Back to Candyland fanfic meta I guess.
>>59175513I'm glad to hear that people don't like doubles
>>59175513Who? Your account anon?
>>59175513who past the age of 14 cares about 3v3 singles
>>59175513>smogfags are bad at pokémonWho would've guessed that?
Double Battles aren't fun.>oh haha he clicked protect again *seal clap*
pay the ads verlis
>>59175546most people
>>59175513>Beating bootlicker Japs at PokemonDestined to fail
What are 3v3 singles like anyway? Do we have item stats and team stats?
>>59175513>Ban things like sleep>Overvalue things like evasion and hazards >Ignore item clauses so everything can run boots or lefties>WTF WHY DO AMERICANS SUCK AT POKEMON
>>59175513Most western players are complete retards who do nothing but stare at smogshit tier lists and don’t even realize singles is an official format in the game, so this isn’t surprising in the slightestsmogshit singlehandedly destroyed competitive pokemon in the west
You know what none of the people I've lost to in Great Ball did? Used stealth rockFuck smogon
>>59175513NOOOOO it doesn't count they're using things that are against our made up rules it's unfair it's not balanced THEY'RE BAD POST ELO
>>59175513[Sad News]Gengar doesn’t learn Shadow Ball in Gen 1
I sure do miss IP count.
>>59175602no, yawnie is not verlis, even though their IQs together don't add up to 100
>>59175513>doubles is the least played formathahahaa for real?
>>59175513Japs are the only ones playing this mobile slop game AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAHAHAAAA
>haha americans suck at the game>nevermind the game is in beta and doesn't even have proper vgc shit lolthat being said, the one point i do see is that if they wanted to make vgc bigger then they should have made the starting tutorial a double battle
>>59175626>>59175637Now this is cope.
>"people" surprised westoids who only play 6v6 singles and doubles don't play 3v3i thought we knew about thisalso showdown is a thing
>>59175547Who says theyre even playing champions? More likely than not they are the ones who are bashing the game and avoiding it.If anything the real takeaway here is that everyone hates VGC Doubles. No matter how much the shills said it was the standard even Japs love singles more.
>>59175513VGC is horse shit
>>59175513VGCbros we can't stop flopping
>>59175661Of course they're bashing it, they got stomped by JP users.
>>59175589I just finished a match where a Japanese player used Glaceon with Brightpowder, Snow Cloak, and Mudslap. If we are gonna beat these gooks we may as well share strategies.
99% of the campaign (and post-game) in the mainline games is in singles formateven the ashnime toohow and WHY would most fans care about doubles at all??lol
>people taught to win by any means beat people who were taught to ban anything that winsGee I fucking wonder why.
So instead of making the entire main game double battles like VGCucks have been repeatedly saying, they should just stick to single battles and make VGC a 3v3 single format instead.
>>59175703Or better yet campaignshitters can simply learn how to play multiplayer instead of being scared little retards
Nah fuck off with your evasionspam.
>>59175547>ignore the rules and make up your own rules>ignore the list of regulation allowed pokemon and make up your own banlist>ban certain atracks, abilities and entire strategies>ban an entire generational gimmick>imsogoodatpokemon.png>step out of your sandbox>instantly get hard stuck in pokeball tierThis is why no one takes smoggies seriously
>>59175513YWNBAJ
>>59175661you and i know that if champion isn't ass in many parts 96% of memegon players hardstuck at ultra 3 at best because all this time they play using their own silly custom rules
>>59175513You left out the funniest part of the tweet
Oh to know if that ? is single or double digits
>>59175595I reached masterball in both singles and Doubles and I think I've only played once against someone using stealth rock (it was in singles), which is funny considering that pkmn like Mega Charizard Y, Pelipper or Incineroar are too common. I guess there aren't any good pkmn who can learn it worth using in the game, and with only three or four pkmn, there aren't that many times when you'll actually switch them like in 6vs6 battles
>>59175698The warrior's spirit always overcomes the fighter's farce. Smogon can only survive by remaining in its safe little enclosure, they are unprepared for true battle where only winning matters.Smogon lacks the yamato damashii
There's as many asterisks to this being a W as there are bans on the Smogon's rule set
>>59175798I think he's talking about single player
>>59175677Because doubles is infinitely more interesting due to it revolving around more than just types and a set up / sweeper? Doubles actually needs you to come up with complimentary combinations and then it has a much larger element of trying to figure out what your opponent is doing and as you have two pokemon on the field, you can properly try to counter them with one while advancing your own strategy with the other. It just works. I wasn't sold on doubles at first but its hard to go back to singles after getting a feel for it. Its just better.
>>59175513>nips are the pokemon cattle that they arewhat else is new
>>59175562doubles are more balanced, which is why they don't have to ban pokemon or strategies like smogon does to achieve a false sense of balance
>>59175703They did. They were called Colosseum and Gale of Darkness, and I’m 100% certain GF threw a fit behind the scenes which led to Battle Revolution’s internal sabotage by TPC
>>59175906>internal sabotageAnon, you read too many shitposts. If Game Freak hated Colosseum then they wouldn't have allowed XD. And if they hated that, they wouldn't have hired half of the staff that made it, including making Shadow Lugia's designer the art director on a major release. Genius Sonority died entirely by their own hand, just like Alpha Dream.I swear half of video game discourse on this site has become high school gossip, except based on schizophrenic ramblings instead of any actual evidence.
