Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.SWITCH 2 UPDATE: Launch the game in handheld mode to get the performance boost (can still play docked after). Still 30FPS, however.>NewsSmall bug fix patch: https://news.pokemon-home.com/ja/page/758.htmlWarm Up Challenge online competition live, runs through the weekend and gives free GardevoirFree Machamp mystery gift code: CHAMP10NSeason 1 runs until May 13Mobile release possibly leaked for June>Linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/https://x.com/Pokemon_Champs (EN) https://x.com/Poke_Champ_jp (JP)Pokémon data: https://serebii.net/pokedex-champions/Available mons: https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/pokemon.shtmlMega abilities: https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/megaabilities.shtmlQuick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 quick coupons, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.Previous: >>59156928
I'm already bored of this Meta
Can this be emulated?
Help me out anonsIm a shiny fag, so I like premier ball fitsWhich looks best?
>>59159541The white and red one
Doubles tier list from the 2023 world champ
Just tried out Casual Doubles for the first time>non-Intimidate Incineroar>Double-Edge/Superpower/Gunk Shot Snorlax>Quick Claw Farigiraf with TR/Psychic/Twin Beam/Mirror Coat>M-Gengar for some reasonわらりや, if you're out there, I salute you
>>59159550was more than likely an NPC
>>59159541This feels both American and Russian at the same time.
>thought I fucked up in a battle>forfeit>the rest of the turn plays out>opponent fucked up>I was gonna win>you can’t cancel your forfeitsfuuuuuuuuuck
>>59159545>>59159547
>my Your Time hits zero right before selecting my move>turn happens anyway>next turn I haven't auto-lost yet for some reason>lock in everything in two seconds, turn happens>he forfeits before the next turn and I winExplain
>>59159555Quitters never win and winners never quit.
If I was taller and more confident I absolutely would have been the guy who bullied (You) in high school.I use mega Gengar to abuse shadow tag btw
>>59159354thank you very much, you're a real one for coming thru -deezy
>>59159561Your aura was too much I’m afraid
>made a team from the ground up to counter charizard team. >don't know what mon 6 should be>chuck in rotom-wash and hope for the best>get matched vs 0 charizard teams and win all my practice games anyway so i don't know what to fix or if the core idea is any good or even works>scared that now im just going to lose to players that are better and outskill me due to the increase in mmr how 2 learn how 2 judge teams plz
>>59159568Imagining this turns me on
>>59159538>diggersbyThe fuck?
>>59159554Limited options, please understand
>>59159538Doubt it since it's online but I'd imagine you'd be able to once the mobile version comes out if it's anything like Unite
Do you lose rating if you lose?
>spent 2 hours playing rankedNgl I might hesitate to install it when it goes mobile. I might stop being productive if I did
>>59159601Yes Master Ball tier has an elo system
>>59159566Good point, I was originally using that but felt icy wind isn't enough to kill garchomp and wanted to change things upProbably going with scald/icy wind/ice beam/protect then
How does this game register a double KO? Say, I used Flare Blitz to OHKO and it died from the recoil
mega manectric + gyarados has been an insane singles core for me.
>>59159603Is it only when you get that far in the tiers? Like for example if I make it to Ultraball and go on a losing streak, it won’t send me back to Greatball? Just wanna know what I’m in for if I go on that grind.
Huh? I remember there being a Mega Clefable in XY and it didn't look anything like this...
>>59159548>Meganium and Feraligatr STILL btfo despite getting mega meme formslollmao
>>59159617There isn't. You probably got confused with Audino
>>59159617idk if you're joking. if not, you're likely thinking of Mega Audino
My team is crafted for total mega charizard y death
For me, it's Snow.The thinking man's weather.
I don't use weather or speed control at all
I need my boy cinccino in the game
>>59159523>vgc pros saying mega glimmora is T1 right below T0 >so technically super good viable pick>no one making team comps around it VGCGODS GIVE ME A TEAM COMP WITH IT NOW. I'M A CLUELESS NYAGGER BUT IT LOOKS SUPER COOL IN MEGA.
When it comes to team building, should you be building around a concept of a core? What even is a core? How does that differ for singles and doubles?
I don't know why some would diss on this game graphic. Some moves are just hilarious
>>59159527Vgc moment
These japanese teams hit 2100 on ranked
>>59159662>every single one has fagchomp
I was planning on playing mono-Ground when Champions comes to mobile but... holy cow is this a bad selection. There are only two available monsters with a neutrality to Water - Garchomp and Torterra - and both are 4x weak to the common coverage of ice.There are five Water/Ground types and four Water-immune Ground types to choose from and they didn't include ANY. Support options are really limited for this monotype in the BEST of times but Runerigus is the only one really available. Some of the others can run double duty but they're definitely not built for it.
Is Mega Scovillain too low bulk to be worth it? Is it just a glass cannon or are you meant to stay out a bit longer with the burns it dishes out? I want to give it rage powder in doubles.
>>59159664>he didn't name the other even more blatant one, bara cat
>>59159633you still can't stop the zard
>>59159667I hear max HP max Def works really well.
Climbing up great baller rank and doing decent with confagirus (trick room, shadow ball, destiny bond, body slam), how long will this last? Im actually dunking on certain openers like that skyscraper mon and even garchomp. I almost one shot the samurai with body press too. Should I up DEF more so body press OHKO's?
Would they put the limited Z-A stones in shop in the future or it's gonna be some Z-A exclusives?
>>59159662phox floette is so good
>>59159683run the calcs. if you can guarantee some kills with more defense it might be worth it
>>59159683probably longer than me trying to make psychic types work with everyone running incineroar, greninja, gay magic cat, gengar and teching sucker punch on at least one mon on the team
>>59159662i wish there were these for singles but its so much harder to climb there
>>59159696Explain
i wish normal typhlosion had a mega or at least was good
>>59159610In that scenario, since your attack killed him, you win
>>59159710The mouse redirects stuff like sucker punch, i forget if that's the encore phox or sub one, but it handles a lot of the stuff that floette struggles with. The aero has dual wingbeat and can outspeed/kill sneasler. I can find the english pic of the team in a little
>>59159662I don't care how good they are I am not using garchomp or incineroar I will hover at low ultra ball tier and constantly waste VP trying to make my shitmons climb
Is Umbreon useable
>>59159718>>59159710here it is
>>59159650Because that's just a bunch of vfx, Pokemon still stand stock still and use the same animations from base game, there's only one stadium, the game runs at 30 FPS, there's no announcer, etc. Put this game next to PBR and you'll see Pokemon's visuals somehow regressed since 2006.
>limited free home and champions space>want to have every relevant mon and possibly copies for both singles and doubles teamsNow I see why the membership shit exists
>>59159696Here's also the FloePhox team from >>59159548 featuring Encore Delphox, it's one of the strongest duos right now
>>59159642pick a support mon that partners well with m glimmora. Think of your speed control strategy and add a mon for it if you havent already. Chuck in VGC cat if you havent already. Then think of what your mons will be weak to and find an alternative strong carry mon that counters that. Fill the remaining slots with more mons that cover weaknesses or synergize with what mons you have already.
>>59159734I wouldn't have minded it as much if it was a 5 dollar game you keep and not a service you have to pay every year. I blame microsoft.
Do I build the hungry hippo as a physical or special wall?
>>59159734It take 5 minutes to place them in game from a main game box and you have around 40 or more slots just by hitting ultra, i have base home and no membership with zero issues with pokemon space, consider dealing with your hoarding problem.
>>59159738This may all be jargon to me bro... What speed control...So M. Glimm + Incin + ____
>>59159746speed control like unburden sneasler (doubles speed when it uses its item up), icy wind (lowers both enemy's speed), tailwind (doubles your speed), chlorophyll (doubles speed in sun). Sometimes moving first when you're normally slower is enough to win
>Turn 1:>Aggron and Whimsicott on my side>Mr. Rime and Rotom Freezer on the other>I lock in Mega Aggron Iron Defense and Tailwind>They Blizzard my Whimsicott>They get to learn it has a sash>Their Mr. Rime does Trick Room>Turn 2:>Body Press their Rotom>Encore their Mr. Rime>He goes first>Dimensions are now normal again>My Aggron goes next>Flattens Rotom dead>Avalugg comes out next>Turn 3:>Body Press on Avalugg, obviously>Taunt Mr. Rime>Bring Avalugg down to 23%>Their Avalugg Body Presses my Aggron>Does maybe 1/8th damage>He forfeitsHoly fuck I love my Aggron and Whimsicott. I know I benefited from the other player leaving Mr. Rime on the field but I was laughing the whole time.
