>Makes poketubers, shills and zoomers seethe to the point of tears>is still the highest rated pokemon game by fans no matter what survey you look atHow did they do it?
>>59156773This is a zoomer gameThe DS is a zoomer systemPoketubers love this gameAre you swinging at ghosts because one person didn't like something from it?
>>59156784>three liesThere’s a crusade against this game by zoomers every week lol.
>>59156784FPBP
>>59156786Let me guess, someone brought up the level curve, people agreed, and now you're shitting your pants to weave some absurd contrarian fantasy that there's a crusade against the most beloved Pokemon remake from the generation most likely to play it.Because you are desperate for shitposting.
>>59156786>shitting on gen 2 is the same as shitting on the gen 4 remakesDishonest faggot. Hgss made the embarrassment that was gen 2 good. The only thing it couldn't really salvage was the bad level curve and buffing Johto shitmons.
>>59156793>he doesn’t see the massive viral tweets every other day about how “HGSS worst Pokemon games”
>>59156786The DS being a zoomer system is an objectively true statement
>zoomie skidmark ignores game in question was FIRMLY aimed at zoomie retard children
>>59156773It makes people made to this day.They will NEVER experience another game with as much love and passion put into it ever again.The shills need the games to keep looking good. Their empire collapses when anyone mentions that Pokémon’s creative peak was 20 years ago.
>>59156786Do you think "zoomer" just means "person I don't like who I assume is younger than me"? HGSS was released during Gen Z. Zoomers were the ones who grew up with these games.t. 23 y/o zoomer whose first game was SoulSilver
>>59156784Millennials were 21 on average when it came out. Zoomers were 5 on average.Even the youngest millennial fans were old enough to play it and enjoy it, only the oldest zoomers were old enough.
>>59156809Every time I see one of these charts, the cutoff point for millennials seems to advance another year because of zoomers refusing to admit that they're zoomers.
>>59156773i need a poketuber to actually explain why the level curve is an issue because the difficulty spikes have never been a problem for me.
>>59156773it's in the title nigga, they put their heart and soul into it
>>59157026Ever browsed the internet on your phone?
>>59157031No, I have a pay as you go flip phone
>>59156932And you think 21 year olds were playing Pokemon long after the first Pokemania on the Nintendo DS, and not the audience Pokemon was aimed at the time (literal children)?
>>59157073Based on contemporaneous media from the time, roughly yeshttps://www.awkwardzombie.com/comic/the-pokemon-effect
>>59157073Surehttps://www.siliconera.com/pokemons-audience-growing-older/
>>59157073Have you not seen that fucking ancient ass meme about the intended vs actual audience of Pokemon and CoD? That shit was everywhere like 15 years ago, I'm surprised you haven't seen it before honestly.
It's a pointless argument when /vp/ still thinks zoomers are five year olds and not nearing 30
>>59156773>pokemon game centered around going outside >hated by ipad kids kek>>59157012I kinda like Johto's level curve. Idk if its just because I played it so much but being lower leveled than the elite 4 is a non issue if you know the type chart and use status and buffing moves.
>>59157888>>59157159Case in point
literally the only possible criticism autists can come up with is nitpicking about the level curve so that really says it all
>>59156773In what fucking world?DS games are universally loved
>>59157012>>59157888Genuinely, HGSS has the best level curve in the series for pretty much the entire game except for gyms 5-7, which are admittedly a bit pathetic. Team Rocket being pathetic around that point makes sense, they're a bunch of stragglers without a boss. In Gen 2 the Kanto gyms were pitifully underleveled, but HGSS fixed that to the point where while they aren't particularly challenging, they aren't complete pushovers either (by Pokemon standards). Lance and Red being such massive level jumps actually makes them real fights, the closest thing to a real challenge mainline Pokemon has ever had along with Cynthia. They encourage you to use real strategy instead of spamming your strongest attack. Other games just match the opponent's level to yours the whole game, which makes all the fights equally underwhelming. HGSS has more dynamic levels, which is a lot more interesting and fun if you ask me.Only reason you'd find this to be an issue is if you're really, really bad at the game.
>>59156773Easy: Johto was already a winning formula and they capitalized on it by doing the remakes justice. Cope, seethe, dial 8, idgaf.
>>59157073I'm 38. We all did.
>>59156954It's very simple:Zoomer starts with those who graduated high school in 2015. So late August or September 1996 onward. 1997 for 1) simplicity sake, 2) not actually knowing intimately firsthand that late 1996'ers are culturally and psychically more zoomie than millennial.
