Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.Switch 2 users: Launch the game in handheld mode or undock/redock to get the performance boost>NewsChampion Tier & Master ranks 1-3 unlocked for current seasonWarm Up Challenge competition over, Gardevoir reward availableFree Machamp mystery gift code: CHAMP10NSeason 1 runs until May 13Mobile release possibly leaked for June>Linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/https://x.com/Pokemon_Champs (EN) https://x.com/Poke_Champ_jp (JP)Pokémon data: https://serebii.net/pokedex-champions/Available mons: https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/pokemon.shtmlMega abilities: https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/megaabilities.shtmlResources: https://pikalytics.com/Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 quick coupons, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.>Previous Thread>>59181836
OCE Champions Invitational.https://www.youtube.com/live/C7kLEiTshr4Henry Rich and another guy are hosting, this is the channel that some official events get hosted on in upside down land.
OP should be using Munchstats.Also for real time standings/information on official tournaments you can use https://www.pokedata.ovh/That should be added there.
>>59184795Mega Kang? Okay im interested
>>59184805Plus fake out Megastoise
>>59184795>spectator mode doesn't show items or HP numbers of Pokemon not on the fieldOne job
>>59184819please understand
>>59184795Goddamn double jebaited
shit game
new thread: boring, lameold thread: exciting, free shiny birds
Alright, what's the best answer for fucking archaludon?
>>59184859Really depends on your team comp.For my team (sand), its Excadrill who one shots him, and Floette who just shrugs everything off and can two-tap him
>>59184859Punch it a bunch in close proximity.Arch is such a fraud now without body press and AV.
>>59184867How is excadrill oneshotting? Sand force?
>>59184859any strong earthquake or close combat user if you haven't already fed it stamina stacks.
Just got to Master Rank in Doubles, what team comp and build is recommended for Mega Venasaur?
I got to masterball, im new to vgc and it felt good. Not gonna lie though im using some super broken meta rain team and felt like im gonna be a super weak player using sonething else. Aero and Sneasler carried me so hard, its such a busted lead combo. At my low rank lots of matches were auto won by my pellipers wide guard, feels like people don’t know what the move does lol
>2k mmr in singles>3 games back to back give me>giga impact mega lopunny>fly mega dragonite>minimize sub recover mega starmiewhat on earth is going on in japan bro lmfao these guys have gone fucking insane
content update when
Do you guys use showdown to test teams before committing?
I just want to get to Champion Rank with my Yellow Rat, /vp/ros.
I just got clowned on by some firafarig ally switch shit after a massive 4 loss streak. Completely tilted
Give me back Tera. Better than megashit.
God man the bot matches after a loose streak is so humiliating I know I'm shit gamefreak you don't have to rub it in
>>59185011>teraslop
>>59185015At least a match is over quickly, that shit was so ass in Unite.
>>59185009log off nigga. You're only hurting yourself>just one more ga-no. log off. 16 years of playing TEKKEN have taught me hown bad the tilt is. Be grateful that Pokémon doesnt hit you with demotion mstches
>>59184791I fell in love with scarfed Kleavor and I want a better team (singles), this is what I'm currently running, can anyone help? I'm a low tier player who's just learning the game, haven't played competitive since Gen 4, the biggest hole in the team is I don't have anyone that covers ground type coverage, and I recently got AZ Floette so I might phase out Meganium
To those who play 3v3 singles; how depressed are you and why do you subject yourself to this?
>>59185020Yeah I just did the mandatory bot match and I'm done for the night.
>>59185038singles is way more chill and straightforward than dubs
>>59184859turn off its rain
Speed seems really fucked up right now. It feels like all the good pokemon are in really good speed tiers. There aren't enough good bruisers in the game. All the good ones that are in the game end up being related to weather somehow.
>>59185038It's fun
>>59184791>it's another "showdown player can't use their gimmicks so the game is bad' episodeTrying to bring friends into this who 'play pokemon PvP' is annoying as fuck because you'll get the showdown people who refuse to adapt to a new ruleset or learn a new strategy within the new rules. It's almost like fighting games with really long combos and degenerate playstyles. They fail to understand that while it's fun to do those things, it's absolutely ass to be on the receiving end.
how do you check your mmr? all i see is masterball rank#~26k and a number ~1.6m
Man, it's so dumb that we don't have a battle recorder yet. I'm sure they're gonna implement one soon enough, but I would like to record some battles now. Just had a battle that I shouldn't have won after icy wind and dual wingbeat missed the Sinistcha so that it could set up trick room. But somehow it worked out.
>>59185120Last night the enemy Mega Greninja survived my Max EV Adamant ScarfChomp's Earthquake from full HP while his full HP Incineroar got KO'd by it.Then he took out my Chomp with Blizzard. I had a Full HP MegaGarde that sat there with Protect and legit thought I was done cause the fuck had Gunkshot.Somehow my Goth girl tanked it to 29 HP and then finished Potential frog off.
So, is anyone else working on getting a badge of their favorite pokemon? I'm about half to my Glaceon badge. Probably gonna get a couple other badges at the same time because I'm mostly playing only my snow team but those don't matter to me.
>>59184859Any earth power user Or aure sphere
Last thread an anon mentioned Sylveon as an alternative to Floette using Hyper Beam of all things. What kind of team would you run with this? Anon if you're here, whats your SylvBeam team? Its been a good while since i've Hyper Beamed some niggas. Seems like fun. please don't tell me the rest of the squad is like Baracat, Sneasler, Sinistcha etc
>>59185131I wish I could find a way to use Glaceon
>>59185038Singles is just throw your favourite pokemon and win or lose.
>pokemon affected by a status condition have their framerate loweredHas anyone else noticed this?
>>59185155That's a thing since Gen 6. Pokemon that got hit with a status will have a slower idle animation
>>59185177Oh, huh.It looks really bad. It's not just slowed down, it's literally choppy.
>See Farigiraf and Sinistcha on my opponent's team>Pick Aerodactyl and Garchomp to maybe shut down trick room>Blastoise and Farigiraf>Blastoise fakes out my Aerodactyl, but Farigiraf still flinches>Turn 2 two rock slides, both flinch>Turn 3 Blastoise switches to Sinistcha, Farigiraf flinches>Turn 4 try to dual wingbeat Sinistcha, but it misses>Opponent clicked trick room on both of them and they both got to attackThey forfeited afterwards. I can't even imagine the crashout they must've have had.
>>59185144>I wish I could find a way to use GlaceonPut her on a Blizzard spam team with Froslass, if you play doubles. That's what I'm doing. And it's been good enough to get me to Ultra 2, and I intend to take her to Master tier. I don't think Glaceon has a niche in BSS.
>>59185141budget trickroom team, the main move is hyper voice, hyperbeam is just there as a finisher or incase i really need to takeout an important threat or can't use hyper voice for some reason. there really isn't that many mons at all that can take a hyperbeam without being OHKO unless they resist it, but there is obv downside to using it ofc. It's the aggron starter team with farigarif instead of arcanine and trickroom on whimsicott (due to lack of other options, i literally don't have any other mons, but prankster support in trickroom is actually kind of nice and negates the fact its too fast). The main idea is aggron completely walls physical attackers and sylveon can tank the special attackers. You can obv improve on it, sinistra and incin would probably go really well on the team if you have them. I've also pondered the idea of using a mega-flotte as a support mon to boost the high sylveon damage to even more retarded levels.
>>59185199Snow Cloak I imagine? Is it like Blizzard/Helping Hand/Other moves?
>>59185189I'm so sick of sinistcha
>>59185204Yeah, Snow Cloak. Holding Nevermelt Ice. Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Shadow Ball and Protect.I wouldn't run Helping Hand. Glaceons role on my team is to click Blizzard and sometimes Freeze-Dry. If she can't do that then she probably shouldn't be brought to that match.Pretty standard teammates: Froslass, Garchomp, Incelroar, Milotic and Kingambit.