>>59159751>Their Mr. Rime does Trick Room>>Turn 2:>>Encore their Mr. Rime>>He goes first>>Dimensions are now normal again
>>59159616You can derank in tiers, but it's pretty hard to go on a massive losing streak
>>59159746are you running trickroom or tailwind you dumb faggot
>>59159757>>59159751Encoring trick room tards with Whimsicott is peak shit
>>59159707I'm sure there are JPfags posting their 3v3 teams, but they're just harder to find because on one in the west is sharing them
Homebrewing my 3DS to finally get off my ass and bring all my mons from gen 5 up to Home
>>59159616they send in the bots if you lose too many games
>>59159763Why would you need to homebrew that? I think the biggest obstacle is getting gen 3-4 up to the 3ds since there's time limits for no reason.
>>59159742You can probably get away with making them a wall in general, sand will already boost sp def which should free up points for the other stats if you’re looking to be optimal.
>>59159768Bank and transporter aren't available on the eshop anymore
>>59159746speed control is like what he said here >>59159746and also things like trick room or t-wavespeaking of which im so happy t-wave is mostly speed control now and less hax. strange to say the game is moving in the right direction
>>59159768I'm guessing he didn't have Bank installed
How do I git gud?t.only ever played randbats for a month or two with a peak of 1800 something elo
>>59159763how would you go about sending them from the 3ds without risking a ban? i've had my 3ds homebrewed for a while now
>>59159771>>59159773oh rip
>>59159750>>59159759>>59159772Glimmora seems to have mediocre speed, so uhh tailwind it is.
>>59159780I'm under the assumption that since bank still works it'll just work
jim malding about how fruity the poses and clothes are and trying his best not to say it makes him look super gay
How do you get badges? I just played against a guy with three
>>59159775Pick a team and learn it inside and out. Memorize the speed tiers.
>>59159785>when he got to the dress outfits on the guy and could only muster a "Hm"it's been pretty funny listening to shit on random stuff like this and perish trap all night kek
>>59159790Achievements. Win 10 games with Steel Type, etc.
>you want to know what moves to add? Press Y and you can see the moves and their use rate. You also don't need to scroll the whole list to find the moves>not sure how to put EV? Press Y to pull out the EV spread and their use rate>ability or nature? Press Y>also press Y on the move set to arrange themThis game sure has a lot for new players if they can navigate it
>shitcat stays in on starmie>oneshot the cat with liquidation holy shit I love this thingstill has enough sp atk to 2hko bulky waters with tbolt too
>>59159801He unironically won that perish game. He's too used to showdown keeping track of stuff he doesn't notice when there's no one left on the other side :(
>>59159801>pause for a second on the string tank top then scroll away silentlyI lol'd
>>59159816Don't underestimate the mega star. She was able to OHKO my Dnite even through Multiscale
>>59159714Damn, I should have used Flare Blitz back then. Thanks for the info
>>59159837It feels like it could be a do everything mon, my only concern is when they let unrestricted Legendaries back through the gate if it’ll stay viable.
>>59159837>252 Atk Huge Power Starmie-Mega Ice Spinner vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite-Mega: 172-204 (103.6 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKOhot damn
How do I make the grind for Floette less mind-numbing
>>59159740Is the starter pack thing permanent?
>>59159859drugsother entertainment in the backgroundidk lol
>>59159862yeah, also anyone who's bought it do you get 30 + 50, or is it just 50 total box slots
>>59159862yes, i think they mean the home sub
Anyone else get a recruited Pokemon with a title? I got a drowsy Primarina earlier
>>59159523whats the singles tier list looking like?
Just hit Master Ball in doubles and am so mentally exhausted from tryharding. Now I can finally build a singles team and chill in the less stressful format.
>>59159869+50, so 80 total before rank up rewards
>>59159881Garchomp is the designated ground type glue mon on every team. Other than that the format feels pretty diverse right now. Primarina and Charzard Y are also very good
>>59159869+50 to however many slots you currently have. I grabbed it this morning after I realized how much I enjoyed having all the accoutrements of an official release on my autism battling sim.
>>59159869It's 30+50. You get 80 in total forever, plus 5 for whenever you rank up from Poke-Great-Ultra-Master.
singles should be removed from the game
>>59159893this, add trio battles
>>59159895No, add Battle Royal
>oh this must be a bot>forfeits
>game won't let me buy more quick coupons or VP, even if I want toThanks for thinking of me
>>59159895And add rotation battles
We really need a save replay feature
>>59159902If you want to spend money why not just buy the actual pokemon games to transfer whatever you want in?
>coach mega starmie>winit's as shrimple as that
>forfeiting gets you 0 VPWhy am I being punished for respecting everyone's time?
>>59159780the issue is that you're still paying for home if you're a cheapskate, but, the 3ds generally cannot tell if it's homebrewed or not, the Switch got a massive crackdown on stuff like that ever since.so you can just inject whatever you want, grab the bank CIA from any hosting site, and as long as your mons are legal enough for bank they can go all the way to homeof course, to be real with you i dunno why you would do this over just getting NSO and a tradebot if you have any of the switch games but if you don't or if there's a mark only available to a 3ds game then i can understand
>>59159916Doesn’t Champions make a copy of the Pokemon for the game and leaves the “real” one in Home? I remember seeing that somewhere, but too lazy to double check since I haven’t transferred anyone.
>>59159905it's so retarded we don't have that
>>59159921yeah, but it takes up a whole spot in home still and you can't move it to any game
>>59159913It's weird how uncommon Stalwart is, but I guess redirection and Lightningrod aren't that common atm
>>59159921essentially yeah, so that home box is still filled, it's merely "visiting"
>>59159907Or install Go and touch grass lmao
Would anyone with Z-A mind helping me evolve my Scyther so I can Home it to Champions?
>>59159916I've been playing without relying Home. Still can gather up decent teams since you get to choose one of out 10 pokemon on daily basis
>>59159934Sure, give me a code and and a minute to boot the game and go online.
>>59159893kek 3v3 singles is a holdover from the N64 Pokemon Stadium days before good setup moves like Dragon Dance and Calm Mind existed, so you couldn’t just steamroll the opponent after one turn of boosting.
>>59159937The 50 slots mainly.
>>59159937Give you more to work around with but generally unnecessary. Nothing limited is locked behind it
Give me a team to build i have no idea what im doing
>>59159945For singles or doubles?
>>59159937a bunch of tickets and 50 more box slots. The only thing in the game that is really worth buying.
>>59159946Dubs
>>59159945Do you have home access? With Ludon, Dragonite and Gyarados you have good elements for a decent rain team.
>>59159945>>59159948I’m no expert but Gyarados and Whimsicott are your strongest doubles leads IMO. I would start there and build a team around them.
>the best Steel types don't resist Fairy>the Poison selection is terribleNo wonder Floette is dominating
>>59159945https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69c6a52bd478313a15a33fd4/standingsHere is the results of the biggest tournament so far. This should help give you a good idea of what people are running.
>>59159953Charizard Y is seeing way more play than Floette
>>591599382801
>>59159958Trade codes are 8 characters long love.
>>59159962I'm half asleep my bad 2801 1082
>>59159953a lot of types are lacking options right now. Rotom is the only electric even remotely viable in doubles.
why did Zard X fall off so hard? I swear he used to dominate during ORAS and X/Y
>>59159962Thanks homie
Okay now a Lucario ignored my rage powder, and so did the pity bot Beedril? What?
>>59159967You're welcome.
>opponent sends out Primarina>get so horny i cant think
>>59159966Char-X is more of a singles pokemon. There's also the fact Garchomp is prevalent and more Intimidate in the meta
>>59159971Do you like my profile anon
>>59159992I don’t like anything but i dont dislike this
>>59159527Same
>>59159997Good enough for me
>showdowns deleted the custom server and all my teams with itits so over
>vs trick room>lead incin mouse>either taunt or throat chop the giraffe>it isn't even running mental herb>immediate forfeitThanks I guess
You don't get VP for doing Casual battles but people still tryhard in it anyways. Although it seems it counts towards achievements still.
How would I go about making a rain team with mega 'nium?Pelipper for drizzleGyarados for intimidateAnd that is as far as I go.Maybe a lightningrod mon?Haven't seen a lot of electric types.
