Why are some people playing this over showdown? Just the novelty?
>>59164785The presentation mainly
>>59164785Showdown is for tryhards and faggots
>>59164785Because showdown is fir third worlders
>>59164785I've already deleted Champions
Because I don't want to look at shitty static sprites with the same 5 battle tracks that don't loop correctly all the time.
>>59164785Not playing fanfic metas with perfect IV spreads
>>59164785Because it's fun.>Nooo, but muh favorite Fuckchuck is not in the game!It's a live service game, they will be slowly drip feeding the content and it's by design. It's your responsibility to grind VPs for inevitable limited time gacha and new items... or paying like a good piggie.
>>59164785I only play Showdown for randbats and FFA.
>>59164863>he bought champions
>>59164785Champions is already on Showdown, so if you wanted to just play Champions and don’t give a fuck about cosmetics, you have no reason to play Champions
>>59164785I want to learn vgc and that's where people are playing rn also yeah presentation matters a lot
>>59164872The game is free and grind is easy.Albeit I must confess that I bought starter pack because it kind of dealt with my biggest gripe that is limited box space. Still I hope that they gonna increase is eventually or introduce some kind of option to turn unused Pokemon into VPs or something because even 85 will eventually be not enough, I think.
>>59164906The return function doesn't give you VP back? Jesus christ
>>59164910Bro your pokemon go?
>>59164785Assuming I dropped Showdowns for this dogshit Battle Simulator from fucking ILCA of all people
>>59164785Showdown didn't have a champions metagame until yesterday. Now people will start moving back
>>59164943Even then I still wouldn't play Champions Meta game, but Based of them for already adding it
>>59164785I get to use my old mons I caught and trained over the years in stead of soulless proxies.
>>59164785because the switch has no games
>>59164785Make Champions more accessible and I will play the shit out of it.
>>59164785blind brand loyalty, AKA the reason for all things Pokemon
>>59164943hahahahahah
>>59164943The only people still playing Champions are massive retards, they aren't moving back.
>>59164785I'm already insanely bored of Champions Metagame
>>59164785Realistically because Champions is an actual game while Showdown is a simulator >Champions-has actual game progression -Character customization -Better graphics -More choices for soundtracks -Promise of a meta that will change and add new things in the future >Showdown -Ultimate level of accessibility -0 cost to build any team you want -More gamemodes-huge pool of Pokemon and moves Nowadays I just use Showdown to Theory craft teams.Champions feels more rewarding when you reach a milestone because it's designed around player progression.
>>59165382>-Better graphicslolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwJ83RhbBsU
showdown is just for theory crafting and test piloting.and really the only reason I use it now is because Champions isn't on my phone yet.
>>59164943>Who cares about champions when you have showdown?>Showdown has champions meta no reason to play the gameWhat the fuck are you talking about
Did Showdown implemented the bugs too?
>>59165393Championsbros I don't feel so good
>>59165430Unfortunately not. Only Game Freak is capable of that.
>>59165393>please sue us into oblivion Nintendolol
>>59165393This looks so clean
>>59164785I always preferred to play on cart, even when showdown is an option. I like using my actual pokemon that I have kept with me since high school (I am 32 right now). I don't like dealing with the autistic Smogon tiers telling me what I am and am not allowed to use. The tiers are helpful only in an environment where all my opponents will be using legendaries and ultra beasts. Currently, on pokemon champions, all those pokemon are banned, so I can still use all my actual bros and have a good time and still be competitive. I'll stop using champions once they start allowing full teams of legendary bullshit and the game stops being fun.
>>59165393This is legitimately Icarus tier lmao
>>59164785New toy syndrome. People will switch back once the game gets boring like it already has for me. Nothing to do once you hit master rank.
>>59165393Now THIS is a battle simulator hub
>>59165393That's cool but... You know, Champions still looks better...
