>is given everything under the sun while the others were intentionally sabotaged to ensure it's shillmon status>still flops
>>59165729PFFFFFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>59165729>given everything under the sunCARLOS
>>59165729>Waste 10 stats in atkThe new gen megas are all real sub-par compare to the originals. They should've brought them up to the powerlevel of the originals considering how much powercreep has happened after megas were added.
>>59165729Meganium flopped twiceEmbort flopped thrice
>>59165745You act like this wasn’t also a problem back in 2013 and that half of the megas weren’t fucking useless
>>59165729The ability is an interesting gimmick but it gets bullied too hard by Fire types and Gengar. 80 is a bad speed tier.
>>59165729Tried telling Meganium shitters it wasn't going to ne that good, also that its not a shillmon
>>59165745>Gets SIXTY points of SPA>Firing off free Solarbeams and 150 BP Weather Balls>STILL feels a bit weakGod this thing is trash
>>59165757It's been 13 years and 2 generations of certain megas dominating the meta, they should've learned how to not fuck them up.Meganium got the best end of the deal too, even with such a broken ability it's still not making it because the original was so bad. Could always be excadril and get 15 sp.atk and an ability downgrade or whatever the fuck happened with malamar and pyroar,
>>59165863>they should've learned how to not fuck them up.Game Freak has zero idea what they're doing competitively.They gave Incineroar Intimidate to shaft it, and created the single most dominant VGC pokemon of all time. They created Dondozo and were surprised when two unkillable fatass catfish humping eachother until they develop an anal fissure happened afterwards. They nerfed dragon by introducing Fairy, then all the best dragons just shrugged and started running Iron HeadThat's why Doubles is the official format. The inherent chaos of doubles masks how badly the games are balanced.
>>59165886>dude let's give aegislash the same sp atk as it does atk and give it great special moves>yo y tf r people running special aegislash where is their aromatisseTheir comments on balance and what they expected to be good during XY was some of the funniest shit that really exposed how little they know, which is really ironic considering they did a much better job then than they do now
>>59165754>Meganium flopped twiceFour times1. GS2. C3. HGSS4. ZA
>>59165886>what they're doing competitively.They do considering how ultra beasts and than paradox mons were stat'd like this. Most of them are built for competitive perfection with complete minmaxing and an ideal movepool to pair They've had over a decade of info on how to upgrade megas from before and they went and made most of the new ones WORSE than the originals. What is the point when gengar, and later salamence/metagross show up and run the game again. Even mega meowstic is literally just a poor mans mega alakazam in every single aspect
>>59165745Thats happen with all megas, mega gardevoir as 20+ on attack
>>59165923Oh and those are stats without having an ability essentiallyNot only did they fuck up stats on the new megas, they often gave them near worthless abilities to boot. To the point their originals are better on some of them. The only old mega where that's the case is gallade but that's only AFTER it got sharpness, which was added after megas were removed
>>59165945Yeah they should've learned, especially on absolute shitmons like meganium who need every ounce they can get. Pyroar needed an identity, not +20 to every statHow can you make filler stats like gardevoir/megnaium attack when releasing minmax shit like fluttermane, roaring moon, iron bundle, iron hands, iron valiant etc >>59165923. It's your mega, once per team gimmick. It should be far better than "normal" pokemon
>>59165895>Aegislash has way better physical moves than special>aromatisse has built in taunt proofThese weren’t unreasonable thoughts they just didn’t work out because of certain details they overlooked like for Aegislash that was when special moves were basically strictly better than physical
>>59165946>The only old mega where that's the caseAudinoRegenerator for whatever shitfuck doubles only ability Mega Audino has is godawful. Garchomp, to an extent. Rough Skin is pretty good, Sand Force is a fucking meme. Mega Sharpedo technically, but Speed Boost and Intimidate get a pass since they're great abilities to have on something that will Mega them away.
>>59165961Yeah, but you know smarr indie studio
>>59165729You're using it wrong. It's supposed to be defensive like normal Meganium sets.
>>59165996Lol
>ShillmonYou don't know what that means
>>59165729>BUT IN RAIN Dragonite.>BUT IN SUNCharizard.>BUT IN SNOWFroslass.>BUT IN SPEED CONTROLGlimmora.>BUT IN BULKY OFFENSEVenusaur. >BUT IN FAIRY COVERAGEFloette
Meganium helped me get to master ball rank in singles. It isn't that bad
>>59166150It means a pokemkn that gets extra shilling, like a mega, especially a mega with a unique ability designed counter the meta, like say Mega Sol.
>dodged the ZA mega bulletHE won
>252 Atk Choice Band Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Meganium-Mega: 564-664 (186.7 - 219.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO>252 Atk Choice Band Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Meganium-Mega: 282-332 (93.3 - 109.9%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
>>59166176Second being if it didn't get fucking Fairy typing by the way
>>59166151>mogs your Zard>mogs your PelipperI tried Wolfey's setup (calm mind paired with speed swap + screens Alakazam) and this thing even wins against Dragonite and Floette.
