It's funny seeing people look back on Gen 4 as being the peak of the series and part of the "classic" era.I still remember when it was new and people were calling it a departure for the worse.
Yeah, we called them hoennniggers 'round my parts.
>>59188050This. Especially heartgold soulsilver. People act like it’s the peak of Pokemon because they copied and pasted some stuff in from other games like the exact same battle frontier as platinum, empty routes from Kanto, and the dogshit level curve and pokemon distribution of gsc.
>>59188050We didn't know how bad it was going to get
>>59188050No Gen 4 was actually when lots of people who grew up with the GB games started returning to the series. And most people considered it better than Gen 3, which was considered the "Black sheep" of the series at the time.
>>59188050I was there when it happened, anon. I was one of the people bitching on Serebii forums about how "nuPokemon" (Gen 4) are ugly and overdesigned. Little did I know how much worse it could get...I still stand by everything I said.
>>59188050The classic era has 3 end points>johto>sinnoh>unovaJohto if you are a purist, as gen 3 obviously departed in certain directions and revamped others across the boardsinnoh since it was the last region set in Japan and so playing to the strengths of the series before post gen 5 madness set inUnova, because it was the first region outside of fantasy japan and the games after it are obviously post apocalyptic from the viewpoint of the Pokémon company with the drastically lowered level of care they put into anything before shipping it
>>59188050ok boomer, change your depends you fat fuck
>>59188106>No Gen 4 was actually when lots of people who grew up with the GB games started returning to the series.That was gen 6.
>>59188050I'm amazed this image was never updated to current gen
>>59188121I consider Gen 3 the end point for the classic era because it's the last one designed without compfaggotry in mind. Gen 3 mons are designed with the same shitty stat distribution and movepool philosophy of Gen 1 and 2 so there is no significant powercreep from Gen 2 to Gen 3, whereas Gen 4 is when they started to optimize mons and the powercreep of new mons can be felt for the first time.
>>59188175uh oh campaignshitter melty
>""""era""""buzzword of the century
>>59188163Because it's retarded genwunner malding that no one agrees with.
>>59188050if charizard was released in gen 4 it wouldn't look like a morbidly obese midget if garchomp was released in gen 1 it woudn't look sleek and tall
>>59188163Amazing how this meme ever took off considering no one on earth thinks 2's starters are cooler than 3's or 4's.
>>59188228I do.
>>59188096HGSS combines the best parts of gen 2 and gen 4 while hiding the garbage gen 3 and 4 eyesore mons away so they dont ruin the game
>>59188106No one came back to Pokemon during Gen 4. It was the explosive popularity of the DS among zoomers that drew its audience. >>59188133 was right; XY’s and especially GO’s nostalgia pandering are what brought oldfags back to Pokemon.
>>59188243nta but this is true for me. i was a gen 4 zoomer and then XY's nostalgia pandering is what brought me back to pokemon (after couple years)
>>59188234Kek this guy wants Meganium over Sceptile and Torterra.
>>59188050Bullshit if garchomp came out in gen 1 it would look fat as fuck
>>59188251I like sceptile and torterra over meganium but I like feraligatr over swampert and empoleon and typhlosion over blaziken and infernigga so gen 2 wins.
>>59188240Nah HGSS suck ass, Johto's dex is abysmal GARBAGE and the game is littered with level 5 Ratattas from beginning the end. It's a shame they didn't include more Hoenn mons or crossgens during the campaign or raise the wild life levels in KANTOOO so those dogshit games would have some replay value kek
>>59188254Faggatr is one of the ugliest things this series spawned, holy fucking shit taste
>>59188256he wasn't always faggatr. gsc feraligatr was violent and ferocious. thing just looks fucking evil and mean. but pedo freak had to slowly morph it into a crash bandicoot character because his menacing appearance caused kids to cry shit and piss themselves
>>59188264forgot pic
>>59188175Gen 4-5-6 are still tame, Gen 7 and onwards is when each gen significantly powercreeps the last
>>59188305>>59188175Honestly I think power creep is a good thing. It gives a reason to use the new pokemans. It would be boring as heck if it was just the same guys for 30 years
>>59188305Gen 4 had a few exceptional Pokemon, which is basically the same as every previous generation and was arguably an accident. Gen 5 was mostly just new Pokemon having stats that were on average good (with a few exceptions that once again partially feel like accidents), and a bunch of older Pokemon getting busted abilities through the hidden ability system. Gen 6 on the other hand feels like they were actually trying to cause power creep, between giving older Pokemon more stats, increasing the things types are allowed to do passively, Megas, and whatever the hell was going on in ORAS (Smogon had to put a Pokemon on their banlist for the banlist, shit was not normal).