>>59175513>>59175589>>59175547>>59175749I know the age and IQ of people who have a seething hatred of Smogon combined wouldn't reach 75, but have you people maybe considered that most people playing Champions don't play Smogon to begin with? Or how a majority of Smogon players play on Showdown?
>>59175906>they threw a fit over my dogshit fanfic game that's worse than the mainline games in every conceivable way!!!funniest cope in existence
>>59175848Yeah man doubles are more balanced, that's why Incireroar has 50% usageYou know 3v3 doesn't ban any pokemon either right?
>>59175921you let a council of trannies tell you that you can't use moody smeargle or that you can't put to sleep more than one pokemon at a time because 6v6 singles is inherently unbalanced
>>59175918>XDGet out
>>59175830blah blah blah you shit and piss yourself praying that your mons dont get flinched and you lose every time the opponent clicks Rock SlideAll your strategy and effort means fuck all when you just end up praying for no flinches every game. Doubles is an actual meme format in terms of strategy
>>59175830>due to it revolving around more than just types and a set up / sweeper?this nigga has default elo
>>59175848>bara Tiger the meta >balanced
>>59175614>verlis is the origin of the gen 1 shadow ball memeYou know what? im not surprised.
>>59175547That's what happens when your first reaction to any particularly good strategy is to immediately ban it instead of finding ways around it
>>59175703Unfortunately will not ever happen because doubles are faster. No one at VGC wants to actually stay at VGC.
>>59175961>Subhuman ESL doesn't know the full name of Gale of Darkness.
>>59175513Why would people on Showdown use Champions?
>>59175513>Back tolollmao, even
>>59175589Seethe more smogcuck, stay in your banhappy safespace for your own safety
>>59176225Two more weeks, and Showdown finally dies, I know I know, I'm so excited too.
Never seen a mobile game where anyone in the west is competitive. Also we hate mobile games, why is anyone taking this seriously?
>>59176051It's not even ran in every top 5 teams
>>59175513>top ranks is all about who can play the most>japs are on topIt's like this in every fucking game that asians play. They have way more no-lifers than the rest of the world.
>>59176232Are you retarded or can you not read Sanderp?
Champions Meta sucks dick
So why is it that the best pokemon are often also ugly?Is it a psyop?
>>59176241That sounds like cope talk. There are sweatjobbers in smogon too
>>59176239Less Incineroar running around because Sneasler is even more popular and hard counters is. Just running an intimidate user you risk turning the opponents Sneasler into The Flash.
>>59175513>smogon creates their own meta>try to play the official meta>failsWell color me surprised
>>59176260Smoggies don't function so well when they have to learn to play around a meta instead of banning whatever mon they don't like.
The funniest thing about verlisify posting this is his elo in one of his videos from the last day is sub 1800 in singles yet he claims he's the best NA player. He's also hard stuck in low elo in league too
>>59176220>"I'm sure to win because my showdown knowledge is superior"That belief is what gets them to use it.The ensuing loss after loss is what gets them to stop using it.
>Japanese are too head backwards to play anything non-official>Americans don't care and just play Showdownokay
>>59176384But how? Surely they are mentally prepared for whatever bullshit if they know everything like it's the back of their hand
>>59176390>Americans got mogged by Sheer Cold Vanilluxe and ran back to Showdownftfy
>>59176390>Japanese are too head backwards to play retarded fanfic slop that bans entire mechanics for no real reason instead of simply clicking on the multiplayer mode that exists in the game
>>59176047They always self report lol
>>59176390This, Japan will always kiss and suck the boots of anything Pokemon, anyone denying this are just as big of a dickrider as them
>>59175782Nice fanfic
>>59175673Aerial Ace like moves are the best counterplay.
>>59176517>haha look at these losers playing Pokemon>meanwhile bigbrained me playing a browser game that borrows heavily from the game those losers are playingWeird flex but okay
all this indicates is that japan has shit taste. nobody is playing this garbage format. and I don't think doubles is good either but who the fuck plays 3v3 singles
>>59176597I don't give a fuck about Showdown either retard, get Game Freak's or in this case ILCA (fucking pathetic) dick out of your mouth
>>59176628sour grapes
>>591766283v3 is funny because it’s a meme and anything can winThat’s why it works though
>>59176628BSS has got to be the most retarded shit I've played from this series, it's so shit, so of course Japan loves it
>>59175513>[Sad News] retards I don’t care about get btfo by Japan Wowzers
>>59176630Why would you post in a containment board in a korean weaving forum for a thing you're not interested anyway? Sounds like you got too many times in your hand
>>59175612Wasn't it removed because a moderator was caught being a faggot?