>>59165729because the other to are, and will always be, cooler
>>59165778the kicker, Meganium is a easily a top 5 ZA mega, the bar is just that low. its 3% usage is more than Skibidi and WorseThanAssaultVestEmboar combined. MegaMeg could have been relevant had it been released back in Gen 6, the other two would have never been good >>59166161in retrospect, ZA megas being a humiliation ritual in terms of viability was forseen
>>59165729Unironically the Fairy typing hurts Mega Meganium more than helps it, especially currently when Urshifu isn’t in the game and Gengar and Sneasler are running around.That bulk and power is completely meaningless if you can easily outspeed and KO Meganium anyways with a half decent Poison move that’s x4 effective now. Not only that, but Fairy pairs awfully with Grass offensively. It only hits Dragon for super effective damage and shares 3 resistances. In fact everything that resists Fairy also resists Grass too.
>>59165745>Swords Dance/Curse>Solar Blade>Earthquake/Zen Headbutt/Knock Off/Body PressMegainum has a decent physical movepool tho
>>59166151>>BUT IN RAIN >DragoniteMeganium with Pelliper just go amazingly well together in doubles.
>>59166157Welp it's a Failed Shillmon then
>>59166241>92 base attack>most types weak to grass and meganium's coverage are physically defensiveSpecial atk was chosen for a reason
>>59166073The only reason you're calling MegaAnium shit is because it doesn't have Ogerpon-W and Paradox Pokemon to wall, which defensive MegaAnium absolutely does. It was made for Gen 9 OU.>>59166181You can just run max hp. Nothing is going to love those Solarbeams regardless. The most important thing Meganium wants to use Mega Sol for is Synthesis.
>>59166206Meganium getting to that usage in a meta stacked so far against it is honestly impressive, considering it used to be THE worst starter in battle by a wide margin.
>>59166320>OUIt was made for gen 9 period. Beats Urshifu, beats Ogerpon-W (the most common in VGC), beats Miraidon, beats Raging Bolt, and trumps Dondozo especially easily. Once poison: the meta subsides and we get more options, we'll see how it fares.
>>59165757honestly only a handful of the original megas were outright bad. Banette, Audino, Houndoom?, Glalie? Any others? Most were still usable in OU, even subpar ones like abomasnow, tyranitar, or camerupt.
>IT FLOPPED GUISE TRUST MENo it didn't.
How's it feel knowing it's outclassed as a sun setter by a pokemon without a weather ability?
>>59166407>>>>using mega meganium as a sun setter
>>59166161I'd rather my favorite get a regional form over a mega any fucking day of the week. God if Legends Galar is real I hope whatever starters they go with get regionals again and not solely dynamax forms (and if they must at least make it not infernape).
>>59166435>id rather my favorite get outright replaced by a new mon that outclasses it in every way than have my fav mon have an optional super saiyan form that gives relevance to the original monThis is cuckoldry.
>>591658995 times. Its dream world hidden ability from Black and White counts
>3% of all teamsI dunno man, that sounds like a win to me. Think about how many mons it had to beat out to even get to that point. A small win is still a win.
>>59166441Being stuck in shitty ass champions isn't relevance
>>59166435>I'd rather my favorite get a regionalWhy? It's not even your favorite at that point, just some other mon cosplaying as it while your actual bro is still terrible.Crossgens > megas >>>>> regionalshit
>>59166474>implying it won't return in later games
>>59166474Champions is VGC now. If a mon isn't relevant to the main campaign, Gamefreak isn't coding it in WW and onward. Simple as. This will apply to past gen regionals like Clodsire, A-Exeggutor, and Sneasler too>b-but they have to because it's tied to an evo line programmed into the gamePLA already showed they're willing to dexcut alt forms from other regions if they aren't relevant to the story. Regular Decidueye and Goodra aren't even in the game for example.
>>59165895>Their comments on balanceLink?
>>59166441>>59166475>getting more iterations of a design you already like is le bad actuallyTypedo fans spotted
>>59165729>shillmonWords used to mean something.
