The most used Pokémon in singles and doubles in Champion
GarchompGODS.It's no wonder she's the strongest Champion's Ace.
>>59168416You mean Gardevoir? It’s easy to get them confused as they share the first 3 letters.
>>59168412I’m surprised dragonite isn’t up there considering it’s good and free especially if Hydreigon is finding success. Too much sand?
>>59168412>2 sexy Pokemon at the top of eachBased
>>59168412This meta sucks
>>59168416I think you mean Incineroar, got that Number 1 spot and is Kukui's ace.
Kujo summing ritual anyone?
>>59168412Dragapultbros... what is this?
I'll give it five minutes until the thread is flooded with shitposting over Meganium or "le cartoon animals".
>>59168418Gardevoir is not even on the list, blindbro.>>59168432If you average both lists, Garchomp is the best overall.>>59168420Dragonite is a Tera Normal merchant and on 3vs3 immediate power is preferable to bulky set-up style which is its niche.>>59168430B-B-But it's low powerlevel! Gutting all the items and mons means more le variety!
>>59168430I dont play the meta so I dont care
>>59168455Meganite isn’t better than Tera? What a mechanic
>>59168412ZA Starter bros....
>>59168476You're only posting this to shit up the thread.
>>59168443I’m honestly surprised I haven’t ran into any coaching Sneasler+dragapult I remember that being a good combo
>>59168483
>>59168455>B-B-But it's low powerlevel! Gutting all the items and mons means more le variety!Turns out that this isn't how you buff Furfrou.It's the second coming of Game Freak trying to curb the powercreep in gen 7 by making everything slow.
>>59168430As soon as I reached Master Rank I stopped playing
>>59168412>2 hisuian evolution in the top 10>0(zero) za mega in the top 10another victory for kinnoh and pathetic defeat for kalass
>>59168412>incineroar is the face of doubles>prima is top notch in singles>the school shooter owl got mogged by a fucking teacupKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>59168502gee, it’s almost like it was regionally replaced for a reason or something
>>59168412Pokemon ZA was a mistake
>>59168510>not making a powercreeped shovelware game like plass that only exist to make compchads waste money on a single player spinoff in order to win…LE BAD!ZA detractors are funny
>>59168519I wouldn't wish that garbage on my worst enemy.
>>59168510why
I'm tired of using Corviknight, he's like the only good defogger in this fucking game full of Glimmora and Samurott Hisui. I will use Defog Hawlucha just to feel something.
>>59168476Mega feraligatr deletes most of that list, so no it doesn’t suck.
>>59168560>Not in the top 10Its a shitmon
>>59168412Congrats are in order for Primarina and Hippowdon I feel.
>>59168560>s-skibidi is totally viable goys trust meyeah sure Kujo
>>59168510? there aren't even Z-A megas in the list (Garchomp Z not yet available)
>>59168412I remember when tards here were saying ZA Megas would be broken, then their abilities were shown lol, guess we'll have to wait for the 2nd batch of ZA Megas to drop (fuck this drip feed cobtent)
lol where is dragonite?
>>59168430>gut a lot of strong Pokemon>keep Incineroar and Arch>cut Salamence but keep Gengar>let fucking Sneasler and Sinistea inwhy
>>59168596>cubchoo used icy wind
>>59168590It all started with Multiscale Mega Dragonite, when they showed that I knew it was downhill from there with the ZA Mega Evos
>>59168519what's wrong with having usable pokemon instead of shitmon in a game
>>59168582> there aren't even Z-A megas in the listThat’s exactly the problem. All the new mon it introduced (if you can even count mega as new mons) are worthless shitmons that get mogged by regular evolution and regional forms.this whole game is an humiliation ritual
So is the idea to make your ideal pokemon in Scarlet/Violet/ZA with the perfect IVs, EVs, moves and items, and then transfer them to Home and then to Champions?Or can you make the perfectly stated team right from Champions? I just downloaded it but I'm not sure what the gameplan is here.
>>59168412>Make new megas>None of the new megas are here
>>59168638>he doesn’t knowPokémon IV stats reset when transfered to champion
>>59168641>nooooo! where is my pay2win powercreep?!
>>59168621It will be the last onecompfags have no reason to ever buy another pokemon game again now
>>59168638If it's convenient to train them and add moves in other games, do it. But Champions is pretty generous with VP and it's very easy to make changes there.