>tfw too much anxiety to queue up
Has anyone tried running double screens? A-Veil along with Light Screen in this case. I wanna do some stupid Avalugg memes kek.
>>59185251Just play a few games and it will go away
>>59185252aurora veil dmg reduction does not stack with reflect/light screen
>>59185257oh that's unfortunaterare case of GF holding back
What's a clean answer to Farigiraf? I can deal with its partner but I feel like actually OHKOing it isn't easy.
>>59185135Is Helioptile a good counter to the feesh?
>>59185275Helioptile is incredibly good right now.
>>59185280What's a good replacement for Leftovers for a bulky Rotom Wash in singles? Sitrus?
>>59185239I'm playing it myself cause I noticed how much of a problem it can be. But somehow mine doesn't live nearly as long as my opponents'. I have to figure out how to use it properly.
Are Sableyes usually Mega or do they like Prankster more?
>>59185270If fully defensive invested it is almost impossible to 1 shot when it only has 2 weaknesses and we lack life orb, choice band, and choice specs.
>>59185297according to battle data, in doubles pretty much only prankster, in singles 60% mega
Something I don't see complained about enough is how putting the Switch in and out of sleep mode forces you back to the title screen instead of reconnecting then and there.
>>59185318The game just can't handle sleep mode yet. It's such an obvious issue that there's not even any point in complaining about it. And it's probably gonna get fixed soon enough anyway.
>>59185280Damn really? Uplifting news
>>59185280It's a hard counter to the fish but otherwise it still dies to a light breeze.
>>59184795>More Aussies using KangGood to know I’m not the only one but MB has been a slog. Finished the day only marginally better than from when I started. Might swap Torkoal back to Chandelure but that had its own issues. Still also have to RNG manip a Corvi from Sword with one of the rare marks and find someone to help me turn my Gen 3 Girafarig into a Farig
>>59185275I think with dry skin Basculegion can't touch it, since he's also normal type and ghost moves won't hit.
I made it to Ultra Ball but I now see why everyone is calling this game unplayable.I am not going to use a "meta" team so I guess that is it for me in this game.
>>59185318I’m still annoyed ILCA was given this game to make when I like to imagine Genius Sonority would have done a better job and included multiple body options like in Battle Rev.
>>59185340Getting to Master is unironically not that hard and you can do it with meme teamsYou might need to make some concessions but what are you trying to run
>go into MegaCharY team>Read the MegaCharY for filth and prioritize cracking down on the Venasaur ASAP>Fake Out and Rock Slide>leave fucker at half HP>dude switches out CharY for Dragapult>finish off Venasaur >dude sends out Aerodactyl>think the Dragapult is Scarfed so switch into Sinistcha>probably another moment I contemplate why I run the cute little shit cause it practically dies to Dual Wingbeat >same turn find out Dragapult has Sitrus >ScarfChomp and MegaGarde go out>Rock Slide>Dragapult survives, Aerodactyl flinches >Dragon Claws Chomp>survives at 50 HP>KO it and Aero with Hyper Voice>sends out the CharY>VIOLATE ITI'm still Ultra 3, and will be until I can grind on Monday and Tuesday better, but I'm contemplating fixing up my team.
How is Mega Golurk? Can't decide between recruiting him or Clefable.
>>59185131I might do this too...
What the FUCK is "Population Bomb"? It hits 10 times, flinches and almost kills a bulky Pokemon in one go without a crit or being super effective. This shit needs to be banned.
>>59185376Trick Room monster, everyone forgets about his ability. Typing is surprisingly good.
Casual Battles count towards badges btwnot that anyone here would do that right?
>>59185332No, it resists flying moves
>>59185383I do most of my battles in casual because ladder is far too sweaty. I can't stand the stench that comes out of my switch if I do more than a couple of ranked matches at a time.
>>59185383If you're in Ultra/Master and want a badge for your favorite shitmon you might need to do casual matches
>>59185379Thanks. What about Kleavor? I'd written him off but he has a cool design.
>>59185332It actually has solid spdef, it does well against rain teams in general. Anyway Sash exists.
I'm so fucking tired of Trick room and perish trap players. It's not even fucking playing the game, it's a team check and it's so fucking boring
>>59185413Tbh Trick Room is only relevant because 9 times out of 10 every retard is running some Tailwind Pokemon.If it's not the fuck ass cottonball, it's any of the four viable fucking ass birds.
>>59185413More like skill check teams. Perish trap plays like a flowchart and Trick Room can be beaten by any team if you play right.
>>59185413>It's not even fucking playing the game, it's a team check and it's so fucking boringThe game has been gimmicks and teamchecks from the start.What do you think weather is?
>>59185419That's exactly what he's saying. It's a team check. Either you have a specific answer to the flowchart or you lose, and vice versa.
>>59185416I also forgot to mention how there's very little bulk in any of those teams outside of MAYBE Incineroar and the rare Corviknight if they're running it.
So if you let a trial recruitment expire, they stay in your box and are still able to be permanently recruited later?
i love running unconventional and often bad teams dont care if i lose its fun
>>59185430That makes no sense, a predictable team that plays like a flowchart only makes it easier to come up with a gameplan regardless of your team. Neither perish or TR need specific tools to be beaten.
>>59185459Yeah
Now that I hit masterball in singles, I guess I should try doubles. Do you get more slots for doing master rank in both formats?
>>59185467>neither perish or TR need specific toolstell us how to beat them then if it's so easy
Do you need to transfer Ash-Frog to get Battle Bond? Or is Battle Bond locked out of Champions?
>>59185492Only the giraffe has any built in protection from most Mons that check Trick Room.
I have a female Incineroar with a Classic Ribbon. It's from an event back in SuMo. That's a pretty rare Pokémon. Might even be my rarest.What's your rarest Pokémon?
>>59185494Battle bond is fake news
GREAT BALL SHITTER TO ULTRA BALL SHITTER
>>59185503I have legit shiny Koraidon and Miraidon, if we’re talking events only
>>59185492By outplaying your opponent?Beating hard TR teams is basically just positioning yourself until it's stalled out, they fall apart afterwards. Perish trap is mostly punishing obvious Protects and switches.
They gave me the full-Eevee team NPC...
>>59185518I hear you only get that team if you go on a massive losing streak
>first battle against a real opponent was some jap with a stall team>It just ended as a draw after twenty minutes from him stalling with an iron defense, recover, toxic, baneful bunker toxapex against my corviknightWhy would you do this to yourself and others, Japanese man
I feel like dropping Delphox for Mega Tyranitar to check Rain Teams.
>>59185529I was on an Ultra Ball 3+ win streak and then went on a 3-loss streak when I encountered that team
You are tasked with giving Electro Shot to two other lines: one Electric, and one non-Electric.
>>59185547Also movesets. Trying to get to Master Ball Rank.
>>59185550Pikachu and Lucario
>>59185550Regieleki and Iron Valiant
>>59185503I’d like to say the shiny Suicune I RNG’d for from Colosseum when I browsed a friend’s copy a few years back, but the 4 shinies from the Duskull line take the cake there>First shiny was Tauros in LG in 2004 >Forgot to trade it to Ruby in 2005 when I reset the game for a fresh playthrough>Friends didn’t believe shinies were a thing (lived in rural stralia and internet was dog shit)>One friend finally snaps when we’re dicking around on my Ruby save file to stop telling lies>A minute later come across a shiny Duskull on Mount Pyre>Only had 3 Great Balls>Managed to get it in the third one, nicknamed it Tauros>Have traded it up to every game up to SM (never got a Switch), gotten every ribbon possible on it, evolved it into Dusknoir in 2013 before getting into competitive and realising my mistake >A week afterwards I pull the shiny Dusknoir card from a random Plasma Blast booster>Went back to Ruby and got another 2 shiny Duskull during the pandemic, kept one normal and evolved one into a Dusclops. Decided to nickname them after other shinies I’d lost via accidental knock-outs: Gible in Platinum and Eevee from White 2>Repeat getting all the ribbons on them>Get the Stormfront TCG Shiny Duskull just before Pokemon cards prices went absolutely nuts>Borrowed a friend’s Switch recently to play Legends Arceus>First shiny found outside the obligatory Ponyta was a Pachirisu >Accidentally knocked it out>Get to Cobalt Coastlands >The mandatory Dusclops I came across to get the rideable Basulegion was shiny>Pic was my reactionI’m honestly a bit annoyed Dusknoir isn’t in Champions at launch as, with its decent offensive movepool, it might have been able to find a niche.