>>59165393Based ShowdownChads
>>59164847>5 battle tracksVs. Trainer (Diamond / Pearl)Vs. Rival (Diamond / Pearl)Vs. Johto Trainer (HeartGold / SoulSilver)Vs. Kanto Trainer (HeartGold / SoulSilver)Vs. Trainer (Black / White)Vs. Cheren/Bianca (Black / White)Vs. Subway Trainer (Black / White)Vs. Rival (Black 2 / White 2)Vs. Kanto Gym Leader (Black 2 / White 2)Vs. Trainer (X / Y)Vs. Rival (X / Y)Vs. Trainer (Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire)Vs. Brendan/May (Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire)Vs. Trainer (Sun / Moon)Vs. Hau (Sun / Moon)Where are you getting 5, Anon? I can also see both of Miror B's battle themes, the Virbank Gym theme, and the Alolan Elite Four + Solgaleo/Lunala remix from SSB Ultimate in the music directory, although I've never heard any of them play in a battle before.
>>59164874Imagine explaining to normal people that you can play spreadsheet pokemon on the computer and it's just as good if not better I promise lmfao
>>59164785The current limitations make it non-autistic and relatively non-retarded. I can already tell I'll not stick to it but I am having fun for now. Also I wanted to see what Kitt looks like in-game.I loathe all battle gimmicks so I'll probably give it another shot when they come up with a season with mega-evolutions banned.
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>>59165393c and d coming very soon
>>59166179Is she drinking horse semen?
>>59164785because showdown looks and feels like complete dogshitthe only reasons people put up with this garbage are not wanting to slog through another terrible game and not wanting to spend an entire week to get a single mon battle readychampions solved both of these problems
>>59165393Damn..............
Smogon is for bitchesMost shit that's banned is probably from some mod that got btfo by that shit and banned it.
>>59165336Showdown has best of three open team sheet, and you can iterate on teams faster in Showdown. Much like SV, people will practice in Showdown, then prepare their team in the real game for tournaments.
>>59166259>Smogon removes mega metagross and salamenceCringe shit fanfic format>Gamefreak removes mega metagross and salamenceBased af can't wait for this lower power format
it's weird that the don't do 6v6 ladder battles.it's literally giving showdown an out.but the novelty of champions is that it's an actual pokemon game, and the actual decent gacha aspect...and the fact that you have some ownership of the mons.showdown at the end of the day is just a spread sheet.
>>59166298The game have never supported a 6v6 ladder, but yes it is odd there's no option for custom battles in private rooms. Hopefully it's added. There are a number of features that should be added; replays, open team sheet support, best of three support.
>>59164785I don't get why these kind of games don't have faster seasons at the beginning.
>>59166311add 60 fps for swtich 2 as well
>>59164862but enough about showdown
>>59165393That's funny. I've been considering getting back into comp but Showdown is too ugly, I need the 2D sprites option for it to not look like ass. This is a pretty cool mod for people like me.
I wanna try this team, what kinda EV spread do you use on Aegislash? I have no idea how it works with the stance change. Don't mind the rest of the EVs too much.Also need to find the 4th move for aegislash and aerodactyl.
>>59165393This still looks like ass though
>>59164785Showdown has a lot of dumb rules I don't agree with
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Gamefreak is shutting down Showdown isn't?
Because of tribalism."us" is the people latching onto the "official" battle sim regardless of actual quality, #thankyougamefreak, the true pokemon fans, would never play third party and are "winning""them" is those who play pokemon showdown, not real pokemon, landorus-therian simulator, smogon bad, probably smells bad too, they are "losing"Champions could have released with 20 pokemon and the only held item being iron ball and they'd have defended it to the grave because that is what "us" do and if you don't do that, you're "them"That's all it is.That's all it has ever been.
>>59164785I'll let you in on a secret: the launch month is the absolute best time to play any video game released after 2014. Even if it's steaming dogshit, it's better han playing an already solved game you (hopefully) and everyone else knows.
>>59166540TPC has had a very close eye on Showdown for years now. If it was getting shut down, it would have been already, Champions has been out long enough. There is no value to be gained from killing Showdown, people are still playing Champions and another simulator would eventually take Showdown's place.
>>59164874>If you wanted to play Champions you have no reason to play Championsretard
>>59166540Showdown is too important to the tertiary marketing of the franchise, and trying to keep simulators of publicly available algorithms off the internet is a financial black hole. TPC genuinely has more reason to go after random fan artists than showdown.
>>59164874Actual answer: different userbase
>>59165393Looks better than Champions
>>59164847>I don't want to look at shitty static spritesYou'd rather look at shitty static models instead?
>>59166581What exact reason do you have to play Pokemon Champions itself when Showdown has the same gameplay?
