Remember when campaignshitters said Mega Scovillain was going to be a shitmon?
>if i keep spamming the same thread people will think i am funny!Brown
>>59189973most people on this board are absolute dogshit at the game and can only remember one mechanic at a time so it's not surprising>hurrrrr you're wasting your mega just to burn opponents it's not like you can also click attacks!
>>59189973>Metaslave build + shitmon you don't have to even play
Remember the last thread about this from three days ago?At least Ivyshart got nuked.
they said the same thing about victreebelmeanwhile japs are hitting high master ball rank in singles with it
>>59190006>b-but you're wasting your mega slot just to kill your mega! it's not like you can click moves! it's not like forcing your opponent to not 1HKO you has inherent value! me only remember one mechanic at a time!
>>59189973Remember when idiots and pedos where saying scovillian wasn’t a shillmon
>>59189973Oh man Scovillain is SO GOOD BROS-... when they remove Mence and Ursaluna so you can play pretend. The only competent thing you'll encounter that uses Spray against the shitmon is Milotic who would rather have Competitive
At least /vp/ did get one thing correct. Mega Skarmory is fucking terrible.
>>59190335And Feraligatr, and Emboar. They also got Golurk and Starmie correct.
>>59190330>scovillain is good in the game instead of the imaginary one I made up in my headyes
What makes the mon good?
>>59190338there was one delusional retard who kept trying to insist emboar would be good
>>59190362lmao
>>59190362Blunder still is lol
>>59190335>Yo bro MEGANIUM IS GONNA BE SO GOOD BROS>Delphox got Levitate LMAO fucking shitmon DoA>Mega Dragonite will NEVER be goodstill laughing at this one
>>59190338Golurk and Starmie are both just "fine" Megas, neither of them live up to the level of broken people expected upon first learning of their potential abilities. If anything, they're some of the best balanced Megas of the new lot because otherwise absurd strength is balanced out by pain points that carry over from the base forms (Mega Golurk is still slow with a dogshit defensive typing meaning it's now explosive power is locked behind TR/incredibly safe play, Mega Starmie's offensive typing is still terrible with average base power options and piddle in terms of type coverage so hitting almost as hard as Mega Mawile with base 120 Speed is a lot less appealing)
>>59190412>>Yo bro MEGANIUM IS GONNA BE SO GOOD BROSAnd then came along a certain video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxHTeE0UrnA
>>59190412> >Yo bro MEGANIUM IS GONNA BE SO GOOD BROSMeganium got a powercrept version of ZARD Y’s ability. Designed to counter weather in the weather war meta, and resists Dragon, Water, Fighting, and Dark. Had it been released in Gen 6 it damn well would have been nice better. No one could have predicted that poison would start being worth a damn now. Skibidi and Baconboy are bums and would have been flipping burgers back in Gen 6. MegaMeganium isn’t bad the way most of the new megas are it just can’t quite keep up with how far the tide has risen
>>59190518>MegaMeganium isn’t bad the way most of the new megas are it just can’t quite keep up with how far the tide has risenBUT DA 4X WEAKNESS TO POISON SAVE ME SNEASLER-SAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>>59190518>No one could have predicted that poison would start being worth a damn now.it wasn't a prediction if you had played either smogon or vgc during sv lmfao
>>59190518>MegaMeganium isn’t bad the way most of the new megas areMost of the new Megas aren't even bad, just either average or niche. The only ones I'd say aren't worth consideration are Skarmory, Drampa (Golurk and Crab beat it's ass in the TR-centric Megas department, maybe if it had Drizzle), Emboar, Chimecho, and Feraligatr (maybe? Wolfe just made a video on it and it didn't do all that badly honestly, but he still had to play around the single Scarfchomp he ran up against like it was a Nuclear Bomb to be defused so it's biggest drawback is alive and well). I've seen people do genuinely cool stuff with the rest.
>>59189973why are compfags playing a game with an ugly troon lol
>>59190412Mega Meganium is actually good.Mega Dragonite is only being used because there is no Tera and there is fuck all for items. It's not even that great currently either.
>>59190351Guaranteed burn is good. Guaranteed burn on a redirector is great.
>>59190535>Most of the new Megas aren't even bad, just either average or nichethat's the thing. Megas need to be more than average. Yes, ZA megas (in fact megas in general) are good in a vacuum and are literately legenadaries compared to almost any non-mega. Game Freak in an extremely rare act of common sense, balance, and respect for the non-shillmons pokemon, required megas to hold item, and limited them one per team, to attempt to make sure that Pokemon without a weather ability or not named incineroar had a reason to exist. but in doing so rose the standard for each megas. You damn well better hit hard or provide godly utility if you want to be worth a mega stone.
>>59190330You act as though thatA. The current meta has no good Pokemon when it has Incineroar, Sneasler, Mega Starmie, Garchomp, Whim, etc.B. There won’t be things Scovillain won’t be good into in the future, like Rillaboom, Urshifu, and all the physical restrictedsC. Like Ursaluna likes tanking Grass STAB from over 130 SpA, even if you don’t invest into it, or how it can use Mega Scovillain to its advantage with Earthquake
>>59190548Wolfey isn't a tranny.