>>59158581This>>59158517This>>59158654And this.Facts don't care about your feelings, haters
>>59157073I was.
can we just admit at this point that 9 times out of 10 on this board "zoomer" is not referring to the actual zoomer generation but rather anyone who is underage it's retarded but that's literally what people mean like every single time on here
>>59157159Who says that? And just because the oldest tip of the zoomers will be 30 by year's end, does not mean the vast majority still aren't 20-somethings and mid-to-late teens.By September, everyone in their 20s will be a zoomer, without exception.
>>59156773
>>59158700Same with saying "boomer" when talking about millenials.
>>59158700No.The only time "zoomer" is going to be legitimately misused is when an even more ignorant Gen A'er is in fact on the other end of the insult. Everyone who abuses the term in the way you accuse gets called a clueless retard immediately by even fellow millennials.
>>59158711"Boomer" is a mid-to-late millennial meme that's been used since 2018 ya dip. It referred to older millennials who were, quote, "30-year old"'s.
>>59158710>doesn't include remakes>outright states that hgss edges it out when you include remakesJOHTOCHADS STAY WINNING
>>59158720How does that contradict my post?I don't give a fuck if it's a "meme" or not. It's still used incorrectly.
>>59157073Pokemon even now has tons of 30 and 40 year olds... do you think they took a break when they were 21 or something?
>>59158730You love to see it.
>>59158517it's always either this or "zomg like half the gen 2 pokemon are only available in postgame" (literally only 6/99, one of which is a legendary, two of which are part of the same evolution line, and two more of which are crossgens) or "zomg the johto gym leaders don't use enough gen 2 pokemon" (whoopty fucking doo)it's not like the game doesn't have a few genuine issues, albeit small ones (tm availability is pretty lacking, they don't tell you you can call trainers yourself to rematch them (not like you ever really have to, but it's still good to know) and voltorb flip kinda sucks plus they forgot to localize the guy who sells coins, but that last one is a problem with the localization rather than the game itself), no game is perfect after all, but these people didn't play the game so instead of talking about the few genuine problems the games have (which can pretty easily be overlooked anyway when playing the game) they talk about what their favorite poketuber said instead regardless of whether it's true or not or whether or not it even remotely affects enjoyment in practice.
>>59157012I replayed Silver recently, and the only big level jumps were the final two boss fights with Blue and Red. The only thing I did was hunt for a Lucky Egg off wild Chansey extremely late in the game prior to those battles. Up to that point I rotated regular non-legendary mons in an out of my team. I didn’t just keep my HoF team for all of Kanto. The game was obviously designed with the assumption that the player would go catch the legendaries and use them. You can get the three roaming legends prior to the fourth badge, the box legend Lugia/Ho-oh after the seventh badge, and the other box legend once you reach Pewter City in Kanto. RBY was also obviously designed under the assumption that the player would catch and use the three birds against the E4. Really I think it wasn’t until Gen 5 that the gym league quest+E4 difficulty became more detached from obtaining the legends since all of the BW legends were postgame or nearly postgame iirc.
>>59158900>the only big level jumps were the final two boss fights with Blue and RedIn which being underleveled is the point. You are supposed to be a lower level and still come out on top through your own strategy, which works because the opponents lack EVs and use a pretty simple AI.
>"I played Pokemon on the DS in my 20s during Gen IV." - anon on the Pokemon board on 4chanYeah you guys are definitely the common denominator
>>59158912FWIW I was playing Silver, not SS. Gen 2 is harder in a lot of ways since you’re dealing with the doodoo movepools with little to no STAB. There are only three non-trash mons that are obtainable in Kanto (Snorlax, Houndoom, and Aerodactyl from NPC trade). Larvitar isn’t obtainable in GS game corner.
>>59158950That's fair, although you do get badge boost in gen 2
>>59158517>>59158857>your criticism count because...uh...you said it too oftenyou didn't have an answer for the complaints when they were new either
>>59159057except we literally do, we addressed all three of those in this thread. read the post you're replying to
>>59159176>whoopty fucking dooi'm convinced. johto is god's gift to pokemon.
>>59158654The team rocket stuff can be tedious but I don't think I've ever seen anyone glaze the evil team base raids in any Pokemon game. >>59159188considering it cemented pokemon into a real franchise and not just a late 90s toy trend yeah it kinda is warts and all.
>>59159212>considering it cemented pokemon into a real franchise and not just a late 90s toy trendgen 2 did that. and i liked gen 2. it's HGSS i have issues with.
>>59159220Whats your issue?