>>59168641ZA Megas are shitmons
>>59168472And Tera doesn't make Charizardino a Top 10. Doesn't automatically means Tera is shit then.Some Pokemon are more compatible with different mechanics. Crazy concept, I know.
>>59168638Without HOME you’re at the mercy of the gacha system, but you get to choose one of a bunch of pokemon to actually recruit. You get VP pretty fast just for playing and it’s easy to edit pokemon. You will be able to make a good and strong team pretty quickly and recipes can be looked up in-game.IVs are also universal 31s.
>>59168578It is though. Usage tiers do not equate to viability. Gatr outspeeds the entire meta except dragapult after one DD. He will one shot almost everything as well. Basculegion gets walled by more things.Nobody is saying gatr is better than using Chomp by the way, but it certainly hits way harder and secures many more KOs.Go ahead, do the math. I’m sure you understand full well why these usage lists look like this right?
>>59168578The only reason people aren’t using mega gatr is because they want to use Charizard Y for sun.I know this is difficult for you to understand but it becomes immediately apparent which megas are being used from looking at ops list. Basculegion and Gatr are both on the same speed tier but Gatr has 38 more base attack than it and a x1.2 boost on 120 bp moves, basculegion is effectively the same mon except it hits less hard so its easy to see why its being used over gatr >fake out immunity>mega opportunity costThis is also why theres a distinct lack of megas in top usage.
>>59168708>the only reason dogshit mega isn’t used is because actually good mega existYou may be onto something right there
What went so wrong
>>59168648>>59168665>>59168681So, I caught a shiny Charmander in Scarlet recently; I could evolve it to Charizard and just drop him in Home and then to Champions and work out the EVs, moves and items from there, then?I've never had the chance to transfer Pokemon from one game to another so the idea seems fun.
>>59168486Unironically ass right now. >special fairy, ghost, and ice attackers everywhere>the only time incineroar is running darkest lariat in known history (it ignores stat changes, making half of coaching useless) It’s like they built a format just to make dragapult hard to use
>>59168621It's a problem that there isn't more evidence of powercreep? It's a bad thing that Hippowdon is still viable? It's egregious that Hydreigon remains virtually unchanged since Gen 5?
>>59168715You are slowly starting to understand that mega evolution is just a poor gimmick where even being good isn't enough.
>>59168715>only fire weather teams exist and are good.No.Have you ever heard of what a foo strategy is?Also you do realize people are only using Charizard Y for mid turn sun right? Its not good offensively at all and dies and gets checked by many things, including Mega gatr.People will build their teams in accordance to what they want to do with it not because X pokemon has high usage. Most people are also using other peoples teams rather than use their own.
Its depressing how they just had to incorporate incineroar right away, probably scared that pros wouldnt play the game without itfuck off
>>59168734>curent meta is based on ZA>all the ZA new mons are dogshithow is this not a problem? >b-but muh powercreepmega emboar being weaker than no item emboar wont change the fact incineroar is in 50% of all teams
>>59168752>all the new za mons are dogshitThey aren’t.If anything they are actually being used evenly.You could see mega floette in top usage if it was a meta that catered to it and you’d immediately think all the za mons are dogshit because most are using the same mega which is limited to one per battle.Maybe try being intelligent?
>>59168745>how dare the game made for competitive player has the competitive player favourite pokemon in itkeep copping campaignshitter
>>59168745And its only get worse once the other VGC staples slowly come in, it would have been nice to not have the faggot bara tiger on Launch
>>59168761>Only Viable ZA Mega is at post-game of a mid game Grim
Honestly if its not incineroar it will be a different mon. Why do so many people cry about one mon being overly used? You can reach master ball rank without using any of the meta. Why are you crying about meta when you aren’t participating in regionals or world championships anyway?
I'll always despise Incineroar
>>59168770Maybe if everything it could kill wasn’t carrying something that could easily kill it. Its not in a great speed tier so its unironically harder to use than things like mega gatr.None of the megas are bad as long as you play around them, outside of shit like drampa or male meowstic
>>59168779because its a terrible designed pokemon
>>59168794What an utterly retarded reason to complain. Absolutely sad and pathetic.
>>59168794If it makes you this butthurt then why not just carry something that will neuter it instead of bitching like this?>mirror armor corviknight>competitive empoleon>mental herb unburden sneasler>magic bounce which clefable can get mid turn on parting shotMaybe try being creative and not a fucking bitch? Like literally everyone uses this so how do you not see it as an opportunity to anti-meta.