>>59185551I’m not that great at this game but Chacha being your only form of speed control really bothers me
Teams for A-Raichu?
>>59185584Yeah, I feel the same. I DO have a Corviknight, Aerodactyl and Talonflame that I transferred from Legends ZA in my Champions Box. But I'm not sure on the spreads.
>>59185492You stall trick room with protects switches, good reads, status moves. If you want specific advice youd need to post your team
>>59185588Rain Teams. Thunder, Surf and Psychic give it so much coverage.
Man, mega ampharos is actually really close to being a good mega, but why is its movepool so crazy dogshit?
Has there been anything said about switch/mobile data linking?
Man if the UI is horrible and clunky on Switch I can't imagine how it will look and feel on mobile.
>>59185618It feels fine?
>>59185598You'll be able to play the same account on both. I don't know why so many people are freaking out about this.
>>59185592> A-Raichu> M-Dnite> PelipperI don't know what else to slap into those last three slots. I guess Arch, Milotic, and maybe areodactly?
>>59185492>Perish Song32+ MGengar has 200 spd and can't use scarf.It ties with Aero and Jolteon, loses to Dragapult, and also loses to a handful of Megas. The list gets longer if you scarf.Anything with Prankster + Taunt beats it. 2x priority moves beat it. Moves like U-Turn and Volt Switch ignore Shadow Tag/Arena Trap, and Ghost type Pokemon are immune to Shadow Tag so they can just switch.If they Song and you don't have any of the above, know Gengar will use Protect, will Sub if it outspeeds you, and will switch out on Turn 3. You're not getting attacked in that meantime. Use that time to get as many KOs as you can and set up a kill on whatever Gengar switches into on the last turn.If you're really upset, Perish Song is a sound move. You can scarf something with Throat Chop to cancel it (this might just kill the Gengar, though), or run Soundproof (Kommo-o, Abomasnow, Bastiodon).>TRTrick Room has -7 priority. Just identify the TR user and kill it before it can TR. If they're stopping you with Fake Out, run Ghosts for immunity, or Fake Out back. You deal with it the same way you deal with any other priority threat, except you literally can't get outsped.Using TR while TR is up turns it off, so you can run a TR user yourself.Taunt stops it, Imprison on your own TR dude can stop it (and also turn off Protect).If it's genuinely that upsetting, run bulky sweepers that can eat an attack and reverse. Or use more priority moves.The only difficulty is with Farigiraf, because Armor Tail fucks.Something like Kingambit can OHKO it with Kowtow, but you'll need BlackGlasses if they run Def EVs.You can also run your own Farig with Imprison and outspeed it.
>>59185650Basculegion over Aerodactyl because he's toxic as fuck right now.
Feels so gewd cleaning up with Kingambit
>>59185652>run these specific pokemon to beat these teamsso like >>59185413 said, it's a team check and nothing else
What's the most aggressive way I can bully rain teams? I fucking hate rain teams.
>>59185662Most of those solutions are generic. It's common for teams to use moves like Fake Out or Volt Switch, or to use priority moves even when they're not respecting Perish Song or TR.Both explanations and the other replies also feature strategies for when you're completely unprepared. Since you didn't read it the first time:>Perish Song is a flowchart where Gengar will Protect, Sub, and swap on the final turn. Get as many KOs in the meantime and set up for a kill on the swap.>Prioritize the TR setter before it uses TR because it has -7 priority. Afterwards, stall and do math to either reverse or survive until it runs out.I know you're shitposting so I'm writing all this out for the benefit of the lurkers. Just so you know, knowing what the meta looks like and having specific answers for common threats is how all competitive games in all genres work. This would still be true and necessary even if TR and Perish Song didn't exist.
>>59185663You gotta disrupt with your own weather
>>59185670>Doubles down>claims I'm shitposting because he knows he's been found outlol
>>59185670nigga neither of those strats work on players at 18k elo and above.Incin covers for their weaknesses like crazy
>>59185340SameFuck the meta
>>59185678Nta but it's kinda hard to think you arent just shitposting since your posts are so damn lazy.It's either that or you are just aggressively dumb
>>59185550Vikavolt and uh, Zygarde
HOW LONG UNTIL GAMFREAK SHUTS DOWN SMOGON WITH CEASE AND DESISTS? IT'S LITERALLY COMPETITION NOW.
Any teammate recommendations for Mega Beedrill what work in Singles Master? It's probably too meme and gets punished hard doesn't it? I was thinking some kind of sticky web support or tailwind but I don't think it does much to help when priority is a bigger issue than scarf users.
I love competitive milotic.Even a retarded spread of 5/32/29 with timid does wonders.It could probably be optimized further for 2hkos but just out speeding base 80 is enough to laugh at this meta.
>>59185705Gamefreak lets showdown exist because it serves as free advertising and as a containment zone for undesirables.Champions isn't competing with showdown, its advertising alongside it.The real product is the main games and the merch. If showdown stays in its corner and doesn't cause a fuss gamefreak wont mess with it, just how its been for over a decade
>>59185344tfw my team can just ignore chary most of the time unless they specifically have dragon pulse
>>59185503Thunderstruck Shiny Archaludon
Post your most retarded self own loss>Up in the match with meganium and t-tar into enemies last pokemon archaludon>Think game is in the bag just click my 2 super effective moves>Bridge protects>I smack my low hp meganium with earthquake>It lives with 3 hp>phew>Sandstorm damage kills it>fug>Arch lives the next round from earthquake in red hp>Aura spheres my t-tar>GG retard (is what I imagine he's thinking) as my t-tar crumplesMy pokemon deserved better
>>59185711> Lead mega bedril> U turn if you can't ohko> Hard switch into any bulky mon / counter if you suspect sash or scarf> ????> ProfitRotom Wash or Heat depending on team comp, H-Goodra, Either metal bird, Hippowdon, Milotic or Prima, etc.
>>59185503I have a max size shiny Hydrapple with a personality mark (the serene) I think that’s my rarest probably.I haven’t figured out a way to use it effectively though it’s one of those mons that needs assault vest
>>59185743I had fun using a hydrapple with leaf storm/draco meteor + eject pack with regenerator.Unfortunately it's very abuseable by intimidate once the enemy figures it out. So there's another cool mon being cockblocked by incin, add it to the list
>>59185730I misclicked and used Decorate on my opponent and not my own Pokemon. Simple but devastating.
Alright guys new wolfy video is out, get ready to see a new metahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5bi7H4c9k
Is there a way to tell if a floettee is genned? I traded a load of shiny leftovers to get extra for my mates, but one of them mentioned they might be genned.
>>59185787They are almost assuredly genned.Think about the amount of hours it takes to complete ZA and then do 15 runs of the infinite royale.I certainly wouldn't giveaway the one from my save file.
Have you seen any Archaludons run the Ground resist berry?
>>59185787Shinies are so piss easy to come by in SV/ZA that I'd assume that nobody would give a genuine Floette for anything from those games.
>>59185791Gotcha when you put it like that I suppose.>>59185798They were shiny sneaslers, I thought people would want them haha.
