Are ice types still in need of a buff now that their weather effect grants them a defense boost just like sandstorm? Maybe Rock types should get their own version of Aurora Veil.
Here before Kojo clittyleaks.
Most of the Ice types that sucked still suck now because they're still slow and not that bulky. Ice also has a plethora of weaknesses.
Yawnfag...
>>59162575Participating in the Kojo summoning ritual are we?-Ice should resist Ground, Fairy, Dragon, Water, and Flying.- Freeze should also be replaced by Frostbite.- Dewgong should get Freeze-Dry and Aurorus should get Power Gem. They should also have better stats.- Ice Beam's distribution among water type Pokemon should be gutted (with exceptions like the Piplup line)
>>59162602No to ground, fairy, water.Yes to everything else.
>>59162602Aurorus doesn’t get Power Gem?Oh my god, it actually doesn’t. Fucking why?
Ice types were "fixed" by finally adding fast attackers. We are due for a Rock/Ground that isn't a slow pile of shit. Lycanroc-Dusk was a step in the right direction but didn't go far enough
>>59162784The small indu companu is not capabru of such raborus tasku.Prease understandu.Champions also doesn't have Power Herb, because small indie company was too busy breaking Haze so that it restores HP
>>59162520Ice literally got nerfed in Champions. You campaignshitters were screeching over nothing.
>>59162877Wouldn't it be Kojo screeching instead?
>>59162880Campaignshitters screech about Ice needing to buffed. Campaignshitters are so terrible and out of touch with the game that GF literally did the opposite.
>>59162902Are the campaignshitters in the room with us right now, Kojo?
I bet Kojo is Indian.Curse Vishnu.
>>59162520It doesn't make up for having such horrible defensive matchups. Sandstorm's SpDef boost didn't save the litany of defensive rock-types from being outclassed by their steel counterparts, and that's for a type with actual resistances. And even if it did, if a type needs a weather condition to be good then it's still bad. Water-types don't need rain and Fire-types don't need sun.>>59162562Where did the name "Kojo" come from? The Ice-type defender has been around for years but I've only recently seen people attach a name to the madman.>>59162846Ice-types being built offensively saves them from being outright useless, but they're still kinda niche since they still don't provide any defensive utility which makes them hard to fit outside of offensive comps.>inb4 muh aurora veilrefer to the third sentence of this post>>59162877>not only trusting GF's judgement on game balance but citing them as an authoritylolAlso I don't know where you're getting this "campaignshitter" meme from, Ice-type being heavily flawed at best is a universal opinion among compfags, probably because it's so obviously true that no one with a functioning brain would argue otherwise. If anything "campaginshitters" are the ones to think Ice-type is good because they can kill Pidgey with their Kyurem-White.>>59162967Hail Vishnu of the Trimurti
>>59162987>Where did the name "Kojo" come from?https://xcancel.com/Kojo_AN/Mirrors the bait that you see posted on here almost 1:1.Unova? Samurott? Cartoon animals? Shitting on Battle Revolution?You want it? It's yours my friend as long as you fall for the bait. He also defends the absolute state that is Champions.
>>59162877>>59162902he's here
>>59162877Wait it was nerfed?
>>59163134No he's correlating Freeze with Ice for some reason. Freeze was slightly nerfed, but all status conditions were
>>59162987>Where did the name "Kojo" come from? The Ice-type defender has been around for years but I've only recently seen people attach a name to the madman.Some retard on Twitter who makes the same arguments and has a similar speech style
>>59163134Freeze got nerfed. I guess if you squint really hard it’s an Ice-type nerf.
>>59163027He defends Champions?
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Kojo's clit didn't leak hard enough.
>>59163250I’d be more interested if older posts were similar to what he tweeted, like the LGPE and Galar stuff he used to spam
>>59163250This is fucking embarrassing. This feels less like a contrarian that wants to make people mad and more like a shill who wants attention but is too much of a faggot to get any
>>59163250Holy shitpic related is his face making that post
>>59163350He's also a dexit shill.
>>59163382Already knew this. It's always been about excuses
>>59162602>Freeze should also be replaced by FrostbiteThis should actually happen though. No one has ever liked freeze, and having a symmetrical status for burn is a good thing
>>59163382And to further confirm this is all him this image appeared on /vp/ in a previous thread.Notice how he left out Umbreon which made #1 for gen 2 in the 2020 Pokemon of the Year poll? Also notice how there is no representation for gen 2 on the right?https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_of_the_YearUmbreon had 67,062 votes, beating Tyranitar, Lugia, and Typhlosion.