>>59165923>roaring moon in uberswhen did that happeni'm sure it was OU for a whilei guess most of the gen 9 face smashers became ubers eventually since nothing reliably stopped any of hem
>>59166176>Pokemon dies to its countersHoly shit anonMaybe you should switch out
>>59166566>Countersyou mean>Pokemon dies to common threat that isn't there to deal with Meganium in the first place
>>59166551please see >>59166157>>59166515the first "typedo fan'' in this thread seems satisfied with getting a regional than a mega,>>59166161 so why assume that the people shitting on regionals are "typedo fan'?>>59166153a mega has to be more than "Not that bad", that's the problem. I'd even say mega meganium is a great pokemon, but its competition is just too stiff. Megas are such a shit mechanic
>>59166588>Pokemon literally existed before Mega Meganium in the first place>uuhhh yeah it's not even there to counter it looooolWas this supposed to be some sick burn or something? Does that someone change that it does counter? Why are you a brainlet
>>59166588considering how much meganium was hyped up it very likely was
>>59166254This, failed before it even began lmao
>>59166599>so why assume that the people shitting on regionals are "typedo fan'?Typedors are the only ones who hate regionals because theirs helped expose the creepy rapist that is typedo. The one you linked is simply trying to cope with being left out of ZA by being sour grapes about the new megas (a typical tactic of theirs)
>>59166625>Typedors [schizobabble]go back>ZA by being sour grapes about the new megasyeah being left out of becoming a skibidi, getting a useless mega, and being stuck in fucking Fr*nce
meganium wvn
>>59166515Fuck no. I'm mad that my boy Weezing got replaced. Regionals were a mistake.
>>59166685Weezing is actually a hilarious reverse replacement where its regional form gave the original a better ability to the point where it became relevant again
>>59166697KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO privilege
Can this board shut the fuck up about Mega Meganium?
>>59166515My favorite mon got a regional and I’m pretty firmly apathetic on it. To date I haven’t seen one that does anything interesting with the concept outside of Exeggutor.
>>59166715No. Whenever MegaMeganium’s not on in the catalog, all the anons should be asking, "where's MegaMeganium”?
>>59166723>where's MegaMeganiumBeing used by people who actually like it and know how to build a team around its weaknesses.You are being such absolute bucks over a single mega evolution to the point it's an unhealthy obsession.
where's mega emboar
>>59166768in the trash
>>59166723>"where's MegaMeganium”?In the trash with Emboar.
Pokémon fucking sucks.All this shit is exhausting.It's just constant "Why did they ruin it? Not only did they screw up the one chance to make this thing cool, but they also retroactively made the old good things bad."High cortisol hobby.
Honestly people say Mega Meganium's damage is low but with the amount of seething it's existence causes(to the point people will rally against it,) I think it must have pretty good damage.
>>59166768>make a Fire-type with Mold Breaker>don't include any of the things it was designed to checkHeatran and Baxcalibur even got Mega evolutions, there's no excuse. This'll be even funnier if Ogrepon-HF gets in making Emboar not even get a chance to shine
>>59166901In MasterBall tier, Mega Meganium hits like a wet noodle, I honestly look forward to when some retard has it.
>>59166500That only ever applied to PLA.
>>59166478>Implying megashit will ever return
>>59165923Damn, the future Paradoxes sucks.
>>59167062Never underestimate Gamefreak's ability to cut features. The idea of a dexcut in general was laughable before it happened. If they did it once, it means they're testing the waters to push it further. >PLA cuts forms based on region>SV introduces only two regional variants>ZA introduces zeroDon't be shocked if they do nothing with the concept or outright cut several of them in Winds and Waves.
>>59167092Regarding ZA that’s cause we were revisiting a region, not going to a new one. Think you’re calling it way too early, and it’s a bit weird to think that’ll even happen in the first place
Why are people so proud of Mega Meganium not being as good as other mega evolutions?What kind of faggy pride is this?
>>59167188Starters wars. Feraligatr was mocked for the design and Emboar for its ability, so now Meganium is next up when it didn’t live up to whatever competitive hopes people had.
>>59165778wait, why is Weather Ball 150 BP? does Mega Sol give sunlight boost to fire attacks? that's actually pretty good.
>>59167204>that's actually pretty good.Good luck trying to shed some positivity on Mega Meganium in a circlejerk thread dedicated to shitting on it.
>>59167204Yes, did you not read what the ability does? Makes every move act as if sun’s out.
>>59167210I didn't think it affected the actual sun damage boost since that effect isn't inherent to the attacks like solar beam or weather ball's effects. Might try it on showdown just as a check to other grass types.
>>59167203meganium still won compared to those two considering those two aren't used at all. it only lost compared to the big shillmons because being anti weather makes you anti-sun, being anti sun makes you anti CHARIZARD, and that is not alllowed.
>>59167188Meganiumfags talked alot of shit about it being the next shillmon just for it to flop again.
>>59167249No they didn'tYou got schooled by one person and then took it out on everyone
>>59165923It's a mystery how GF balances shit.Half of the time they do and say all sort of retarded bullshit but then they turn around and create abominations like Flutter Mane.Half of the time it's accidents, like, I'm sure they didn't think Mega Mom would be OP, but half of the time you can tell they made a OP motherfucker on purpose like Urshifu or the horses or right now Mega Floette. It feels like they only get on their asses to make good things when they can paywall it. It's random bullshit go and a coinflip otherwise.
