>best games in the franchise>can't recommend it to anyone because it's a direct sequel to games that are Sun/Moon tier unplayable
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BW>BW2
I juat replayed Pokemon Black and Black 2 back to back. B/W are superior in almost every way. The only advantages thr sequels have are the PWT and the fact that the game asks you if you want to use another repel when the first one wears off. Aside from that, the characters are all dumb as shit and direct downgrades to the B/W.
>>59164934>>best games in the franchiseThe trio is Platinum HGSS PLA
>>59164975>it has worse storyslop so it's bad!
>>59164978>PLAkek, plass is utter dogshit, replace it with literally any other 2 d game.
>>59164934Why are sun/moon unplayable? Was planning on playing those next
>>59164934Neither parts of this statement are true
>>59165003sun is the best game in the series dont listen to retards who say its bad
>>59165087Oh ok cool. Was looking forward to playing it.
>>59164934>best games in the series>killed the series with fusionmon
>>59165125Venustoise
>>59164978>HGSSshiggy
>>59164934Name something great about BW2 that isn't mentioning postgame or buzzwords like soul or effort.
>>59164980If you're refraining from reccomending BW2 to someone because they haven't played BW1, then story is the only reason for this behavior
>>59164934They’re the best games in the franchise, which is why Unova fans immediately start making excuses for all the content the game doesn’t have when you ask them how they’re the best games in the franchise
>>59165261Sovl
>>59164975>10 wild pokemon species (not including dream radar) before badge 1 vs 3>no shit level curve that makes multiple species impossible to fully evolve before the credits without overleveling>team plasma has actual admin battles instead of 50 billion forgettable old men who contribute nothing to the plotwhat are you on man
>>59164978>Emerald>HGSS>B2W2The primary holy trinity.
>>59164978What is the worst third person shooter released in a decade doing on your list of pokemon games?
>>59164934BW are the most playable/replayable games in the series
>>59165261Sure, before you even beat the game you've got a couple fun things to do on the side. Join Avenue is nice to build up, Funfest Missions take advantage of the overworld exploration element of the main gameplay loop in a way that's even interesting solo, Pokestar Studios has a few nice puzzle battles, and PWT provides bad Battle Factory and good Japanese Pokemon Stadium content. If you want to take a break from the main story there's a lot of dynamic and interesting content.
>>59165354BW is the only good game in the franchise. The rest are mediocre RPGs at best that don't do anything interesting with its concepts.
>>59164975This but there's one exception for the characters. Cheren becoming the 1st Gym Leader is just the perfect capstone of his character arc from the first game.
>>59164975Colress alone mogs everyone from BW1
>>59164934After the intro the cutscenes are rarely Gen 7 level bad (mostly because the movement between text is snappy and one of the characters who yaps the most has higher text speed), but holy shit the intro is fucking miserable, like Skyward Sword levels of completely unnecessarily restrictive. Thank fucking god they didn't keep that going for the rest of the game, it's just average JRPG interruptions from that point on. That's understandably not everyone's taste given how little of that Pokemon has before in spite of being a JRPG, but man Gen 7 is fucking miserable about it and doesn't even have the ability to skip cutscenes which was starting to become standard in the early 2010's and was basically unacceptable when SM came out (let alone the Switch titles). It's a shame Gen 7 would actually be fun to replay without them.>>59165503It made his character arc actually have a conclusion that made sense, instead of just kind of leaving it hanging in a really vague way. Like he could have been a number of things and it would be a good capstone (even having him join Interpol would have been mildly workable), it's not like Binaca where if you paid attention you'd know exactly what she'd be doing in B2W2.
>>59165534>it's not like Binaca where if you paid attention you'd know exactly what she'd be doing in B2W2.And yet she was not in my house at the start of BW2
>>59165477I unironically agree, but i don't think you can say that here seriously>>59165523Eh, Colress and Hugh are great, but the overall story doesn't match BW
>>59165580BW's story literally has strawman villains the entire time, the only thing it does differently is focuses on it. Someone like Cyrus is written better than Ghetsis or even N. Ghetsis is just OoT Ganondorf, an obviously bad guy who LUSTS for POWER, you can predict immediately from the outset that N was just being gaslit by him. B2W2 actually shows that there's a side of Team Plasma that DOES care for abused and abandoned Pokémon compared to when it was just N and maybe his nearly non-existent sistersTeam Galactic's grunts are the standard bad guys, but Cyrus is just using them, they're not going into his new world, they're a means to an end. What Cyrus says is technically correct, the imperfect human spirit leads to conflict and suffering. Cyrus is an autist who was left in rooms of machines growing up, he failed to develop human connections and thus made an incomplete conclusion on how to fix things. He didn't recognize the value of spirit because that value was never present in his life. His grandfather feels pity for him, but he's given an ending where he's left in a world without spirit as he himself rages. It's handled surprisingly well. And the implication that Mars followed him because she had feelings for him is the cherry on top. And I also like it when Saturn realizes Cyrus' goals after the fact and disavows them.
>>59164934>>can't recommend it to anyone because it's a direct sequel to games that are Sun/Moon tier unplayableLiterally why not? The story is a downgrade from the first and there's hardly anything to it. People should have no problem playing it.
>>59165652>Ghetsis is just OoT Ganondorf, an obviously bad guy who LUSTS for POWERLike Kefka Palazzo from FFVI, but he's one of the most beloved videogame villains>B2W2 actually shows that there's a side of Team Plasma that DOES care for abused and abandoned Pokémon compared to when it was just N and maybe his nearly non-existent sistersBW1 already has good grunts, but the problem with the writing is that those few grunts only appear at N's Castle>Cyrus is an autist who was left in rooms of machines growing up, he failed to develop human connections and thus made an incomplete conclusion on how to fix things.I agree but that's Platinum only, if BW2 fixed BW story a little, so Platinum did with DP
>>59165003SOS Battles make catching Pokémon a nightmare.Some people don't like cutscenes being in a JRPG.
>>59165680>Some people don't like JRPGsFtfy
>>59165003The real problem is the game is extremely handholdy and linear and railroaded, far more than any previous mainline Pokémon game, and it feels insulting to play, like they see you as stupider than the kids who first played Gen I. You'll always have your town map on your bottom screen with a marker showing your destination, and your Pokédex will actually talk to you and remind you to do it if you aren't doing it. Remember the guy in Pewter City who blocked Route 3 until you beat Brock? Well it's like that the entire game every time you make any sort of progress. Hau or Lillie or the Stoutland girl or Tauros or Olivia or painted gates or whoever will constantly remind you not to go on ahead, you have to do every little unskippable cutscene one by one in a specific order, like the game expects that you'll get lost walking down the completely straight path otherwise. If you didn't actually care about any of the overworlds in any Pokémon games or doing stuff on your own separate from the story, it won't bug you. But for me it was one of the most insulting games I played and killed my interest in Game Freak's stuff going forward, since elements of this had been creeping its way into the games for years by this point. And SwSh is more of the same, except even more rushed with almost nothing for dungeons. Straight paths are a lack of game design except when it's something like a daycare route that gives you a long path to hatch eggs.
>>59164934>>best games in the franchise
>>59165570she was on her way
>>59165674>BW1 already has good grunts, but the problem with the writing is that those few grunts only appear at N's CastleSTOP MASHING THROUGH POST-BATTLE DIALOGSeriously, you see it as early as the desert and maybe Pinwheel IIRC
>>59165844Really? Then BW is well written and you're right we should all read better
>>59165297thank you, about time someone mentioned the actual Trinity, without including Sinnoh garbage