>>59162520Ice and electric types need buffs since every other type has stolen their moves offensively Ice and electric pokemon movepools are pretty limited to ice/water and electric/fire respectively with little options outside it
>>59163382>>59163426>both of those images have been spammed on /vp/Holy shit, it’s actually him?
>>59163439Oh my sweet summer child, the rabbit hole goes deeper than what appears in a Q-tard's delulus.https://xcancel.com/Kojo_AN/search?f=tweets&q=Samurott&since=&until=&min_faves=
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>>59162520Still no resistences
>>59163522This is one of the very few things that he's said that's correct. Gen 6 has a very similar problem but ORAS doesn't nearly make up for it even if XY isn't nearly as bad as DP (it's way worse than XY on a design and functional level, at worst XY is mediocre on the former and serviceable outside of Lumiose on the overworld and in singles in battle).
>>59163555Let's be real here:He only posts about the level curve as a means to detail and shit up threads that are about gen 2.
>>59163571It's not a great part of the game, but that's just what happens when you try to turn JRPGs non-linear while keeping a straight leveling system (and have like a year to actually make the game). Gen 1 has a similar problem but most of it is optional so you don't run into it, but SV is really bad for it despite how much he likes to defend it.
>>59162520should've given a 50% damage boost to ice attacks instead
>>59163389>homogenizing the game and making ice worse for no reason is a good thingok campaignshitter
>>59163607>Getting rid of a boring and unreliable status in favor of one that can be strategized around makes ice worse
>>59163607You lost when Hail got turned into Snow.
>>59163607Freeze was extremely hated by the players (and arguably some developers based on the Freeze Clause) for functionally being a random KO that's just better Sleep. In Champions, it's now just random worse Sleep. Being Burn but for a different stat is something mildly usable and could expand the design space for ice moves and what they're allowed to do. It would also give every offensive stat a non-volatile condition to match with Burn/Attack and Paralysis/Speed.
>>59163632>making it objectively worse makes it mildly usablewhat did campaignshitter-kun mean by this
>>59163632>It would also give every offensive stat a non-volatile condition to match with Burn/Attack and Paralysis/Speed.Okay, but why does it need one?
>>59163522First time I've ever agreed with yawnie. DPP fucking suck ass. D/P are bordeline unplayable with the horrendous performance. Platinum greatly improved on the base game by making it run better and expanding the dex to not be an absolute joke, but the biggest issue remains, it's a fucking Sinnoh game. The region looks nice at a glance, with the mountains and snow being peak comfy. But holy shit it's such an awful experience to play through HM hell.
>>59163469>>59163522>>59163523One step closer to pipe bombing this nigger
>>59163651Platinum improved the experience as best as it can without just outright removing Defog or anything by adding Tropius. It and Bibarel learn all 8 HMs, so together you don't really need to worry about them at any point. You'll likely also use Surf/Waterfall or even Fly on your main team so you just need to squeeze Cut/Strength/Surf/Rock Smash/Rock Climb between those two mons which is pretty easyHGSS isn't better, it has the same amount of HMs and they made Rock Climb mandatory to get to Red for some reason so you're wasting one of your move slots for the super epic final boss of the franchise on HM shit
>>59163635>stopping the opponent from doing anything can’t be strategized aroundIt literally can't, no move has higher than 10% freeze chance
>>59163635A small proc chance isn't something you build a reliable strategy around. It's something you can take advantage of in the moment if you happen to get lucky, but no more than that.
Kojo's mother did NOT have her vagina tear apart while pushing him out just for him to spend his life baiting people on 4chan and Twitter.
>>59163666I agree Platinum did as much as it could, and it's a lot more enjoyable as a result, but the foundation just isn't good. Sinnoh as a region sucks, even with a third of your team being dedicated HM slaves. It might've been alright if HMs were used automatically, letting you seamlessly traverse the region without having to constantly mash A to get through text prompts. I want to like it, because I already love the aesthetic of Sinnoh, but I don't find it enjoyable.
>>59163731You're right. Instead of that, he wastes most of his time talking about Transformers.
