Chesnaught and Scovillain feel like incomplete designs now that I know what their megas look like
>>59161364>have despised Chesnaught's design ever since it was leaked>actually find the mega to be one of the coolest ones yet Not apologizing to you Chesnaughtfags for deluding yourselves into liking the base form, but your dedication paid off.
>>59161398I never understood why people hate base chesnaught. Is it just the beige color?
>>59161402He’s bald
>>59161402The weird stiff A-pose stance, the constantly splayed open arms, its horrible stilted XY animations (barring its shield that they cut in subsequent gens for some reason), and how flat and papery the shell is make it resemble an awkward kid wearing too tight of a Halloween costume.
>>59161432He just wants to be an anteater
>>59161364same for Delphox. base form looks so fucking lame compared to it
>>59161364Mega Chesnaught is way overdesigned, but Scovillain is a massive improvement. Even the pepper necktie.
>>59161454>Mega Chesnaught is way overdesignedbecome a fan of non-Nintendo franchises. I'm begging you
Chesnaught was a terrible design saved by his mega, Scorvillain is a mid design made slightly less mid, I don't really get why they went for a suit and tie, but I can't say I don't like it.>>59161398This, the Chespin line single handedly ended my life long grass starter streak. Quilladin was a mistake.
>>59161477>start liking shitty overdesigned trashnoa good design is a laconic design, nintendo or not
scovillain was always a good designit's just a pepper monster with a smug pose.
>>59161402They are terminally online retards obsessed with cloutchasing which is why bandwagons exist
>>59161364If Gengar came out today there would be zoomers claiming it looks like an incomplete design.
>>59161364Mega Scovillain looks like it’s imitating those 80s/90s cartoon villain, but the necktie being used as a weapon is beyond retarded.
>>59161496you only think this because you're nintendoshilled
>>59161364I feel this is by design. Since gen 6 theyve put out a lot of designs that seem undercooked just so they can revisit them at a later date with a gimmick or cross evo to "complete" them
>>59161776Ever since Heliolisk dropped Ive wondered why it looked like the middle stage in a 3 stage line but now im sure it was originally meant to get a mega to serve as a 3rd stage. This sort of incremental design enables older fans to come back for newer entries. Hell, I almost bought ZA just for Chesnaught myself because the mega was everything I wanted in the base design
>>59161449I can't stop seeing a bearded woman
>>59161364I am not a fan of Scovillain but glad to see its Mega is doing good in competitive
>>59161402No one knows what it even is supposed to be. It's some vaguely mammalian humanoid. People complain about Incineroar being a guy in a suit but at least you can tell it's a tiger.
>>59161932Chesnaught being an ambiguous monster is a pro, not a con. It sucks cause it looks too much like a bald guy with a beard, not because its not literally just a bipedal hedgehog
>>59161364Basically all the Gen 8 Pokemon that received Gigantimax forms suffer from looking forever incomplete.
Same problem.
>>59161960>>59161979These things fell completely on their face in terms of comp
>>59161402Greninjafags felt the need to rationalize their extreme, unprecedented shilling by pretending that the other two starters were "just that bad" (in reality, they were both always better than that abomination).
>>59161960Well, it's not like they can't receive an evolution or something later. Just look at Duraludon.
>>59161402weirdo mummy design, it looks half baked like they didn't know what to do with most of its body
>>59161402i never liked how the body, especially the arms, have no definition like they're inflatable tubes stuck in that one pose. it would have looked better if all that was broken up into segmented pieces of armor like nidoking's arms and legs
>>59161364chesnaught looked fine as it wasthe mega design is just a better design, but that's how all megas should be
>>59161402Overcomplicated with arm and leg lines, spikes and other shit everywhere making it already look like a mega. Its mega looks like a slightly different alternate form to its base.
>>59162443it has good reason to have spikes everywhere
>>59161364People say these designs look underbaked solely because they’re bald and lack other characteristics to draw attention away from that, right? People used to insist Scovillain was Kanto-coded, and looking through the Kanto dex it comes across as laughable in hindsight.
>>59162460and the the other shit?
>>59162487>what about shit?>the theser
>>59162116Yeah well a lot of the G-Max moves were straight up worse than the standard D-Max ones. Beats me why they made that decision. >>59162159True... But it does pretty much rule out their designs being used. And I really like tornado snake, wedding cake, centipede dragon, etc. They feel like natural outcomes of their designs.
>>59161364You forgot the Gen 9 pseudo. The original looks like AI generated fakemon but this one is actually interesting to look at
>>59161979This is an issue with so many of the Galar Gmaxes
>>59161364I actually feel like Scovillain is a perfect example of a Mega - logically, one would expect an actual evo to have three heads (1 > 2 > 3) like so many of the fan designs had. This takes a .5 approach by adding the pepper "tie," fitting for a power-up that isn't full evolution.
>>59162474>People used to insist Scovillain was Kanto-codedIt's ugly shit, so yes, it is Kanto-coded.
>>59161449I feel like the stick into a Broom-Scepter is soo fucking obvious of a direction for the Fennekin line that I'm actually mad it took a fucking mega for them to do it
>>59161517Nah everyone would call it the Clefable convergent mon
>>59161872Considering it's gandalf harry potter star fox, you should see a male
>>59161979Centiferno is unironically too cool to be a standalone pokemon
>>59161932It looks like a pangolin it's even making the evil hands pose like one.
>>59162572Because they added detailing to its bald ass head.
>>59161449Base Delphox is such a phoned in design it hurts. Drab brown, A-posed and it's wand just fucking disappears up it's ass. The mega is excellent though but it just shows that the base design only needed a few tweaks to be good.