>>59188323>Smogon had to put a Pokemon on their banlist for the banlist, shit was not normalWhat
>>59188175Gen 4 had such great quality of life and development of features from previous gen’s that’s what I remember it for and consider it as the culmination of, alongside the naturalist side of the plot from the previous gens. Since the digital devil angle seems to have been phased out immediately post red and blue.
>>59188323Gen 4’s powercreep mostly comes from the tide overall being rise due to higher BP moves, the phys-spec split and new evos bumping up the BST averageGen 5’ power creep is from mons starting to becoming more minmaxed but also because it introduces so many mons it’s bound to have create more strong mons by raw numbers. Gen 6 is when the powcreep really started to get out of control though ironically the biggest culprits wasn’t the Gen 6 Pokémon it was the super saiyan shill forms like CHARIZARD’s.>>59188312Except 1) it gives the old Pokémon no reason to exist and 2) much of of the powecreep is from overpowered forms of shillmons from previous gens so it benefit of getting to use new mons barely exists half the time
>>59188353To me, I dont even see how you can make points 1 and 2 at the same time. Because megas seem to fix the problem of old mons not being relevant by giving them more powerful forms. So it’s a really clever way of mixing old and new, while also keeping the old fresh.
>>59188243It was both. These things come in waves.Gen 4 brought back a lot of people who had played Gen 1 as young kids and kept gaming, but skipped over Gen 2 and especially 3 because it was widely considered kiddy crap. By the time the DS games came out, these people were old enough to not give a fuck about looks and the social aspects of Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection were enough to get nostalgic people back into it.Gen 6 was a much bigger return, because a lot of the aforementioned DS players had skipped Gen 5, seeing as by then the DS was old news and their nostalgia was satisfied. They were back for Gen 6 because the 3DS was the hot new successor system and it was the first 3D Pokemon game. That's why everyone bought it in 2013. Then obviously Go got more nostalgic people involved who were now 25+ and had disposable money to get a 3DS and XY/ORAS.If you really think about it, it happened AGAIN with the Switch for the same reasons. Especially when every retard was buying one in COVID. AlsoThe DS was popular with EVERYBODY not just little kids, especially after the Lite released looking Apple-sexy.
>>59188228Genwunners and their Johtard leg-humpers circlejerking amongst themselves =/= "taking off."
>>59188312Dude it's pokemon. You don't use Pokemon just because they are stronger than other people's pokemon. You use them because they are cool and interesting and have a neat gameplay gimmick.Powercreep is exclusively compfaggotry.
>>59188121Unova was the start of nuGen. All the things people complain about in NuGen games such as removing old features, having no content and overly scripted cutscenes that break your pacing and interrupt you came about.BW2 was also when we started having massive regional dex filled with more oldmons than new.
>>59188461I like the cutscenes. Games feel empty without them (hgss)
>>59188496Cutscenes by themselves aren't a problem. The problem is when they interrupt your gameplay constantly to do or say nothing of substance. Gen 5 was when that started. I think back to how the C-Gear would pop up and interrupt the gameplay all the time for example.People complain about this kind of thing in newer games but give Gen 5 a pass for it just because the games use sprites. Its so dumb.
>>59188163Notice that i the fourth panel the character ask for a gun. Probably with only one bullet.
>>59188461truth nuke
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>>59188050>OLD GEN GUD>NEW GEN BADTale as old as time, happened as soon as Gen 2 dropped. Its also not limited to Pogeymans
>>59188266>including the beta sprite because the Gold sprites don't support your attempt to make feralifag straightAnother day, another disingenuous spritetard faggot child
>KANTOOOOO eraGen 1 and 2>Golden eraGen 3, 4, 5 and 6>Da beginning of the endGen 7. Death of Mystery Dungeon. Start of freemium mobile spinoffs for max profit rather than good games.>The slopocolypseGen 8 and 9. Start of descent into meme slop. Even the most hardcore Pokéshills hate the games now.
>>59189100>and 6
>>59189142While it is my least favourite Mystery Dungeon, I still had fun with Super Mystery Dungeon. The post game was a huge Open World and it probably has the most content out of all Mystery Dungeon games and ALL gen 1-6 Pokémon. You could probably sink 200+ hours into that game.Rumble World is also a decent little brawler with a fun story if you use hax to get premium.It was only gen 7 when they stopped making good spinoff games for mobile slop.
>>59188050They should do one for Bax
>>59188358Except they could've just given them normal evos like Gen 2 and 4.Or modify their stats and/or give them a better ability.The problem with Megas is that since you're only allowed to use one, anything that isn't la crème de la crème (as the Kalosians say) is still going to be ignored.