>>59176051Laughs in Competitive Milotic
Only nips play BSS, of course they top the ladder. Shit’s like saying>[Sad News] westerners absolutely trounced by Indians in street shitting competition
>>59175941Incin’s champions usage is 50% because they got rid of all the other mons that could do his job and half of his counters. In Reg H (the last ACTUAL format) the highest usage rates on mons was about 35% which, spoiler alert, is comparable to the highest usage rates in Smoggy OU
>>59175673pixilate/aerilate/dragonize swifts.
>>59177016Pokémon is a Nip franchise, you dolt.Your fanfic meta doesn't matter to 99% of the player base.
>>59177016Butthurt westoid.
>>59177033>Your fanfic metaVGC doubles?
>>59177034Competitive pokemon is a western game, anon. USA alone has brought home 20 VGC wins to Japan's 16. For all western countries it's 27 wins to Japan + Korea's 18 (that's across all divisions; for only masters division, it's 8 to 6).And that's just counting world championship wins, not looking at overall tournament results (because Japan has its own kid's table tournament structure that isolates it from the rest of the world, presumably for fear of national embarassment). If I asked you to name prominent or noteworthy VGC players, I bet there'd be exactly zero Japanese names you could come up with without looking it up.>Wolfe Glick>Ray Rizzo>Luca Ceribelli>Giovanni Cishke>Aaron Zheng>Marco Silva>James BaekThe only eastern name that springs to mind is Se Jun Park because of Pachirisu shenanigans but even he's Korean, not Japanese.
I was playing SV to get the master ribbon for my Quilava and Sandaconda and JP dudes are all tier whores, but 3v3 was interesting because it wasn't hard to get to Master Ball Tier with weak pokemons.Most of the matches there are against JP people and they fall for dumb meme strats all the time like Focus Sash > Endeavor > Quick Attack, or switch into another Endeavor which is kinda hilarious.
So what strategies that "make smoggies shit themselves" are actually meta in 3v3?>Baton pass setup is too slow to be worthwile in gen 9>Evasion is a meme that is way too inconsistent to work on ladder, let alone an actual elimination tournament>Sleep relies on hypnosis coinflips or slow spore usersThe only things I can see working are powerhouses that smogon bans for being too overcentralizing like Chien Pao or Flutter Mane, or Arena Trap builds
>scolipede to gets in>3v3s become baton pass cancer
>>59177213We have that now with Espathra. Speed Boost + Calm Mind is just quiver dance with a different name and it gets baton pass.
>>59177220I don't see how a baton pass team centered around espartha plays around kingambit at all.
>>59177235How does a baton pass team centered around scolipede do it? I was assuming you were talking about swords dance + baton pass on speed boost scolipede.
it's two years that Japan jobs at Worlds, they are high up in the ladder because they are hikkis with boundless free time
>>59177258scolipede has iron defense and superpower. mega scolipede can straight out delete 252 hp 4 def kingambit guaranteed with 24 atk evs.
>>59177322>scolipede has iron defense and superpowerOk? This isn't a question about how you'd use Scolipede to kill Kingambit, it's a question about how you'd run Scolipede in a baton pass setup. Espathra with max physical bulk investment (since it's calm minding up) will tank a single Kowtow Cleave from a max attack Kingambit, which means even against a Kingambit lead it will be able to calm mind, speed boost, and baton pass to your sweeper before it dies.
>>59177346252+ Atk Black Glasses Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Espathra: 372-438 (94.4 - 111.1%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
>>59177200>Baton pass setup is too slow to be worthwile in gen 9One of the best teams right now is a Mega Floette Baton Pass team.>Evasion is a meme that is way too inconsistent to work on ladder, let alone an actual elimination tournamentOn Garchomp sand teams the Sand Veil can steal games, literally 20% of them. Same for Snow Cloak pokemon. In a tournament that's a hail mary, on ladder that's free elo. And you can unironically run Bright Powder right now for lack of better options. Just don't build some meme shit where you sit around and try to stall a win. Play the pokemon normally and reap the benefits of a passive evasion boost.>Sleep relies on hypnosis coinflips or slow spore usersUse Yawn instead. Or Venusaur in the sun.And there's Shadow Tag Gengar, banned on SHARTdown, which is one of the best pokemon in the meta right now.
>>59177353>Black Glassesah, left this out of my reckoning.Still, it's a little disingenuous to deliberately pick a disadvantageous matchup like that.>28 Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Scolipede: 158-188 (94.6 - 112.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO>28 Atk Incineroar Darkest Lariat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Espathra: 110-132 (54.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO(I'm running 0 Def Scolipede to equalize its special and physical bulk, same as espathra running max physical no special after a single calm mind, which is again equalized bulk. You can go max physical bulk on Scolipede to win that matchup but then I'm just gonna show you the calcs for Charizard Y Heat Wave)
>>59177346>>59177353I'll add I would run both scoli and espartha because having another lead option is an advantage in 3v3. scoli's gameplan should be to pass defense to espeon. +2 spe/def is already 100 base power stored power. I also wouldn't run max def investment espartha because it also needs to be able to ohko mega gengar otherwise you're not getting squat off and there's little that wants to switch into it.