>>59162572>>59161364>unbalds your pokemon>instantly becomes a peak designReally makes you think
>>59162474>People say these designs look underbaked solely because they’re bald and lack other characteristics to draw attention away from that, right?Heliolisk isnt bald but a lot of folks were convinced it was supposed to have another stage before the full kalos dex got leaked
>>59161960Then theres Corviknight who's gigantomax might as well not exist
>>59162789good point lmao. Come to think the Gigantamax forms for third stages tended to be really underwhelming. Like Hatterene and Grimmsnarl.
>>59162474>People used to insist Scovillain was Kanto-coded, and looking through the Kanto dex it comes across as laughable in hindsight.Scovillain calls to mind Exeggutor. Vaguely reptilian, multi-headed plant monster whose heads are fruits. Both even evolve by stones.
>>59162778>Heliolisk isnt bald
>>59162765It was always great, the shit posing of the model was the ONLY issue.
>>59162572I wonder how far in advance the new megas were planned, were the gen 9 Pokemon designed with their upcoming megas in mind?
>>59162991Yeah delphox looks alright in the official artwork since it has a stanceIn the game it just stands there like it's waiting in line. Looks like a fucking traffic cone. How to ruin your starter in one weird trick
>>59162912>GrimmsnarlI know its basically just a bigger grimmsnarl but making it look like the colossi from shadow of the colossus made it my favorite gmax and gen 8 mon by far. Thankfully its gmax didn't take away from the base design which I also consider really good
>>59161364There's no iterating on Mega Chesnaught. If that was the base form, the mega would become too overdesigned
>>59161477Every pokemon past gen 3 is overdesigned and even gen 3 is isn't exempt.
>>59162991I mean, that's a pretty huge issue. It looks like a christmas tree regardless of what it's doing. If it was posed at all like it's key art, I think it would be a lot more popular.
>>59161402It's a decent design but a bad model and bad artwork. Half of the reason the mega looks better in the OP is because he's actually posing dynamically.
>>59161979
>>59162701it truly is that easy. Practically any redesign of baxcalibur that slaps a horn, crest, or plate on his head instantly looks cool.
>>59161932Glyptodon
>>59163564>If that was the base form, the mega would become too overdesignedNah they would just fuse the shields into a toilet lid that hangs above his head
>>59161402Bro look at it
>>59162768Norwoodbros...
>>59161402It's so stiff without even really evoking the fact that it's heavily armored. It looks like a grandpa wearing some weirdass shoulder pads. The Mega actually looks like it could take a hit
Does Eviolite work on Dynamaxes? That might actually be a big deal for Gmax Duraludon when he comes back.
>>59161364>>59161449It makes me think they were waiting for the opportunity to give them megas and toned down their basic final forms on purpose. I know its unfounded but its the cope my heart came up with
>>59162159They're deathly afraid of making cross gen evos. They prefer to just make it a regional form instead nowNot sure why since people love cross gen evos. They're the best "gimmick" they've ever done
>>59161960Copperajah is pretty fine on its own without that ugly gmax form
>Scovillian will always look incomplete forever I hate megashit
>>59164988>basically allNot the same as all
>>59165008It’s a stone evo, so it already wasn’t going to get an evolution.
>>59164956>They're deathly afraid of making cross gen evosThey literally made 4 of them in the last gen.
>>59161398yeah i'm a lapsed fan and never liked chestnaught even back in 6 when I liked a good bit of designs therebut the mega is fucking sweet>>59161432kinda fucky to think but i think this is on the moneythe more hunched over look the mega has makes him look a million times better
>>59162789>>59164988thoughts?
>>59165971Drednaw,Orbeetle and Centiskorch will get evos in gen 10
>>59165971Mega Blastoise is sick
>>59165971Good morning sir
>>59166158Some of the Kanto designs are good. And a lot of them are better than all the ones below them. They just haven't had much of a legacy. The Kanto designs basically lose nothing without them.
>>59165771inb4 schizoposting about how those are “regional evolutions that can’t be obtained outside of Paldea” because there hasn’t been a mainline game since SV to prove them wrong
>>59166154>Orbeetle will get an evoit’s already a third-stage bro
>>59165971I would say Coalossal fits more in "it just gets bigger"; unpopular opinion but same with Centiskorch
>>59165971I wish GF would just retcon Gmax to Megas or evos when appropriate
>>59161402I feel like the line is all over the place, especially in comparison to Greninja and Delphox line that all makes sense as evolution.That said, I think Chesnaught is by far the best one of the Chespin line and it is a decent final form. Granted, a somewhat bland one.I think Quiladin is the ugly one - I believe this is a popular opinion around here. I wonder if Quiladin's ugliness brought Chesnaught popularity down.
>>59166498things would be a million times better if megas just stayed the permanant gimmick and they expanded on that rather than z moves, maxxing and teraregional variations are okay too
chesnaught is great fuck you
maxxing is also great fuck you
Scovillain still feels incomplete. It should have gotten an evo. But now it won't. Another reason to hate megas
>>59167785How does it feel incomplete?
>>59162137Well, going by polls and such Chesnaught is possibly the least popular starter ever. Somehow.
>>59168604Even compared to Emboar?
>>59168529its not an overdesigned digimon like my favourite bortmon
>>59161402Many people just have shit taste
>>59168639Do you even know what Digimon are/look like, or are you just using it as a generic insult?
>>59168613It's hard to say, the most well known polls only show the top after all.For one other example, here's a youtuber poll:https://thomasgamedocs.com/pokemon/This poll has Chesnaught below Emboar, but Quaquaval did actually come in and take the last spot.