>>59165954Luckily I only have to explain to them that there is a free browser based simulator that mimics the gameplay of battling in Pokemon with multiple enhancements.
>>59164785Buy an ad and nobody wants to play with brown people.
>>59166550Posted by someone encouraging tribalism.
>>59165393You're delusional if you think that looks better
>>59165393Showdown Won
>>59167177and nobody will be sold by your speech because champions is free too kek
>>59164785>why are some people playing an actual game where you can actually yield results from your battles instead of a simulation?Gee, I wonder why
I don't get who this game is for either.If you like competitive battling play showdown. Its fairer, faster, and has a lower barrier of entry.If you care about the presentation (lol) just play the other games? Like what function does this serve that couldn't be patched into the main games? It feels like corporate SaaS ecosystem bullshit.
Arguing about Showdown being good is like trying to convince your group that it's totally okay to make decks chock full of placeholders
>>59167392>actually yield resultsDopamine hit go brrrr
Why is there so much vested interest in /vp/ to make showdown le better than champions? Is there not enough players anymore to get a game going on showdown lmao?
having to roll for mons is kinda fun
>>59167396>dude don't play this game that is literally stated to be the centerpiece of Pokemon competitive!Not too bright, are (you)?
>>59167426Agreed. It's kind of like a roguelike where you pick the best option out of the 10
>>59167407Proxying is incredibly common in casual commander groups. Most people don't give a shit as long as you keep your decks power in check.Events always have no proxy rules because stores want your money, but commander players don't give a shit about prizes either, they actually just enjoy the game.
>>59167430>Most people don't give a shit as long as you keep your decks power in check.KEK so you have to make yourself weaker or else they then go nuh uh ur proxies are proxying cards that are too good!!! holy garbage politics
Bringing up Showdown is always funny because of the retards that get livid for it still existing
>>59167434Commander has an entire bracket system to classify deck strength because it leads to better games when decks are of roughly even strength.
>>59167435It's the other way round. The OP literally asked why people chose Champions over Showdown, as if to suggest the latter is better (in their mind)
>>59167449>Commander has an entire bracket system to classify deck strengthSounds like smogon talk on a mode that's literally kitchen Magic
>>59167426>>59167429Gacha is effective because of the psychology, but its a shit system for competitive games. Like imagine a fighting game where characters and moves are locked behind a gacha system.
>>59167464pokemon's a clown game and people who take it seriously competitively are sillyI just raped my way through great ball rank because Sneasler and Kingambit autowin 70% of games
>>59167464So Zappa from Guilty Gear?
>>59167463Yes kind of, but stuff like "don't bring ubers to little cup" is entirely reasonable, which is the point of the system
Why didn't they make a Pokemon Stadium 3 with fun and goofy mini games you can play to get points, various battle facilities, a fun but bare story mode that's just fighting, and of course, the online aspect of just straight up competition? And you could just cut straight to online battles and skip the fluff if you want.Why do you all settle for the bare minimum? You know more could be done.
>>59167575>Why do you all settle for the bare minimum?I'm not giving them cash and this shit is free kek
>>59167575None of those in showdown so why bother?>>59167585This. You don't even need to pay for NSO to run Champions
>>59167177I remember being excited seeing some greasy nerd playing HGSS on his android phone while at work of all places (some contractor) and I approached him showing my 3DS that I use to play Black 2. I told him it's great because of how portable the DS/3DS is and how easily it fits in my pocket and asked him if he had one, my end goal was to see if he wanted to trade/battle since I basically have every game anyway. He gave me the gayest glare and I remember vividly seeing him adjust his fucking hunchback to say "no because I can just play it on my phone". I'm cackling and reminiscing because this is what you sound like, dude.
>>59167592Damn, that's cruel, anon. You shouldn't have styled on a poorfag like that...
>>59166179SPAH'S SAPPIN' MAH DISPENSER
>>59167396>Like what function does this serve that couldn't be patched into the main games?I don't they're going to patch Mega evolution into SwSh and SV anytime soon.
>>59164785For me it's because I'm a collector. I have a bunch of carefully cultivated mons with a good ball, marks, ribbons, etc that I've been wanting to use for so fucking long. It's just not the same just clicking a couple options and making them in showdown. Some of these guys I've hunted hours for and I just want a chance to showcase them
>>59167110Because I want to play Champions, I don't want to play Showdown. Are you actually mentally retarded or just autistic?