How do you make subseed Whimsicott work in singles? My sub just keeps getting oneshot
>>59185787If it’s>of any value at all>on the GTSIt’s either genned or duped. Basically the only stuff on GTS that isn’t genned is breedjects, shiny-chaining leftovers, and random filler candy collects from Pokemon Go. If a mon is available once per save file (whether you use the term “legendary” for that or not), straight assume nobody is trading it legitimately on the GTS.And this reinforces itself because if you DID want to trade something legit… you know you’d get dupes. So all the legit mons of value are held for trusted P2P trades.Just don’t think about it. Nobody cares if your E Floette is duped (it is), especially for use in Champions where there’s no evident internal legitimacy/PID structure to speak of.
>>59185705Showdown is better
>>59185131I'm very close to getting the gold badge for tyranitar. not my all-time favorite 'mon but sand is my favorite strat.
>>59185131where can you see the stat anywaydoes the counter increase just from its inclusion in the battle?
>>59185340>unplayableI'm sorry you can't reach the top ranks with your favorite shitmon. Welcome to competitive, nigga.
>>59185340>I should be able to do whatever I want and still climb the ladder as much as the people who actually take the game seriously
>>59185861Achievements menu keeps track of it.
>>59185811Gotcha well my mates will want to go to events so they’ll just have to finish ZA. If anyone wants a floette that’s probably genned let me know what mon you’ve deposited. I’ll trade it to you I have three first come first served.
>>59185340I got to masterball running runerigas + mega ampharos.Get good.
>>59185921I'll put a level 38 Gabite up looking for a mega Floette
lol. I looked at rankings and realized quickly why all the smogonfags are bitching about Champions.Singles;JPN JPN JPN JPN JPN KOR JPN JPN CN JPN JPN JPNDoublesJPN JPN JPN JPN KR Wolfe JPN KR CN ENG JPN JPN JPNsmogonfags and showdown shitters just getting farmed all day lol. Only person that seems to do any good is Wolfe.
>>59185938Level 39, not 38
Is Gyarados good in this?
>>59185921>well my mates will want to go to eventsAs an aside, it's the most frustrating thing in the world that they have automated legitimacy checking software that they use at events to validate the legitimacy of teams, but they don't bother to run that software on GTS or the online ladders, so you have absolutely no way of reliably using traded pokemon at any VGC event. >If anyone wants a floette that’s probably gennedI have a shiny rookidee up right now. But I'm not gonna lie, I got it in a wonder trade and it's probably also genned. I'm just at peace with it, I don't intend to use any of the mons I have in Home for anything but passing into Champions so idgaf if they're genned or duped.
>>59185946Yeah he's pretty good. He's mega is on the top end of good amongst the megas too
>>59185940Funny, the top 5 yesterday was mostly english players. The nips saw everyone dickriding Wolfe and said lolnope
>>59185940>slopper has opinion
>>59185943Done
>>59185955Got it, I appreciate it.
>>59185946I've been having decent success, but since Incin is so popular almost every team has something like Competitive/Defiant/Unburden so getting actual useful Intimidates off is awkward.
Have you taken the Snow pill yet?
>>59185937What's your gameplan here? There's nothing those do.
>>59185949That is wild that they don’t implement in game. What level?
>>59185965>That is wild that they don’t implement in game.They have a legitimacy checker it just isn't as good, so mons that appear legit enough to pass GTS can still get you banned at tournaments. Which means everyone who plays VGC just refuses to use traded mons at all, which IMO really defeats the point.Lv 7, Japanese origin.
>>59185949And ball and gender there are a few same level rookidees haha
I think I might be severely mentally retarded>both opp is low>In my mind "Click Matcha. Click Matcha. Just click Matcha, its that easy">I click Life dewLose not because of it, because that fumble made me so irritated i was not paying attention after that fumble
>>59185969Fair I’ve only traded for mons with irl friends or anons for irl tournaments (needed an iron hands in a pinch)I think I got you
>>59185940Why would smogonfags even complain about Champions, most of them just play on Showdown instead of Champions
Whats your battlin drink of choice
>>59185972>>59185969You got mine, you're a real one anon. Thank you!is it bad that the reason I wanted it was to trade for an Iron Boulder? Because I've been collecting E Floettes as currency to buy other rare mons and complete my dex as a phone only player. I already had an E Floette for myself.
>>59185992All good, do with it what you want completing gaps in the Pokédex is a good shout
>>59185986moomoo milk
>>59185969>>59185965As an aside, we have no idea what (if any) legitimacy checks Champions will even run, mostly because it's not clear if Champions even encodes the kind of information about Pokemon that would normally be relevant. Like the fact that if you have a Rotom Wash visit Champions, and take it back, convert it into a Rotom Heat, and send it back to visit Champions again, the game treats it like a different pokemon altogether makes it suspect what sorts of mon information Champions even encodes. Also recruits appear to be assigned marks and balls completely randomly.The other thing that's kind of odd is that the rental process has changed; it used to be part of submitting your team for VGC was locking it, getting the rental code, and submitting it to the event. That was what provided reference to your mons, and also allowed the tournament organizers to have copies of your team (e.g. to put on the side stream machines, since you wouldn't bring your own Switch). But that process has been changed, "replica" teams in Champions only contain appear to contain stat spreads and moves, you're required to train your own pokemon to match them. It's possible that all the original information about the mons is somehow still stored in a way that isn't user-facing, but IDK if that's likely.I guess we'll know more as the dataminers discover more, but it looks like we may be moving in a direction where a mon existing in Champions (without the red "INVALID" mark on it) makes it prima facie tournament legal because all of the other information that might declare a mon was illegitimately generated is just not being used anymore.
>>59185940this dogshit format lasts an entire month broif you hit champ youre essentially donepast that youre grinding everyday as a full time job to maintain top 300, which is a menial task reserved for NEET bugmen
>>59186071>if you hit champ youre essentially doneno it's just the start for you cause you have to maintain top 300. did you mean masterball?
>>59186084no, you hit champ for the title then put the game down like a normal human being
>>59186028Yeah it does seem like they are being lax with illegal Pokémon unless something is stored in that rental. The fact that it’s a replica as well seemingly very different from the SV rentals.Time will tell thankfully I won’t have to worry about that kind of stuff I’ve got a full Pokédex.
showderp, but in champions
>>59186110>champ just fights pity bots 90% of the time
>>59186104I mean the entire champions gimmick is basically them throwing up their hands and saying>okay we’re gonna stop pretending like a pokemon’s stats are unique personal attributes, you fuckers are all gonna minmax anyway, this is now a game about allocating available stat pointsMost of the legitimacy checks VGC was doing were catching mons that were perfectly tournament legal on stupid shit. Which it’s like, yes, you caught someone using PkHex to create a mon instead of catching it. But he COULD have caught it so why does anyone care whether or not he actually did?Honestly I never understood it, except as a way of saying “making a team is supposed to be arduous and annoying, by design” and Champions is lifting that design ethos.
>>59185588My immediate first thought is setting terrain with Focus Sash, then Rising Voltage with Archaludon as its partnerHelping Hand if you think Raichu is gonna go down just so Don can get off an extra special 'fuck you' as Raichu dies
>>59186143I think there is that aspect of it that they wanted you to train the pokemon. And it be like a journey but they have made it way more simple and accessible in SV I remember trying to breed and train my first mon in gen 4 :’) two weeks only to get it all wrong when I was done training my sheer force nidoking haha.
I missed my winning rock slide
I havent used vp in years, why do champions players act like showdown raped their parents.
>>59186202Pesent syndrome. They got raped in a 6v6 battle maybe 9 years ago and cant get over it, theres no other explanation for the behavior. It has a fan made format that doesn’t effect the main games at all,literally its own little bubble and provides a way for you to test teams without wasting VP
>>59186187I missed double rock slide today, and the opponent double crit their EQ against me.Its not a good day>>59186202dunno, i use both.
>>59186202Lot of players are casuals and the anger towards smogon never really left in that part of the community.
I haven't seen a single terrain being used since launch, and I'm in masterball.Are they really just that garbage if they aren't attached to a free switch in ability, eg rillaboom?I thought i'd at least have run into an expanding force team by now.