>>59168779I think the main issue is that Incineroar has access to literally everything you want in a doubles partner and no other Pokemon comes remotely close
>>59168794Toiletmon is even worse, shut up
>>59168820>literally everythingI didn’t realize it had follow me, trick room, tailwind, life dew, coaching, screens, etc
>>59168815He will just make excuses that the counters are shitmon
>>59168830Like everyone saying mega meganium and mega gatr suck because people are using charizard y to counter rain weather?
>>59168412What does Primarina do? I don't see her in Great Ball tier at all
>>59168504Yet it was mogged by lilligant in the same game.
>>59168752What does that have to do with dragapult?
>>59168722>this will be James Turner legacy
>>59168838Good offensive typing, decent bulk, few checks.I’m running sneasler just for her.
>>59168838Look at the rest of the tier. She scares all of them except Archaludon
Tell me your secret off-meta mega build-around (doubles obviously).
>>59168873Taunt Moushold, Dual Wingbeat Aero though that’s more counter meta than off meta. It’s pretty popular
>>59168416basedbased
>>59168722Stats, movepool, design. It’s too slow and it’s a one-trick-pony. Give it Fake Out.
>>59168412why is Tiger of healthy meta only used in doubles and not in singles?
You guys gave me excellent ideas to build a singles team able to farm matches and vps quickly, thank you.Any chance to get the sane tips for doubles? Again, the objective is ultra fast, brainless games, even if not meta or the strongest, at least actually able to win.
>>59168416
How much have (You) spent on this already, Anon? Starter pack? Membership? Battle pass? HOME subscription? I've been thinking of getting a HOME subscription because I filled my basic box ages ago. I'm having a lot of fun with the Pokemon I've gotten from the game itself, but it'd be nice to bring over some others.
>>59168885Incineroar robs you of actions by crippling your stats to force a switch and using Fake Out. Switching is less of a problem in the Singles format but in Doubles it's really bad. In Doubles you get two actions a turn, if you have to switch then you only get one while the opponent gets two, and you can really fuck someone up with two actions a turn.
>>59168895The box is really small but I ranked up a few times so I got some extra slots.
>>59168797>>59168815seethe more tards
>>59168794The cherry on top of the Inshiteroar sundae
>>59168895I bought the starter pack and I regret that, this launch was disappointing
>>59168895I paid for everything because I want them to support this and keep updating it, but the battle pass rewards fucking stink, I cannot see people paying for that unless they see a haircut they want. I want 1,000+ box slots so I'm happy to pay the subscription for that, but I'd expect more than three bonus songs. Maybe they'll increase the number of subscription exclusive songs down the line.I wish the recruit pokemon went into a seperate box because I've zero intention of using them unless they're cherish ball mons with titles, so I just end up releasing them after doing the daily recruit.
>>59168983Careful you might make someone seethe
>>59168983I just don't see a reason to rent extra box slots if I'm gonna have a home membership.
>>59168731Yep, EVs and IVs and moves and whatever in Scarlet do not matter, just evolve him to Charizard and you can do all the important stuff in Champions for a relatively nominal amount of VP.
>>59168998I barely see a need to pay for home. I already have plenty of space in the games themselves for storage.
>>59168885Because he's a weak bitch by himself
In a 3v3, would a Kingambit run Supreme Overlord or Defiant?
>>59169008Both are viable in BSS, but on my way to Masters I only saw Supreme Overlord Gambits
>>59169008Supreme overlord. Defiant is only good when intimidate is running rampant so its probably worth considering more in doubles.
>>59168895I only bought the starter pack for the box space. I might consider the pass
>>59168412Is primarina that good?
>>59168412>Hippowdon is now above Ttar in singlesI want to get out of the clown dimension
>>59168983>I paid for everything
>>59169124Get yawned xd
>>59169141It is a miniscule amount of money. I own my own home and two cars and hold an executive position with a large salary at my place of business and do a regular charity donation to leave the world a better place than I found it because I'm not retarded bitch like you.
>>59169176Paypal me for a year-long Champs membership and a BBL.
>>59168412wow look at that not a single new megagood thing they ruined them all with useless abilities and bad statsand this is before they introduce all the strong pokemon again like salamence and legendaries
>>59169176>I own my own home and two cars and hold an executive position with a large salary at my place of business and do a regular charity donation to leave the world a better place than I found itDoubt.>because I'm not retarded bitch like you.Double doubt.
