>first tournament>53% usageKneel before the king.
>>59156145Actually why did Gamefreak forget to give Decidueye Protean? Now they have to deal with Incineroar being the defacto face of Gen 7 instead of Ash's funny meme birb
>>59156145>mega dragonite will be shi-ACK!Why is /vp/ always wrong?
>>59156145I thought Floette was a gamebreaking threat? What's going on?
VGCucks will then proceed to make fun of OU for having Landorus at a wooping 30% userate
Well there's no fucking covert cloak or clear amulet, so a lot of counterplay to incin is removed.
They were having a laugh when they decided to put Incineroar and Arcanine in at the same time
>>59156145I have 30+ games which isn’t much in the grand scheme of things but regardless I haven’t seen this muscle cat once, what makes him good?
>>59156178Intimidate + Parting ShotAlso it's just strong enough that you can't just ignore it or your steel type will get Flare Blitz oneshotted
>>59156165You mean great Tusk, Landorous is washed af.
>>59156178You don't play doubles or are low rank if you haven't seen him.>fake out>immune to prankster>parting shotFlare blitz
>>59156178>intimidate>fake out>parting shot>decent enough bulk to take at least one hit>can have just enough offense to be a threat if left alone>due to doubles being faster, hazards aren't as viable as singles meaning he doesn't have to deal with rocks chipping away his healthBasically the stars aligned and he has all the tools to be perfect for VGC, he can slot in to just about any team and do a fine job.
>>59156165I've never seen people bring up usage rates in discourses like thatI personally dislike singles because I don't like the war of attrition it forces you to partake in
>>59156178Intimidate, Fake Out, and the best pivoting move in the game.
>>59156180>>59156187>>59156192>>59156210I had to look up parting shot, I can see how that combined with Intimidate can be crazy annoying.
makes me wonder if they buff him in gen 10 or try to make a counter for it
>>59156145>Lead with Milotic against Incineroar >Competitive boost from its Intimidate>Parting Shots into the Milotic most of the time>Proceed to stomp of their entire team from that point onwardsEmbrace the water snake anons.
>>59156155it is shit, its just one of like 4 megas in the game actually worth running (probably the worst of that bunch) and you get given a free dragonite when you first log in
>>59156230>try to make a counter for itthey did
>>59156150They gave it something novel and experimental by mistake. Honestly surprised Decid-H doesn't get it>>59156166Big Incin doesn't want you talking about this lil chud
>>59156150For the same reason why they put it up against a wrestler and an idol in the first place. Shitcidueye was simply destined to be a failed shillmon.
>loses Knock Off>in a meta with shit items and megas>loses U-turn>still has Parting Shot>loses Assault Vest>you removed offensive moves it would've used so now it can just freely use berries>and there's barely any of Gen 9's super strong bullshit present, just mediocre megas
>>59156150Be decidueye wasn’t made to be popular, it was made to be a flop to make baratigerofhealthymeta look better. That why it got replaced instead of getting a mega like game freak precious Kanto starters
>>59156145>Only 53% On no no no no no
>>59156150Slap Protean into what you want to shill became the norm precisely because they failed with Decidueye.After Greninja, they thought they knew how to make broken shill starters, but Decidueye proved that no, it was just luck.So they decided to just copy paste Greninja going forward, since it is fool proof.
Prostrate yourself before this superior being
I loaded up champions yesterday with the idea of having a team that can handle incineroar and collected my free wins bottom of the ladder wins from little timmy, so I'm content.
It's not like Decidueye would be any good even if it had Protean. It's not even that good an ability anymore.Decidueye's problem has always been that it's too damn slow. And then they went and made the Hisuian form even slower.
>>59156145>Incinememe on rain and sand teamsHow does he do it, bros?
>>59156340Totally wrong. Shitcidueye was blatantly designed for the Greninja audience, especially being attached to Rowlet, one of the most popular first stages, they were hoping for lightning to strike twice. Where they screwed up was making it even uglier and more repulsive than Greninja already was to the point where even the most bootlicking normalfags couldn't overlook it no matter how much it was shilled, and by making its counterparts a wrestler and an idol, two things the Japanese go crazy for, ensuring that they could never be shoved into the background like Delphox and Chesnaught were.