>>59185940Smogonfags are annoying as fuck in regards to champions. Tired to get my friend into it but he's bitching all the time.>Where's the items!>(x) strategy isn't possible! (has never been possible in VGC)>They nerfed statuses?! That's stupid>where's 6v6These people don't place Pokémon. Hell they'd burst a blood vessel trying to play a stadium game. They're playing a fucking tcg via table top simulator with no ban list or limits on the game.Now when they're faced with rules, regulations and a defined system of rules; they can't adapt. They need their crutches and playground tier ruleset.They'll always blame champions for lacking this or that. Ignoring the fact that for the past 4 years they haven't touched S/V VGC.Fucking exhausting how much of a poser those losers are.
>>59186202uhh lol it's showdown players throwing a melty over champions not catering to them. champion players just play because it's the defacto vgc sim going forward.
>>59185961Yeah buddy
>>59186246>Nevermelt Ice instead of Bright Powder for evasionmaxxing
>>59186242>>59186243Yeah I will not lie I have not seen vgc players complain about champions at all past launch day bug grievances that got fixed. And I've not seen anyone else compare this game to showdown aside from showdown players. They are possibly a way more vocal minority than they think they are.
>>59186243It's funny to see them seethe at champions because they can't do their specific broken combos they've been using for over a decade.News flash, you people play like a bunch of dick heads and no one wants to sit through your stupid ass gimmick bullshit.I had a showdown player legitimately tell me they should remove protect from doubles.These people aren't able to conceive a strategy or adapt to a changing environment. They just run their little autowin.exe combo and that's it.Let them stay in showdown and bitch and moan. Dumbasses don't even realize that even if champions adds everything to it at some point. There's always going to be regulations.
>>59186253It's more than that. They're a minority of a minority. A lot of showdown players are normal, either have played it or haven't, and moved on. The people no one likes are the turbo spergs who think pokemon should solely cater to them but refuse to ever actual engage with the actual franchise. Nothing will get them to switch off showdown, so they never get thrown crumbs, which makes them even angrier and louder.
>>59186239All the terrain setters are ded.Manual terrain is extremely suboptimal.
you literally get banned for popping off, VGC players cant speak up at all on champions. Hell a pokemon unite commentator got booted off for calling unite awful because of a patch. TPC isnt ready for a real esports scene at all something hilarious is gonna happen if new players start doing well
>>59186239Terrain will return in the Dynamax Meta, fear not.
>>59186273this very much relates to champions and vgc being the defacto format because... muh feelings?don't let emotions stop you from nooooticing that vgc tournaments are breaking record playercounts every year and that nintendo is struggling with the massive surge in player interest. I will say that I think wolfey and other youtubers played a big part in popularizing vgc.
>>59186263Its just annoying because clearly they don't understand what Pokémon as a video game offers.Fucking 6v6 retards probably don't even know that Pokémon stadium didn't have a 6v6. Or how being in a 6v6 with some stall fag is a terrible experience for first time players.But thats how they see themselves, as the ones doing the action. Main character syndrome. Sleep, Para and Burn got nerfed? But what am I supposed to do?These things missing from champions is for MY team and strategy.Not thinking about the game holistically. Of course shit was nerfed and changed because a new player needs the ability to play the fucking game.These people would be happy to shit on people using their dumb fuck gimmicks, waste your time with stupid shit and then with a smug look on their face saying GG.
I have a thriving pokemon league challenge locals. I cannot say the same for smogon. I think TPC knows exactly what they're doing.
I'm already bored of this meta
>>591862902020 was a pretty sizeable change in they types of content people were consuming on YT. The VGC channels have had a pronounced effect in Masters entries. EUIC went from like 800 in 23, to 1000 in 24, 1250 in 25, and 1450 in 26.I do wish we'd see similar growth in the juniors and seniors divisions, but it sorr of demonstrates the problem with costs associated with participating in VGC. It's unreasonably costly and there's probably little incentive in terms of prizes for the lower divisions.
>>59186298Tournaments, even back in Gen 1 weren't 6v6 either. It has never been a real format.>>59186319Lack of items and alternative support mons really hurts. I want Hitmontop and AV back now pls.
>random schizoing about smogon boogeymen out of nowheregenuinely rent free
>>59186290Not the point im trying to make. The esports size for vgc was always really moderate, its solid but not huge. If it does become huge you’re gonna get lots of players that aren’t familiar with the PG ass culture pokemon wants to force on players. Getting banned for popping off and shit, hell unite players are ex moba players. Theres been so many instances of them getting penalized for jumping out of their chairs. Some talented new player is gonna btfo old players, yell fuck yeah! Then get banned lmao im calling it right now.
>>59186298I personally really enjoy the bring 6 pick 3 singles.Matches are fast enough that you can really just pick up and play a quick match for 5 mins I think it will really shine when mobile comes out which was probably the target market in the first place.
>>59186319I sure hope the next meta has double the mons and more items
>>59186337I dont see the appeal, if it was pick 4 id might be more into it.
>>59186298>Fucking 6v6 retards probably don't even know that Pokémon stadium didn't have a 6v6Stadium had 6v6 available through Free Battle, so did Stadium 2, Colo, XD and PBR. Champions doesn't let you do custom battles at all even in private battles, only Reg M-A, which is what Showdown players are complaining about. Personally, I'm more bothered about their being no multi-battles than 6v6. I don't think Champions is unsalvageable like some fags are making it out to be, but I don't see how the game would be worse off with custom rulesets. It's not like you get VP from doing them so you'll have to engage with Ranked/Casual mode eventually anyways.
>>59185131Just got my bellibolt badge last night :)
>>59186334>player recently hot banned for fist pumping after winning a tournament >the default victory celebration in champions is fist pumpingMakes you think.
I'm pretty much doing all the usual breeding and preparation except IV breeding now on the base game before transferring from HOME so the cost for most Pokemon have been reduced to 5VP for the 1 extra EV adjustment. Seems like running out of VP's not going to be an issue at this rate
>>59186432I only play Champions and I have no VP issues. Even bought clothes. The only issue is if you want to completely pivot off your current team and get unlucky with the gacha.
>switch 2 za on sale at Costco for 30 bucksDamn i don't have a switch 2 but I might still get za at that price
>>59186432>>59186438I'm just catching wild pokemon using my absolutely massive stockpile of money and items to hyper train them and change their abilities/natures then sending them over to become a legend
UOOOH FEELS SO GOOD TAKING BACK THE GAME FROM A GAY STALL TEAM WITH MA BOY KINGANGSTA
>>59186239Terrain without a setting ability sucks. It’s largely the same story as with weather, except very occasionally you will see prankster move weather setters but Whimsi and Grimm can’t learn psychic terrain.
>>59186202People who post "Fanfic Meta" getting beside themselves over Champions just being BSS and VGC with no 6v6 option or any OU rulings like sleep cause and acting like Showdown players are having meltdowns over it.
>pick up a team from here that seems fun and has my fave>it gets facerolled How do I stop being a shitter? Play a thousand games?
>>59186355It being so limited in making custom rules rubs me the wrong way, this series is always so damn restricting now
>>59186459Playing a thousand games can't hurt but you'd probably learn more from that with a solid team, what are you playing?
>>59186459yeah, just cause you played pokemon when you were 3 doesn’t mean its easy, the game is surprisingly complex, just pay attention to where you lost momentum in games and ways to avoid that in the future :)
>>59186459The amount of foundational knowledge required to make a competent team that works is staggering, let alone to pilot it to success.Some teams have glaring holes in them that are difficult to plug, but you may not even realize the problem or misdiagnose it if you lack a lot of information.VGC feels like gambling only if you have no idea what your opponents' mons are likely to do.
>>59186468This was posted a few threads back. I just picked popular stat spreads and tried it out.>>59186475It’s worse for me because I haven’t played in a while and don’t really know some of the sets of newer mons.