>>59169176you know you don’t have to engage with these people, right? This brazen lying just makes you look worse
>>59168418Isn't it funny that Diantha has the fourth highest BST among champions, but is utterly pathetic? Almost as funny that Ghetsis has the fourth lowest, but is one of the hardest.
>>59168412Pelipper being OP will never not be funny to me. Silly bird go drip drip.
>>59169255Its such a crazy good mon when there's no real checks for it in the meta
>>59169255Pelipper really makes you realize how much of a shitmon Politoed was.
>>59169255The funny thing is it’s not even running wide guard in THE spread move meta
>>59169258Electric Pokémon/moves?>>59169260I like Politoed :(>>59169269:o
>>59169284Have fun trying to get an electric move out after tailwind when everyone and their mother spam EQ
>>59169255>>59169260Pelipper was also a shitmon before drizzle. Gigalith, Vanilluxe and Aurorus still suck despite having weather abilities. The only weather setters that would be fine without it is tyranitar, and hippowdow to an extent. Everyone else is carried by the ability Shame they don't update more to be weather setters. Weather wars are an interesting back and forth but there's only a handful of them still despite 10x the amount who benefit directly from it through abilities. Let alone everyone who benefits from blizzard/water/fire moves
>>59169299It's my time.
>>59169322>Ancient mons got torkoal and ninetales>Future coped with this garbage ass thing because tapu koko never showed upWhen you compare him to indeedee, rillaboom and weezing, electric got the worse end of the shitmon deal.
>>59169345Dont worry about hero will rise
>>59169362You’ll get lightning rod and Gigavolt and like it
>>59168412Is there a full list?
>>59169380Or whatever the fuck Zekrom’s ability is
Hey so I use xitter sometimes and I see people unironically defending stuff like the Floette situation. This board isn't that retarded, right? These Pokemon fans fundamentally misunderstanding what a competitive game should be like is just all bait, right?
>>59169397>Floette situationqrd?
>>59169411You need to play Z-A to get Floetta in champions, or trade She is strongPeople are upset you have to do that to get herPokemom fans do not understand why people are upset, because it's what they're used toTons of bait and people calling others brokies, some posting pictures of their switches and copies of Z-A to insult the people who expected something not borderline P2W
>>59168412I've been watching some YouTube rs play the game. Seems like everyone just picks the same pokemon
>>59169300Pellipper is WAY better than Politoed though it's not even funny. Politoed can Scald, and maybe click Encore on something that does something silly in front of it. Maybe Rest, because that's one more time you can switch Politoed in. Pellipper can Scald and Hurricane, Roost off any free turns or switches it gets, then U-turn out. It can tailwind, too.
>>59169419My favorite post
>>59169424Welcome to competitive pokemon with jo tiers
Pokemon fans when change (they will die!)
>>59169419>>59169439>ursaluna and urushifu (actual vgc relevant mons) being locked behind plass and a dlc respectively in SV was ok tho
ZA is a slog and the post game is that x10, completely understand people bitching about Floette
>campaignshitters when they actually have to play the game
>>59169472Good job being retarded and missing how it's not equivalent considering what Champions is. Get yourself a blue checkmark and ragebait like the rest of them.
>>59169460>conveniently leaves out the name
>>59169504I already get shit on enough for posting xitter screenshots, not gonna be accused of being a shill too. Also it's funny they talk about playing the game when most comp players are just gonna be spamming skip and one shotting everything. Engaging.
>>59169439>You didn’t buy this dogshit overpriced video game separate from the main series? I thought you liked Pokemon?
As someone who picked up Champions because I’m a casual Showdown user and mildly interested in VGC, the Floette thing is irrelevant. It’s a gay Pokemon and there’s enough meta relevant stuff I have access to for free to keep me tinkering and interested. It’s an objectively retarded move but it’s Pokemon, if you expect anything but retardation from them you should be gassed
Yum yum yum dick in my mouth now tpci
>>59169435Scald, surf, encore, ice beam, hidden power were all you really needed back in gen5. It has haze, refresh, helping hand, icy wind as well.The format was a lot weaker back then keep in mind, politoed's movepool wasn't an issue. but yes obviously yes pelipper is better now, never said it wasn't. I said it was a shitmon without drizzle, which it was. PU in singles in gen 5 (most from there are ZU today which is untiered). It also had absolutely no usage in doubles, there was a queue of pokemon who wanted to use politoeds rain more than pelipper. It was the definition of a shitmon
>>59169517One last post before I stop spergingIt's funny to me that people talk about raisijg mons as a sense of fufillment when we all know the pros just hacked them in anyway. They are not getting anything from these games. That's all, Pokemom company shills are mentally ill.
