>TPCi and Gamefreak make a battle simulator to separate the competitive segment from the main games>It comes out and its a literal gacha game>Shills lying through their teeth saying its just like Stadium when Stadium let you access the full Pokedex and Champions only gives you one Pokemon at a time through a gacha ticket system>To get anything decent you have to sink a ton of tickets in hopes that you will get anything decent from the banner which has a large number of banner Pokemon making it WAY less likely you will get anything good. Making it even worse than TCG Pocket which was predatory enough.>Other gachas have a handful of banner characters making it more likely that you will get the character after a few hours of play. Plus pity systems that eventually give a rare unit. Champions has no such thing.>On top of that gachas disclose the probabilities of achieving units due to gambling laws in many countries. So Nintendo/TPCi could even get sued for this>Even if you import Pokemon from Home they are just Visitor Pokemon and do not have the same benefits of Champions stat modifications Gamefreaks main argument for this was that it was supposed to be the standard platform for competitive but I dont see how it could be if competitive players cant reap the benefits of Champions when porting their Pokemon in from Home. This wasnt designed as a VGC platform first, it was designed as a microtransaction platform first and a VGC platform second. Even the most casual players could see how aggressively predatory Champions is and how unfriendly it is towards free to play players. I can see Champions having great launch profits like Pocket but after a year this is gonna dump hard. Pump and dump.
>>59172580You can skip the gacha entirely and transfer pokemon from HOME.>Even if you import Pokemon from Home they are just Visitor Pokemon and do not have the same benefits of Champions stat modifications You can modify pokemon you transfer from HOME. Why would you lie about something so easy to disprove? Have you even played the game?
>>59172580>his wasnt designed as a VGC platform first, it was designed as a microtransaction platform first and a VGC platform secondIt really is the opposite. The game looks pretty generous with vp to me. The gacha elements don't even matter if you own the Switch titles, namely SV and Legends Arceus seem like the most important ones, I can't imagine being interested in comp and not owning at least one of those.
>>59172580>Stadium let you access the full PokedexThe first JP only one didn't. Also a moot point since this is a live service game, the rest of the Dex will catch up as time goes on. >Champions only gives you one Pokemon at a time through a gacha ticket systemNigga you didn't play Champions OR the Stadium games. It's the same system. In both games you can transfer your mons from the main games. Hell, Champions is actually a lot better in this regard since you can edit the ones you get inside the game. In Stadium and Battle Revolution you got the shittiest rental mons with trash movesets you were stuck with if you didn't transfer anything in.Someone else can waste time reading the rest of your schizophrenic diarrhea. Here's your reply, which is more than you deserve.
>>59172662>>59172676>it's FTP game!>BUT to get the full experience you need to buy multiple $70 titles plus their DLC, otherwise enjoy the gacha! Also some of the strongest Pokemon, like Mega Floette, aren't in the gacha.Is it really FTP then? It feels more like FTP with a really big asterisk.>>59172679>The first JP only one didn't. They released the full dex version of stadium very shortly after and the incompleted version of Stadium never left Japan, that's disingenuous as fuck, not even getting into how Stadium was building Pokemon in 3D for the very first time while Champions is yet another game of ported models they've been using for 10 years now.
>>59172685>It feels more like FTP with a really big asterisk.That's all FTP games.
>>59172685>BUT to get the full experience you need to buy multiple $70 titles plus their DLC, otherwise enjoy the gachaYou can play GO, build a completely f2p collection and trade chain to get the Pokémon you want for Champions. Shinies are extra easy to find in GO as well and those also get what you want on the GTS. You only need to buy a mainline game if you want the convenience.
>>59172702>>build a completely f2p collection and trade chain to get the Pokémon you want for Champions.>the game is F2P if you spend 200 hours grinding candy in GO and use the nearly useless GTS to get an incineroar
I got to Ultra ball rank with my 100% FTP team, no Home either, and I also used niche Pokemon intentionally, I also could have made more meta picks. It's also my first time playing competitive, and I've only played a few bots so it's not like I just got to this rank from pity matches.If it's fine for someone like me then it's fine for competitors who if nothing else have an easier way to train Pokemon.It's nice to come into a simpler meta too I can see how it could be frustrating for returning players but you can't say that and also that it's "supposed to be better for new players"), only thing I'll say is that they didn't have to cut SO MANY items.