>>59186488>armarouge without psychic terrain>mega fer>in a snow teamThe team is really mid. You have to know what you're doing and outplay consistently to get wins on it.
>>59186488surely aurora veil has to be good in doubles no?
>>59185712>open with milotic>incineroar procs the competitive>protect the fake out>incineroar parting shots, for some reason>procs the competitive TWICE more>switches incineroar back in, a few turns laterdamn nigga thanks for the free boosts. this is in master ball btw
>>59186503he doesn't even have it>>59186488you have like 3 and a half support pokemon(rotom isn't a super great attacker and there's better pokemon to do his job)snow teams aren't good right now
Have any of you a participated in an official vgc tourney and how far did you place?
>>59186488This team is trying to do too many things at once, it needs a reset to be honest. If you're trying to build around Feraligatr + snow, I would change Ninetales to Sash wiith Aurora Veil, change Armarouge to an Incin, and drop Whims/Milo for fillers that support Fera better.
>>59186459>How do I stop being a shitter?Slow down. I guarantee you're not considering your opponent's potential plays enough.
>>59185940I don't understand the hatred some of you guys have for showdown. It's just pokemon
I hope they give us actually good trainer outfit options soon
>>59186490>>59186516>>59186522I was considering just using meta rain and throwing Feraligatr in there, but what would a good team reset be if I’m determined to use the croc?
>>59186534Pic unrelated
I dont think theres anything wrong with people expecting this game to be a battle sim similar to the classic stadium games. I give champions a pass because the monetization isnt malicious, it doesn’t allow whaling period which is shocking coming from a japanese company. At worst you can waste money on the battle pass.
>>59186542This is the cleanest fit in all the games
>>59186549I just think unless you went in blind you should know what to expect from champions. Every single ad prior to release was a "please play vgc" promotion.
>>59185270You don't OHKO it. You 2 or 3HKO, but you need to annoy it first. Taunt, Fake Out, etc.
>>59186561If its meant to be a forever game the it should be more ambitious.
>>59185341Sorry, they need to make more Cafe content.
>>59186570Yeah in the future. Live service games are like that. Genshin was an empty turd on release too.
Been having a lot of fun with this team, really want to replace Tyranitar with Aerodactyl, though.
>>59186569>fake out the giraffe
>>59185503My Shiny Torkoal in Sapphire probably, from like 2004 or 05. I have a Trick Room Indeedee from when it had that move only in Tera Raids (not part of its moveset normally). That's about it I think
>>59186570>If its meant to be a forever gameIt's meant to be a companion app.
>>59186607ahem
>>59185503I have my first ever Pokemon from Sapphire in my Pokemon Bank :)
I can't decide on my last two for my squad. Singles btw
>>59186660Sneasler and incineroar
archaludon is genuinely the most retarded design this worthless subhuman company has ever come up with
>>59186675Just burn it and you win.
>>59186516Hard snow teams aren't good but slapping Froslass onto a balance team is, however, pretty good. And Rotom is Rotom. Using Frost Rotom and Froslass to make a soft snow team is pretty decent. Good enough to climb ultra, probably wouldn't use it to push champion but definitely playable. I've been using that strategy to climb ultra, currently sitting at ultra 1. But I've been using Glaceon instead of Rotom, alongside 4 other metaslop mons.
how do I beedrill?
>>59186689Bring slow pivots with good defensive typings, maybe intimidate, weather setters, good defensive abilities like Unaware, that sort of thing. Slow U-Turn lets you safely switch back to Beedrill, fast U-Turn lets you speculatively switch to another pokemon with an advantageous defensive typing / ability after you see a bit of what your opponent is doing.
>>59186689always yolo for the fell stinger
I do not “Trick Room” I do not “Icy Wind” I do not “Encore” I do not “Parting shot”I Tailwind, and if I can’t win in 5 turns I GO NEXT
>>59185961my sinnohan wives
>>59186681Aren’t most running SpA?
>>59186710You're not running Parting Shot Incin?
>>59186710I think it was a "burning bridges" joke.
Playing vgc made me realize how laughably broken some shit is. You see rom hacks get roasted for fanfic design then gamefreak is like here is sinistea and basculegion.
>>59186741Just punch the fish.
>>59186741Can you just throw normal types at Basc
How come I barely see Dragapult?
>>59186751True, wave crash is still nuts tho. Its kinda annoying because normal type seems really good on paper, but in practice they all have crap stats. Meanwhile ghost types just seem completely broken, easily a top 2 type
>>59186767its weak as shit without band and gets walled by kingambit
everyone online is unironically too bad at the game for me to climb
>>59186792Haha yeah same im hard stuck in great ball elo hell because everyone is doing unpredictable dumb shit because they're bad while I deserve champion rank
>>59186805h-haha yeah for sure I swear I’m not a shitter
>>59186805this but unironically
>>59186792Sounds like you're in the pokemon equivalent of "I read online how to be good at fighting games but somehow people who just flail wildly and mash their buttons are still kicking my ass".
>>59186832post rank or dont speak to me
Kelsh is using the Tinker
>>59184859close combat it with sneasqueen and then finish it with the other mon
>>59186858Oh, where's this being streamed
I click rock slide. And if that doesn't work I click rock slide until it does work.
>>59185270One of the 2 games I've lost with farigarif so far was because they double up'd on it with 2 very strong attackers, but I've also insta won some games by protecting it on turn 1 while the other slot starts KOing there Pokemon for free. Taunt is the only reliable answer
>>59186876https://www.twitch.tv/victoryroadtv
Why is no one playing the ttar excadrill combo? The mole seems amazing into this meta.
>>59186888It's being played on stream right this second
>>59184791>made it to Master Ball in doubles using only mons from the gacha>mfw I pulled Sneedler and shiny Gardevoir immediately after reaching MBI have a feeling the shiny Gardevoir has high odds since I’ve battled multiple people with it. I’m trying to reach MB in singles now. I’m mostly using Focus Scarf Meowscarada as my lead that can pivot to Ceruledge or Moxie Mega Gyarados. I’ve also been using Ditto on enemy Megas and setup sweepers.
>>59186877and then I bring oranguru to instruct rock slide
>>59186891Mega Garde is in both ZA and Arceus everyone has a shiny one
>>59186890Oh ok cool, yeah i dont get it. Sure its not great into rotom wash but just bring something for it.
>physical attacker Mega Gengarman Great Ball is hilarious
>>59186805>>59186792https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfEVcZ3anG0
>>59184791I tried using Mega Aggron, but even with max Special Defense, he just died too easily to any strong spammable neutral Special moves like Dark Pulse or Scald. It felt like a waste of my mega slot past Great Ball. I switched to Skarmory as my designated Iron Defense+Mating Press wall since it gets Whirlwind and recovery instead of just sitting there.
Man bascu is just broken no? This feels like the best Pokemon in the game
>>59186943mogged by a lizard
>>59184791Garchomp is actually insane, nothing can reliably pick up a free kill on it in the current format. I'm trying not to spend 2 whole slots or use a mega on my team just for a way to reliably take it down.
>>59186956Actually, let me clarify - there are a few non-Mega Pokemon who can pick up a free kill on it, but they're few and far between and I don't have them.
>>59186956rotom+wisp is all you need to cripple it
Champions is off to a good start, how will casuals react to unrestricted formats where nepo babies shit up the place? Vgc genuinely becomes a pile of shit in those formats. They could improve it if they consider getting older legendaries back into relevance.
Is Sandaconda with Sand spit worth running to win weather wars or is it overkill with Ttar being able to set sand on entry and after mega evolving?
>>59186956Icineroar + burn and you can forget it exists.
>>59186964Well they have done some buffs to weak Pokemon with potential and nerfs to strong Pokemon at the start, I wouldn't be surprised if they did more. It seems they tried to be fairly minimal with their changes, maybe we'll see more incrementally (hoping Incineroar gets nerfed again).