>Only halfUnc is lowkey washed :skull:
>>59156494Game freak has never given a shit what fans wanted, If they had intended decidueye to be a shilllmon they would have doubled down on shilling it when it flopped, they could have just given it an overpowered mega to get people to like it like they did with meganium,
>>59156484>intimidate procks mental herb>dark type to counter fake out starters>good movepool>immune to encore pranksterIt's just too unfair
>>59156145Pokenon Champions was a mistake
>>59156519They have kept shilling it, e.g. Pokken, the Hisuian form, making it the only Alola starter in Pokopia, etc. They also tried to force it into Smash but were cucked by Sakurai wanting a wrestling character instead.
>>59156494But Decidueye is popular. And it's demonstrated by how much it shows up in media these days, more than even Incineroar. Decidueye is clearly on the upper end of popular starters. It's just that Game Freak and TPC snubbed it back when gen 7 was relevant because they put all their eggs on the Incineroar basket. Primarina has it worse, it doesn't jack shit now or ever.It's kind of like how Chandelure is by far the most popular gen 5 Pokemon, but you wouldn't fucking know if you were around back then because it got zero shilling. GF and TPC thought people would like Zoroark, Emboar and the 3 monkeys better.
>>59156145GARchads we are back!
>>59156494No I think Decidueye was just Serperior levels of unplayable unfun to use. I remember Incineroar being HATED for having an ugly model that t-poses when it attacks. The anime and Stinky Bros salvaged Incineroar as a concept.
>>59156579It's hilarious that none of Gen 5's shillmons are popular. Starters, monkies, Muuna, the grey tail rat, Zoroark, every single legendary, all massive flops. Every time people gush about gen 5 having good designs (true) they bring up regular route Pokemon instead like Galvantula and Chandelure.
>>59156590Holy Kek what a Flop Shillmon
>>59156145I was fine with limiting the pokemon pool, but why the fuck is Incineror even in this pool? This was the perfect opportunity to just leave him outside for awhile at the very least. Losing knockoff is fucking nothing
>>59156705he's the vgc mascot
>>59156684>Starters,When the unova starters ever shilled outside of Oshawott (just Oshawott not the rest of the line), or Emboar just now getting a mega (that was cleared gimped to make meganiun’s look better).
>>59156713This was before Gen 6 went all in on making one big shill starter. Before then every starter was shilled a regular amount, everyone wanted to know what the newest starters were and obviously they'd all appear in marketing and in the anime. Being a starter means you are already getting shilled.
>>59156590>go to that store>immediatly feel intimidated
>>59156710And everybody who cares about vgc fucking hates him
>>59156722They're all blaze Incineroars which is why nobody wants them
If Incineroar weren't in Champions at launch, would Arcanine fill his role?
>>59156736Scrafty and Hitmontop are the closest comparisons
>>59156742Neither of them are in and that's a huge missed opportunity
>>59156145>none of the top 3 teams use Incineroarhttps://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69c6a52bd478313a15a33fd4/standings
>>59156766Lmao this game has so many cut mons
>>59156590Incinsisters......
>>59156767Did really so few people play ZA that nobody has the busted legendary Floette?
>>59156783That or they didn't get that far into ZA (can't blame them)
>>59156783Most people who beat ZA don't have Floette. You have to go through a hellish borefest grind to unlock it.
>>59156720> every starter was shilled a regular amourTyphlosion was locked to a special that was intentionally buried out of spite, I don’t remember Swampert getting to do doing anything, and Torterra was given a humiliation ritual
>>59156829Your swift swim mega swampert bro?
>>59156783the battle royale grind is hell and most of the people who did it were only doing it before mega-dimensions offered a different grind to work towards
>>59156792Playing through the infinite Royale 15 times sounds like a playground rumor.
>>59156829Anon are you incapable of reading?If it's cute/cool and gets toys and appears in preview magazines and the anime then it's shilled. You don't need Pure Power Torterra for it to count.