>>59159244>oft-praised features like following pokemon and the pokeathalon did nothing for me>addition of more time-gated content repeatedly cockblocked me during early playthroughs>no badge boosts means levels are more important, but all the low level encounters make training new team members in the mid-late game a chore (this is the level curve people are always complaining about)>can't delete pokegear numbers, and no trainer rematches until after the radio tower. by that point i was ignoring calls entirely because it was all pointless bullshit>new safari zone is kinda dogshit
GSC has the better johtoHGSS has the better kanto
>>59158857Post-game Gen II Pokémon in GS>Pichu>Cleffa>Igglybuff (Japan only since Jigglypuff was added to Route 46 internationally)>Elekid>Blissey (if you don't get a Chansey through the Time Capsule)>Porygon2>Murkrow>Misdreavus>Sneasel>Slugma/Magcargo>Houndour/Houndoom>Larvitar/Pupitar/Tyranitar>Lugia (Gold only)>Ho-Oh (Silver only)Crystal has the Odd Egg (Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Elekid) and puts Sneasel in the Ice Path, though both Lugia and Ho-Oh are post-game. Celebi is a distribution in GS and the original event in Japan didn't require you to have beaten the League to obtain the GS Ball through the PCC to my knowledge, though the Virtual Console version of Crystal only unlocks it once you have.HGSS allows you to get a Slugma egg in Violet City and to find Murkrow, Misdreavus, and Larvitar in the Safari Zone pre-League. Pikachu (and by extension Pichu) is available pre-League through the Yellow Forest Pokéwalker course which was distributed day one. Clefairy (and by extension Cleffa) is in the Night Sky's Edge Pokéwalker course which was available as long as you had Jirachi (a National Pokédex Pokémon, but it was distributed and usable regardless). Chansey and Houndour/Houndoom are available in the Safari Zone post-game. Across all versions, only Houndour/Houndoom, Porygon2, and Blissey are always post-game. If you want to be even more technical about "not being Johto Pokémon", that only leaves Porygon2 since Porygon is only available through the Celadon Game Corner and the Upgrade is only found at Silph Co., but even then you can get away on a technicality by doing the trade evolution in Johto.Now a stationary encounter in Kanto of a Pokémon that can't be bred or evolved into would be a true non-Johto Pokémon, like Articuno.
>>59159188Well yeah, gym leaders using mostly gen 1 Pokemon just isn't a problem. It doesn't affect enjoyment in any way unless you're retarded.>>59159263>oft-praised features like following pokemon and the pokeathalon did nothing for meI mean fair, that's pretty explicitly a matter of taste.>addition of more time-gated content repeatedly cockblocked me during early playthroughsGSC/HGSS is the life sim Pokemon gen, that's like complaining that Animal Crossing is in real time. You're not meant to play it all in one sitting.>no badge boosts means levels are more important, but all the low level encounters make training new team members in the mid-late game a chore (this is the level curve people are always complaining about)If you're playing competently, you shouldn't need to grind, especially in the midgame (assuming you mean gyms 5-7, which are the easiest part of the game). If you absolutely have to, there's plenty of side content to play.>can't delete pokegear numbers, and no trainer rematches until after the radio tower. by that point i was ignoring calls entirely because it was all pointless bullshitWhy would you need to rematch trainers before that point? Also the dialog is fun.>new safari zone is kinda dogshitIt's quite possibly the best safari zone in the series bar none on account of not having a step counter, having a metric fuckton of new mons out the gate, and even more that you can get in postgame.>>59159266What makes GSC Johto better in your opinion? I think HGSS wins in both categories.>>59159915Sneasel and Suicune are also postgame if I am not mistaken, but both can technically be battled and caught in Johto.Also worth mentioning you can get Elekid in the main story in HGSS, as long as you have a Pokewalker. I believe you can also get Happiny early using an event-only Pokewalker course, but I wouldn't count that.
>>59156809>every gen 15-20 years>alpha only 10
>>59156809generation ranges are so fucking retarded. Someone born in 97 has barely anything in common with someone born in 2003, let alone fucking 2012
>>59156773Never played it since I wasn't big on Pokemon at the time.Probably will eventually. How's HG/SS vs the originals?
>>59160334This, microgenerational gaps are entirely more correct. I was born in '83, by the chart, I'm apparently millennial. In reality, I'm the son of a baby boomer, grew up with analogue media and unironically remember every piece of tech that the smartphone replaced on a office worker's desk and growing up alongside the explosion of the video game industry both as dollar-value worth and as power and capabilities of hardware offerings (It doesn't matter how bad /vp/ thinks Pokémon looks these days, it still looks FAR better than how it and every other video game I grew up playing looks and beyond a certain point, looks are pointless if the gameplay doesn't hold up). The vast majority of my so called generational band didn't share the early formative experiences I did.