>>59186967Overkill the real shit is the hail mary Ttar+minimize sand veil Sandaconda
>>59186956I dunno man, I spam Blizzards with a Icecream cone. Seems to go down just fine.
>>59186978It feels like theres a fag at the company who insists that new legendaries must be game breaking or else. It really sucks, legendary formats suck because of that. We have 30 years worth of box art legendaries and so few are actually viable. Like its so bad for the game.
I finally made it to Masterball rank in doubles after 56 wins (I know I'm bad)poke -> great: standard mega zard Y sun teamgreat -> ultra: trick room mega camerupt (a lot of people don't seem to know how to deal with trick room from great to ultra 2)ultra -> master: cookie cutter aero chomp with mega frossNow I can just have fun without worrying about dropping back to ultra
>>59186988Don't forget the bright powder
>tfw Quick Claw VivillonI mostly did it out of lack of items, but the bugger keeps sleeping first kek
>>59186956Garchie is setup bait for Corviknight/Skarmory.
>>59185705Some companies understand that free advertising is free advertising.
>>59187034Mega Aggron too.Maybe part of the issue is I ran Mega Aggron for so long I didn't have to worry about Garchomp.At low tiers they would just helplessly do nothing into my Mega Aggron with Garchomp while I got up to +6 defense with Tailwind.
>Phantom Force dodges Perish SongInteresting, do moves like Fly, Dig, and Dive work that way too?
>>59187045I assume so
>>59186538I was planning on using a mixed trickwind team withMega gatrTyranitarMega golurkOranguruIncineroarSinischtaYou will have to outplay electro shock teams though, preferably by baiting it and then switching to sand. The idea is to run gravity in oranguru and it supports both gatr and golurk with mega kick and hitting birds respectively. Gatr really doesn’t need rain when 90% of the time it wants to run mega kick or double edge and aqua jet for priorityIf you want a team more focused in gatr then I would use him as part of the fantasy core in a pelipper/archaludon team and a fairy with redirection like clefable. I’d probably give archaludon dragon fang and draco meteor with timid to outspeed and kill other archaludons.
almost out of Great Ball, can't wait for Ultra Ball to show me how much of a noob I am
kill yourself if you use umbreon in BSS
>>59187210>fairy with redirection like clefableFor opposing archaludon/dragonite attacks right?
>>59186943It's really good because it can do tons of damage, pivot, priority, and doesn't care about fake out. Basc is a massive threat and only Gambit deals with it competently. Sneasler + Basc is almost always a safe lead it's obnoxious.
>>59186888I see it all the time because I'm still working to make Zard Y work in MB rank 4.Legit going to just build a dual mega team so I can leave Y in its bad matchups.
>>59187335>Basc is a massive threat and only Gambit deals with it competentlyDon't forget that Aqua Jet nullifies Sucker Punch so even Kingambit can be an unclean way of handling Basc.
>>59187363gambit can easily live wave crash and just click kowtow
>>59186943Overrated and misses some alot of ohko’s imho. But its at the very least one of the best in the current meta.
>>59187377Needing a full HP Pokemon plus a clean read just to stand a chance is not a good sign of balance.
>>59187385Just lead with Kingambit if you see Basc on their team, since 90% of the time they will try to lead with it and pivot with Flip Turn. Maybe in Master Ball it’s different, but Basc was always easy Sucker Punch bait in Ultra doubles.
ScRotom-W does a good job against Basc. That thing doesn't like T-Bolt
Why will it not let me trade with this person, I literally wasted my time getting a kingambit for this shit to say, you don't have a pokemon your partner wants.
Any legit mega scizor teams i can copy that are easy to pilot? He seems like a diet mega metagross which isn’t a bad thing. Im kinda disgusted that most of the new megas suck aside from the flower and a few others.
Why doesn't trick room run M-Heracross?2nd highest attack stat ever and access to perfect coverage.
>>59187451Hmm, that screen doesn't look Latin American Spanish to me
>>59187451He wants a Spanish-speaking Kingambit.
>>59187461he looks dumb
>>59187461Base 75 isnt slow enough for trickroom. You are better off using tail wind
>>59187451he want's kingambit to make tacos
>>59187461Base 75 is actually a pretty bad stat for a TR team, and he has no priority to speak of on a pretty poor defensive typing. You could definitely make him work, but you can just as easily say that about most mons.
>>59187463ain't that impossible since only ZA supports ES-LA atm?
>>59187482Why do you think the offer is still up?
>>59187491
>>59187462>>59187463>>59187476Guess I am retarded, thank you. It actually turned out to not be a loss, I don't have legends Z-A, but I got a shiny delphox from the gatcha game in champions. I was able to trade that kingambit for a Z-A Delphox, so I can get Delphoxite now :)
>>59186520Played in a 360 person tourney a few years back in SV. Placed 60th. 1 win shy of day 2. Highest online finish was 1100 in one regulation at the start of SV. Pre paradox
Since I have no idea how to double battle, which ingame champion team lends itself to double battles the best while I fuck around in the lower ranks?
>>59187555Cynthia. Possibly Diantha.
>>59186943Helping Hand + Sucker Punch removes it, or at the very least any strong super effective physical attack does
>>59186956As others have said, use BurnMy Black Belt Body Press + Wisp Torkoal handles the spread Earthquakes and Rock Slides of Tyranitar, Garchomp, and Excadrill enough to get off at least 1 or 2 Wisps or a Body Press to remove Tyranitar
>>59187591I get it but still, last respects is just such bad design imo. I don’t like hurrrdurr nuke pokemon.
>>59186929You switch him out against strong special attackers or target them down first so aggron becomes unkillable
>>59187587>CynthiaShe is associated with a bunch of mons, even if a good chunk aren't in yet
>>59186956I've literally never had an issue with garchomp, didn't even come up with a strategy to beat it, it's just not a problem. Maybe my team is good against it idk.
>>59187622Yeah, I'll just rework some of Cynthia's mons. Diantha is meh (obviously can't bring Keldeo or Diancie).
>>59187616It being so brain dead is what makes it weak if youre prepared for itIf you bring Tailwind and or Sun, or a STAB Sucker, you can catch it before it takes offBurns also cripple it if you wanna run Prankster Sableye with Will-O-Wisp and or Quash
>crit chance lowered>no specs or bandcosmic power clef 6-0s every team
>>59187626As I've said, this happened to me earlier on the ladder with Mega Aggron. It couldn't touch me.
>>59187555Kieran?
So why do they let incineroar be the way it is? Theres like barely any similar pokemon that just get all the moves they need.
>>59186891I have a shit ton of Shiny Alpha Ralts from my first week of bench resetting spam in ZA. Like I kid you not. It's piss easy in ZA before the Hyperspaces.
>>59187669Someone at Gamefreak really likes it.
>>59187669Same reason Hawlucha is good.Wrestling is PEAK.
>>59187669They had to make him good as an apology for designing him as a hideous malformed freak
>>59187669Doesn't have knock off and u-turn anymore at least
>>59187703Im new to vgc and im enjoying, but its alarming that a game with hundreds of pokemon doesn’t actually have that many options that you’d think it would. Its similar to card games but atleast those have bans, this game doesn’t. The unrestricted formats don’t look great, im not looking forward to fighting off the gen 8 and 9 legendaries again.
>>59187451I just cloned a bunch of Japanese Floettes since too many Nips are paranoid the ENG Floettes they get are hacked.
>>59186767Only good Dragapults I've seen have been Scarfed and even then, they are forced to choose between taking out a Dragon or a Fairy.
>>59187669He was Game Freak's favorite child out of the Gen 7 Starters.
>>59187703>>59187710>>59187713>>59187719>>59187744Would it not be good for the game if there was more variety in defensive pivot pokemon. People always go nyoooo incin got neeeerrrfed but it will never matter if it keeps fake out and parting shot.
