How did we end up in the weird divide where the Japanese fanbase loves VGC and 3v3/4v4 and playing on cartridge while the Western fanbase loves 6v6 singles and Smogon and simulators?It seemingly started before this because even in Gen 1, Japanese fans usually play by Nintendo Cup(Poke Cup) rules while Western fans usually play RBY OU.
>>59191016What’s weird about it?
Momentum. Gen 1 in Japan had big tournaments, and an entire televisied tv show of people competing in the Nintendo Cup formats. The original version of Stadium in the OP was literally JUST for simulating those tournaments and that format, only the second one(first one in the west) added more casual options. Even if the format had flaws, it was on TV, it had dedicated spin-off content for it, and it was what the cool tournament winners used. So people stuck with it, and thus stuck to it in Gen 2 and followed Gamefreak's lead.Meanwhile in the West we never had that TV show, never had those tournaments, and never had the original Stadium. The only exposure to the format here was in Stadium and even then al the variants for specific years were cut. So when people started work on the earliest simulators they had very little motivation to follow Gamefreak and instead crafted the prototype for what became Smogon using 6v6 singles instead of Pick 3 singles and an OU-UU-NU tier system instead of Nintendo/Poke Cup, Pika Cup, and Little Cup which was the official 'tiering'. By the time VGC became a thing in the Platinum era it was way too late for people to just switch over, and for half a decade afterwards most Western competitive players completely ignored it, though eventually once the younger generation came up and knew an official one existed their whole lives and Gamefreak slowly got better at promoting it VGC eventually became dominant in doubles.This is also why Japanese fans have so many fewer complaints than Western fans about Champions. They like playing on cartridge and Smogon has very little presence there. That's why the split has come to a head so much lately, Gamefreak's choices are fine with the Japanese fandom who has always played that way, but not the Western fandom who wants an option to play Smogon style
VGC is bigger in the west than in Japan.BSS is not VGC.
>>59191039I'm lumping in VGC and BSS and older formats like Nintendo Cup into one "Official" basket in the same way I'm lumping all the unofficial ones under Smogon even though Nugget Bridge and Perfect exist too
>Japan bought Switch and Switch 2>westerners were too unable to adult properly to afford said tech, so stuck to poor-friendly ecosystemsNot that surprising.
>>59191016Singles is harder than Doubles, its far more suffocating and restrictive Of course Asians prefer the stricter format
>>59191016Pokemon Stadium Zero is giga ass, don't play this.
>>59191085Both formats have a ton of flexibility. They only shoehorn you to a limited meta at the last few rounds of a major tourney. You can do well with jank casually or in lower skill brackets. You'll be at a disadvantage, but pokemon inherently has enough randomness to allow bullshit and skill combined to slide where you'd think it shouldn't.
>>59191033>>59191016...There are official formats that predate VGC and BSS?
Because americans are casuals
>>59191016Because burgers like to use their own shitty systems/sports then call themselves the best in the world. American handegg, imperial measurements.
>>59191016We never had official tournaments here, but we got simulators like Netbattle years before the official games got wi-fi on DS/Wii or even wireless adapters on GBA. People just played 6v6 because why wouldn’t they?
>>59191016Japanese are obedient and will do what is asked of themAmericans are not.It's really that simple.
>>59191016Japan is more conformist and goes along with what the big company puts out. The west is individualist so they’re not afraid to start their own thing instead of blindly following the herd.
>>59191695Gen 1 and 2 had Nintendo Cup with slight yearly rule changes(the base one being released in the west as Poke Cup) as well as Pika Cup and Little Cup to serve as lower tiers. In Japan it had an entire TV series promoting it. Gen 3 had a proto-VGC format that early Gen 4 used and Gen 4 moved to VGC (and VGC Singles which later became BSS.)
>>59191016Japs hate doubles and only love 3v3, I don't know what delusion you're under
>>59192149We used to call that VGC singles back in the Gen 4 days before BSS was a popular term SORRY
>>59192149I have to wonder who genuinely likes Doubles these days, especially after 10+ years of 3D gimmickslop like Megas, Z-Moves and Dynamax (especially dogshit in both formats). At least BSS makes some amount of sense in a speedy streamline but Doubles is always a shitshow thanks to mainline gimmicks
>>59192310But the gimmicks are made specifically for doublesThat's why they have to be banned from singles formats.
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>>59192310The game is clearly balanced around doubles. 3v3 singles is all about who can set up first with Calm Mind or Dragon Dance and sweep. Stuff like Moxie, Last Respects, etc. are very broken in singles.
>>59191085>Singles is harder than doublesHoly retard
>>59191016because brown people are low IQ pirates
>>59191016Japanese people are very tradition/company focused and will engage in whatever is official above all else. It's very funny on twitter now with the global autotranslate exposing Japanese users to so much piracy and unofficial medias that cause them to crash out.
>>59194115Or you could research about the real reason behind it >>59191033 and stop jerking to your selfmade theories
>>59194115or they’re simply less retarded and don’t feel like playing an arbitrary fanfic that barely resembles the game
>>59191033Finally someone who understands what paragraphs are and how to use double spacing correctly
>>59194378those posts literally agree with each other though, both conclusions are "they prefer to play on the official formats"
>>59194395That’s vgc where you are fighting genies in double battles, the real game is literally what Smogon tries to make (with varying degrees of success)
>>59194400>m-muh campaignholy shit smogshit lets me use full restores and switch mode?
>>59194406Kek
>>59194399The disagreement is the latter poster is saying it's purely a cultural thing while the former poster is saying it's a result of Gamefreak completely neglecting the official formats in the West until Gen 4 while promoting them heavily in the East