>>59169472It's also funny how Urshifu's ability got nerfed into the ground the moment it stopped being exclusive to a paid DLC mon.
>>59168895Nothing so far. I was thinking about the starter pack since it was so cheap but decided not too when it was clear this was just a low effort attempt to grab money off of showdown players. If nothing changes the fad will die pretty quickly and playercount will drop like a rock. It'll be a barren desert after wind/waves and we'll only be reminded it exists by the occasional official tournament as a side even for VGC.
>>59168412the megas have been such a flopthough now I worry that they will overcorrect for round 2
>>59169582they should actually balance the mega shitmon we already have
>>59168412Not even Mega Floette the most broken ZA Mega (so far) is in the top 10 KEK
>>59168432Anon, Kukui isn't Alola's Champion.(You) are.
>>59169606to be fair that's probably because many people don't have access to it to use it.
>>59169610And because the meta is actively hostile to it
>people ITT unironically play SinglesI love sending out Kingambit and Sneasler and automatically winning 90% of games
>>59169627Is Supreme Overlord affected by Contrary? Maybe Malamar can counter it.
>>59169512Then maybe shut the fuck up and don’t post twitter garbage you fucking hypocrite redditard
>>59169637Defiant's much better in Doubles anyway.Also no lol
>>59168430Yeah but so does every meta possible
>>59169176And yet you're posting in 4chan all the same.And worse, shamelessly lying like that trying to pretend you have a big dick. Imagine being so insecure you're trying to make yourself appear grander to people of this shithole. How embarrassing.
>>59169696Honestly, I hope he said it just to spite you bitter retards in particular, your entire post is completely hypocritical its disgusting and makes me wretch. Just kys already
>>59168765Everyone just spams Arcanine in his absence
>>59169390Teravolt, mold breaker with a Fancy name
>>59168455>B-B-But it's low powerlevel! Gutting all the items and mons means more le variety!Gutting items is the literal opposite way you add variety. Without defensive items like the Clear Amulet, Covert Cloak, Safety Goggles, and Assault Vest, many Pokemon that could be viable are just too much of a liability and you're forced to fall back on the handful of Pokemon that don't need those items. Same thing with the power boosting items. Without items like the Choice items or Life Orb, many Pokemon that could just barely get OHKOs and 2HKOs become Pokemon that can only get 2HKOs and 3HKOs and end up getting replaced with Pokemon that don't need the power boosting items.
>>59168885He's the ultimate support Pokemon. He cripples things on entry with Intimidate and Fake Out which allows teammates to set-up or kill critical mons, then he cycles out with Parting Shot which cripples a Pokemon even further and allows him to come back with his Intimidate + Fake Out routine. Before Champions he had STAB Knock Off which hits like a truck off his 115 attack stat which creates a ton of progress for your team and cripples the opponent even further. He's also immune to being burned and Prankster because of his typing, has good 95/90/90 bulk which is further boosted by Intimidate, and has access to a massive arsenal of disruption and support moves outside his standard set like Will-o-Wisp, Taunt, Snarl, Helping Hand and Roar.
>>59169258yeah because of the bridge, the fucking fish, and the gay dragon. Rain's vile right now
>>59169947What dragon? Dragonite?
>>59168412I feel like Mega Latias and Mega Latios would be really good in this type of meta right now. They do well into a lot of the top mons here for the most part. Mega Latios in particular would be a large problem for a lot of things with Luster Purge.
>>59169424Such is the way of competitive Pokemon. Most people don't care to work strategies out for themselves, so they just copy whatever's working for everyone else.
>>59170353That's the fault of the starting roster of Pokémon and items we've been given. Rain is so absurdly powerful right now
>>59169300>Gigalith, Vanilluxe and Aurorus still suck despite having weather abilities.Remember when Aurorus couldn't have Aurora Veil in gen 7? That was BEYOND fucking retarded of Game Freak.desu I'd make it exclusive to Amaura and Aurorus out of absolute spite.
>>59170399Everyone thinks their weather/the weather they just lost to is obviously powerful and clearly the bestBut ice just sucks right now
>>59169435Politoed is second perish trapper on gengar teams that helps beat sun teams now
>>59170505Ice will get better when Soft Clay gets added.
>>59170505>But ice just sucks right nowKojo summoning ritual?Kojo summoning ritual!