>>59156438>Decidueye>broken shillMasuda’s favorite Alola mon is Incineroar, and Ohmori’s is Primarina, which they’ve both stated openly. Decidueye was designed as SFMA, and even in the anime they made it as another Empoleon because everyone knew Rowlet would be more popular. Sakurai and OLM also preferred the cat. Decidueye failing wasn’t a mistake; it was by design.
>>59156145>Palafin lower than 8%And people used to tell me it was going to be pure terror incarnate lmao
>>59156145>normalfags finally learning why the funny wrestler cat got a spot in Smash
>>59156145>oh boy a limited pool of pokemon, maybe the meta will be diverse and interesting!>Incineroar and Sneaslerlol
>>59156684Volcarona is pretty popular isn't it?
>>59156885as a shillmon? not really
>>59156834That was Gen 6, in the Hoenn era when it debuted it was almost as neglected as the johto starters were
>>59156725Wolfe glick loves him
>>59156887I mean it's a super special one of a kind before breeding pokemon in both blwh and bl2wh2
>>59156684Only gen 5 shillmons are Hydreigon, Zoroark and Chandelure. Maybe Volcarona. Oshawott and Snivy are popular, sure, but they haven't gotten anything remotely comparable to other starters. They're pretty much like gen 4 starters in terms of treatment, which means perpetually neglected.
>>59156903Oshawott got a bus
>>59156145>top 10 are all physical attackers/support>meta made for THE KING
>>59156903>paradoxly replaced dragon>regionaly replaced fox>shillmonslmao good one bortimer
>>59156849That’s like saying feed a pet is spoiling it. Toys and showing up are the barest minimum a Pokemon should get.>pure power torterra would just be giving it the same treatment Lumiouse era Meganium got with Mega Sol
>>59156145B-BROS.....???? WHERE'S MEGANIUM???? WHY IS VENUSAUR THERE BUT NOT MEGANIUM????? ARE YOU TELLING ME...... MEGANIUM IS STILL BAD?????????
>>59156145>Meta based on a kalos gamethe strongest mons are from alola, hisui and kitakamiKalos has no identity
>>59156837It doesn't take that long to finish the post-story royale stuff though. A night circle in ZA is like 8 minutes and that's enough to complete 1-2 levels and to their corresponding rematches. You only need to do 15 of them total to get Floette.
>>59156145>even with mega forms the Johto starters are still shitit really is all a dice roll huh?
>>59156767>winning team uses fucking mega delphoxdamn
>>59156943It outspeeds Sneasler and one shots it with Psychic.
>>59156145m-megasisters…you told me mega evolution where stronger than regional forms/evolutions…
>>59156684Reminder they tried to shill Zoroark so bad they gave it its own flop movie.
>>59156145>alolan ninetails that lowIt really does get completely raped by megas setting weather after it.
>>59156725So it succeeded in being a heel.
>>59156736Arcanine has always been the defacto Inferioroar when he's not around.
>>59156941>johto starters Typhlosion has the excuse of not fucking get a mega for some reason. Not sure how Skibidigatr and MegaMega manage NOT to be raping the meta considering they got megas special snowflake new abilities. Emboar was even cucked to make those two look better
>>59156970Eh. Scrafty has more similarities overall and even moreso now with access to Parting Shot AND Fake Out.
>>59156961It's more that there is literally 0 reasons to use Ninetails on a Snow team when Mega Froslass also sets snow, moves fast as fuck, hits like a train, and there are also better aurora veil setters. You never need more than one weather setter, so Ninetails is just a really bad screen setters on Froslass teams
>>59156961Snow team without Articuno just doesn't have the punch.
>>59156999Arcanine has a fire typing like Incine and that's what's most important. Scrafty loses to the Fairy types Arcanine and Incine check
>>59156922You can get Meganium's stone by getting to level 27 of the battle pass.Most people prefer to not spend 2,000 VP to get something they will eventually get for free.