>>59160018the “4fun” modes in any comp game are always filled with tryhards who have ranked anxiety
>>59160019I wouldn't, lol! Raichu has Fake out and Lightning Rod
>come up against and lose against a novel and original team and strategy that nobody else is using>can't think of a way to immediatly counter it>copy the teami made this
>>59159662>no perish trapfuck this meta
>>59160019Common rain team members would be Ludon, Basculegion, Dragonite.
>>59160023What team
lmfao it just keeps working I love my fucking Tauros
>>59160033>belly drum taurosthats a funni prank lmao
damn trick room is free wins for even great ball huh. Had like 4 people try to fake out my giraffe
ignore the stats/items i haven't added them yet but who should my last slot be for singles?
>>59160050Look at the usage stats and pick a counter for the most threatening thing you can't deal with at the moment.
>>59160050your entire team is slow as balls so probably a scarfer
>>59160050conkeldurr
If I'm a moron running offensive farig in doubles what are some good teammatesI have a speedy terrain setter for expanding force and a cofag in the back with trickroom already but I'm getting fed up with all these dark types running around
>>59160058>>59160052alright
>>59160033Why wouldn't you use the fire tauros so you aren't smacking yourself with a super effective?
>>59160066conkeldurr
>>59160066Any slow attackers, lead with girafe and a good fake out user (incin lul) and next turn just pivot into a attacker
>the item choice is so limited that 7% of Incineroar have LeftoversGrim
I have secret Charizard tech that gets me free wins sometimes and I want to talk about it but I can’t talk about it because the more people that know the less effective it is, just know I’m cooking bros.
>>59160084where are you getting stats from?
theres like 10 people here max
>>59160091Battle > Battle Data
>>59160089Probably just EVing to survive rock slides.
>>59160091In-game, look at the bottom option in the battle menu.
>>59160092>midnight to 3 am US time
>>59160096So prime time for degenerate pokemon players
>>59160084Not like many would be running Assault Vest if it was in the game since it no longer has U-Turn.
Using the Japanese Delphox teams feels like playing with Calyrex Shadow again. We are so back
>>59159770No that's only for rock types. Ground and steel only get immunity to the chip damage.
>>59160092Dead Game
>>59160092Mobile release and this place will be flooded with normies.
G slowbro or slowking in my trick room team?
>>59160135G is funnier because of quick draw and I guess shell side arms switching phys to special is funny too
>>59160135regular ass slowbro because he counters sneasler and incineroar too
>>59160135gloking walls floette
>warm-up>both sides have dragonite>i went extreme speed + ice shard (mamoswine)>opposing m-dragonite fainted without doing anythingReally hits the adrenaline when it happens
I finally had a chance to play rank and made it to gb for solo, i still only using the starter team they give you lolshould i be using the vp on recruiting of should i buy all the held items and mega stones (if i end up getting the respective mon for it)Also is there like a chart or list of mons i should be going/ looking to get?
>>59160171If you have recruitment tickets you should always use those before spending vp to unlock mons.
>>59160171>Also is there like a chart or list of mons i should be going/ looking to get?Look at whats being played here >>59159954
>>59160172Gor now at least. I'd bet that once we get legendaries in the game they'll cost more to recruit
>>59160171You can check which are the most used mons battle > results >pokemon tab
i wish there were cooler maps, like a beach or a forest, something cool, this generic ugly ass room the battles take place in is lame as fuck.
Wait, how do EVS work in this game? Haven't gotten around to getting this game yet. But whenever I see spreads it's 32/32/2 or something. Now this one is easy to decipher, it's the new 252/252/4. But how do I, for example, train a mon in an older game when the spread is: HP: 32/Atk: 15/ Spe: 12 like the Garchomp in this picture?>>59159737I mean, I can train a Garchomp in an older game and transfer it to home, but the Champions EV spread is strange...
>>59160181at level 50, 8 EVs = 1 stat pointif you want 12 stat points in speed, train it with 96 speed EVs in an older game
>>59160181multiply the values by 8
>>59160181Champions EVs work the same way but they give you 2 extra EV points. So if you transfer over a fully EV mon you will get an extra point to train on Champions.
What's the tier after master?
>>59160188>>59160189Ah offcourse, I am a moron.Sorry, it's early here anons, and I didn't have my coffee yet.
>>59160194Bate
>>59160181I wouldn't worry too much about making hyper specific EV spreads for pokemon. Just give them a standard 252/252/4 spread and when you send them to Champions optimize the EVs there, changing EVs only costs a couple hundred VP. The abilities and natures are the important things to train outside of Champions because they cost 500 VP each.
>>59160194you get teleported into wolfey's where he beats you with a belt
Alright bros. What EXACTLY is the counter to phox floette?
>>59160073nta but most meta threats hate EQ
>>59159541Far right looks the best to me, but my sense of fashion is rubbish so take it with a grain of salt
>>59159541all the hats in champions look fucking retarded
>>59160212fire tauros also gets earthquake
I'm not a good player myself, but it's hilarious how predictable some people are. Yes yes, parting shot into my competitive Milotic. That's a great idea! And now the incin comes back in for another +2. Scald has turned into a delete button!
Goddamn I fucking love this free Machamp they gave us.I pair him with a Lopunny that has Helping Hand and After You and I catch so many people off-guard. Sorry, your Incineroar gets outsped and dynamicpunch'd in the faceSorry, your Dragonite gets its multiscale pushed in with helping hand ice punchSorry, your intimidate strat is nullifiedSorry, your reliance on Machamp being slow is nullifiedMy biggest weakness right now is picking the back 2 pokemon lmao
>>59160179Fucking This
>>59160202Thanks for the info Anon!So, does it matter if I have a 0EV trained mon or one that needs a hyper autistic adjustment in 10EVs? In terms of VP costs?
Why yes, when things are going my way I do wait a few seconds when I choose my move to make it look like I'm hesitating.But I'm not.
>>591602461 stat worth of EVs is 5 VP1 training ticket can cover the entire VP cost of a single training session though. You could send over a random mon and fix it's EVs, Nature, Moves, and Ability for just 1 ticket.
>>59160246A complete EV change cost 330 VPs, 66 points for 5 VPs each. And removing an EV doesn't cost anything, only adding, so small adjustements are cheap.
Finally got t tar, thank fuck
>>59160254Ah great, so the mon I send over could have like an error of a couple of EVs and it would only cost me a handful of VP.I guess autistically saving and transfering forward almost every single goddamn Pokemon I ever caught ever is finally gonna pay off, huh?I even EV trained like 70% of those fuckers. I have a problem...
>>59160261If you've played enough endgame of a mainline game you probably already have infinite money for vitamins anyway.
>Opponent is called "Get Spinced">Leads with an Ariados called SpinceI'm scared
>>59159726>Pokemon still stand stock still and use the same animations from base gameThey actually do have new animations, alongside the existing ones from the recent games. There's different hurt animations depending on severity now.>there's only one stadiumThis is a valid complaint and I'm really curious how they address this. REALLY hope there's gonna be something. Themed stadiums to match the format would be really cool.>the game runs at 30 FPSYeah, should really not be the case on Switch 2. Or ideally anywhere but yeah.
>>59160264Yeah, I think only Legends Arceus mons would need to be transfered to [Insert Switch Game] to be trained. But in most games I am drowning in money. Also, as someone who hand trained some of his mons back in the day in games like Emerald and Diamond, I am so happy for younger players who can just spend an ingame currency and have trained mons. Training mons in older games could be a giant pain lol
>>59160266theres technically 2 stadiums, the main stage one and the gym room one but yeah lack of maps kinda sucks ass. I hope they add the PBR music but I really doubt it since gamefreak/tpci fucking HATES genus soronity
>>59159523>if a match ends in a draw, neither side gets any rewards, not even VP, which you still get on a lossMan, stall is fun.
Finally got into my first weather war against snow and it was one of the most fun shit I’ve ever experienced Even though I’m running a Trick Room team with Mega Aggron and Torkoal as my attackers, having to both switch and sacrifice Pokemon just to override the weather was silly
>>59160272Imagine making the colosseum games and PBR back to back and then getting sent off to make typing, trozei, shuffle and cafe games
>>59160019Watch Haydunn's latest video
>>59160293>Pelipper vs three megas>People still respect it enough to run Thunder on one of the megas
>>59159763I popped in Moon to see what things were like, and I forgot I dropped the game after beating the championI'm now having fun going around and getting the Tapus and UBs
>>59160089Waterzard?