>>59172709>he bought Champions
>>59172685>mega floette>being relevant in the meta>everyou fags are the same retards who tought shit like fucking enamourus would be p2win content lmao
>>59172708That's how f2p works, anon. You pay with money or effort and time.
>>59172580>Even if you import Pokemon from Home they are just Visitor Pokemon and do not have the same benefits of Champions stat modificationsYou can edit visiting pokemon same as recruited one
>>59172580was (he) right about champions?
>2026>retard still doesn't know how to gen pokemon directly to home to use in champions
>>59172708>You need to play the game to unlock the good things Yes, that's how it works
>>59172580All this shit just to say "it sucks because Pokemon hasn't been good in over 27 years and has no reason to improve because it's been more long term successful than ever before".
>>59172786100% correct
>>59172662Which makes the existance of this game pointless, if I got all my Pokemon by grinding in the main games then i may as well keep them thereBut of course they're aware of this and are forcing it as the future of PvP despite no one asking.
>>59172786It's very wrong in fact, which I'm grateful for.>ivs are gone so breeding is unimportant at last>changing movesets and stats is very easy>getting vp isn't too bad, easy to save if you have the official titles tooI find that the only thing that really stinks is you need to pay for Home's premium pass in order to transfer 3DS pokemon. I also don't have Scarlet's DLC, maybe I'll get it soon if I like Scarlet enough. I also don't own ZA, but Champions has a lot of mega stones in it and the megas you need ZA for don't seem to be that worthwhile so I'm good.
>>59172685>Is it really FTP then? It feels more like FTP with a really big asteriskIt isnt and thats exactly why TPCi claims its a "Free to start" game.>They released the full dex version of stadium very shortly after and the incompleted version of Stadium never left Japan, that's disingenuous as fuck, not even getting into how Stadium was building Pokemon in 3D for the very first time while Champions is yet another game of ported models they've been using for 10 years now.THANK YOU. Someone said it. Literally no one here posting has ever played the Japanese Stadium on release. Gen 1 games practically all needed to be fixed before coming overseas. Are we really using buggy incomplete games as our bar for what a good game is? Thats fucking embarrassing even as a Pokemon fan.>>59172687If youre defending these gachas maybe you should fuck off?
"gacha" has lost all its meaning huh
>>59172827>Which makes the existance of this game pointless,Not when it's the hub for online experience to come
>>59172844So far, we have a total of 59 mega stones, and 6 of those are locked behind exclusivity. Turned out the game is unplayable for some when you can't use>emboar>chesnaught
>>59172808It's so funny to me how the entire promise of Champions has been "it makes competitive more accessible! you no longer have to spend hours grinding to get the perfect IV mon with all the egg moves and blah blah blah!" No, you have to spend twice as many hours grinding to even get the pokemon in the first place. Now instead of a casual player only having access to a suboptimal 27 Atk Incineroar, they have Arcanine because that's the only one that's showed up in their recruit ranch.How is that better?
>>59173083>emboar>chesnaughtMega Floette is dominating the ladder harder than rain you disingenuous fuck
>>59173090To be frank I can't imagine being interested in Champions and not owning at least one of the Switch games. Like, if you're that casual you can't possibly be interested in official comp.
>>59173093So (you) can't deal with one single pokemon with all those choices? Sounds like skill issue
>>59173103I don't own a Switch or any of the Switch games (I emulate Switch, but I also haven't emulated any of the Switch games, my last mainline title was X). I'm interested in Champions. Which is why I'm spending the months leading up to the mobile release doing all the fucking homework I have to do to have a roster of mons available in Home to use, because you can't fucking teambuild otherwise, and I'm not buying a Nintendo Switch and a handful of $60 titles to play the game.I also expect I'll spend the entire first season/format of the mobile release running the 6 free starter mons unmodified, to amass VP without spending any of it.