The level curve thing I never understood because I do everything I can do before getting the current badge, so I always go to Olivine and Mahogany before beating Morty, and I always end up around the same level. I reach the Pokémon League around level 38-40. Considering the end of the game is Red and not Lance you always reach that part of the game at the same point you'd reach the league in any other game (45-50). That's why it doesn't really make sense to me. There's no way a person who plays GSC/HGSS drops it after Lance instead of doing the Kanto shit so why do they call it "postgame"?
>>59160311>GSC/HGSS is the life sim Pokemon genand it sucks. that's a bad idea and there's a reason they stopped doing it.>If you're playing competently, you shouldn't need to grindwhat if i want to train a new team member>Why would you need to rematch trainers before that point?to train new team members>It's quite possibly the best safari zone in the series bar none on account of not having a step counterit's more tedious time-gated bullshit. and whatever you catch from it is going to be way underleveled, so you'll need to train it up.
>>59160724>and it sucks. that's a bad idea and there's a reason they stopped doing it.Yeah, the same reason Pokemon fucking sucks now. It was too much work.>what if i want to train a new team memberthe level you need to get to is not significantly higher than the wild pokemon in the midgame. Get real dude.>it's more tedious time-gated bullshit. and whatever you catch from it is going to be way underleveled, so you'll need to train it up.There's like a few pokemon that are timegated, sure, but they're few and far between and they're all stuff you can get in DPPt or elsewhere in HGSS anyway. They're more a bonus than anything, especially considering just how much is NOT timegated. Also, the time it takes to get them also levels up the hell out of the wild encounters there, if you actually engaged with this content you'd probably know that.
>>59160772>the level you need to get to is not significantly higher than the wild pokemon in the midgame<>There's like a few pokemon that are timegatedany pokemon can be timegated if you don't start with their environment>and they're all stuff you can get in DPPt or elsewhere in HGSS anywaywhy the fuck would i bother with the safari zone if i can get the pokemon elsewhere?>Also, the time it takes to get them also levels up the hell out of the wild encounters therewaiting three in-game hours for a phone call so i can use the main gimmick of the safari zone does not make the pokemon levels higher
>>59160856>same level as the rocket grunts at that part of the gameretard
>>59160961the rocket grunts are also shitters
>>59158654>Lance and Red being such massive level jumps actually makes them real fights, the closest thing to a real challenge mainline Pokemon has ever had along with Cynthia. They encourage you to use real strategy instead of spamming your strongest attack.the amount of retards i see who think red is impossible because itd take way too much grinding to get up to level 88 to match him is unreal. they cant fathom that you can just fight him underlevelled if youre not mentally retarded
>>59156773What? This is the most zoomer and eceleb beloved game in the series.
>>59156773Why did this game suddenly fall out of favor in recent years? I feel like it was considered the best of the best up until lockdowns hit in 2020.
>>59161175Honestly I was tired of the internet rating it #1 back then only because it had following Pokemon
>>59157114>>59157132These started dropping around the time XY came out and the franchise went all in on KANTOOOOOOOO millennials dont care about pokemon if Pikachu and Charizard arent shoved in your face
>>59161175>Why did this game suddenly fall out of favor in recent years?Shills trying to rewrite history to make it seem like pokemon never fell off
>>59161175because of people like this >>59161194
>>59161175It always had criticisms, what really made them blow up is the fact that Johtofags started getting uppity and saying "NUH UH DOESN'T COUNT ZOOMER ZOOMER!!!" to every single complaint and making up some schizo conspiracy theory about how it was the youtubers trying to turn people against the game when nothing really changed. All they did was bring more attention to themselves and in turn exposed other people to the flaws that were already there which got people thinking more critically about the game.
>>59156773Massive flops lmao
Huh weird change they did in HGSS is turning Flash into a TM and Rock Smash into a HM.