>2v1>Use protect and fake outSometimes it feels like the two halves of my brain make decisions independently from each other
>>59160305Single-player co-op.
>>59160089>>59160302Yeah it's rain team Weather Ball zard, isn't it?
Do you think they might buff the pinch berries again?
>>59160312I've been catching lots of people off guard with weather ball milotic
>Greninja can proc Protean a 2nd time when it megasOkay it's still shit but that makes it more interesting to play
>losing pretty badly>recoverable but I'm definitely at disadvantage due to a misplay>but opponent knows they'd have to get through my Toxapexs bullshit for the next 10+ turns so forfeits
How the fuck do you deal with garchomp talonflame leadAerodactyl is starting to look pretty good I guess
I use sleepI use Quick Claw AND get wins because of itI use SwaggerI use every evasion ability I canI baton pass
>>59160375With my team the answer would be Rottom wash.
>check Showdown >22 champions OU battles>100+ M-A VGC battlesUh oh singles may be over
>tfw got so tired of being outsped by random shit that I slapped a choice scarf on Dragapult
>>59159541name this boy band
>>59160298>stab rain boosted weather ball and stab no-miss hurricane with just enough sp atk to be dangerous to anything that isn't bulked up, nearly always with a sash so if you don't double down on it you're eating at least one> wide guard shitting on spread move spam while still allowing its partner to act freelyits a menace
>>59160307Multiplayer without communication would be pretty desu.
Training is so easy finally, but the biggest flaw I see is just getting the team you want. I have seen Castform like 4 times in a row, and the best stuff are stuff I already got two copies of.So, I will probably just get a Pokémon game, either SV or ZA, then edit the save there and transfer via Home.I haven't played any main game since SS, and I played only the story, but I know that all Switch games are Pokedex limited, like, not all Pokémon are in all games like it used to up to 3DS era.Is this still Tru in ZA? Because if ZA has all mons, then I guess that's the most viable game to get and edit train them then transfer into Home and then Champions, right?Or will I need both, Scarlet and ZA? (and maybe even Arceus or even Diamond?)
>>59160411The Legends games have the smallest pokedex. Your better off getting SV and SwSh and just trading for whatever pokemon you can't get between those two games.
>>59160411SV+ZA has pretty much all Pokemon currently in Champions
>>59159912How far were you into the battle? I forfeited towards the end of one of mine and I still got VP
>>59160324Every mega refreshes the ability. So t-tar gets another sandstorm on mega
>>59160411there should be a daily shop where certain pokemon can be recruited directly. I've got no interest in picking up SV/ZA/etc. for live service Home shit when this game really should be above that natively.
>>59160402>play against a dragapult that sets up Dragon Dance>ice spear>ice shardSorry anon but I got priorities
So how does Rank work? I just hit Ultra Ball. Is Master highest or is that just the big boy leagues and there's more after that?
>>59160415Castorm is actually the only mon in Champions that you can't get with just ZA + SV. Out of every pokemon game on the Switch you can ONLY get Castform in BDSP.
>>59160442Master is after Ultra and Champion is after Master. I don't think Champion tier is in this season though.
>>59160411>the biggest flaw I see is just getting the team you wantHow are people totally okay with downloading this free to play game but refuse to download Home, which is also free to play, to transfer in mons? I genuinely do not understand how you can be this oblivious to a very simple solution.
>>59160411I wouldn't bother with SV if you don't have the switch 2 upgrade. The low framerate and choppiness made me dizzy, was hard to binge on it. But it probably has the stronger meta selection overall, when paradox mons get included you're gonna be dealing with Flutter Manes nonstop.ZA shiny farming is disgustingly easy and it runs pretty fine on switch 1 but the small dex isn't noteworthy aside from some mega evolutions and freebie legendaries they throw at you.
>>59160431https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/recruit.shtmlIt looks like there is going to be events that give out special tickets that help you target stuff better in recruitment.
Been having a lot of fun in the lower ranks sweeping with an iron defense, body press, protect, toxic spikes, Forrtress. Surprised how many people don't perceive it as a threat until it's too late. I can get my spikes and two iron defenses up 90% of the time because people want to take out the "big ticket" pokemon.
>>59160411If you get SV & ZA you can get everything you need through Twitch tradebots if you don't want to actually play through the games.
>>59160453There are apparently people who have a Switch/Switch 2, who like Pokemon, who want to play online matches and yet don't have pokemon games. There shouldn't be a lot of them but they do exist.
>>59159527I think the problem is they gave everyone a cookie cutter team. They really should have just completely randomized everyone's team and then slowly trickled in good pokemon through recruitment.
>>59160033that looks funny as fuck i'm stealing this combo thanks anon
>>59160458There is a surprising amount of people who ONLY want to play pvp and don't want to touch the main games whatsoever. There are a ton of people going to irl tournaments on accounts with zero progression on their game but a ton of injected mons.
>>59160464>FreeMons.orgKek definitely doesn't sound shady as fuck
>>59160464>surprising amount of people who ONLY want to play pvppost covid gaming scene is weird, not to mention the interest in pokemon TCG by """investors"""Plenty of boomers and dudebros who don't care about the pokemon story at all but insist on being involved with the series anyways
>>59160464its always fucking funny when they check a mon on the stream and it has an ot like that lmao
>>59160464This was the funnies shit ever even though i wanted to believe he just named his character that instead of genning
>>59160473Even before the covid there has always been showdown fiends who only want to pvp and don't ever want to touch the main games.
>>59160464I mean, beyond pokemon, what other high skill ceiling turn based pvp games are there?
>>59160464>There is a surprising amount of people who ONLY want to play pvp and don't want to touch the main games whatsoever.Its so funny that this is a thing because in a lot of other genres these are the same people throwing fits about "sweats" and "tryhards"
>>59159912>why didn't I get rewarded for not playing the game?
>>59160480Fighting games
>>59160485lol
>>59160480>pokemon>high skill
>have played a ton of Scarlet and ZA>had every battle-ready mon imaginable ready to go before Champions even released>now I can't get dopamine hits from the recruit gacha because I already have everything
>>59160494i still haven't seen a shiny, only a bunch of gay titles.
>>59160480>high skill ceiling turn based pvp games are there?TFT is really the only thing that is big
>>59160494Honestly it's not that exciting of a gacha. It's just one a day "pick from 10" basically. I'm actually curious to see how they handle the gacha in future. I'm guessing if new regulations have new mons, they'll then have rate ups for those new mons on that banner. Also technically you can still potentially get a dopamine hit from getting shinies in Champions. And I believe rare titles too.
>>59160494Just means you can save your tickets for when they have some kind of event or something.
>>59160494Even if you don't need the gacha it's kinda annoying that you still have to recruit a trial mon every day to complete the daily missions.
>>59160492I would consider actual competitive Pokemon relatively high skill as far as the limited capacity that competitive turn based video games exist in. There's a lot of factors to learn and good prediction needs good knowledge.
>>59160402>Sableye used Sucker Punch
>>59160451The top tiers don't unlock for a week or so into the season.
>>59160455>guaranteed ball ticketsNow that's good stuff.
>WOAH MEGA ALAKAZAMS STATS ARE CRAZY! WHY IS NOBODY RUNNING THIS?>looks at it's move coverage>oh... thats why...
>>59159768Pro tip from a Pokemon Hoarder; HGSS Pal Park has no time limit. Only DPPlt
>>59160494bro just save your tickets. this is a mobile gacha. they will add cool shit to get paid
So on the transfer mechanicsI read somewhere the other day the game seems to "lock" your Pokemon from HOME based on the first time you bring it in. How does this work exactly? If I bring in a Skamory with only Drill Peck from HOME, then I return it to HOME and update it a bit it before bringing it back into Champions it will still be that exact version of Skarmory with only Drill Peck? If I teach it Steel Wing in Champions before returning it to HOME, will it remember Steel Wing when I bring it back in?
>>59160514Your transferred mons stay in Home while in Champions taking up a box slot. Their moves and stats and stuff don't change within Home, so if you send them back they revert to what they originally had.
>>59160514whatever you do to your pokemon before moving it from HOME to champions is locked in while in champions. nothing done in champions will be reflected on that pokemon when you pull it back out. champions retains memory of that specific pokemon and nothing will change those two facts EXCEPT if it can change forms in a game outside of champs and does so
>>59159925Wait, once it "visits" Champions, it cant go anywhere anymore?