It was definitely a some sort of peak with the introduction of wifi.
>>59188251Yes, yes I do.
>>59189228Larping because you’re a contrarian
>>59189230Should I post my Chikorita collection?
>>59189230He might just be a metafag who likes it because Wolfey reached rank1 in champions with the Mega
>>59188251Torterra ≥ Meganium >> Sceptile
>>59189236Been a Chikochad from day 1.
>>59189253LMAO imagine being such a simp for such a dumb fugly shitmon.
>>59189257No, it’s cute. I hate the pear but everyone has their favorite
>>59189257Meganium is now more competitively viable than both Sceptile and Torterra. The "muh shitmon" argument is out the window.
>>59189253Chikorita looks better with yellow skin
>>59188050Lapras if gen 9
I wish base Meganium was good
>>59189264It doesn't make much of a difference to me. Chikorita is cute regardless. Yellow Chikorita does live on with the shiny. On a related note, I am the proud owner of a shiny Meganium in HeartGold, which I willingly soft reset over a shiny Cyndaquil for. And I'd do it again.
>>59189253>>59189275I enjoy Chikorita more now that I've played GSC to death and Cyndaquil/Totodile makes the game too easy, but I would've hated Chikorita for life if I picked her for my first playthrough back in 2001
>>59189267Honestly? It's not even remotely as bad as people make it out to be.It has notable (albeit niche) use in Gen 2 competitive, more than Typhlosion or Feraligatr in fact. And while it's true that the Chikorita family does have a type disadvantage against a lot of gyms in Johto, most of its disadvantages are against the weaker gyms anyway. It actually performs the best against Whitney, widely considered to be the most difficult gym leader in the Johto games. The only fight it particularly struggles with is Lance from my experience.It gets some pretty useful moves too, Swords Dance + Earthquake always seems to get the job done against anything that can't fly over it, and Body Slam is a good backup option as long as you aren't up against a levitating ghost. Razor Leaf is phenomenal for the early game, way better than Ember or Water Gun. Its biggest weakness really is that all its coverage is physical, but all its decent STAB moves are special.
>>59189291I picked Chikorita for my first playthrough because it was cute. I struggled, because I was a child, but I had a great time and I wouldn't want it any other way.
>>59188106Gen 4 is when most of the original 90s kid fans that started with Gen 1 and hadn’t left already finally dropped it. People love to act like Gen 5 sold terribly because it was bad. But that’s just not the case. Gen 5 sold terribly because so many people left after Gen 4 disappointed them. People didn’t start returning until Gen 6-7.>>59188107Truth. I think there’s been plenty of games better than DPPt, but the general sentiment is correct. People hated Gen 4 and decided Pokemon was dead and dropped it.
>>59189315>People love to act like Gen 5 sold terribly because it was badI mean it was but that's not why it sold badly (by pokemon first version standards anyway). SwSh and ScaVio show that the quality of a game does not matter, people will buy it regardless.It sold less because it came out at the end of the DS's lifespan. Hell, by the time B2W2 came out, the 3DS had been out for like a year. This is just the sort of thing that happens when games release late in a console's life span. Take a look at Kirby's Dream Land 3 for example.
>>59189324also the DS already had very similar looking Pokemon games and to most people it's all the same
>>59189309>>59189313>>59189314The Squirtle and Bulbasaur lines look cool. Although, I prefer the OG versions.But the skinny Charmander line looks cursed.
>>59188923>implying Optimus Primal has ever been good.
>>59189330To be fair gen 5 WAS a pretty huge visual """upgrade""" (in that it was far more technically impressive for the hardware even though it looked like shit)
>>59189342>even though it looked like shithold your horsesit looks good if you play it on original hardware
>>59189347No, not really. I DO play on original hardware.The only way those sprites would look good is MAYBE on a CRT, which would help obscure the fact that they're distorted. I could see that helping a lot.
>>59189352og DSi?
>>59188106Gens 3/4/5 were all when it was socially taboo to be into Pokemon. Gen 6 was when normalfags started returning to it. t. autist who started with Gen 1, who tried getting people into the series
>>59189353I have a LOT of DS line systems. I've played it on a DS Lite, DSi, DSi XL, 3DS, and New 3DS XL. None of them made it look good. BW and B2W2 feel like they were designed to be played on a CRT, but they're DS games.
>>59189364play it on a og dsi and only that, maybe a ds lite too but i don't own one. anything else and it looks blown out and nasty
>>59189369That in and of itself is a problem.