> Incin this> Incin thatJust kill him
>>59187751I hate Sneasler more than Incineroar, but only because Sneasler is hideous to look at. Both are just worse Landorus.
>>59187759Incin is actually perfectly balanced, issue is that he still has 0 competitors lol.
>protect>Encore>DisableDeciding what I do isn't enough. I want to decide what my opponent does too
>>59187775Give Gyarados Parting Shot.
>>59187780Fought this earlier. Tempted to bring out my old one from the box since it looks fun to do
>>59187789Sableye can do this if you don’t wanna commit a mega to it
>>59187784That sounds so toxic lol
>>59184994I didn't at first, but now that I'm trying to push my rating, yes.
>>59187780>Playing Whimsicott vs Rime>I Tailwind, they Trick Room>Encore>Taunt>They forfeit
>>59187796Banette can also do direct damage with poltergeist but the mega slot is valuable
>>59187759Haven't gotten a Sneasler yet and I refuse to pay $80 for an old broken glitchy mess so I can catch him
>>59187824If you have SV just use a tradebot to get one.
>>59187720More items will fix that. There are Pokemon right now that miss out on 2HKOs that, with a Life Orb could get 2HKOs. Many of the Pokemon right now being used would still get 2HKOs even with a LO so it's a bigger buff to things not being used. Same with defensive items like the Safety Goggles or AV. There are plenty of Pokemon that you wouldn't dare bring to the sun matchup right now because they'll either be OHKO'd or slept. If they can survive one attack or be immune to sleep, they can then OHKO Zard.The biggest limiter right now really is the lack of good items.
>>59187829I haven't bought any Pokemon games since Sun and Moon and I refuse to start until they start acting like the biggest franchise of all time and not incompetent indie devs
>>59187817Foul play does pretty decent damage to most things, and his prankster immunity is something I wish Banette also had.
>>59186956I just put ice fang on my Gyarados, usually checks him well enough
>>59187759>Dual Wingbeats younothin personnel
>>59187452I've been having success with mine on my rain team
>>59185466Same. When it works it's so goddamn satisfying
>>59187887Unrelated, but are people running some bulk on aerodactyl? I was confused why a +5 Stored power Esphatra couldn't ohko it after it mega evolved. It lived on 6% randomly
>>59187888Post it? Idk where to find successful proven teams for champions. Limitless feels useless because it doesn’t provide ev spreads and natures
>>59185466If I want to win by skillfully outplaying someone on even ground I play chess. Pokemon is for beating someone while at a disadvantage with trashmons, gimmicks and stupid meme sets.
>>59187909Flareon being forever bad makes me so sad. It seens like despite being shilled to death the eevees are so limited. I have a team with a jolteon and its average at best. The speed is decent and it has electroweb
>>59187914> Sylveon> Umbreon> EspeonIn order of usefulness, take it or leave it
>>59187920What does umbreon do? It has great stats but the ability is pretty useless. It seems like it just sits there and does nothing.
>>59187921Yeah, it just stalls. Better in singles than in doubles. Yawn or Toxic / Protect / Wish / Foul Play has been its bread and butter for ages.
>>59187927weird, why not just give a do nothing pokemon like this parting shot?
>>59187932> Wish> Parting ShotGod no
>>59187898Honestly I keep swapping out the members often, but it's a double mega team between scizor and dragonite. M-Dragonite252 HP/252 SPA ModestInner FocusFocus BlastProtectThunderHurricanePelipper @ sash252 SpA/252 SpE TimidHurricaneWeather Ball Wide Guard TailwindM-Scizor252 Attack 252 HP AdamantAssuranceBullet PunchProtectSwords DanceBasculegion252 Atk/252 Spe AdamantSwift SwimLast RespectsProtectWave CrashAqua JetSinistcha Bold252 Hpuhhh not sure on def and spd but it says 9 in special defense and 25 in defense because they changed how evs are presented, or somethingMatcha GotchaLife DewRage PowderStrength SapIncin...just using what the game presents, 32 hp/20 def/13 special defTaunt, Parting Shot, Flare Blitz, Fake outAlso boldI'm in master 2 right now. If they're on a sun team I bring dragonite, if they're on sand or have mega floette/froslass I bring scizor. Sand teams can't do a thing against scizor typically. I keep bouncing between several different pokemon in the sininstcha slot. Could use another fighting type move for kingambit. Maybe replacing taunt on incineroar, I've never needed it, even against trick room, though it can come in handy against stuff like tandemaus and other sinistcha, so shrug. Barely use flare blitz either. Assurance on scizor was close combat before but I felt like scizor needed a dark move for both h-zoroark and opposing basculegion. These spreads aren't super ideal, either, I'd probably invest more bulk into the bass since with swift swim it should outspeed most things anyways. Outside sneasler. I haven't really had issue with sneasler either, though. Just lead dragonite, don't mega evolve, swap in pelipper in the other slot and click hurricane on the little weirdo.
When are they letting her in
>>59187892Was there a sandstorm on the field?
I hate this shit sometimes
>>59187957Nope, but it seems that the +20 in SpDef after mega evolving makes it a range even with no bulk investment
>>59187950Replacing scizor with her the second it happens honestly. I think she was busy touring with miku.Anyways >>59187947Sometimes I use archaludon because I have one with a neat title and all my teams have themed titles (personality marks). Trying to catch a rain/thunder marked shiny dragonite right now, but rain hunts are the worst. Took like three months to get a shiny master sinistcha with just the cloud watcher title. They fucking blend into the background.Anyways, I don't think the team is super easy to pilot and relies on reads and knowing what you're opponent wants to do, which isn't suuuuper hard right now with how few pokemon there are, but it's just how I play. Hence dragonite having nothing but low accuracy moves. High Risk, High Reward, punishes opponents for being lazy and just mindlessly clicking buttons. Scizor feels especially tricky, even the mega is too weak until you get at least one swords dance up. With both megas and the teacup I just turn the game into a game of tower defense where you're constantly swapping in incin and the teacup to restore health and lead your opponent into protecting on fake out turns to target the other slot, etc. Really depends on leading well too, but again, people are predictable. Oh wow sneasler and aero on the same team, wonder what they're gonna lead with oh nooooooo. Also don't bring dragonite against floette teams, they're bringing the edgy little flower and dragonite only barely 4hkos and I use basculegion more as a glass cannon in the start over an end-game cleanup. Or just lead it with dragonite against fake-out/tailwind leads. Also bass hits like a truck even with the sun up, but a lot of mega charizard players, even in master, are really stupid and will solar beam it, so if you're up against a sun team and brought the fish (probably always should) just protect turn one on the mega evolve and swap in pelipper after for a free knockout on their cringe ass nay nay baby mega.
>Charizard's speed is untouched between base and Megas100 is honestly lower than I expected
>>59187988anyways that's just my experience with this team. Sinistcha is super useful but you're stacking a lot of fire and dark weaknesses, but I also pretty much never have issues against kingambit, and scizor even without close combat can just boost up and punch it in the mouth. The team really punishes opponents protecting with swords dance and I wish they gave dragonite nasty plot or calm mind to further capitalize on this. I love m-dragonite but it has so little point to existing once garchomp-z hits the scene since it's a better dragon special attacker in every way. Some faggot at gamefreak just loves gen4 slop even though sinnoh was aids so the only two good pokemon from that generation get two megas for whatever fucking reason. Also sometimes I'll bring dragonite and scizor since you're pretty much always bringing pelipper no matter what and they cover each other's weaknesses pretty well, even if dragonite doesn't mega evolve. Realistically you could replace dragonite with something else, too. I mean, yeah, sneasler probably helps more if anything, but holy shit fuck off sinnoh. Only took them like twenty years to make a crossgen sinnoh evolution that's actually good. Cunts.
Oh my God man, I just go on a three win streak over and over then get absolutely SHIT on and the cycle repeats. Fucking hard stuck greatball 1