>>59160508>psychic attack will never hit a weakness>best chance at a OHKO is against shit with no spc def>everyone running whimsicott tailwind+light screen>2x from sucker punchwake me up>>59160514Basically as soon as it touches Champions it creates a new profile for that mon. Changes that happen to it inside the game don't carry outside and vice versa.
>>59160523No you can send them back to Home. There is literally an option on the recruit menu that says "send back to home"
>>59160514You create another pokemon essentially>original version where nothing you do in champions will affect it>champions version that will only remember changes from champions
>>59160519Aah, okay I think I get it.I'm not planning to paypig for anything yet, so I'm thinking of returning a Pokemon to Home whenever I need space in the box. I don't mind paying VP to fix the EVs everytime I decide to bring them back in, but I probably should have the optimum moves/ability/nature at least
>>59160494You can still roll for shinys, rare pokeballs and titles.
>>59160528i have sv, za and no home sub. just the basic 30 slots. i bought the 6.99 starter to get 80 slots in champions. im just going to stash visiting mons in champs or one of the games. no need to sub for shit. probably didnt actually need the starter pack tbdesu
>>59160492See you at worlds in August :^)
>>59160514>>59160523When a mon visits Champions for the first time, it will be registered with whatever build it has then. Moves, EVs, abilities etc. You CAN remove a Pokemon from the visiting status, then move it into the main games again. However any changes you make this way aren't registered if you have them visit again in Champions.This is presumably to stop people from being able to ignore the VP system entirely. It means you can build how you want in the main games ONCE per mon, but after that if you wanna rework that specific mon in Champions, you need to use the VP system, even if you have the Pokemon leave and visit multiple times.
>>59160528>I don't mind paying VP to fix the EVs everytime I decide to bring them back inChampions remembers the training you gave pokemon even after you send them back to Home so there really isn't any cost to swapping pokemon between Home and Champions besides time
>>59160454>>59160453I just don't want to play the games, I would rather emulate them with mods and better framerate and resolution. I only want to PvP, like others said.The games fell off a lot with XY (though they are my favorite after Emerald since it's really beautiful and chill, but story and difficulty wise they are all awful). So I want the absolute minimum to transfer to Home to then transfer to Champions.A friend has both, Violet and ZA, so I will grab these, edit in a save and then upload to Home.I was asking if one of them was enough, since, you know, updates and shit should be able to update the limit to a Pokédex in any modern game that could be updated. Like, I understand that anything before 3DS wasn't able to really download an update to get new forms, moves, patches or whatever, but anything from 3DS to switch should have been the norm. Like, then ORAS released, they should have made an update to XY for the new megas, Hoopa's form and whatever they changed. Same with all the Switch games.And final question, will I need the DLCs if I'm just going to inject all my shit? Like, is that actually something they need an update/activation to unlock more mons?
>>59160543>And final question, will I need the DLCs if I'm just going to inject all my shit?no. even accounts with no DLC can still trade for all the DLC mons.>I was asking if one of them was enough, since, you know, updates and shit should be able to update the limit to a Pokédex in any modern game that could be updatedas of right now SV + ZA has every mon available in Champions (except Castform lol)
Why is hippowdon more popular in singles than ttar?
do you get anything for releasing perma recruits? I'm working with the f2p box space and can't really give a fuck about most of the initial 6 mons they give you
>>59160542Oh nice that's even better.Okay, what if that Pokemon gets removed from HOME, then brought back in? Does Champions still remember this exact Pokemon and the training applied to it? Or is it treated as a fresh new visiting Pokemon again?
>>59160552champions will remember it unless it changes forms. furfrou trims, evolution (iirc) and so on
>>59160551Releasing mons is just to free up box space. Also if you haven't grinded the ladder yet you unlock more box space at great, ultra, and master tier.
>>59160549Better typing and reliable recovery, perhaps? Big if true, Hippowdon is cool
>>59160556oh good to know, i'd been putting off grinding until i had a good team, only in great rn. as long as it ends up higher than this pitiful 35 im good
>>59160554Right, that's all I need to knowGuess I can pretty much keep a revolving door of Pokemon from SwSh and HOME, and anything I can't catch in SwSh they'll just occupy a permanent slot in Champions
>>59160558I’m just checking the stats page. Hippo is a top 5 mon
>>59160541Ah ok, so a Shiny from SV can "visit" Champions, then go back to Home and go into SV again. Cool
These two are insanely fun in Singles together, especially with how common Mega Zard Y is.
>using the team Claude made for me to dominate singles>it actually worksI hate the era of AI...
>>59160549Hippo has been a singles staple since forever, it spams Stealth Rock/Yawn to set up sweeps and stop physical attackers
Lil Timmy thought he can just pick 6 of his favorite mons and give it moves that he thinks look cool to him instead of studying the meta match ups, team synergy and gimmick exploitation.Lil Timmy are you fucking retarded?Pokemon isn't for you and dont even think about buying the trading card game which is just overglorified investment you have no money to build a competitive deck with thanks to scalpers, Timmy.Fuck you Timmy, you get nothing. Your childhood is a joke and Ash is gone.Yes lil Timmy no one cares about you. Oh you want to work for the Pokemon company? Get stabbed the fuck out and your family see's 0 payment cause you signed for shitty part time job. TIMMY.
>>59160581TRVKE
lost to someone who named their shit Battlebeast and HellRaiser
>>59160585That's rough buddy
>>59160316I'm on rain and I lost to a fucking madman with choice scarf milotic
>>59160375mega gengar + adaptability choice scarf bascaqua jet then ko the talonflame since it loses gale wings since it took a hit and basc outspeeds its priorty with scarf
>>59160508Mega Alakazam is almost strictly worse than Mega Delphox right now. It really doesn't have any known good partners and its physical bulk is so terrible that'll be afraid of getting KO'd by neutral hits. It might get better once auto terrain becomes a thing or some synergy is discovered. For now Delphox fits the fast, strong Psychic-type role while also having a very useful Fire-type and Levitate which gives it great synergy with Garchomp.
I don't have Pokemon ZaZa so I can't get a Mega Delphox...
>>59160585This is to the side but it’s absolutely wild to me that they’ve gone back to showing opposing trainers’ nicknames in battle.
>>59160613I transferred Delphox over at the same time as greninja and only got a greninja stone
>>59160616Surely there will be some tourney mode they use for big events that won'tSURELY
>>59160617Sure your Phox originated from ZA?
>>59160541>This is presumably to stop people from being able to ignore the VP system entirelyA more charitable explanation is they didn’t want you to be able to use ez-train in Champions to load up single-player mons so they had to use a “visiting” system, but they also didn’t want you to have to retrain mons over and over if they leave and come back, so they created a memory system that retains champions changes. Which isn’t bad but it does mean there will potentially always be conflict between “mon’s state outside of champions” and “mon’s state inside of champions”.Personally I feel like the visiting system kind of sucks anyway, just sidestep the whole idea and present it as “if you have this mon in home you can unlock it in champions”. If I can’t send mons out of champions I can’t do duplication shenanigans, why do I need to keep a bunch of “visiting” mons idling in Home?
>>59160627Bottlenecks folks who don’t pay for home
>>59160621I mean it matters less for tournaments because there’s human oversight and no online anonymity. But you’d think a game that matches random 9-year olds to 38-year-old 4channers would take steps to not let them see Gardevoirs named “come sock” or Rillabooms named “grass floyd” or whatever. I mean whatever logic dictated they ban Chatter in online matches must SURELY be justified to not showing nicknames. It HAS to end badly for them, no?
There should have been an npc shopkeeper desu
Do you think Eviolite is just fucked forever, or do you think we'll get it back alongside a bunch of "suitable" NFE mons like Chansey and Porygon2.
>>59160628Right, but is that really the play? A home sub is way cheaper than a Champions sub. Wouldn’t the smarter move be the opposite? DON’T let me use Home to “cache” Champions mons, just make Home unlock them once and then from there it’s just in my Champions box? Now instead of spending $8 or whatever for 6,000 Home slots I’m eyeing spending $50 for 1,000 Champions slots.The thing is I’d actually be sorely tempted to sub to Champions if I didn’t know I was already gonna be stuck subbing to Home ANYWAY for mon management, so what’s the point of paying twice? If I could work toward an eventual living Dex in Champions, perversely that’s where I’d rather have it since battling is what I care about most. As it stands a Champions sub just doesn’t offer more value than a Home sub TO A CHAMPIONS PLAYER despite costing like 5x as much.