>>59177382I'm not making an argument in a vacuum. kingambit is a legitimate threat to the strat and has high usage. incineroar isn't relevant in 3v3 singles. what are you running with espathra to deal with kingambit? because you aren't getting a calm mind off.
>>59176940>Stalwart Archaludon with Scope Lens>Competitive Milotic with Dragon CheerYup, that's what i call a lead.
>>59177391>scoli's gameplan should be to pass defense to espeonOh you're stored power passing, I thought you were swords dance passing.>it also needs to be able to ohko mega gengar otherwise you're not getting squat offYou aren't outspeeding timid mega gengar even after a turn of speed boost unless you're running points into speed instead of bulk... and even with max special bulk it hits you for 90% HP turn one before you can calm mind; if you ran those points into spatk instead, you'd be dead before you even got a turn, even IF you protected turn one. Even if you run max SpAtk, max Speed modest Espathra and protect turn 1 for the speed boost, you're only looking at 87% to OHKO Mega Geng with Lumina Crash and you GUARANTEED die to Shadow Ball if it lives, meanwhile you've done no setup apart from speed.IMO it doesn't make sense to do offensive investment into a baton pass mon anyway, you should be running bulk to help enable them to set up and pass to your sweeper, and if you're staring down a matchup as disadvantageous as mega gengar you should be switching before it can mega and shadow tag you, not building for the hopeful OHKO so your crippled mon can die the next turn having not accomplished the only thing it was on the field to do.
>>59177411>kingambit is a legitimate threat to the strat and has high usage. incineroar isn't relevant in 3v3 singlesOh, maybe not, I don't give a fuck about 3v3 singles. Gambit and Incin are both top tier threats in VGC doubles.
>>59175513The key clause is>Japan is over 90% of the playerbaseWhat that actually means is that Pokemon battling has largely bombed outside of Japan and that Pokemon the franchise's popularity is dying.It would be one thing if the Japanese were beating tons of Americans and Europeans and what have you. In reality, however, they are vastly outnumbering them in playerbase to begin with. Japan never outsells the rest of the world in games, but here they are making up the bulk of the people who are bothering with this. That is a very bad sign.
>>59175540that's a good questionthe only people who'd make that claim I know of would be Wolfe or Verlisify
>>59175547>>59176142these
>>59175562Double Battles can be fun, but the current crop of options this generation has made it so that it cannot be your main format without you getting sick of it. It's a nice break now and then.
>>59175546The alternative is not 6v6 singles.
>>59175569Verlisify will always be relevant. No need to pay for shilling.
>>59175513>Let's make Competitive Pokemon more Casual Friendly >FlopsRest in Piss
>>59175586No. There is no Master Duel Meta for Pokemon Champions.
>>59175589Yup.>>59176232Retard that can't read.
>>59175595>lost to people in fucking great ball
>>59177575Pretty much. Western players don't derive enjoyment out of bashing their head against PVP the same way japs do unless they're a specific breed of autistic, whereas most western autists are easygoing enthusiasts who stick to Player VS Game content like completing the dex and shiny hunting, or hardcore nuzlocker ecelebs who still prefer PVE in the form of romhacks because it allows them to indulge in their calculator and spreadsheet autism in a rigid, unchanging environment.
>>59175513Almost as if being 90% of the playerbase means you'll probably represent 90% of top players too
>>59176058wasn't that yawnie?some people thought verlis and yawnfag were the same, but no, yawnie was identified as some kojo guy. but I think the gen 1 shadow ball retard was yawnie, I may be wrongnot that either of them is particularly smart or mentally stable>>59177579as attentional as he is I don't recall wolfe explicitly stating he's the world's best
>>59177597>Verlisify will always be relevantBecause the world needs a lolcow who seethes like a bitch every time Wolfe Glick wins
>>59177643genuinely nobody gives a fuck outside this boardsometimes people hear about him and it's like "oh he exists. Nevermind" and continue with their business. I don't think he has even generated actual outrage since he tried to harass a child for a supposed genned mon and that was like, pre covid
>>59177575>graph stops just before the next mainline releaselol…Anyway this is just business as usual if you played ranked in any of the games you play against a Japanese name most of the time
>>59177662>nobody gives a fuck outside this boardTrue, but if he's going to keep making his posts this blatantly obvious he deserves to get shit on
>>59177611>Western players don't derive enjoyment out of bashing their head against PVP the same way japs dothat is likely falseagain, it's a sign Pokemon as a whole is dyingif it's anything like what you're saying, it may be having to deal with blatant cheaters discouraging people from wasting their time trying to compete on an uneven playing field
>>59177662>>59177682Verlisify lives rentfree in Twitter users' minds
>>59177677maybe because the graph is older than the next mainline release you retarded zoomer
>>59175593>Most western players are complete retards...you know all this how?