I want to play Champions. I don't want to play Showdown.
>>59164785Champions looks boring
>>59168541>autistic brand loyalist calling anyone else mentally retardedebin
>>59167427NTA but even if you are planning to compete in VGC, Showdown is still a better practicing tool as it's still faster and more accessible letting you get in more matches to experiment and familiarise your team before it actually comes time to compete. Champions only matters for when an actual tournament rolls around and all you have to do is make sure your team is ready.Unless you just, really wanna grind those little titles like Watchog Fan I guess.
even showdown HD look like shit, I prefer something official that has unlimited budget than this online garbage, showdown is only good for making teams, hacked mons or practicing
Champions running at 30fps is hilarious
>>59167575I don't think TPC made this game to get much of a return from it. I've been looking at it and it actually seems to be pretty generous for a freenium game. It just exists to be the new place for competitive from now on and nothing more.
>>59168611>unlimited budgetA superbowl ad costs more than your game
>>59164785Nobody knows Showdown exists.
>>59168581It is
>>59168611>unlimited budgetlol. lmao.
>>59168541>Why exactly do you want to eat from a 72 year old man’s leaking asshole?>”Because I wanna!!! You must be autistic for questioning it!”ok?
Showdown bans you if your name your pokemon niggerChampions doesn’t, pretty simple
>>59168611>unlimited budgetLMAO anon. GF themselves spend peanuts on their main game, do you think ILCA or TPC gonna invest genshin/fortnite levels on this shit?
>>59168754Don't worry Nintendo are on their way to brick their Console any minute now
>>59168750That analogy seems oddly specific.Are you trying to project your fetishes onto the rest of us?
>>59168759Cooope
>>59165393looks like shit
>>59167110To get the VP needed to buy any items or team changes you might need for upcoming tournaments. Even if you were taking six Pokemon from Home, you'd still have to tweak their EV spreads to account for the Champions stat system.
>>59169193Fucking delusional, kek
>>59169193They're moving VGC to it, of course it won't "die" as long as the financial backing remains to organize these tournaments.
If they dont bring 6v6 singles online or at all then this will be a drop in the bucket. Gamefreak being Gamefreak, Nintendo being nintendo, they will NEVER outshine Smogon or Pokemonshowdowns sheer longevity and fan backing. Plus, options. Fans are all ABOUT options and customization. When were GF or Nintendo EVER about that? This is a lazy cash grab. It'll die off much like Pokken.
>>59169201your post is shit and you reposting it for dubs doesn't change anything.
>>59169238Idek what that is but you claiming its shit doesn't change anything about my statement.
>>59169201I agree they dropped the ball in game and customization options, but I don't think it's fair to compare it to Pokken, which is a completely different genre to regular pokemon. Even if most casuals drop Champions quickly, it'll have enough people playing it to keep it alive I'm sure, and they outright said they intend for this to be a forever game.
>>591693033v3 singles on a forever competetive that they are supposedly making the official VGC to is unacceptable from the most profitable franchise in human history. Every battle feels so fucking half baked and unsatisfying. As long as they stand by not having 6v6 singles at all, it will never top Showdown, even if it is the official VGC format. That just means the official VGC format is shit. Nothing new from GameFuck, and all the apologists are embarrassing in their staunch defense of muh big corporation mega company's cock. This will never be acceptable. Unbelievable.
>>59169201They should certainly give you the option but 6v6 for ladder is cringe
>>591693616v6 singles is long enough on showdown, which does a lot to speed things up. It would be a nightmare on anything official.3v3 singles is a dogshit format.Honestly thats probably why VGC is doubles
>>59167464It's not really a gacha when all mons have an equal chance to appear
>>59169361Pokemon singles is the most boring slog imaginableI am envious of everyone who has their first experience with showdown and just starts straight into doubles
>>59169290>Idek what that isHoly FUCK I'm surrounded by newfags.
>>59169684Again, that's just your opinion. Lots of people love 6v6 singles and I happen to be one of them.