>>59173121>it's not pay to WIN bro it's just pay to have a massive advantage, you can still win without it if you tryJesus fucking christ the cope from you wallet warriors is absolutely unreal
>>59173103NTA but my last game is Moon. I decided to give Champions a try after hearing how disappointing it's supposed to be, but turns out it's just PvP virgins whining>getting to pick one out of 10 possible pokemon per day. Daily also gives you rewards to get more>no cap on daily VP gained from battles, so players can just keep playing to further improve their roster >literal to no P2W content rubbing your face. It's written in the disclaimer that items from BP will be available on shop on a later date>no NSO subscription required to play itHaven't spent a single penny and still enjoying the game
>>59173136Funny you said P2W when not every Z-A owns a Floette, but whatever floats your boat
>>59172827>>59172827Your pokemon keep their EVs that you bring them into Champions with. You can then alter the EVs in Champions, but if you send it back to your other games it won’t keep those altered EVs so that you can’t cheat in the newer games. If you move it back over to Champions it will remember the EVs and moves from last time though.
>>59173159I have no idea why anyone would purchase the battle pass when you can literally get and keep the Z-A starters from the random recruitment and the only other shit in the pass is debatably ugly Z-A clothes>>59173130I feel like you drown in VP if you just login and do one match. I finished the tutorials and got like 20k VP, bought all the clothes I wanted and then bought almost all of the items except some berries when I got a lil more VP.l>>59173136>>59173170I haven’t seen anyone online use Floette, but I’m still in Ultra Ball tier.
>>59173217The point is to get the ugly ass Z-A so they can dress up just like Z-A protag whose name escaped me
Being upset over bugs is one thing, but I don't understand the amount of autism it takes to complain about it being ftp or to say nonsense like stadium (the game that required a whole other system and game to be playable) was "better."
>>59173238They’d rather pay $30-$40for this than for it to have a gayass optional battle pass.Imagine having to pay for this shit as some sort of live service thing.
>>59173254>game is literally free especially with Home>AIEEEE LET ME PAYWhat is this behavior?
>>59173269home’s first box is also always free no matter what so you don’t have to pay for that either
no matter how shitty gamefreak keeps making the games niggers will still defend them
>>59173269Either >Pay full price for a video game with complete contentOr>Download *free* live service game that requires an indefinite amount of subscription payments to completeI know which one EVERYBODYS picking.
>>59173302>requires an indefinite amount of subscription payments to completenta but I mentioned in an earlier post about how the only shit in the battle pass is Z-A clothes and some of those perma tickets that let you keep a mon past 7 days, people who are getting to Master Ball tier are usually people with mons in home
>>59173302>indefinite amount of subscription payments to completeThis isn't WoW. You don't need a monthly sub to keep playing
>>59173288Except you don't transfer mons to Champions, they "visit" and so they continue occupying a box slot in Home. This is not optional. You can't pass them over 30 at a time, you have to keep any mons you want to use in Home permanently. Which means you have to pay for the expanded storage on Home.
>>59173333You don’t have to pay for the first 30 slots or 1st box in Home. Ever. So you will always be able to have pokemon in that box visit or leave as long as you have less than 30/35 (idk if you get free boxes above 35) in your Champions box.
>>59172580>I can see Champions having great launch profits like Pocket but after a year this is gonna dump hard. Pump and dump.In order for this to flop, Pokemon fans would have to have standards and a backbone. In other words, it ain't happening.Thanks to this fanbase's overwhelming majority of dented whales, Champions will be so successful that the mainline games for gen 11 and beyond will embrace the gacha model too, with even more predatory and greedy monetization than Champions.
>>59173269little Timmie has become too used to paying 80$ for slop since plass came out. He doesn’t know that most modern games are free nowadays.>>59173302>complete contenthow do I evolve ursaring into ursaluna in sv again?
Can someone give me the quick rundown on Mega Floette? Is it as pay2win as Calyrex was?
>>59172827> forcing it as the future of PvP despite no one asking.Actually I've been wanting something like this forever. Once they start adding more mons and gimmicks this game is going to get hilarious.