>>59189324I think you're right but I'm also curious: why didn't SM suffer the same fate despite releasing under similar console lifespan conditions? Obviously Pokemon Go is a big part, but I wonder how influential the non-PoGo parts were (XYORAS retention vs returning fans who skipped Gen 6 vs new fans not from PoGo in a time when it had Yokai Watch as competitor)
>>59189359Fellow genwunner I can verify this claim. Sylveon and mega evolution really did a lot to draw in normies. If it wasn't for gen 6, PoGo's launch would've looked like Unite's.
>>59188228they're better than 4's but not better than 3's
>>59188163I think I saw a version that went up to gen 8 once, and it was terribly unfunny dexit seethe
>>59189376i guess but i've always used my DSi to play it so I've never understood the sprite complaints. i guess the back sprites for the pokemon can look a little ugly at times but overall they look fine. i remember back when i first played BW i just appreciated that you could see the entire spirite rather than just a blob of the Pokemon's head.
>>59188461Gen 3 removed features first actually
>>59188050Gen 4 was and will always be the peak of 2000s edgekino design philosophy. It may not have been the best generation design wise but it's still a good contender.>>59188163God i always hated this shit, pure retarded basedllennial slop.
>>59189380I think it really was just Pokemon GO and all the 20th anniversary hype.Also holy shit, Sun and Moon turns 10 this year. Which means its fans will probably move on to a different game, because 10 is too old for them.
>>59189495>pure retarded basedllennial slopiirc the original post was even some faggy "I'm growing too old for this franchise" mid-life crisis whinging
>>59189315That's true for me, I was underwhelmed by Diamond and skipped gen 5, I played X because it was the first 3D game, then dropped pokemon again until the recent Winds/Waves trailer got me interested in trying Scarlet for the open world.
>>59189315Gen 5 didn't sell terribly at all.
>>59189324The reason why SwSh and SV sold well was both because of the switch's install base, the toxic positivity mindset that permeates fandom circles right now, and the fact that GO led them to acquire a massive consumer cattle normalfag audience that buys the games but doesn't actually play them, hence why SwSh and SV have no cultural impact, and much less so than worse selling gens, despite being the best selling other than gen 1.
>>59189292>It actually performs the best against Whitney, widely considered to be the most difficult gym leader in the Johto games.Using any of the starters against whitney is pointless when the game just hands you a machop and Geodude can solo the first 4 gyms.The problem with Chikorita and Megnamium isn't that it's unusuable. It's just that it doesn't do anything for most of the game. If you want to powerlevel a starter, the other two are better choices. If you want a anchor to build your team around, it's at best useful for dropping barriers. If you want a usable Pokemon, it's outclassed by most other choices.
honestly feels like a pokemon game with a non grass/fire/water starter set seems obligatoryif you don't count the Let's go! games, the last time we had one was Pokemon Colosseum and Pokemon Yellow before that.
>>59188050I remember when garchomp was considered "overdesigned" or gen 4 as a whole and now we have mons like cinderace quaquavel ultra beasta eternatus incin and so on, now no one says anything hypocrite fucks
>>59189604What else could work as a good starter trio?Poison/Fairy/Dragon?Earth/Rock/Flying?3 different types of Normal Pokemon?Clefairy/Jigglypuff
>>591896683 dragons
>>59188050People finally got good taste
>>59189668If by "work" you mean in the sense of a balanced type triangle, the only other trio that is truly equal to a degree closest to Grass/Fire/Water is Fighting/Rock/FlyingThere are other trios that work in the SE direction, and some in the NVE direction as well, but this is the only one where each type is also the same effectiveness against against itselfBut if you just mean anything goes, then three types that don't interact with each other at all could be a cool alternative, like say Poison, Ice, and DarkOr if we're not doing trios, then something like Normal vs Ghost might be neat
>>59189698>Poison, Ice, and DarkIf gamefreak had the balls to do pokemon in NYC
>>59189713Anon...
>>59189713>If gamefreak had the balls to do pokemon in NYCErm...
>>59189734>>59189722what am i missing here....
>>59189419Gen 2 removed Safari ZoneGen 3 removed killing your save file after the battery dies in 5 years
>>59188106I feel like there's a bunch of zoomerd LARPing in this thread cause everyone knows that Pokemon on a new console that had online for the first time was a massive selling point that caused a huge resurgence in returning players. Just because it wasn't Pokemania 2.0 doesn't mean it wasn't highly impactful.
childhood is having a favorite pokemone generation. adulthood is realizing they're all pretty shit.
>>59189795>adulthood is realizing they're all pretty shit.Sometimes I think this is actually true.But I am bound by nostalgia to the series because I played it since I can think.But mainline series gameplay isn't great at all. Music and presentation are kickass, but soare other JRPGs.