>>59163724>A small proc chance isn't something you build a reliable strategy aroundLet's say I'm fighting the opponent and we're both down to our last Pokemon. My last Pokemon is faster and has Ice Beam and Moonblast. Their last Pokemon takes more damage from Moonblast, but it still won't KO. If they attack me once with any move then I lose.Do IA. Click Moonblast like a retard because it does more damage?orB. Click Ice Beam, try for the 10% Freeze proc, then hit them repeatedly to KO them while they're frozen?I'm sure if you're not fucking terrible at the game you will realize which is the better choice.
>>59163784What part of a 10% chance to win in this specific scenario is a reliable strategy? You're describing a desparate last hail mary, not a strategy.
>>59163666>Platinum improved the experience as best as it can
>>59163596The only way to make snow nearly as oppressive as rain/sun now that the per turn damage with hail is gone is to give it both a damage and defense boost to ice types.
>>59163784I click Moonblast regardless>A Critical Hit!Get fucked
>>59163818Any faults with Platinum are Masuda's problems, not Platinum's. You're basically asking for a completely different game which is understandable, given all of Masuda's games are so bad that fan hacks have to go in and make the experience tolerable for zoomersIt's not the fact that zoomers don't want to play 2D games. It's the fact for a majority of the franchise, Masuda just pumped out pure garbage to please daddy Nintendo and any of the "good games" were attempts to fix his dogshit
>>59163816>in what way is playing to your only win condition a reliable strategy?
>>59163758>Trans*formersNaturally the retarded tertiary has dogshit taste in his preferred media as well
>>59163640Because it would be fun
>>59164605Being the better option doesn't mean it isn't a shit strategy, you still lose 90% of the time
campaignshitter tip of the day: every move with less than perfect accuracy is bad because it isn’t reliable
>>59164657You're retarded. Using moves with 10% freeze chance with the intent to freeze is like using a 90% accurate move with the intent to miss
campaignshitter tip of the day: intending to play to your wincons is retarded
>>59163818>oh fuck there's a zubat in a small crossway like ravaged pathkek retard, its way better than johto and hoenn's shitmon dexes
>>59164516This. Any faults with XY are Masuda's problems, not XY’s.
>>59164742>Missing is your winconEnjoy your blunder policy strats in 1100 elo, faggot
>>59164754>>59164752Lol dumbass.
campaignshitter tip of the day: you increase your elo by using the strategy that wins you the game 0% of the time instead of 10% of the time
>>59164763>Admitting that you would literally never win without freeze hax
>>59164822>Admitting that you’re a campaignshitter who doesn’t understand how win conditions work
>>5916476310% winrate
>>59164605>jakpostingOpinion discarded
What was the post that was deleted?
>>59165199>campaignshitterpostingopinion discarded
>>59163638Half the time freeze doesn't do anythingMaking freeze do something half the time, all the time, is better.
>>59165241>it sometimes doesn’t do anything>so lets turn it into a status condition where the vast majority of the time it doesn’t do anything
>>59165253You've got your temporal qualifiers switched around
>>59165253>the vast majority of the time it doesn’t do anything>Burn doesn't do anything the vast majority of the timeVerlisify, is that you?
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>>59164763Yeah, you should always use moves Freeze because they have a chance to take out a Pokemon for one to three turns and are functionally worse OHKO moves, Burn is a useless status condition and should never be used, it's not like it reduces a stat at best and does chip damage that can improve your damage thresholds at worst.