>>59160311Suicune is post-game in HGSS but not in GSC. In GS, it can be obtained as soon as you reach Ecruteak and use Rock Smash to get into the Burned Tower's basement. In Crystal, it can be obtained after the Radio Tower since you're given the Clear Bell in place of the Rainbow Wing (Gold/HG) or Silver Wing (Silver/SS), but this also pushes Ho-Oh and Lugia to the post-game.I assume there's no progress requirement beyond having access to the PCC to get the Odd Egg, which can give access to Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, and Elekid early (Jynx and Magmar can already be found in the Ice Path and Burned Tower respectively, and bred to get Smoochum and Magby). You're right about Elekid being in a regular pre-League Pokéwalker course. Event courses for Pokémon like Cleffa and Happiny are weird, because even though they contain National Pokédex Pokémon, I've never heard anything about them not being accessible until you get the National Pokédex. It feels fair to count Yellow Forest since that was a day one distribution and the only progress requirement was having Mystery Gift unlocked upon getting the Pokédex, but I don't know about stuff like Night Sky's Edge. I typically use Japan as a frame of reference for how things were intended to go, but the Draco Meteor Jirachi that was distributed to Gen IV through Wi-Fi wasn't in Japan when HGSS was out, so they only got it for DPPt, which means it had to be traded over to HGSS to unlock the course.At any rate, there are legitimate, non-cheating, non-trading methods across all Johto games to obtain all Gen II Pokémon within Johto (though some are still post-game).
>>59160500>Visually updated to fit Sugimori's later art style and obvious major graphical enhancements>You can play as a girl, but it's different to the one introduced in Crystal>The protagonist of the opposite gender will be your childhood friend>Game Corner has been removed in international versions and replaced with a minigame called Voltorb Flip that functions similarly to Minesweeper>493 Pokémon with forms and gender differences (compared to 251), introduces event Spiky-Eared Pichu which only ever appeared in it>All Pokémon capable of following you like Pikachu in Yellow, will return to their Poké Ball in certain areas or tight spaces for large Pokémon>Many areas that had been downscaled or removed due to space limitations (ie. Viridian Forest, Seafoam Islands, Cerulean Cave) now restored>You can obtain fossils and Gen I Legendaries (Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres/Mewtwo) and choose a Kanto starter at the end of the game>The PokéGear which lets you talk with Trainers and have rematches, find swarms of Rare Pokémon, receive gifts, etc. now allows you to hold more than 20 people, you don't have to pick and choose, and you can schedule rematches yourself based on times when each Trainer is available>This also allows for higher level rematches against all 16 Gym Leaders post-game>You can play regional music on the PokéGear which lets you find Pokémon from Hoenn and Sinnoh>Many of Crystal's additions are accounted for either through being standardized in the years since (sprite animations, female protagonist option, online battling/trading, a Battle Tower, move tutors) to being given similar spiritual successors (Global Terminal being in Goldenrod to represent the PCC, Pokéathlon minigames in Goldenrod making up for GB Adapter minigames, Battle Frontier being next to Olivine, an event involving Celebi in Ilex Forest, an updated Suicune subquest with Eusine, Buena but with different rewards, etc.)>Included Pokéwalker being a supercharged Pocket Pikachu 2
>>59160500>>59161596>More story content overall, though sometimes to the detriment of making the game more wordy and linear. You have no choice but to go and encounter the box legendary at a specific point when it was totally optional in the beginning, this happens for a number of things and side elements are now required as story material>Pokémon League has higher level rematches>You can get Legendaries and starters from other regions>There are two new routes in Johto which lead to a brand new Safari Zone which GSC lacked>You can listen to GB music recreated on the DS (sounds slightly different) once you get the GB Sounds at the end of the game>New event content>Certain Crystal content isn't carried over like the GS Ball event, the Odd Egg, Pokémon distribution like Sneasel early in Ice Path, etc. other stuff like the Extreme Speed Dratini is>Mt. Silver is totally remade, the Red battle is harder>Retains most gameplay engine additions from games released since like Natures, Abilities, new moves, new items, EVs, IVs, etc., though there are no contests from Hoenn/Sinnoh (the stats still exist but are hidden)>No Time Capsule to transfer Gen III Pokémon forward, but it does have Pal Park post-game which serves the same purpose but in a different formatCrystal feels like a modified GS with some rebalancing and changes and improvements, it's still the same overall gameHGSS feel like new Gen IV games made using Gen II as a reference, it's a remake but so much was done that you can legitimately treat them as different games to the originals rather than pure replacements.
>>59159263You whiny little limp-wristed, wagecucking, impotent, talentless fucking faggots will NEVER be happy with ANYTHING. Just shut the fuck up, find a rope, a rickety stool, and a high rafter and do the right thing. You could NEVER produce ANYTHING as beloved as a single GF game. You're spoiled, fat, worthless, decadent retards and you should all be shot and dumped into an unmarked mass grave.
>>59160984so you don't need to grind to defeat them, and thus you can just add new team members to your team out the gate. glad we agree
>glad we agree