>>59160639If the game doesn’t get abandoned as a flop and they actually stick with it, I think the likely course of events is>NFEs added with Little Cup format, but they can only be used in LC, not the primary regs>later reg permits those NFEs in non-LC format, adds Eviolite in this update
Great Ball 1 is my limit.
>opponent has a two win stream>opponent leads off with Hatterene and Azumaril>Decides to commit to trick room in front of my Gengar and Sneasler >then goes Mega TTar and ChandelureThat was the weirdest sweep of my life
I really like Slowkings ability to set trick room and disappear in a snowstorm but Crabominable is not very good in this special heavy meta sadge
Gimme a team to just farm VP reliably.Win or lose, something that makes matches over in a snap and always a close call to maximise vp even when losing.Pic unrelated (ok i lied, me irl)
>>59160654just spam singles
>>59160639I bet they'll make a new recruit "banner" in the future containing Pokemon like Dusclops, Porygon2, Chansey and Scyther in conjunction with Eviolite being introduced
>>59160643Champions won't be abandoned. Even if no one plays it they're still gonna force people to use it for VGC.
Leading with focus sash Whimsicott and ttar feels pretty bad. Is there a good alternative to whimsicott for tailwind plus some more support next to ttar?
>>59160654Play hyper offense in singles.>Sash Nasty Plot Hydreigon>Swords Dance Scizor>Swords Dance Aegeslash>Shell Smash Blastoise>Dragon Dance Mega Feraligatr >something to check Unaware SkeledirgeAnd go ham. Games are over quick, win or lose.
>>59160663Corviknight or just use Excadrill Excadrill doesn’t need tailwind to outspeed things
>>59160657People keep saying this but I have doubts. Unless Winds and Waves kills traditional battles (which I highly doubt) there’s a strong incentive to use it since it’s new gen and looks good. You want to use VGC to promote the games, after all, it’s not like VGC itself is a profitable enterprise. If Champions is doing well and making money, using VGC to promote Champions is very smart. If Champions is a smoking hole in the ground with 9 players, using VGC to promote it instead of your brand new mainline titles is just fucking dumb.
>>59160663Gale Wings Talonflame for priority Tailwind.
>>59160632Fair point, and yea given chatter was a no no I can only assume this was some kind of oversight, a funny one, but an oversight.
>>59160663If you want TW, you could go gale wings talonflame, you’ll have to use tailwind turn 1 due to sand chip turning off gale wings but thereafter you have natural high speed and strong Brave Bird pressure against fighting types, plus a ground immunity. It’s a setup where using something like stone miss almost feels like a wasted turn against ttar in sand, if you’re gonna click a water move you’re debating which target, and if you were gonna click a fighting move unless you are VERY high speed you want to switch
>>59160655>>59160664Thank you, Singles spam it is, didn't think vp would be the same between modes.Will shamelessly copy past your team, any basic tips in team select, like:>usual go-to 3 mons if not against a peculiar matchup>Best Unaware check>Any item/moveset must have
>>59160667Champions barely even has anything to spend money on. You can’t pay for gacha and casuals aren’t going to want more than the starter pack for the extra box space
>>59160569Did you just give it the list of available pokemon and ask it to make team? That's hilarious
>>59160667the trick is to not make the new game 'mons avaliable in the gacha right away, so you're going to need to buy it to transfer them in from home
Can you set up a bot to spam singles and farm vp? Maybe when mobile releases
please stop namedropping me it's hard enough being named timmy
>>59160696never give up tim
>>59160688I'm sure people already have.
>>59160667>Selling gamesYou have it backwards. Live service subscription based gacha slop games make more money than cartridge games. So they're gonna push Champions and use the cartridge games to promote it going forward. Watch WW have purposely shitty or entirely absent on-line play. Maybe an unranked casual ladder, something like that.>it would be smarter toThis is Pokémon we're talking about. Game Freak relies on the strength of the IP to carry them, not intelligent decisions. Even if it is categorically stupid to push Champions they're still gonna push it.
>>59160696You should be the pioneer of the next term then. I don't know what a common name for gen alphas is. All the Braiden, Kayden, Jayden, Hayden zooms are 20+ now. Kai maybe.
>>59160688Mobile you could probably create a macro. On the Switch you could probably just mash A with a turbo controller. You just have to make sure your first moves in each slot are things that can kill the bots.
>>59160663Aerodactyl with Focus Sash, Tailwind, Protect, Rock Slide, an Duel Wingbeat. You threaten to outspeed Sneasler and KO through sash with Dual Wingbeat and no Charizard dare look your direction vs double Rock Slide.
>>59160688You'd hardly even need a bot. Just do something like Blizzard or Eruption spam, you could probably put the spam move in first move slot and let the game mostly play itself.
>>59160680Most of the time I lead Hydreigon unless a majority of the opposing team is hostile to it.For Skeledirge, go Lum Berry Garchomp or something. No need to minmax if all you want is to grind games. Skeledirge is actually kinda hard to check efficiently so I kinda just pretend it doesn't exist and hope I never see it. It only gets common once you get to higher ranks.
Retards on here that believe that they will just abandon Champions are born yesterday.
Smogon Champions OU 6v6 feels like LGPE.It's so fucking bland right now
>>59160666exa gets outspeed and ohko'd by dipshit sneasler
can any friendly person trade me some pokemon pls? i don't have any of the switch games. i don't mind if they are genned. im looking for sinistcha, gengar, excadrill, talonflame, torkoal, politoed, and kommo-o. i know it's a lot to ask for but i would really appreciate it
>>59160699>Live service subscription based gacha slop games make more money than cartridge gamesYes, but only if they're making money, that's my point. Obviously, if they see profitability in Champions, they'll continue to push it, because keeping up those subs and MTX is way more profitable than selling new mainline games, in terms of cost-to-revenue.However, if Champions is obviously a lost cause and not making any money, they're gonna cut their losses and run. The last couple of years we've seen a number of very expensive, very high-profile live-service titles flop in absolutely catastrophic fashion. It always ends the same: one or two half-hearted updates, then the announcement of end of service. Nobody goes all-in on an obvious flop for 8 years to try and keep it alive, once it costs more to support than it earns it's defeated the entire purpose of GAAS (minimize cost relative to revenue)People talk about Champions like it's going to be forced because "it's VGC now", which has the whole thing backwards. VGC is a commercial for the games, it's not a money maker in its own right. Its job is to promote the video games. The game it promotes is whatever one is most likely to generate the most money from that promotion. You spend your advertising budget on the game you expect to sell well, not the game you don't. Whether or not Champions remains the VGC destination at the time of Wind/Waves dropping depends entirely on how much revenue it's earning around that time.
>>59160766>I don't have any of the switch gamesSame boat. In the absence of reliable Home trade bots I'm farming Pokemon Go to try and flesh out a living dex. It's awful.The worst thing about it is the FE rules; in mainline, once you have an evo line at your disposal, you can easily breed and/or level to get all the evolutionary stages in that line. But with Go, having a Gastly don't mean shit. You need to catch like 70 Gastly for a single fucking Gengar. Rarity is multiplicative with the evolutions of rare mons. And there's no way to evolve (or breed) in Home or Champions.I cannot help but I feel your pain.
Well well well look at all the switchgamelets coming here begging.
>>59160775I said I'd never buy another pokemon game again until they reversed dexit and I intend to stand behind that decision even if it means I'm stuck grinding mobile garbage.
>>59160769same i downloaded pokemon go a couple days ago just to catch pokemon to trade. a couple of kind anons traded me a bunch of pokemon yesterday though
>>59160766Depending on how this works, I could maybe tryLike do you just want those mons at all? Traded via Home?
>>59160767Once VGC is on mobile there's no going back on it. Champions stays no matter what. The monetization is clearly not aggressive enough for them to hope to make bank on it, the starter pack is a cheap one off, the membership is only targetting a hardcore fraction of the audience and the premium battle pass is 10 bucks less than once a month. This game has simply no equivalent to a gacha's banners that can bleed people dry.