>>59173478At the moment, you need to use Home to get the following pokemon from Z-A to get the mega stones>chesnaught>delphox>greninja>eternal flower floetteFor the last one, you need to do some postgame grinding in Z-A. That said Floette gets clapped by any physical Poison or Steel so there's that
>>59173447>how do I evolve ursaring into ursaluna in sv again?Trading is free. How do I get a peat block in Champions? It must have one if you were willing to use such a garbage example.
>>59172708incin is easy as fuck to get from go its a starter lol
>>59173638>Trading is free.By that argument, you can get someone to trade you Z-A pokemon via Home. It's free, right?
>First hit of Triple Axel whiffs 4 times in a row
>>59172685I really hate you disingeous idiots trying to pretend that game freak is trying to sell this to anyone other than mainlinezThe claim that you need multiple mainline for the convenience is also false give you can transfer from go, you need ONE non-PLA mainline and specifically PLA if you want some regional forms that can appear in the gacha so in other words you don’t need it.
>>59173093No it is not. You’re not even playing the game so I don’t know how you expect anyone to believe your fucking bullshit. You’re also lying about exclusivity.
>>59173093No it is not. You’re not even playing the game so I don’t know how you expect anyone to believe your fucking bullshit. You’re also lying about exclusivity.>>59173638You can get it in pokemon go if you’re going to be this disingenous about a $60 game and using examples that apply to 1% of people.>i want to play pokemon competitively but I don’t play mainline pokemonI think this would sound retarded to anyone that has common sense, clearly not you faggots tho.
>>59172580The only people who entertain me more than the >s-stop having fun! pokemon should be played on a spreadsheet!-people such as OP are the people who get tilted by Kitt having a tattoo.In other words Champions has entertained me tremendously.
>>59172662>You can skip the gacha entirely and transfer pokemon from HOME.Except that, unless said mons came from ZA, every ones who even step in champions cannot come back, making HOME subs obligatory to have
>>59173333Why you need more than 30?
>>59172807Wait you can do that?
>>59172827You are right. Ignore braindead shills defending tedium. I'm genning and using cheated pokemon in champions with no remose. Fuck those kikes
>>59172580>>Even if you import Pokemon from Home they are just Visitor Pokemon and do not have the same benefits of Champions stat modificationsSomeone tell me OP is exaggerating or talking out of his ass
>>59172580Dude it is honestly difficult to spend money on this thing. The people who pay for 1000 box spaces are an outlier who are only too happy to pay 50 bucks a year so they can use all their pokemon. The premium battle pass is junk, there is no reason to buy it unless you want a specific piece of clothing included in it. The starter pack (less than ten dollars) is a one time purchase under 10 dollars and is the most money 95% of players will ever spend on this game.
>>59174543They don't keep the Champions alterations to their stats, ability, moves and nicknames (you can re-nickname ALL pokemon within Champions) outside of Champions. It can be beneficial to have them already have their evs etc. done outside of Champions beforehand as it avoids using any VP or tickets for those in Champions itself.
>>59172580I'm Ultra Ball rank 3. Haven't paid any money.Never played competitive beyond a handful of PVP games in Scarlet and ZA. Hadn't played a pokemon game since Silver before I got Scarlet on the Switch.I think I've played around 30 games with about 24 or 25 wins and 5 or 6 losses.The home transfer is needlessly fiddly but once you've done it, its fine. I'm playing a not particularly imaginative team with Politoed and Milotic spamming surf in the rain, with mega dragonite able to use thunder and hurricane with 100% accuracy due to the rain, mega meganium for boosted fire weather balls, one turn solar beams and fire damage resistance from rain, Scizor for fairy-bashing+ priority bullet punches and Mudsdale for Archaludon (which has been 3 of my losses, one loss to sleep/sun venosaur+charizard, and one to explosion mega glalie into tailwind Basculegion spamming last respects).Seems decent so far. I'm trying to think of some new team revolving around Mudsdale at the moment.Gamefreak are lazy as hell but if you play the pokemon games this isn't so gacha game extorting you.