>>59175597lel
>>59175640>>59175626 is not cope if you accept the premise that Japan is the vast majority of the playerbaseit's literally true by definition then, tardo
>>59175546I haven't even touched 3v3.I don't want to play that crap.
>>59175830Fake Out + Protect + Spread Move is not "infinitely more interesting" you dufus
>he's talking in third person nowwatching the steep decline of someone who at some point actually used to be big, is truly heartbreaking.they're traveling and earning money and you're self referencing in fucking 4chan
>>59175698well-put
>>59177698So if the graph shows a big spike in merch sales for the release of the previous mainline game and then it goes back to normal, why the fuck would you interpret it as “Pokemon is dying” isn’t it more likely they’re gonna start selling more shit again at the next release? The graph clearly shows a repeating pattern of spiking in sales for every paired generation.
>>59175721this post reads so childishly
Ok, since you guys looooove to complain about the bans on showdown please do tell me how would you deal with the following strategies while also keeping your team competitively consistent >Baton Pass chains>Shed tail/Last respects>Perish song mega Gengar>Evasion strategies >Moody abuse >OHKO move spam >Quick claw bullshit Remember your team needs to be able to deal with this while also standing a chance against other competitive teams, and remember these are singles!
>>59175749facts
>unironically pushing the narrative that "pokemon is le dying" solely to save face for the fact that only mindless jappos like PVP in a metagame where you're encouraged to be as much of an RNG gambling shitbag as possible to win
>>59177735I would simply use quick claw Walrein with rest sheer cold fissure and sleep talk to check these
>>59177728Verlis was always a lolcow, even when he was "big."
>>591777356v6 singles is an unsalvageable format and nobody should take your thought exercise seriously.Also part of team building is acknowledging you WILL have blind spots and trying to deal with them as best you can.
>>59177735>look at usage stats>none of these strategies are common, let alone dominating them gameIt's called letting the meta stabilize
>>59177751And the meta's shifting constantly because of how many strats, counters, checks and niche scenarios people are having to keep up with. Zard Y was king at first but now literally no one is using him, even Tony is losing his throne because he gets mogged by a physical attacker of all things.
what about 4v4
>>59175513>doubles is the least played formatIt’s funny to see this after years of people here insisting it grew extremely big
>>59177735competitive pokemon is balanced around doublesall of those strategies become less bullshit when you can be attacked by two pokemon at once, or have your turn negated by one pokemon while the other attacks you
>>59177782GameFreak still isn't going to switch to 3v3 singles for VGC because doubles will always remain the faster format. Any attempts to speed up singles will invariably speed up doubles. No one at GameFreak, The Pokemon Company, or any of the players, actually want to spend too much time at VGC.
>>59177782>least played formattheres literally 2 formats bro
>>59177797Verlis hasn't spent any time at VGC lmao
>>59177782VGCfags are delusional, have been for awhile
>>59177782Game Freak want Doubles to be the main format, but never put in the effort to build a mainline game around it.So when casuals make the switch to PvP, they'll play Singles because that's what they already know.
>>59177828A heel wrestling tiger does not concern itself with the opinions of singlets
>>59177819he actually showed up at a regional once many years ago and dropped 0-3. He's been seething about VGC players ever since
>>59177828And that's why Champions exists now, shitlips. Trying to turn mainline games into a gateway into PVP will alienate toddlers and ubercasuals who just want to mash super effective moves to win.Yes, it's a trial by fire for anyone jumping into Champions who isn't experienced with doubles, but it's always been this way because they don't want to create that alienation, and having Champions be this F2P gateway helps filter the casuals who aren't going to be interested so they can return to mainline and remain happy, content players grinding event raids and hunting shinies, and those not filtered will one day become the autists who will be paying hefty sums to go compete at officially sanctioned IRL tournaments, putting yet more money into Pokemon's pockets.
>>59177845And (normie) singlets give no shits about said heel tiger
Why is anyone posting Verlisify?Furfaggots get the fucking rope. Anyone with a brain could look at Showdown's engagement and know how people use it. VGC doubles dwarfed OU all through gen 9, randbats is bigger than both but that's a non-format.Doubles has been bigger than singles for a long time.
>>59177662>genuinely nobody gives a fuck outside this boardThere's an hour long essay by Down the Rabbit Hole on Youtube about him. Normies know the dude now.
>>59177873>Smash amiiboSmashies dont care for Incineroar, he's a shit fighter
>>59177873Thia will never get old, what a fucking failed shillmon
>>59177873>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT [RELIC FROM THE DYING TOYS TO LIFE CRAZE FOR OTHER GAME]
>>59177759>>the meta's shifting constantly because of how many strats, counters, checks and niche scenarios people are having to keep up with>Ohnoooooo variety in my competitive video game whatever will i do?
>>59177873just restocked
>>59177873IncinSisters...
>>591777486v6 singles is the main thing you do in every mainline game. THE way to play Pokemon. Showdown > Champions.
>>59177890Some person I've never heard of did an hour-long vid about someone I only vaguely know about.Big Whoop.
>>59177925Actually the main thing you do is 6v5 or less.