>>59170523I’d say it’s more that every other weather has a second or third type that benefits from it
>>59169639Don't think I'll do thatSpecifically to spite you now. Also cause you're more a sperg than me to get mad at it, like this place puts out more higher quality stuff than that shithole.
>>59168734Inci ran lariat in gen 8 because it also lost knock off then
>>59170505I run a mega ttar team and rain is clearly the best weather rn, it's always been the strongest. Been that way since the weather war days of Gen 5 and when Kyogre was considered "the king of ubers"
>>59168412I'm surprised there isn't more Milotic. That thing is really hard to break in this meta.
>>59168486Dragapult needs Life Orb to do enough damage to run an offensive set imo and if someone wants a ghost type to set screens they'll probably be more inclined to run Mega Froslass. I think support Dragapult will start seeing more significant play once people are done experimenting with the new options and the meta settles down.
>>59170505>All these cool, powerful megas wielding the weather abilities>Meanwhile, in rain
>>59169435Historically Politoed has performed way better in tournaments than Pelipper and I wouldn't be surprised if that was still to be the case when the meta calms down.
>>59170505
>>59171059The weather warriors forgot the final option.
they should add a new Wildfire weather effect>damages all non-fire types at the end of their turn>increases fire type move damage by 50%>decreases water and ice type move damage by 50%>mega incineroar gets an ability that intimidates and creates Wildfire when it mega evolves
>>59171015Not giving mega drampa drizzle has to have been a mistake...
>>59171117That kinda already exists>If Fire Pledge is used with Grass Pledge, the move animation shows Fire Pledge and a sea of fire envelops the foe's team is created that damages opponents 1/8 of their maximum HP each turn, for 4 turns.>mega incineroar gets an ability that intimidates and creates Wildfire when it mega evolvesEnough!
you have one shot, one opportunity, to change incineroar's hidden ability while still making it a heel wrestler, what do you choose
Surprised Sneasler and Basculegion aren't tearing up singles. Do they not have their busted moves?
>>59171161What does mega drampa have to do with weather?
>>59171196>Mega looks like a thunder cloud>It's mega description talks about it summoning stormsIf any mega were to get drizzle it should be this. It only getting berserk again feels like a mistake
>>59169778nta but this post is so gay it could give someone AIDS and Monkeypox, well done
>>59168416Based
Is Empoleon a good counter for Incineroar?
>>59168412remember when charizard sucked pre gen 6
>>59171236Yeah, but Sneasler is a pain in the ass.
>>59168779hes ugly
>>59171302I see. Two of my favorite mon are in the game and I want to form a team around them.
>>59171196READ NIGGA READ
>>59168416Good afternoon, I arrived here today to ponder and question my comradery. Why are Cynthia-schizos and hag posters so mentally unstable and demented? They can not take any sort of criticism about their stupid fat ugly whores *TSK* I mean completely normal functional members of society *HEH* as if. These so called Hag-shitters can not provide a loquacious argument. Hags are programmed to tremble in fear when I set foot on the HALLS of MY CASTLE. They toss asinine claims in my my direction unrelated to the question presented, pathetic might I add. Keep parroting all your insipid buzzword. Your taciturn and impoverish vocabulary is left unperused by my dignified GLARE; as to not leave HAG POSTER astounded I will be generous and explain as to why their screeching is left unnoticed. I a GOD operate on a higher plane of intellect so by ditching the rabid dog poster claims I abstain from tarnishing my vociferous, vehement, and superior lexicon. Feeble minded should not keep perusing this sacred text because it will lead to their mind detonating by attempting to comprehend my enriched vocabulary. But just this once I will allow you simple minded whimpering pups to respond to my sagacious and limitless wit.
I can't wait for the next dripfeed of content to not include any buffs.Or the next one after that too perhaps.
>>59171356most powerful post itt
>>59171175A new ability, combines both effects of No Guard and Rough Skin
>>59171284He's decent in Gen 2 and genuinely good in Gen 3
>>59168895Still f2p. If I get to Master in singles, maybe I'll consider getting the starter pack
>>59171175Merciless. He also gets poison gas.
>>59171185They both have their busted moves, but right now the meta is favoring balance, and so you want pokemon that can take hits on switch in (notice how the only mon on the singles top 10 that is too frail to safely switch in is Gengar)Sneasler also just gets dicked on by Corviknight
>>59171175Scrappy55% usage? Those are rookie numbers, push them higher
>>59171175Moxie, of course.