>got a kino ability that's also pretty damn strong>has an actual competitive niche now, more used than the other two ZA starters (and Typhlosion)>this is supposed to be a loss somehowI dunno guys, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm not asking for my bro to be meta-defining, I'm just happy he gets to be in the big leagues at all.I'd say we're eating pretty good.
>>59168218If the fucker released at any time during gen 9 you'd have smogon kids begging for it to be banned for folding 70% of OU.
>>59168280I have a feeling it's gonna see more use as the meta evolves. And even if it doesn't, I'm quite happy where we are.
>>59165729Lol shitmon
>>59168288If it does then /vp/ is going to ACK.Raging Bolt is going to be Meganium's submissive
>>59166625what does a regional have to do with some leaks
>>59168367Nothing, she’s a projecting pedo rambling and deflecting. Just ignore her
>>59165729If she cant even do anything with only 186 Pokemon in the game, wew lad when the other mons come
>>59168389The thing is that this selection of Pokemon happened to create a sun meta, and the big thing Mega Meganium has going for it is that it's designed specifically not to be on sun teams while still getting the benefits of sunlight. This ultimately means it struggles against sun teams.When there's more mons and sun teams fall out of the spotlight, I expect Mega Meganium to shine a lot more. It has niche use even now and shows a lot of promise.
>>59168458>When there's more mons and sun teams fall out of the spotlight, I expect Mega Meg....Floette to shine more. Not Meganium, take a look at everything Meganium "POTENTIALLY" deals with. Floette does it better. Meganium is barely slow enough to get beaten by almost everything
>>59168923Its hilarious how hard the ZA Megas failed, oh well
>>59168923If you have no control over what gets big and what flops, why even bother forcing popularity given that you literally can’t? It’s not you who decides what gets popular, that’s up to the people
Its head looks removable, like a small plastic toy.
>>59168923M-Greninja is the one that got fucked, have the chance to give it anything and they chose a worse version of Ash-Greninja. Just look how they dumped its stats. If it got 10 more into speed it could have gotten troll-speed against the eventual Lucario Z and Garchomp Z menace, they did it on purpose
>>59165729Meganigger flopped? AGAIN?
>>59168923>Given everything under the Sun>Mega GreninjaThe only thing it wanted was that speed stat. Everything else about it is dogshit.
>>59167179We revisited Sinnoh in PLA, but that didn't stop them from retroactively adding in regional forms.
>>59166561When it started using tera flying acrobatics and tera blast fairy it got out of hand Turns out tera is a broken gimmick when you can suddenly change your weaknesses. Champions has already proven that with how much worse kingambit is, you know you can always fighting hit it now.
>>59168923Even though it's weaker than life orb/specs I still think mega greninjas fine. It's one of the fastest megas and ties with dragapult. Outspeeds and ohkos mega gengar. U-turns hit almost 50% harder on timid. It's just a boring more than anything
>Lead T-tar(white herb) + Farigiraf into the enemies Incin whimsicott>They actually click tail wind and fakeout>Into my trick room rock slideMasterball everybody!
>>59166161Now he'll get all the underage girls he wants!
>>59168218copium
>>59165760>80 is a bad speed tier.Yet people $0¥ over Archaludon.
>>59169733Half the time masterball feels like it can be summed up as someone knowing what you’re going to do, thinking you know that they know, and expecting you to do something to counter them knowing and trying to outplay that thus losing.>oh a perish team? Kukuku you know I have Delphox that outspeeds and KO’s Gengar, so you won’t bring it, thus I won’t bring my Delphox!
What are you going to do, nail Mega Meganium to a cross?
From my usage of it in the singles ladder, M-Meganium is honestly pretty good overall. It just suffers immensely from Charizard-Y, Sneaseler, and Archaludon being some of the used mons currently. Grass/Fire/Fairy is a very strong move combo and it just melts teams on the slower side.
>>59170378>From my usage of it in the singles ladder, M-Meganium is honestly pretty good overall. It just suffers immensely from Charizard-Y, Sneaseler, and Archaludon being some of the used mons currently.Oh look, someone ITT being reasonable.
>>59165729>>59165734>gengar used sludge wave
>>59170780Why would Gengar use Sludge Wave on another Gengar?
>>59165745>the powerlevel of the originalsPlant starter megas have always been mediocre/shit esp in doubles
>>59170378I've only seen like 1 Mega Meganium in about 70 battles in BSS so far
I have been frozen more than I've been slept/parad/burned combined since launch.Ain't nobody using status mons for anything.I barely even see willowisp
Sisters...What the FUCK is this?
>>59171711MEGODNIUM NAYSAYER SISSIES.... WE GOT TOO COCKY