>>59177925More like 6v3-4
>>59177890>>59177938a bunch of people learned about it, lol'd, and moved on with their lives
>>59177942>>59177943and in practice 1v3-4 because you just sweep with your lead
>>59177925Not true, 95% of the game is 6v1, 6v2, 6v3 and eventually 6v4. You only get a handful of 6v6s in the campaign, and then they only become standard for bosses in the DLC where, because there's been a year between then and now, all your mons are already level 100 and optimized, thrashing level 70-90 shitters.
>>59177925Based and Truthpilled If it was real Pokemon CHAMPIONS it would be 6v6, not this 3v3 bullshit or whatever the fuck Doubles is
>>59177953You could always stick to Shitdown
>>59177925This is why campaignshitters like smogshit so much btw, the 6v6 format makes them feel like they’re “included” without ever having to actually touch multiplayer because they’re too afraid of losing
>>59177873there wouldn't be that much supply if there was no demanddo you think nobody is buying pepsi because it's always in stock?
>>59177925>the only 6v6 in the game is the campaign made for toddlersYou are one step away from figuring it out
>>59177961If showdown is shit what is champions?
>>59177977Not Shitdown
If GameFreak really cared about turning casuals into comptards, the mainline games would adopt the "team of six, but choose 3/4 mons to take into battle against trainers" standard of PVP, and after your first badge to make sure Little Timmy knows that fire hurts grass really good and understands "ohhh I need more Pokemon to battle trainers", the training wheels come off, and you get barred from every single battle thereafter until you have at least four mons in your party, because it's all 4v4 doubles from now on.
>>59177961More people on showdown play the VGC doubles format than OU, so if they're trying to avoid doubles they'll have a really time with that.
>>59177925>>59177981Most battle facilities in the main game were 3v3 with doubles but I’d forgive you for forgetting about that since GF killed postgame
>>59177979It’s over, Smogon won
>>59177988Yeah, battle facilities, which only autists played because they were RNG traps designed to piss you off because you got unlucky.Huh, sounds familiar to what's happening with the Champions metagame...
Doubles renders so many glass cannon pokemon as useless
>>59177996Singles renders so many moves and abilities as useless
>>59177985you know you can choose the format you're going to play right?the existence of VGC in showdown doesn't affect the smoggie experience
>>59177953Can't argue with this
>>59177981Doubles still makes no logical in world sense. If I can control 2 creatures that well, why not 3? I may as well send out my whole party. Or a whole box of mons. 6v6 singles has always been the “ideal” and Smogon is the only ones making it work. The anime does it, the games do it, the fucking TCG does it. Being more balanced doesn’t matter, VGC has always been for midwits and tryhards like >>59177975
>>59178014Holy autism
>>59177985True but more people play 6v6 singles randbats than both. In fact I think it’s more than both put together but I’m not 100% sure and am too lazy to fact check it. But for sure randbats is the #1 showdown format by a large margin.
>>59177996your sneedler bro?
>VGCfags really thought their format would be popularLol, Lmao even
>>59178014>b-but it doesn't make sense in-world!Neither does Paldea and Kitakami being the sole regions that don't abide by the "if a trainer looking for a battle spots you, it's on sight and you CANNOT refuse" standard the entire rest of the Pokemon world uses.
>>59177420you need a specific modest ev spread to ohko mega gengar after 1 speed boost. the minimum to guarantee the ko the rest in bulk. and your sweeper should be using stored power or powertrip because unaware doesn't ignore the increased base power.>IMO it doesn't make sense to do offensive investment into a baton pass mon anyway,you need to be able to get your boosts off the ground to begin with. if they swap to a check and you're able to take it out guaranteed that's better than trying to play around it.
>>59178022It is, but it's pretty much the "switch off brain" format, and also the little timmy format.Just like singles 3v3 ingame, that's why so many people play that
>>59177996Sneasler is right at the top.Aerodactyl is enjoying wide usage and it basically must be sashed.Zard Y is a glass cannon, one rockslide breaks it.Calyrex Shadow was top restricted.Urshifu is a glass cannon, massive usage.Mega Gengar is way up there in usage.Why do we have retards, who don't play the game, saying shit that simply isn't true?
>>59178026They also thought campaignshitter would catch on
>>59175513Doubles will never be more popular than Singles, no matter how much some retard at Game Freak wants it to be
>>59178036It already is. What are we even discussing here?
come back home to natdex doubles 6v6, white man
>>59178014I wish they would bring back Triples and Rotation Battles.They were fun. A bit jank, but fun.
Doubles and VGC are gay because matches last less than five minutes. TCG is the most popular and dominant part of the competitive scene for Pokémon.
Funny how VGCfags complained about Smogon but VGC was the actual shitty fake meta that doesn’t match the game at all.
>>59178029>the minimum to guarantee the koAs I said, even with MAX spatk investment you cannot guaranteed OHKO mega geng with Espathra, and it guaranteed 2 shots you if you’re max bulk and guaranteed 1 shots you if you instead go speed investment, so either way you aren’t surviving the turns required to ensure its removal from the field (either it kills you after one Lumina crash, or it hits you, you Lumina crash, then it kills you at the start of next turn)
>>59178033What is "campaignshitter" in this context?6v6 Singles?