>>59160791yeah, i would like those mon to build a team. i actually don't need an excadrill anymore(just got one from daily recruit), i would like a corviknight or clefable instead if you have one. and yeah i just traded from HOME yesterday
>>59160801>Once VGC is on mobile there's no going back on itWhy? Because they'd lose players if they did? Why the fuck would they care?>The monetization is clearly not aggressive enough for them to hope to make bank on itNot yet. Monetization doesn't start out aggressive, that turns people off. You get them hooked and then you slowly start tightening the screws, do you not understand how GaaS works? The game should be peaking explosively right now, and then slowly figuring out how to milk the whales it gets addicted.
I spent a few hours preparing some Pokemon in other games but the logistics for all of this has become insane. You now need>a switch game to raise Pokemon>Home on Switch as a hub between games>Home on mobile because GTS doesn't exist on the switch version for literally no reason at all>Champions for battlingIt's a pain to juggle all of this.
>>59160813>Why the fuck would they care?They care about VGC, that's just a fact, don't ask me why.
>>59160497the fuck does TFT stand for? is it seriously another Leaguetard game?
>>59160405PREMIER BOYS
>>59160664i'll raise you double and say that memento whimsicott behind a setup sweeper is probably the best, i've got a whimsicott like that and tyranitar w/ lum berry and it does pretty good
>finally got floetteAlright, time to use Floette and bootleg Calyrex for two matches before I get butthurt I didn't come up with the team myself and stop
>>59160756Even with sandrush?
The Big Talon stonks going up, it seems.
oh yeah, that's the stuffI know people are bitching about options available right now but this snow team is a lot of fun to take out for a spin
>>59160878>Snow Cloak Bright Powder NinetalesWow, I'm having a blast....
>>59160878>snow with no borealisI know it will work just fine without it, but man that bugs my tism
>>59160878Wouldn't literally any other trick room setter be better than mememecho?
>>59160855Yeah, if it's missing it's item. Sneasler's base 120 gets doubled to 240. It's why everyone runs white herb on it, though you get some people with sash too. So this doesn't matter as much turn one, but I had a game where I fired a knockoff into a slot and my opponent swapped it in. They didn't target my exa, but could've knocked it out easily if they did because I forgot about the unburden boost and exa is only base 88.
>>59160863Tfw in master with a b tier team because I know how to play the game and people are predictable and lax when you lead dragonite
>>59160894I realized I posted an old pic, this was prior to me grabbing the mega stoneit's the ability and typing for me, I can spam sludge wave or earthquake while it dazzles
>>59160907>Sneasler's base 120 gets doubled to 240NOT HOW IT WORKS
>>59160915x1.5 sorry, whatever. It's still faster then exa. I didn't feel like doing the actual math.
>>59160549Hippo is literally just filling the slot in singles of "bulky ground type that can take hits"It's the Lando or Great Tusk of the format along with Garchomp. There's always a bulky ground type that's meta in singles cause ground is so good
>>59160919No, it's way more than base 240, because the actual stat gets doubledAdamant max speed is effectively base 312, Jolly max speed is base 353
>>59160791don't mean to be rude but are you able to give it a try? its fine if you aren't i just want to know if im waiting on you or not so i can go out and get some groceries lol
>>59160940Oh, my bad. Guess I was just dead wrong. I haven't done vgc stuff in a long time. Couple years, at least. I spend more of my time trying to get themed teams together then actually playing, though I got one of them to masters (a full team of mist walkers). Working on sand right now, trying to get a sandswept larvesta. Kind of sad you can't get an exadrill with one, but I'll try for a capsakid/scovillain soon too since they're also hanging around in the area.
>>59160919That's not how abilities like Unburden or Huge Power workThey double the actual stat itself, not the base statSo if Sneasler is Adamant max speed at level 50 it's speed stat is 172. It becomes 344 after Unburden
>>59160952Yeah, no, I just used the base stat as an example. I thought I got it wrong as that other anon said, but my initial interpretation was right. I just didn't feel like looking up what a max speed sneasler would be at. Either way, it outspeeds exadrill in the sand after unburden.
>>59160940*292 and 301, sorry i can't do math
>if a Whimsicott uses encore it changes your move selection mid turnGay as hell mechanic tbqh
Where can I look up teams to use for doubles?
>>59160960How did you think Encore worked?
>>59160667Contrary to your belief, many are liking Champions.>b-but the reviews and outrage!Sounds like skill issue
>>59160908Singles or doubles? I do have some success with Dragonite, but it feels lacking at times
>>59160568ZardY is common in singles? I thought it's more of a doubles thing
>>59160962https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69c8294d36f5b5c303dc036e/standings
>>59160568I'm copying this to try it out. Who do you lead with and use for your third mon?
If you lead Whimsicott in doubles against a Fake Out user, use Helping HandIt beats Fake Out in priority and if any opponent sees you lead with Whim, they're expecting TailwindThis has let my Torkoal, Scizor, and Incineroar get off some pretty solid damage turn 1 while they waste their Fake Out
does anyone have genned Floette Eternal they're willing to trade? I realize a legit one is unrealistic to ask for and irdc if it's fake. I have a suicune up on GTS under the name deezy (ID: 683802)
>>59160996doubles
Are you fucking kidding meYou lose even if you're up 2v1 and perish song ends on all 3 remaining monsKill all chink perish trappers holy shit
is there a website to quickly check abilities/base stats
>>59161080it's whoever did the attack in the double KOMega Victreebel doesn't draw either
>>59161085I figured that's how it works, but it's stupidShould be a draw at least
>>59161080It comes down to speed order. Slowest on the field faints last, which results in the winner.
Does this game have bots?
>>59161104Yeah
>>59161104You face them a lot early on
I'm glad to know the OST hasn't lost its touch https://youtu.be/HYoKqkWhTl4
>>59161104first couple of fights are vs bots and the shitter rank gives you a pity bot battle for every loss
>>59161003In my experience while I climb so far, yeah. I'm not at Master tier yet though, currently at Ultra 4. Charizard is common and they almost always Mega and none of them have been Zard X so far.>>59161020Depends on what the opponent has. I most commonly run them with Gardevoir as a third, rest of my team is Tsareena/Ditto/Toxapex who I'll use if they seem suitable though I don't get a lot of mileage out of Tsareena.I usually lead with Corvi since it only really worries about special Fire and Electric attacks, walls a lot of things like Garchomp etc. so if it looks like their options are limited for Fire/Electric then it's a safe bet, and Mirror Armor reflecting Intimidates is a nice bonus.Gardevoir tends to be a nice third since it can tank Fire/Electric special moves pretty well.I have thought about the fact this trio has two Ghost weaknesses and no real counter to Ghost specifically, though. Tsareena is really struggling to have impact with no Assault Vest, which is making her not fun so I might try out something new. A Dark type might cover that Ghost issue.
>>59161082Serebii or Bulbapedia have comprehensive information on basically everything, including databases where you can check everything that has a certain ability or move etc.
>>59161126thanksis there anything for the most common EV spreads etc.?
just won my first battle against a real player and im literally shaking right now
>>59161127There's a resource for that in-game, on the online battle menu there's a Battle Data option, shows move/ability/item/teammate/stat spread stats for every mon.
>>59161128Was it ひろし and he was oddly well dressed for somebody in his rank?
>>59161127If you are a newbie you can keep evs simple.If your pokemon is for doing damage, max speed and its relevant attack statIf your pokemon is for supporting max its hp and speed/defenses depending if you need the speed (prankster pokemon wont need speed for example)
>>59161135>>59161133thanksI'm not new I just want to build an anti-metaish team
Any chance they see no one fucking cares about 3v3 Singles and they make them 6v6?
>>59161146You'll see when the ranked data comes out that singles is actually way more popular. Japan doesn't give a shit about 6v6 and their singles scene is massive.
>>59161128Have some encouraging words from my wife anon
>>591611563v3 are so weird. How do you play them really. Feel even sackier than Doubles.Fucking Vivillion is OP in them
>lose master rank up match because of fucking quick claw basculegion
>>59161123I saw one Zard X. Without his flying resists he's just easier to deal with anyway.
>Win game by protecting my 10 hp megamon 2 turns in a rowOut skilled!
>>59161163LETS GO GAMBLING
>>59161163I saw someone on stream getting Parahax'd 4 times in a row12.5% btw
>>59161146Considering they never removed 3v3 for like 4 generations now, zero. They'll probably let casual mode do 6
>>59161134no it was some guy named enrico277 or something, and he was taking a lot of time for his moves so i dont think it was a bot>>59161157thanks, but i think shes my wife though not yours
Has anyone tried a monotype team for fun?