Surely, nobody good at Pokemon would ever say ice type was badhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ougeds5Y1zYSurely nobody who has ever won a tournament and consistently tops major events over the last decade would say being Ice type is a liability defensively
>>59162520it no longer does the chip damage, so it's a sidegrade.he biggest problem with Ice is they keep trying to make it a stall/slow defensive type, when it's weaknesses are fighting, rock, steel, and fire.When it SHOULD be a fast offensive type, because it's strengths are flying, grass, ground, and dragon. If there were more fast ice types, they wouldn't have even needed Fairy.Look at the best performing ice types over the years. Kyurem, Weavile, G-Darm, Chien-Pao, A-Nine, Iron Bundle. If you're an ice type with a speed above 90 and a kill stat above 100 and your name isn't Mega-Glalie, you saw UUBL or higher use at some point, period.Opposing, we have Froslass exclusively as a fast hazard setter that stops Rspin and defog it's ice typing completely irrelevant, Arctozolt because Slush Rush Bolt Beak combo it's a budget Dracozolt with an infuriating 20 less Speed and 10 more Specials for its physical signature move, long time staple Mamoswine because it still hits like a truck, does actually have enough bulk to stick and do damage, isn't weak to sneaky pebbles anymore potentially not fire though most people don't run thick fat they do oblivious for intimidate, and has stab EQ which alone always bumps things up a tier and with ice crash hits nearly everything for neutral or better, and of course Baxcalibar, Cloyster, and Abomasnow carried entirely by their signature abilities and in Obama's case, immediately switched the moment better options were available, and Cloyster only barely hanging on the cliff edge of RU because shell smash.Stab ice on a sweeper does phenomenal. Ice on a stall, and especially GF's favorite, a physically defensive stall for some dumbass reason, ends up in PU or lower, because ice simply cannot stall and definitely not against 3 the obligate physical types that are its primary goddamn weaknesses.
>>59165577Huh.Why IS mega glalie the exception? What made it so much worse? Lack of coverage? Always way better mega slot takers?Refrigerate is a good ability.120 in special and physical attacks is enough to hit hard with a 30% boost.Inner Focus prevents fakeout before megaing.And given your frailty, counterplaying with Explosion if they do nearly kill you isn't bad either, it's basically a poor man's D-bond.
>>59165320Huh. Verbal slip?
campaignshitter tip of the day: Ice Rider Calyrex is fast and has poor defensive stats
>>59165793>Ice Rider Calyrex is fastIts speed stat is 50
>>59165793120 BP spread move on a 180 attack mon makes it a defensive support/stall mon?
>>59164657>>59164742>>59164763>>59165793oh he’s MAD mad
>>59165793>580 BST not enough, needs a mega-esque extra typing and extra +100 to non-HP BST buff way up into the box legend stratosphere AND a 120BP 100% accurate no debuff or recoil signature move and handicap trick room access AND STILL needs a broken signature double-ability to both turn off Yache plus Moxie boostan on top to be relevant, Glastrier by itself is ZU.Not an exception to the rule. You're looking at a mamoswine case and baxcalibur case fusion cranked to 11.I'm not saying it's totally impossible to make a usable slow bulky ice type. But I am saying ice sweepers happen almost effortlessly, while for this slow bulky template GF keeps trying to force it generally takes extreme measures that would make any other defensive typing absolutely bonkers. A hypothetical Caly-Ice swapped to be Steel-Fairy would be straight to AG do not pass go do not collect $200. Instead, as a slow bulky Ice Psychic it's the lower tiered of the two RiderCalys because it's such a bad strategy for the typing that it pulls it back down into Ubers.
>>59163523I’m surprised there’s no campaignshitter buzzword there, to be honest.
>>59165709>Why IS mega glalie the exception?Most megas kill more than one pokemon and not themselvesGlalie in general suffers from dogshit stat distribution and bad typing making it mediocre at everything. Mega giving it some sort of suicidal niche doesn't really matter.
campaignshitter tip of the day: mawile and tinkaton aren’t shitmons because they’re fairy and steel type, and zacian/magearna absolutely do not have extreme measures that make them good
>>59166180>A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".
>>59166180Yeah Tinkaton is not a shitmon, and Magearna without its S-Tier typing would be just a decently bulky attacker like Primarina
campaignshitter tip of the day: Tinkaton is not a shitmon
>>59166194>Magearna without its S-Tier typing would be just a decently bulky attacker like PrimarinaNah Shift Gear is still insane
>>59166197Tinkaton is a cutemon.
>>59166180Mega Mawile tho
>>59166215This. Being handed a special snowflake shill form that gives +100 stats and an ability that doubles the attack stat isn’t an extreme measure.
>>59166244Yeah, only shitmons get that sort of treatment
>>59162520The Def boost in hail/snow is good, all it needs now is another resistance that isn't itself. There's very little merit to increased defense if you're still taking double or quadruple damage from almost everythingGround or flying would be good resists
>>59162520the only thing holding back Ice types is the insane lack of resistances. even stealth rock isn't a big deal now that boots exist.proposition: make Ice types resist Water and Flying; suddenly Ice is a good type
>>59167189Seconded, add Normal too just so Ice can at least match Rock/Steel