>>59156145>it will always be a dogshit design*yawn*
>>59156922>Poison isn't common bros don't worry->Gengar>Glimmora>Venusaur>Sneedler>Fire, Flying, and Ice are also everywhere>they are all faster than its SLOW ass and one-shot itAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>59157037Also the reason Floette isn't as dominant as people think it is. The moment a Sneasler is on the board it's shaking in fear
>>59156155you get it for free
>>59156155Most dragonites are not mega
>>59156922Sneasler is right there
>>59156159The vast majority of the pokemon above it are primarily support. Also need to beat ZA to actually obtain it so it's the least accessible Pokemon currently.
>>59156590This is why I'll never take a Pokemon being good competitively equals its a popular pokemon
GF/TCPI banked extremely hard on Incin being the mega popular shillmon for Gen 7 that they custom built it to be absolutely broken in VGC by giving it the perfect movepool for doubles and the best ability in the game.But it flopped spectacularly, polling worse than two forms of the owl even after VGC domination, a movie, the Poke Special manga, the anime and fucking Smash Bros. But GF couldn't just undo the monster they created, so now we're just stuck with Incin long after it got dropped by TCPI for being unlikable. So dropped in fact that Incin was one of the few starters that took until after the final SV DLC released to get its own raid while Deci was one of the first raid starter arrivals to Gen 9 after the big dawgs Zard, Greninja and Cinderace.Incin domination been going on for so long now though that TCPI has looped back around on it and is using it as promo material for VGC and Champions.This puts Incin in a weird spot, it's a shillmon that failed initially, but because they tried so hard to shill it and made it broken, it's been relevant in VGC for enough time for them to just start shilling it again, maybe because it's the only marketable Pokemon that's powerful in VGC, because no shot would they be doing this for something like Lando or Amoongus.It just goes to show that comp viability =/= popularity, but you don't need to be popular to be shilled.
>>59156165No, anon. People make fun of cuckon because there was a tome that Landorus had 70% usage and the council of troons told people that Landorus wouldn't get banned in spite of this
>>59157074Without loaded dice, dragonite is not really useful.
>>59156145>basculin but from legendslop is higher than all za megasexplain yourself compfags.
>>59157000It does help to have a second weather setter because it's so hotly contested.
so much for champions changing the meta by refusing to add 80% of the dex, right?
>>59157403me when I make shit up
>>59157475They were NEVER going to axe Incineroar, it's the non-legendary face of competitive Pokemon.
>>59157403Unlike VGC, it's Meta actually changes with different mons, even the big comp mons die down ...again unlike VGC
>>59157403Proof? Smogon saves their usage rates, so your claim should be easy to back up
>>59157403Lando never got to 70%. It got to like 40% and that was it's peak. It's been getting mogged by Great Tusk ever since Gen 9
>>59156155It is shitIt's just given to you for freeLiterally the charity case
>>59156178Intimidate + Fake Out is a great openerParting Shot lets it get out of the way, and do it againBulky enough to be difficult to oneshot, hits hard enough that you can't ignore itCan carry a few other support moves that its team might needIt's the ideal support lead.
>>59156215And, remember, Incineroar is slow.Being slow with a pivot move is actually good, because it helps ensure the pokemon that gets brought in comes in cleanly. Incineroar eats the hit, then whatever comes in is healthy
>>59157470last respects is good for you
>>59156145VGC is a joke lmfao
>>59157470Opportunity cost
>>59157470Basc is genuinely hard to deal with, especially late game when it just one shots everything that doesn't resist.
>>59156579>And it's demonstrated by how much it shows up in media these daysMostly because it's riding Rowlet's coattails, not because anyone likes that abomination of a final stage on its own. Why else do you think they went out of their way to have TrAsh's Rowlet swallow an Everstone in the anime? They knew that Decidushit had flopped as the "new Greninja" and there would be no Ash-Decidueye, but everyone still loved Rowlet. They still try to half-heartedly shill that shit sometimes but the damage has long since been done.
>>59157366>GF/TCPI banked extremely hard on Incin being the mega popular shillmon for Gen 7Why do people keep trying to perpetuate this lie? The big Shillmons of Alola were always Rowlet, Mimikyu and Carrot Dog>Explain Smash!Sakurai is a known Pro Wrestling fan as seen with Suplex Kirby and said in an interview that was why Roar got in over Decidueye.>Explain VGC!A pro wrestler makes for a great tag-team partner, that's just being flavorful. He's more of a support mon than a full attacker.>But he's not popular!To you maybe.>>59157708You forgot that they immediately tried to rework Deci in Arceus complete with one of the most busted signature moves in existence and still didn't change that Rowlet's doing the line's heavy lifting. It's literally Empoleon 2.0
What happens if the king is dead?