>>59161163One time the quick claw on my Milotic activated 3 times in a row, it was beautiful
>>59161159Vivillon is OP, period. You used to have to build AG teams thinking about how to beat Vivillon.
>>59161163Alright I got to masterFinal match ended up being against some kooky talonflame/empoleon/tsareena team, but I can respect itEvery other match was sneasler/rain/garchomp/floette/talonflame anyways
>>59161133It’s cool that they’re tracking this, it gives me hope that over time recruit rentals will come with their most common meta sets.
>>59161146The issue is that Japan fucking LOVES 3v3 singlesI've been watching a few japanese vtubers playing champs as their entry to Competitive and none of them has touched doublesIt kinda makes me wonder how VGC works over there cause it's strange how it's so much smaller in comparison
>>59161241Japanese are generally just very purist from what I knowIf online battles in the main games had the choice between 6v6 and 3v3, it probably would be more balancedROM hacks aren't popular, nor are fan games, like showdown, in general (besides Touhou) as far as I know
>>59161232What was their Tsareena like? I really wanna make her work
>>59161264I'm sorry I killed her before she did anything besides helping hand empoleon to do 90% with hydro pump to my scizor
What's a good raichu moveset?TBolt, fake out, helping hand, protect?
>>59161241Because as much as I love 6v6 battles on Showdown!, it has been clear since the begining of the franchise that the Pokemon Devs want us to play 3v3 battles, and that the 6 mons on your main squad are what you choose from.From the Battle Tower in Crystal, to the various Stadium games, the Frontiers and online/local PvP. 3v3 is what "Singles Pokemon Competitive Battles" are to the Devs, and thus the japs.6v6 mainly just Showdown! or people playing each other.I mean, don't get me wrong, it's completely retarded they gimp 6v6 so hard even in casual vs battles with friends, but it's not the main format in the japs eyes.
The bots are taunting me. It's like they know I shouldn't be here.
>>59161241I feel like 4v4 singles would be a better format than 3v3 but this is the standard we’re stuck with. I definitely agree with banning 6v6 to the fanfic realm though
The current tournament mode has a page that shows which mons are legalI'm hoping they use it to cut the top 20 or limit to specific types or shit like that
Any Sunbros have any good tips or suggestions for teammates? I don't mind playing sweaty if it means I can use my boy Venusaur
>>59161309It's more beginner-friendly than sweaty but I use this team for exactly the same purpose as you: Charizard Y, Whimsicott, Garchomp, Rotom Wash and Conkeldur.
>>59161269Nuzzle for speed control
>>59161331Good idea, thanks
Made it to doubles masterball with Incineroar and some shitmons we did it
I'm so fucking sick of whimsicott, sinistcha, and incineroar. Like full on AIDS+coof+rabies+cancer+prolapsed anus levels of sick of them.
>Trick room farigiraf with mega froslass in the leadWhat is bro doing!?
>>59161309I lost to some faggot that ran venusaur with Zard-Y. Sun comes out immediately, saur gets the chlorophyll boost, hit my fast mon with sleep powder, and heat wave hit next. Then he hit my other mon with sleep instantly the next turn. Fuck him.
>>59161342>Incineroardoesnt count
>>59161309I've been using Incin/Sneasler/Mamoswine. Incineroar's good for all the reasons you think it is, Sneasler pressures Archaludon and Ttar and also has Rock Tomb for speed control/to kill opposing Zard, and Mamoswine deals with dragons and is safe into Incineroar because of Oblivious. Use Icicle Spear instead of Icicle Crash, because all the things you need to kill with an Ice move die to Spear anyway. I haven't been able to decide on a sixth, but Scarf Chomp seems to work well enough.Surprisingly, Wash Rotom is definitely my worst matchup, though I haven't fought a good Floette team yet so I can't say for sure if I can beat that.>>59161351>anon finds out how zard/venu worksWelcome to gen 6 buddy
>>59161355>spoilerwith nevermeltice, forgot that
>>59161347White herb scizor bullet punch + dual wingbeat has worked well for me for the first two; he's been a solid addition in generalThe last one is milotic fodder
>>59161355>Welcome to gen 6 buddyMore like welcome to a shit game with no sleep clause. Dumb fucking status should just be removed.
>>59161361>smogon baby can't handle being outside his fanfic easymode meta
Are there good Drampa teams? I've had a Shiny Drampa since Alola, but never did anything with it. It's just sitting there on HOME. Might transfer it to a relevant game and train it up to use in Champions/VGC.
>>59161360I grabbed a scizor myself (gave it kings rock, but white herb makes sense for the intimidate meta), but I feel like every team I fight has so much fire, and my luck has been that they always lead with it. I guess I could try milotic, maybe replace the hypervoice+quick attack sylveon the game gave me for free.
>>59161367Everyone is just using weather teams so Cloud Nine is nice
>>59161371Mega aerodactyl is my go-to pick when I see zard on the other teamClose combat scizor is also good into archaludon; should 2HKO even with stamina boost.Incin is a bitch either way but I find they fuck around more than they flare blitz with aerodactyl in front of them
>>59161303Yeah I agree with you. I'm not some purist that thinks singles needs 6 mons or it's not a legit format, but 3v3 is just REALLY limiting on your defensive options. I think 4v4 would be way more enjoyableBut it's been 3v3 since literally gen 1 so I doubt they'll ever change it
>>59161367I don't know about Champions but Drampa was fun in the ZA online lobbies. In particular in the regulations without the legendaries. You have to be careful because everyone's running Garchomp but a cheeky Nasty Plot -> Life Orb Hyperbeam from afar while everyone is distracted got me many double/triple kills. It's basically walmart Nihil Light without the annoying setup.
>>59161361Sleep is just two turns max, play around it.
>>59161424>play around both mons losing two turns at the same timeRetard.
>test set in showdown>recreate it in champions>there’s one>ONE>(1)>FUCKING>EXTRA>STATwhere the hell did it come from?does everyone have a single extra point for evs?wtf is going on?
I just wanted to run Tauros because I liked it and it got intimidate but apparently it has an extra ev in champions
>>59161436iirc it's basically just a consequence of the change to the EV system being adding equivalent stats rather than 4 points = a stat like it normally is.
Either champions calculation is wrong, smogon is wrong or they have an entirely new system
>>59161444Does it actually add the extra point or is it visual? I could really use that extra point.
>Tiny accuracy drop for Make it Rain>Tiny power nerf for Astral BarrageWhy? They took Unseen Fist out back.
>>59161452Yes it is outright an extra stat, sending in a mon that was previously EV maxed in a pre-Champions game will need to have it added in the Training menu
>>59161433yes bring your own shit that can deal with theirsits not hard
>>59161436Yes, it's because in the base games there are 510 potential EVs you can give, with 252 being the max in any one specific stat.The reason it maxes at 252 per stat is that at Lv. 100, 4 EVs = an increase of 1 in the given stat, and so 252 is exactly 63 with no excess. However if you max two stats, that uses a total of 504 EVs, leaving 6 to be used elsewhere for a potential 1 bonus stat.However at Lv. 50, this becomes 8 EVs for an increase of 1 to the stat, meaning if you don't want to waste any EVs, the maximum you would use one one stat is actually 248 EVs (for exactly an increase of 31). But since most people will typically just bring 2 stats to the max of 252, that results in 4 EVs in each of those being wasted, resulting in one extra stat point going to waste. In short, if like many, you've been putting the max EVs into a two stats in the main games when building mons, at Lv. 50 this results in a single stat point going to waste due to how stat calculation works. Since Champions is converting these, it sees that third stat has less than 8 EVs (presumably 6) in it, and thus gives it just 1 point.
>>59161487You’re almost right, but the first 4 EVs at level 50 will give one stat point, then 8 for the rest, so 252 doesn’t waste any. That’s the whole reason why 252/252/4 works in the first place.
How do I view the dex in-game? I swear I saw the menu ONCE and then the location of it got nuked from my brain
I won for bullshit reasons
When's new thread?
>>59161522Do you mean just the list of Pokemon? That's when you look at the Reg M-A rules
>>59161522achievements
does anyone train from the training menu instead of the box?
Alright I'm baking a new thread, gimme a sec
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>>59161583>>59161585>right as I post thatDamn, never mind
>>59161177I had something similar happen where I missed hurricane 4 times in a row