>>59168603Playing on Showdown won't net you any VP to be spent on further improving your roster
>>59171252uh.. you can just bring them over from another pokemon game. Or gen them like most of them already do anyway lol
>>59171269You cannot gen those items, anon. The proper way is to stock on VP so that you can buy the latest items when they are implemented
>>59165382>>59165393Neither of these scratch the Stadium-like itch I have. I want 3D battles where the moves have SOVLFUL animations. We are still suck in 3DS era stationary 3D mons. Z-A is too shitty and jank, Battle Revolution did it best but we're at gen 10 now and they left it behind with gen 4.
>>59167575PBR is Stadium 3. Then Gamefreak decided they never needed to try to make a cool 3D battle simulator again because the series became 3D after gen 6.
I want to use my own mons that I caught in game, and play in actual competitions. Showdown is fine, but I don't get any sense of reward from playing it.
>>59171252>>59171282I can't tell if this is satire
>>59171312They knew that when they let coliseum have an actual campaign mode.PBR was just an expensive battle frontier, its kind of a shitty product.
>>59171330Since you clearly haven't played the game, you get points called VP whether if you win or lose in Champion. You need VP to do literally everything from recruiting to training to buying items and cosmetics
>>59171350That's understood retard, the reason it's bait is that apparently you think someone would play exclusively champions specifically to get items, assuming you can't transfer the appropriate item in. And that's it. No, dude, it would be trivial to grind for a day or two to get the items and otherwise experiment for months beforehand on showdown.
>>59171556You didn't account for the fact new seasons will bring in new purchases, that's why I mention about stocking up VP in case you already have everything up and running. Experimenting on showdown nets you absolutely nothing
>>59171564>You didn't account for the fact new seasons will bring in new purchases>>59171556>No, dude, it would be trivial to grind for a day or two to get the items and otherwise experiment for months beforehand on showdown.
>>59171567So how many battles are you planning to do during the one two days period before you going back to Showdown?
>>59171564>Experimenting on showdown nets you absolutely nothing>playing the meta with no delay between any small tweaks to stats, items, abilities, movesets, team comp, and literally everything else nets you absolutely nothing.>so you should grind to be able to do all of those things slower insteaddumbass
>>59171570>>59168603>compete in VGCthis is the only reason to use champions. Play in showdown the entire rest of the time apart from the humiliation ritual of getting the specific things it doesn't let you transfer in, that's all.
>>59171572>play showdown>get nothing>play champions>get vpThere is literally no reason to touch showdown.
>>59167426I would agree but the roster is too small and there's no weight or rarity to the pokemon, just pure rng with a big selection chosen. So you can build a meta team easily even if you don't just immediately transfer one over from another game. That and no single player whatsoever kills any potential for a fun progression.An actual gacha system where stronger pokemon are harder to get would have unironically been better. You'd see a ton of variety and creativity as people worked within their means to craft a team with what they had. we could all mock the obvious paypigs with their fully meta rain teams. It would be total jank chaos with stuff like castform being a budget weather setter or masqurain as a low rarity intimidate user.
>>59171572>Experimenting on showdown nets you absolutely nothingYes, it's even worse for pro players when there were times where their test matches were hacked into, giving their opponents full detail of their teams
>>59171582>>play champions>>get vpFucking Kek
>>59164785better presentation and getting to use my actual pokemon
>>59171582>>59171585trolling is against the rules btw
>>59171619Sorry. Still not playing your silly simulation
Official ladder bro
>>59167396>I don't get who this game is for either.It's for people who don't have time to train mons but still want to battle Pokemon in an official setting
If you actually enjoy the experience of playing the game itself why do you need shit like a reward treadmill or "official status"I mean I know the answer is autism and not actually enjoying the game, but if you don't enjoy the process go do something else you actually enjoy
>>59172254>reward treadmillBecause it's fun to feel like you're making progress on something and earning something along the way. Battling is fun, battling and getting rewards from it even more so. I look forward to the day I can run into a fellow trainer on the street and we can have a Pokemon battle then and there using our phones, too
>>59171582>play showdown for 20 minutes>play five games>play champions for 20 minutes>play one gameFor iteration and practicing your team, Showdown is better. Much like SV the best way to make a team for a VGC tournament is to test on Showdown, then, once it's finalized, make it in game.
>>59166298unless you have always online server run games you can always import your pokemon from a spreadsheet