>>59171175delete it all together
>>59168895Nothing yet, once I start getting pressed for space I'll buy the starter pack but if things start getting tight again later I'll just make do, the membership is too expensive for something renewable.
>>59168412I want to rape whoever at Gamefreak decided Mega Drampa should have Berserk instead of Drizzle. What a fucking waste of a potentially competitive mon.
>>59171658not to mention the different typing would be novel for a weather setter AND there are no drizzle megas yet...
>>59168596They also made sure to remove all the typical items like covert cloak and clear amulet so that all the counterplay to the Pokemon everyone fucking hated seeing would be even more insane.
Here's my current team:>Tyranitor: starts Sandstorm. Fire Punch for coverage.>Glimmora: Mega. Sp. Def boost from Sandstorm. Sludge Wave for spread and ally.>Gliscor (second favorite Pokémon): Poison Heal with Leftovers.>Empoleon (absolute favorite): Coverage.All are immune to Sandstorm, with Glimmora getting a boost from it. It's been alright, but I'm having trouble with Earthquake/Garchomp and Mega Frosloss. I'm thinking of getting Aerodactyl for Ground-safety and giving it Fire Fang and Dragon Claw for coverage. Thoughts?
>>59171679the humble earthworm:
>>59171356>uses a FlygonKWAB
>>59171679I'll teach you something that many players new to competative miss at first. There's a mechanic called stab(same type attack bonus) which gives a move a power boost if a pokemon shares the same type as the move. Fire punch has 75 power. If it's super effective the power doubles to 150. Now look at stone edge, a 100 power move. Tyranitar gets stab on it, bringing it's power to 150. In other words, stone edge will deal the same damage as a super effective fire punch. Fire fang is even weaker so stone edge would actually do more damage, and flying hits most of the same things fire does super effectively to begin with. Dragon claw only hits a single type super effectively. Those moves cover very few pokemon it doesn't already handle and rob your aero of precious moveslots that could be used better.Rather than just sticking random moves of different types on a pokemon, instead start with their stab moves, and then compliment those moves with coverage that handles their weakness. Rock for example combos well with ground moves, since they both handle the resistances of the other. You don't need to hit everything super effectively, you just need to avoid too many things resisting you. That's the purpose of coverage, to break through what otherwise walls you. It's often far better to go with status or support moves than to stick a bunch of random moves on your pokemon chasing the neuron activating super effective text.
>>59168852Turner's been playing Tajiri for years at this stage, you don't get to hang this on him.This was your "perfect glorious nippon master race" that chose to make toiletgatr. Deal with what your overlords saw fit for feralifags to receive.
>>59169804>No fake-out>No parting shotI'll take all the arcanines and gyaradoses in the world
>>59169472It wasn't, but you bought it anyway.
>>59169439My Pokémon friend group is almost all compfags and out of like 7 of us I was the only one who bought Z-A. I borrowed them my games cart so they could create a save on their Switches and gen Floette with a Discord bot.
>>59169176>do a regular charity donation to leave the world a better place than I found it>buys microtransactions, perpetuating enshittificationDevious!
>>59168412Sneasler is a dishonest pos and I don't know why on earth they would bring it to champions this early.
>>59171877They did it to fuck with Incineroar
>>59169804>People start using cool fire dogs and dragonsI'm ok with this
>>59171880You can beat Incineroar a bunch of ways without putting in a mon that's just as meta warping. Or they could have just not put in Incineroar, but failing that I'd still rather have no Sneasler.
>>59171681Orthworm? An interesting idea. My team could use the support, but I feel as if I have too many Steel types on my team already. Especially when I have a TWO Rock-types.>>59171832I'm well aware of STAB. Funnily enough, that's another reason I have Mega Glimmora on my team. STAB Sludge Wave absolutely melts neutral. It's super satisfying. It's my bad for not clarifying that mon like Tyranitor does have Stone Edge and Knock Off for STAB and spread, same with Empoleon and Surf. I'm just figuring out how to fill the rest of my team, especially when I have to deal with the current meta of Froslass and Garchomp. Funnily enough, I thought Metagross was available so I trained a shiny to fit on my team. But thank you for the heads up regardless.
>couldn't get Empoleon to work>give it Choice Scarf>completely destroys the opponent before they can moveOh yeah, it's coming together.
Here's the team I came up with it. Orthworm has been very helpful.