>>59190861Urshifu might've legitimately gotten it's ankles broken with the Unseen Fist nerf. It's stats are still good and Rapid Strikes/Wicked Blow are still good moves but the format is in no shortage of fantastic single-target attackers and the fact that both forms hard lose into Fairies and can no longer nullify Protect wholesale means it's unironically fighting with mons like Sneedler for a slot now when it wasn't even a contest before
>>59190351Guaranteed burn on a redirector is goodNot completely passive and can put holes in some notable stuff. Movepool isn't massive, but covers just enough to workPretty good anti-weather mon, covers sun & rain (and snow lmao) surprisingly wellAt absolute worst a suicide burn isn't bad, but between its typing and barely okay defenses, it's actually surprisingly difficult to oneshot. I think if regular Scovillain had the ability nobody would use the mega, but, as a mega it can effectively trade megas in a lot of circumstances, while also accomplishing a bit more besides, which isn't a bad deal It's pretty dependant on doubles to be good, as a singles mon it's pretty eh, and even worse in a 6v6 environment. Hell, I think doubles 6v6 might also expose more of its limitations, it really doesn't have much staying power, while absolutely depending on that staying power to function, but for the meta provided, its weaknesses are more or less minimized Mega Scovillain is actually really interesting, because it's just barely enough in a bunch of ways, while having a single extremely leveragable strength in its ability. I think even if Mega Mence comes to champions, it won't completely dumpster this thing, because in the absolute worst case scenario, you have a burned Mega Mence on their team for the cost of your mega, instead of a Mega mence dead to speed tie loss on your side and nothing to show for it, and Scovillain still does good into shit like Mega Aggron.
>>59189973>Scarf Arch>Two tailwind settersHow slow is this nigga?
>>59190881Yeah, I think Urshifu's dead. I think the water form will have some niche usage, it has some things its typing does, but Urshifu as a platform was so reliant on Unseen Fist to stand out, that without it it's kinda fukkin nothing.
>>59190330If anything, Mega Scovillain will only get better as more physical attackers get added, like Mega Metagross and Rillaboom. Even Mega Mence can get fucked if it's not fully special.
>>59190881>>59191023Which Urshifu was seen to be the better one competitively? Or are they about even?
>>59191052>Even Mega Mence can get fucked>Getting hit with a powered up Facade>fucked
>>59191120Rapid Strikes was consistently considered the better of the two. Loses less hard into Fairies, benefits from Rain, Surging Strikes breaks Sashes, etc.
I like how campaignshitters invented this new cope that every mega salamence conveniently runs facade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJRLq1eNH0/vp/bros...we're wrong on Victreebel too...?
>>59190881>>59191023>”Urshifu is dead!”>One of the strongest VGC Pokemon of all time is dead because its still strong ability was nerfed to be actually reasonable>Still has a guarantee crit signature move that ignores Intimidate and hits really hard and which stacks with Rain and breaks sashesCome on man
>>59190006>>59189973I'm very pleased to be wrong about these guys. They deserve the spotlight they're getting and I'm always pleased to see powerful Grass types that aren't Cringemoongus.
>>59191420I still acknowledge those strengths (I'm the guy that posted >>59191136 actually), but I'm operating under the rationale Urshifu is only really gonna be around when the power level is decently high (bare minimum when the Sublegends are added to Champions/made legal) and it's significantly nerfed without essentially being able to ignore a move so omnipresent in VGC it can be considered it's own system mechanic. It'll still be able to slap on a Scarf and exist next to Pelipper/Politoed/Kyogre and generate value but it's real estate on teams is a lot more questionable without it's big boon.
I never thought urshifu was allatHe’s got some pretty easy counters if you know he’s coming
>>59189973>>59190006Is Emboar the only guy somebody hasn't found a function for?
>>59190475>neither of them live up to the level of broken people expected upon first learning of their potential abilitiesLiterally just wait for Regigigas and M-Starmie will be redeemed
>>59190412>>59190518Meganium seems fine as is, if it can get top 8 in a high level tourney where everyone and their mom has Zard/Sneed. It's clearly designed for Urshifu/OgerponW/Raging Bolt meta though.
>>59189973>>59189978samefag
>>59191920Damn, did rain fall off a cliff or what?
>>59191920>Americans can only win with jankBased
>>59191920Also Dondozo, obviously.>>59191920Tyranitar and Aerodactyl kill Charizard well enough, I guess. The hot thing is to complain about rock slide right now.
>>59191120Water was a bit better, but it was pretty even, and more down to team synergy or counterplay than either being strictly better. Water is just a better type than Dark most of the time, so it ends up being what a team wants more often. Now that Urshifu is so much worse offensively, that advantage is skewed even harder, since Water was already notable for much better defensive performance most of the time.>>59191420You gotta understand the circles Urshifu runs in.Sure, it's still fucking shitmons raw, but the core thing Urshifu DOES for its role, is bypass protect and disrupt strategies by killing through it. It can't do that anymore, so it's kind of just a big stupid attacker.
>>59191920>Milotic spamWhat changed for Milotic? I know it's always decent, but it's usually a few slots down the conga line of bulky waters. Why is it on so many teams?
>>59192005Competitive is good even without adrenaline orb.
>>59191431>They deserve the spotlight they're gettingNo they don't. I'm sick of the Pokemon with the ugliest fucking designs imaginable consistently becoming popular in competitive play but it happens so often I'm convinced Game Freak do this shit on purpose.
>>59191932Rain is hard to make stick since Zard is omnipresent and clears it. If Pelipper can't set rain AND tailwind it feels bad
>>59189973people just forgot about eviolite follow me magmar in gen 5 I guess.
>>59192005Primarina would be preferred generally but Fairy type is a detriment with Sneasler on the loose.
>>59192271well it was around last year as well, though I think electabuzz was more popular since it can't get slept or para'd
>>5919102185, but everyone is either running trick room or tailwind so you gotta be tailwinding yourself
>>59192030Scovillain is an ugly plant monster and that's a good thing.