>>59157724He won’t. Only shit like ariados or the unova monkeys get dexcut, not mons that actually matter to vgc.
>>59157915>Only shit like ariados or the unova monkeys get dexcut,Yet they're in Champions.Curious.
>>59157915So why did they not only add Ariados to Champions, but also buff its signature move Toxic Thread?
>>59156145Is it true Milotic counters the cat? Whats the build?
Kujosisters…you told me stallwart was gonna be busted…the campaignshitters are gonna laugh at us again…
>>59157997haze to heal yourself all while removing stats changes
>>59157708I still don't understand all the Decidueye hate on a design standpoint, sure gameplay-wise it's a fucking slow frail mixed attacker with a dumb hidden ability, but I don't think it warrants schizoing out over it like it's some sort of deformed abominationAll GF had to do was give it extra speed instead of trying to keep the mixed attack gimmick
>>59158290It was introduced in an era where Americans were memeing hard about school shooters, so just like how Yungoos and Gumshoos had the misfortune of being compared to you-know-who, Decidueye had the misfortune of being compared to school shooters due to its hoodie, especially after its previous form was a snooty autist.
>>59158302Gumshoos being compared to Trump was funny, they tried to make it a detective but somehow it just looks like the president of another country.
>>59158290It's less the Pokemon itself and more the unwarranted smugness of the fanbase around it. Like once they got Pokken, that camp became insufferable.
>>59156178Most people will tell you it's intimidate + fake out, but that's not really true. Not fully, at least.Other mons have had intimidate and fake out, or intimidate and a pivot move, but there were nowhere near Incineroar's levelAt a fundamental level, what makes Incine good is that it's a bulky fire type with intimidate. The fire typing has a very elite defensive profile, so there's almost always a strong entry point for Incine to come in on, and intimidate gives it immediate value that can flip a bad board state in to a winning one. And because of it's special bulk, it's hard for all offensive Pokémon to actually remove an Incineroar from the Everything else, is just added on top of that bed rock. The Dark type means that Incine can aggressively pressure the many Ghost types and Psychic types that inhabit doubles metas. Fake Out raises the value floor of an average Incine pivot even higher. Parting Shot also allows Incine to continue to apply pressure and defensive value in ways U-turn wouldn't. But even without all of that, it's just incredibly good to be a bulky fire type. The rest just helps Incine to be the BEST bulky fire type in most situations
>>59158044Why haze when I can competitive.
>>59159033This, it's worth mentioning that Arcanine was a big VGC mon before Incin popped up and completely overshadowed it because there has always been a use for a fire type indimidate user.
>>59156590supply = demand
>>59159047Spam likely
>>59156590Holy Flop
>>59156195>protect>protect>protect>protect
>>59156145sooo every single PLZA mega so far flopped competitively?pray for Z-Chomp/Z-Lucario...
>>59156195>I don't like the war of attrition it forces you to partake inNonisssue if you play well especially with stronger wall breakers emerging from each new generation
>>59156145wait, something is wrong with thiswhere is Meganium..?
>>59159098Who? No really retards actually thought that thing was a shillmon
>>59159098Forever a Shitmon, not even a Mega could save it
>>59159098Meganiumsisters....
>built a team than can checkmate a mega Charizard team on turn 1Not sure if it can beat anything else tho
>>59156145>remove the two splashable items used to get around Intimidate and Fake Out>remove Terastalization, the gimmick that lets you avoid Fake Out>remove all but two the good Fake Out users>still only hits 53%F. See me after class.
>>59157403retard, smogon is made fun of because it's unofficial and a mostly unserious (badly) self-regulated mess
>>59156145>53%>In a meta that heavily favors its usage in almost every single category because absolutely none of its pokemon or item counters exist
>>59159186Is it scarf chomp and aero