>>59174543Obviously they are gaslighting you. Any pokemon that visits from home can be trained/altered in champions.Any pokemon that comes from home with an already trained ev spread will transfer to champions with it, alongside its moveset and nature.In other words, as long as you have one other switch pokemon game, ideally SV, the game is completely free to play.
>>59172827>despite no one asking.I asked. Playing comp without having to do any of the time-wasting breeding bullshit is exactly what I wanted
>>59174577Breeding has been removed from the series since sword and shield
>>59174616It was literally the fastest legit way to get good mons in SV.
>>59174651second fastest after raids which are a bit dependent on luck
>>59174651Yeah but they can't have Marks so who cares.
>>59174524Why do you lie?
>>59174651No it wasn’t.
>>59174524I just sent my snorlax back to swishy swoosh
>>59174515Another failed human being of a wallet warrior. You are a lesser human being. I should be allowed to fucking kill you.
>>59174835>Wallet warrior retard lying to defend their mastersDisgusting.I hope you get hit by a bus and your crying mother has to indentify your mangled corpse.
Breaking news company tries to extract money from its customers.
>>59174524>Me when I spread disinformation on the internet
>>59174862Breaking news wallet warrior tries to defend multi billion dollar company from smart consumers....>>59174863Kill yourself Joe
>>59174736>>59174744>Muh special Pokemon needs a markFuck off tranny. Nice double post
>>59172662Yeah it doesn’t get max EVs right away but that’s about it. Even just teaching it good moves is enough to offset the difference
>>59172580>Start up game>Game says "START">Not press A, L+R, or anything. Just "START">"Ok Ill just press + since its basically the start button">Get sent to the eShop to buy the starter packYep, DEFINITELY predatory!
>>59174903these guys can vote btw
>>59174903
>>59174907>>59174914Samefag
>>59174933cope
>>59174903I've seen this happen to so many content creators it's hilarious
>>59174972Sick ms paint skillz kid
>>59174982Cope harder schizo troon
>>59174987but rele, y u mad tho?
>>59175095Can’t even spell relly, sister take your hrt
>>59175157heart*
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>>59172662It's Eric, he's seething in preparation for tomorrow
>>59175576This is funnier the more you watch the video. The guy wasn't even predicting, he just wanted to kill the Azu.
>>59174869But Joe hates this game and endorses SV to be the competitive format until WiWa
>>59172580So is it worse than pokemon battle revolution?
>>59172827>if I got all my Pokemon by grinding in the main gamesIt takes an hour to ev train in the main games and literally 30 seconds in champions. Shut the fuck up. You're the type of crab bucket retard who claims we should never forgive student loans because it's disrespectful to everyone who ever paid them.
>>59173103You've got it backwards, the competitive aspect has an appeal to players who're not interested in modern Pokemon games.I for example kinda burned out of Pokemon and dislike what the single player experience has become, so I haven't touched a Pokemon game since ORAS. Now I'm trying Champions cause VGC looks interesting.It actually works pretty well on rentals only. I got to master ball rank in a few days, peaking at 1820 points so far. I can also slowly evolve my ttar team by getting new Pokemon. This was it a few days ago. Previously I also had Whimsicott, Corviknight, Mega Meganium, Excadrill, Venusaur and Hisuian Arcanine in it. And since I took this screenshot I swapped Incin for Sinistcha. If anything I'm running out of box space, so I'm thinking of buying the starter pack.
>>59175949actually forgiving student loans is fucking retarded because college graduates is earn much more on average than non graduates, forgiving the loans is literally robbing the poor to feed the rich
>>59176620>I just have to grind untill my eyes bleed so I can compete>its not pay to win at all to skip this bullshithow does corporate cock taste?
>>59176833Damn anon, you got issues if you bleed out when playing a game
>>59174557>explosion mega glalie into tailwind Basculegion spamming last respectsUnfathomably based individual
They won't do it due to it taking some effort and being cool but I'd like if they set a only 1 legendary (or mythical) limit similarly to megas with their themes kicking in when summoned. Bonus if they get a version of their entrance when applicable such as Rayquaza. Even if it took the same slot as megas making them mutually exlusive it'd be worth it if they at least did this.