>>59188107> "nuPokemon" (Gen 4) are ugly and overdesigned.I agree with this, but it started with gen 3.
>>59189795I disagree on the notion that generations are more than just the main games. If you only look at then then yeah Pokemon is mid at best, but when you take into account everything there has never been a phenomen quite like it
>>59189771Unova.
>>59189802TRVKEGen 3 is actually more over designed than a lot of the later generations. Shit killed pokemania
Hoenn > Johto > Sinnoh > Kanto > Alola > Unova > Kalos > Galar > Paldea
>>59189818Designs (Not games)Gen 5 > KANTOOOO > Gen 3 > Gen 4 > Gen 6 > Gen 7 > Gen 2 > NugensBut gen 4 probably has the nicest GAMES
>>59189802It's a pretty darn cool Dinosaur with fangs and sharp claws. A bit like a very stylized T-rex.Even if Dialga is my favourite dinosaur.
>>59189802This was a necessary course correction after gen 2 babified and underdesigned its pokemon
I'm quite confident that Garchomp was always loved. But the Pokemon "Gods" like Dialga were divisive because of power levels.
>>59189857Powercreep started with Arceus.Now we have Mega Rayqaza, Ultra Necrozma and Eternatus.I don't like it but I don't care for it that much because designs are more important anyways.But Dialga is cool because he is a huge armored dinosaur with calws and horns and has cool decorations on his back and the final boss of Explorers of Skys main campaign.
Charizard if he gen1
>>59189959Kek
>>59189959Hah! Take that, Charizard!Not so cool and popular anymore, eh?
>>59189959my snake after having a big big meal and getting a big round rumbly tummy
>>59189795RSE, Platinum, BW, and B2W2 weren't shit, and HGSS was about as good as a gen 2 remake could have been without making radical changes, but even they were still mediocre at best compared to good JRPGs. Everything outside of those have been total garbage unless you count spinoffs.
>>59188358> Because megas seem to fix the problem of old mons not being relevant by giving them more powerful formsBecause the overwhelming majority megas either went to broken Shillmons who didn’t needed ir weren’t enough to help them Pokémon. The he watershed area or Pokemon that needed a mega, got one, and became good from that mega is extremely small,
>>59189313>gen 8 Charizard
>>59189959Charake
>>59189795This was true of my boy Blaziken until speed boostIt was getting dogwalked in Battle Frontier
>>59189597>If you want a usable Pokemon, it's outclassed by most other choicesNot really, no.Feraligatr is outclassed by Gyarados.Typhlosion is outclassed by Entei.Meganium though? There's not any better grass options.It also serves more roles than just "attacker," so it slots nicely into any team.
>>59189267Base Meganium is the best of the Johto starters in comp in Gen 2, looking at Smogon's OU rankings.
>>59189291Honestly they're about equal in GSC. I played Crystal once with each starter as a child (yes, autism, I know), and I don't remember ever recognizing a meaningful difference. I guess Chikorita is at more of a disadvantage in the remake because Scyther with U-turn at the second gym is crazy work, but outside of Bugsy it's really still just on par with the other two.
>>59189857Garchomp was definitely divisive. Newer players enjoyed it, but older players would shit on it, as you see in the OP. It was one of the Sinnoh poster children for being "overdesigned" in the same way Deoxys and Rayquaza were shat on by older fans when Hoenn released.
>>59190912Oldfag here, Garchomp was cool as shit, because like most oldfags of the era, I dropped Pokémon in Gen 2, then got introduced to a non-shit, non-tradelocked dragon, which was such a powerhouse, the champion ran it and made it her Ace. Anyone who says Garchomp was shat on is likely a hoennbab seething flygon got made irrelevant and Sally was still 8 years from its mega to make it worth using.
>>59189560By Pokemon standards it did. Worst selling non-remake up to that point
>>59191152Garchomp lovers are retarded meta chasers because it was everywhere in gen 4.
>>59189315>5th gen unholy copeHas to be hell.If you want to go full schizo delusion it’s better to go from the literal generational angleMost people age out of pokemon after two generations, the era after 4 was a slump for pokemon overall. Attentions were elsewhere and the birth rates weren’t helping old fans literally create new ones
>>59192568>hoennbab continues to melt down over a more popular pokémonWow. It's almost as if it was cool as shit as well as being a meta-relevant typing with a moveset. I guarantee you though, the VAST majority of people that loved it did not in fact "chase the meta" as PvP has ALWAYS been the least-important aspect of the games for the entirety of the fanbase.
