted to saypocket tcg, that shitty card game where retards are literally throwing money at pngsnot even character models like chinese gacha gamesthese are literal pngsnintards are cultists
>>59147122lol yeahi could go into pocket website download the setlist and be like>hey check out my pokemon card collection
>>59147120No silly, it’s just a Floette :D
>>59147073Never let poketards memory hole this shit I will never forget that period of time of the mobile tcg app popping off and people spamming pictures of their png pulls literally what the fuck was that
>>59147120apparently there is nothing mythical about a shitmon that was blasted with a laser powered by the souls of thousands of pokemon to achieve immortality
>>59147092Based
>>59147092They're speed running to kill competitive Pokemon for good lol
>>59147147But why? They get big profits off of VGCtards paying to compete at the physical events.
>>59147071after playing legends za, that is exactly my opinion on it as wellit's so sluggish and archaic, while za still maintains the strategical core of the franchise despite being an action gameunderneath, it still plays much like a turn based game, just that you are not interrupted by prompts on the screen every 2 seconds
>>59147091>literally got 20k VP and 8 mega stones and a team of 6 from the tutorialI have played worse games that leave you to scavenge for resources
>>59147149They really don’t and if you think they do, you’re retarded. At best they make a little with the souvenir shops, but VGC exists as marketing first and foremost.
>>59147161They really do. VGC is more than just the mainline games.
>>5914714950 gacha whales spending all their money on Champions is worth more than the whole of VGC.
in an objective win-lose analysis they should have shut down showdown years ago. why not? they went out of their way to c&d doujin artists in japan despite decades of indie comic culture. showdown was ignored entirely out of goodwill
>>59146631I would rather just pay once but meh. It's enjoyable so far and I haven't paid anything. We'll see how long that actually lasts.Keep in mind I have never played competitive before and I'm still low rank so I'm happy with whatever mons I get.
>>59147168How the fuck would they be spending when they could just import shits from Home? Make some sense in your doomshit
>>59147091>It's notIt is if you aren't a stupid whale.
>>59147155Za is legit ass. Begging you people to actually play a competitive game outside of this series.
>>59147177Subscriptions so they don't have to keep constantly shuffling their mons in and out of Champions and can just keep them stable in a series of boxes.
>>59147055that's exactly what's gonna happenwatch it play out exactly like this:>showdown implements features players want>it's completely free and doesn't force any purchases>champions numbers go down in a month or two>showdown gets more players and is praised>the kikes at jewtendo SEETHE and KVETCH uncontrollably and silently file a case, which is later found out by some obscure account translating a japcuck shithole news handle>every single nintard goycattle kikeslave subhuman faggot immediately defends jewtendo like it's their religious duty
>>59147177Whales ALWAYS pay. There's a reason Nintendo mobile games still follow the formula where you don't have to pay for anything. Whales will jump right to the most expensive bundle without reading anything and buy everything new when it comes out. Nintendo gets to keep its good public image and still make tons of money.
>>59147147Based if true
>>59147055Isn't showdown coming out with a massive graphical overall soon? Yeah, they're getting the boot.
>>59147177Rotation will eventually hit people who doesn't buy every game.
>>59147208Not officially.
>>59147183>$80 for a whole year is whalingA horse armor costed way more
>>59147225So you'll pay the $80 then?
>>59147225Horse armor was $5 and pretty sure it was free in the goty editionI was there, you weren’t even born
>it's p2winno it's not
Unitebros how are we feeling? Do we go back, did this game save us
>>59147254Yeah it's pay to play.
>it's pay to playno it's not
>>59146245i have a feeling that online battling will be removed from wind and waves, why would they release this and push it as the competitive format if the next game with have access to online battling?
>>59147277Format/gimmick/pokemon rotation.
>>59147264lol no what a retard
>>59147277maybe if gayfreak's shitty baby's first jrpg kusoge doesn't have to focus on esports slop it'll be slightly less shit
>>59147273>>59147295"Free-to-start" just means pay-to-play later on.Don't be dumb.
>>59147273you literally need a nintendo online subscription to even playso yes its pay to playtechnically it's also pay to win. because you need to pay for the subscription to play, and by playing you win/lose. you technically pay to win(and lose)
>>59147331not how it works doebeit
>pay to loseCan this company go any lower?
>>59147356Isn't that what most F2P games are anyway?
>>59147331It's just a google search away
Is anyone else getting constantly ejected due to connection loss? But then instantly able to rejoin the battle anyway after being returned to the title screen. Holy shit, it's a turn based game, give some leniency on connection. The main games never once did this, but this is kicking me to title screen literally every turn.
>>59147435Do you have NSO?
>>59147435Never had that issue during my playthrough. Must be your WiFi
>>59147444Yes>>59147453Potentially, my connection isn't perfect. Stopped playing fighting games for that reason. But again, it's a turn based game. Never had an issue with the main games because they didn't kick you if your connection dropped for a split second.
>>59147235I've had this happen a couple of times on a fiber connection. I also had another online game open on my PC the entire time with no disconnects and minimal latency, so I'm blaming it on ILCA/GF until proven otherwise.
>>59147609PC on Ethernet and switch on wifi?
>>59147635Both on wifi
why is palworld not legally allowed to profit from the general concept of pokemon but showdown is?
>>59146631Why can't it just be a competent regular video game developed by people who care?Everyone knows how shit live service games are and how they work, the question is why in the everliving fuck does this game have a live service model to begin with. I'd rather pay $5 for a sandwich instead of receiving a free sandwich full of cockroaches.
I just don't understand why they would let this hugely important game be developed by the people that made BDSP
>>59147644palworld hasn't been forbidden
>>59147668BDSP wasn’t bad. I’m tired of this false narrative
>>59147668>hugely importantIt's not. Literally a worse version of a sub mode of an actual game.
>>59147668Because they want to kill mainline competitive entirely and push people into becoming whales for GO, TCG and Unite, all of which are featured at VGC.There's nowhere near as much profit to make off of mainline whales compared to mobileshit and TCG whales, and they've realized this whole model is a tumor they don't want to upkeep anymore because the majority buyers of mainline Pokemon are casuals who don't want to do that shit, they just want to vibe with shiny hunting (hence LZA being the most shiny huntable game in existence) and take quirky pictures and clips of their player character and mons.
>>59147675BDSP wasn't bad.It was awful.
Left is wife
>>59146245>already blown out of the water by Sean Fucking Murray of all peopleL M A O
>I wish for a femboy in pink tights and open-toed shoes!the monkey's paw curls
>>59147813EWWWWWWWWWWWWW
>>59147813hole's a hole
>>59146996>>59146254>>59146258>one shekel has been deposited into each of your nintendo accounts!
>>59147891>>A jew fucked my asshole and now I have to relate everything to them.cringe
>>59147883I want Tatora's hole but nobody has made art yet (game's dead)
>>59146245Its been less than one day.
>>59148054pixiv started lewding her last week
>>59146245GF will fix it or VGC players will riot. They already said this is end game.But off the top of my head:- Missing items (why?)- Performance issues (30 FPS, cmon)- Move bugs (encore, haze)- Monetization that will keep getting worse (pocket and unite as examples)- Ugly characters (receptionist)
>>59148212GF won't fix shit, and veegeeceefaggots are too pussified to do anything about it
>Kick out ILCA>Replace them with the Pokopia teamWas that so hard?
>>59150007Pokopia team too busy making 20 Dynasty Warriors game for every franchise
>>59150054Based
>>59150054Cooking mama warriors would be a good spin off title.