>>59178037lol u funi
>>59178057randbats isn't a serious format.
>>59178033They're getting desperate
>>59178037It is?
>>59178067It is.
>>59178051>Lumina crashpsychic can do it with 168 modest, 72 speed evs to beat timid after a protect and speed boost.
>>59175626Showdown can be play in mobile too...
>>59177735Can someone explain why mega gengar perish song is so op? I ran into one in pokemon chumps but dismantled it completely with just some dogshit team I had thrown together and im newer to the comp scene
Gen 9 VGC formats in March: 1.7m battles total.All Gen 9 smogon formats(ou,ru,uu,ubers,etc), no randbats or memes: 1.67m battlesThe data doesn't tell the whole story though because both Reg I and Reg F are tired formats that are running just before Champions arrived in April. Reg af ended in March while Reg I is going until Champions takes over at Indianapolis. Many players have opted out of doing these events as long as they had Champ Points taken care of.The gulf for VGC formats and Singles was widest in 2024 and 2025.
>>59178121He’s talking about 6v6 it’s just a meme strat in champions
>>59178117Is Showdown live service with a battle pass and gacha?
>>59178121iirc perish trapping is just popular in general. I guess this is the epic gameplay of doubles
>>59175513lol
>>59178155Daaang were us uncs banned from VGC in 2008-2010?
>>59178155>different champ every yearHallmark of braindead RNG slop. Last time this was a strategy game is 2012.
>>59178199The final result seldom tells the story of someone's season.The meta changes and evolves through a season. You'd generally like to be on the cutting edge of what's happening, but sometimes that's not possible.Giovanni, the current champ, kept the same team all through Reg I and only made small optimizations. He chose to learn the matchups forward and back. He absolutely dominated worlds with a 14-1 record. If it was all luck and chance then you'd lose matches 50% of the time.
>>59178212The champ's record is always gonna look good, he just highrolled the shit out of worlds. If he's so good why didn't he win 2024? Oh you mean he didn't even make top 8? Wow...
>>59178233Look at his results prior to and after worlds. He didn't just "high roll" worlds, but several regionals and internats. I'll even spoonfeed you because I know you're retarded and arguing in bad faith like some furfag.https://limitlessvgc.com/players/1274Your complaints of "dood rng" just sounds like you're low iq and dogshit at the game. No one taught you critical thinking skills necessary to identify what is actually random vs having random elements.
>Verlis shitpost has over 200 repliesthis board is fucking dead
>>59178248RNG coper
>>59178248>didn't win a SINGLE event before or sincethanks for proving my point I guess
>>59178258Nothing to discuss anyway because it's been factually proven no one except Japan actually plays Pokemon.
>>59178258half of the replies are just OP saying "cope" to try and keep his thread relevantalso you had your fucking chances to get off the board and go to greener pastures but you didn't take them, you get what you fucking deserve
>>59178288Ah yes most popular media franchise in the world but no one plays it because they don't play your specific format. Fuck off.
>>59177735How would *you* know when your only frame of reference is an environment wherein all of these have never existed for years now? You're like someone who only knows Primary colors arguing a priori about what painting with the Secondary colors would be like.
>>59177738Pokemon is inherently and fundamentally a game of RNG and nothing attempted will ever change that. Hence why Smogon is so retarded.
Be for real now Do you seriously think competitive pokemon is the only thing westoids are terrible at?
>>59177912I think you are misreading that post.
>>59177796>competitive pokemon is balanced around doublescampaignshitters really believe this bullshit
>>59177819Verlisify prefers singles.He makes the claim that he was the first American player to reach Master Ball tier in Champions. He streamed doing so day 1.
>>59177828It is interesting how they can't do something as simple as make their own Colosseum yet won't officially support a singles format which the actual games are all based around.
>>59178381>falsrflagging this hardYou will never be me, campaignshitter. Go back playing plass if you can't handle the real pokemon experience
>>59177859Not even GameFreak knows why Champions exists. It's certainly not for the reasons you claim, evidently.
>>59178381How do I use Power of Alchemy in singles?How do I use Friend Guard in singles?How do I use Symbiosis in singles?How do I use Curious Medicine in singles?How do I use Follow Me or Rage Powder in singles?How do I use Quash in singles?
>>59177873yep
>>59178402although, it does have more fans than these other nugen fire starters
>>59178399How do I use Plus/Minus in singles?How do I use Lightning Rod in singles?False equivalency you retard.Having doubles shit doesn't mean the game is doubles-centric.
>>59175513>Verlistard still malding at Wolfey and SmogonBuy an ad faggot, you'll always be the resident lolcow and nothing else.Also:>my bitch is so stupid we call it Verlisify!Man shofu was based
>>59177883>Why is anyone posting Verlisify?Because he's relevant and has worthwhile things to say.