>>59171679My recommendation is either a weavile who's faster than both and can kill both of these with stabs or if you need to keep the dand immunity use a mamoswine with thick fat, thanks to it's ability it turns it's ice neutrality into a resist and it can eat at least one shadow ball, plus it's getting a defense boost from snow also it can pick off chomp with ice shard priority.
>>59172557(me)Here are their stats. Kleavor has been surprisingly helpful in Singles. I shouldn't have given it Protect though.
>>59171175>Heel>Contact moves always hit. Dark-type status moves always succeed. (even through Protect)
>>59172557Doubles or singles? I’m trying to come up with a Trick Room/Tailwind team alongside Cloud Nine Drampa but my rolls haven’t been great.
>>59172602Mainly Doubles, but Orthworm has been making Singles easy.>I’m trying to come up with a Trick Room/Tailwind team alongside Cloud Nine Drampa but my rolls haven’t been great.Whimsicott's a reliable Tailwind user, maybe you can include a Grass Terrain setter/strategy.
I have used Orthworm + Shell Smash Mega Blastoise in singles and it's disgusting how broken they are
Was Sinistcha always this big? Not too into VGC to be honest but I never saw it as a big VGC mon before, despite the decent tools. Was it the shrooms or how "new" it was?
>>59168412Who is the least used? I want to laugh at some shitmons.
>>59172616Is there a place with sample teams somewhere where I can look for more ideas?
>>59168779Everyone plays the same shit so you get less variety in the game and less skill expression. It's not fun playing the same team 10 times in a row, I want to see strategies I've never seen before and get actually better at the game. I have a mode just to counter a few overused mons and it's just boring now.
>>59172647Gourgeist I think, which is funny cause Trick Or Treat can theoretically give Fighting immunities
>>59172654Gourgeist sisters... Not like this
>>59172652>It's not fun playing the same team 10 times in a row, I want to see strategies I've never seen before and get actually better at the gameThe reason you don’t see those strategies is because they suck shit. If you got your wish you’d be complaining instead about everyone making retarded team comps and how the game’s become nothing but boring one-sided shitstomps cause everyone’s using horrible lineups. Unless that’s what you actually want because you can’t win on your own merits otherwise
>>59172652Just play Smogon UU, RU, ZU, PU, etc. then
>>59172648You need the Pokémon in order to sample them, but I looked up 'Pokemon Champion Team ID' and there were some results. You can also get ideas from Wolfy and other Pokétubers.
>>59172670The thing is niche teams do show up, just not enough to get any feel for them. It's all the same picks and counterpicks most of the time and I feel like I'm not even playing the game.I don't see how a format with some shit teams and lots of variety because the power level is lower would be worse than a format with the same few overused mons that you have to build around. It wouldn't be one sided because the power level would be lower.
>>59172680Sorry I don't take ideas from raped players
>>59172256Empoleon needs a x2 speed boost to go online so tailwind support, agility setup (with redirection), or just go trick roomScarf works for most of this metagame i suppose but I like the liberty of picking moves on what is essentially a coverage mon. That being said, Surf and Flash Cannon alone will get you pretty far especially if you make use of rain +2 252+ SpA Empoleon Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 330-388 (92.4 - 108.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
Gen 9 is a case study on how even a worse Tapu Fini is still a goddamn Tapu Fini
>>59172680I’ll look into that, thanks. I’m going to make Drampa work even if it makes me lose my mind.
>>59172694Based>>59172699Noted. Though I've been able to manage with just switching out, especially now with Orthworm's Shed Tail and resetting Tyranitor's Sand Stream. Just it's fun tricking people with a fast penguin.
>>59172627It was kinda competing with Ogrepon but it was considered good
Spiky Shield Glimmora instead of Meteor Beam?
>>59171059>>59170505What's the sauce on these?
Honestly I'm still surprised Glimmora has Spiky Shield over Baneful Bunker
>>59172775Toxic Debris already fills the niche.>>59172769Jujutsu Kaisen
I'm now running Hisuian Arcanine instead of Kleavor.
>>59168412Did not expect Primarina to be top 10 most used in singles, especially not top 3. What makes her so special?
>>59174020Highest Sp Atk and Sp Def of all starters and good typing to cuck Fire typesAlso a spread water move that doesn't hit your partner or miss that much (Hyper Voice)
>>59168412Champions is fun if you play it casually. Just dont follow Meta. Build what you want. You will get opponents that do the same.I think it was designed as a Casual game first Competetive Second. Like Pokemon Unite