>>59178422
>>59178422We all know it's you Verlis, no need to talk about yourself in third person.>relevantYou crying like a bitch isn't particularly relevant.
>>59175513>over 90% of playerbase are Japanese.Checks out. All tendies who lick and suck the Nintendo tags of their plushies. You'll be faithful to the best company in the world!Palworld won.
>>59178033campaignshitter is firmly in the /vp/ lexicon now, tranny
>>59178394nice try campaignshitter, go back to hgss grinding a stantler
>>59178439As a term used by an idiot (singular)
>>59178446yeah, just like how only one guy on here hates unova
>>59178461it's probably the same dude btw
>I force it everywhere so now its in the lexicon that means IM RIGHT
>>59175547smoggies are like those martial arts practitioners. no matter how much they mastered the art, a gun can still easily kill them.
>>59178461this but unironically
Baton Pass would be easier to counter if GF didn't arbitrarily ban Choice Band and Specs from the game
>>59175513Doesn't Europe have the most world champions?
>>59178570In Football.Not in video games. Video games actually break the law because they collect data from you which is illegal here. Only fools ignore that.
this thread is A U T I S M
showdown has 6v6 and all the mons, if champions had either all the mons or 6v6 I would probably switch, but I'm not going to deal with both problems
>>59177735Simple. I would change 6v6 singles to be 4v4 singles. One of the biggest benefits of having a bench is that not every Pokemon has to come to every fight. You can have a niche counterpick mon that's just there for specific matchups. As for losing to things like Moody/Quick Claw/RNG, I would just take the loss. They are, on average, not very good strategies, so any players running them wouldn't get very high on the ladder. That said, it would make sense to ban explicitly rng based strategies if that's what the community wanted anyways because that's the point of house rules. But the other strategies? The ones deemed "overpowered" in singles but are fine in doubles can be countered just fine with dedicated bench Pokemon.
>>59178411enjoy using mega skarm in singles
>>59178870>That said, it would make sense to ban explicitly rng based strategies if that's what the community wanted anyways because that's the point of house rules.sorry buddy, this is real life, candyland fanfic metas can go back.why yes, i DO play smash bros with items on and only go to official nintendo-sanctioned ones
>>59178570>>59178570Japan 5, USA 5, Italy 2, Portugal 1, Korea 1, Ecuador 1There's also the 2000 event in Australia (won by a brit) and the video game showdown in 2008 (won by a nip), but the former is too removed from the rest to count, and the latter is not Worlds per se so it's debatable whether it counts or not
>>59176208Tourist spotted
>>59175830All doubles revolves around is Incineroar + a speed control move + Rock Slide/Heat Wave/Hyper Voice
>>59177996No it doesn't, what are you talking about? Half the reason Incineroar is so popular is because Intimidate + Fake Out enables glass cannon win conditions
>>59179000You’re forgetting Dazzling Gleam
Since this is the designated smogon hate thread: I think it’s very ironic how playing literally any format that isn’t 6v6 has caused a number of smogonfags to realize that not every mega is or should be designed around their autistic format. I am honestly amazed this is something they were unaware of and thought it was just them being incredibly self-centered. They just honestly never played anything else, I guess.
>>59175941Incineroar isn't even that prominent right now. Smoggies don't get to bitch about stale overused Pokemon when Lando-T has at always been at 40-50% usage for over a decade
>>59179128Incineroar will be making a decade of being bullshit in VGC in a year
>>59176255I miss when Arcanine was the go-to Intimidate spammer
Singles is dogshit
>>59179128>Incineroar isn't even that prominent right nowin every damn vgc ruleset he's been legal with intimidate and especially with parting shot he's defact-o the most used
Competitive Pokemon is dogshit
>>59179128Lando has never been over 40% lmao whereas the tiger of the healthy meta in vgc has had over 60% usage
>>59179161Sneasler ate his cake laughed while doing it
>>59177859The biggest problem with Champions is that it does a terrible job of starting someone from the ground up. The tutorial is literally “Grass beats Water, Water beats Fire” that anyone who watched an episode of the Ashnime decades ago would already know. It doesn’t have any tutorials that explain advanced strategies before it throws you to the wolves. If you touched VGC at any point between the GBA/DS era and now, you have a major advantage over all the casuals and Timmies trying to learn it for the first time. It’s like TPC doesn’t want VGC to be accessible even in their official game for it. Even Pokemon Stadium 2 on N64 had the “Pokemon Academy” mode that taught the player basic Gen 2 combos like Sunny Day+Solarbeam and Endure+Reversal. Ironically 3v3 BSS format is a holdover from the N64 Stadium games.>>59179000This is no different from 3v3 singles revolving around who can boost up with Dragon Dance/Calm Mind first, or 6v6 smoggie format revolving around getting Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes up and KOing the other team’s Defogger first.
>>59177803That just makes it worse
>>59175513Eeh... You guys are aware this tweet was made by a Furfaggot with a hateboner for Wolfe right?
>>59179323>furfag>hates a wolfOh the irony
>>59176208Newfags should be publically humilated.
