This just in, shiny hunting with multiple consoles isn’t full odds and you should feel bad for ever calling it that
>>59192753Who caresPost your favorite shiny 2D or 3D
>>59192770Based, in the end 4chan really is the most inclusive website
yes, all "full odds" hunters are autistic retards who try to hide their gambling addiction behind running multiple slots at the same time over odds-maxing chads who want the shiny asap
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>>59192770I have a shiny Lunatone somewhere.
>>59192753watched it earlier today, literally no one cares and the entire thing is a complete nothingburger
shiny purists have always been lolcow faggots, just do what it takes to get your fav shiny have some fun with it and move on
>>59192753>308 subscribersBuy an ad
>>59193864Yeah I always thought the autism with shinies is retarded. There’s literally no difference between genned and real ones. No one would even know unless you said something.
>>59192753>huntingpathietic.Only a shiny encountered through pure luck and sheer chance is genuine; you must not seek it, it must come to you
>>59193864I learned to RNG abuse for shiny UBs and legendaries, it was a fun experience.
>>59192866there are some tards running up to 32 consoles at once and they pretend that's "harder" than a single console with shiny charm
>>59193939It's even worse, shiny autists pretend RNG manip ones aren't "real" despite RNG taking way more skill than just softresetting like a madman expecting a different result.
>>59192753I mean it’s not as if autistic people are known for rational thinking.
>>59192753truth nuke, you can't act all high and mighty over other's shiny charm shinies when you're getting several times more rolls per encounter as multi-huntertangentially related I find multi-hunting for badge quests/dream teams off putting, isn't it meant to be one trainer's journey to catch a shiny before each badge/for each team member, an interdimensional brown dawn catching a shiny legendary in their game and then depositing into your white lucas's boxes for the badge quest feels kinda against the spirit of it doesn't it? at that point why not just go out and hunt in out right completely different games fuck it, use scarlet for your sword badge quest, pearl and transfer it up for your omega ruby badge quest, what's even the point doing a badge quest if you're gonna catch stuff for it outside of said quest, it pretty much just turns into "I'm gonna catch 8 shinies then give it a fancy title"
>>59192753I only watched the first couple minutes of that video but got bored of him just stating basic definitions of shiny hunting odds....But sort of related to what you said, it does kind of piss me off how expensive old pokemon games are and then seeing some person shiny hunting on 5 consoles at the same time. Does this person need 5 copies of black 2 or emerald just so they can get a shiny pokemon?
>>59194129>when you're getting several times more rolls per encounter as multi-hunterBZZZZTwrong! you're getting a normal amount of rolls per encounter. you're just getting more encounters than others. each individual encounter is at normal odds.
>>59193913It's being pushed by the algo
>>59194090SRing a test of patience and RNG manip is dirt simple or extremely complex depending on the game and setup.You can always just read the game state and advance to your desired frame.
>>59194129>I find multi-hunting for badge quests/dream teams off puttingFair enough, but what if you want something extremely rare for your dream team such as a 1% encounter? You’d probably be hunting your target for literal years even with multi hunting>>59194131Flashcarts are the answer. If everyone used those, the demand for real games would go down.>>59194627This is the videos fatal flaw, multi hunting is a way of making a hunt easier, but it’s not a method as those directly impact the shiny odds, and it’s still full odds because each game is independent from one another.
It's honestly one of the dumbest videos I've ever seen. Multi-hunting isn't an exclusive that only full odds hunters can do. You can't add a completely separate factor to the math and claim two equations have the same answer when not adding the new factor to the other equation. He conveniently ignores this the entire video and even says some shiny hunting competition is making it unfair for method hunters by allowing multi-hunting when there is nothing in their rules that says method hunts can't be multi-hunted. Also under his brain dead logic hunting SV or ZA on Switch 2 should never be considered full odds since you get more encounters faster than on Switch 1. It's a stupid argument. If time investment was actually a factor in deciding full odds the standard for measuring hunts wouldn't be encounters, and a misleading assessment on a competitive event that's obviously going to adjust rules to make it fair doesn't change that. I can point out more flaws too, but it's long a enough post. It's a hilarious bad video, guy should be mocked by everyone for it.
>>59195704Unfortunately it’s been pushed by the algorithm, and it must have been received well because that video doubled his sub count.If he didn’t go on about ‘multi-hunting bad’ so much (as someone who deliberately hunts single console no less!) his video would’ve been a lot more agreeable.
>>59194627>each individual encounter is at normal odds.being extremely pedantic over encounter vs rolls, and even if you want to stick to that then it would mean that you have to accept 100x speedup shinies as full odds, because the individual encounters are still full odds and apparently that's all that matters, no, you and I both know that if you go into any shiny hunting communities boasting about your new full odds shiny you get every ten minutes you're gonna be told to fuck off, that they aren't full odds and banned if you keep posting them claiming to be full odds, so clearly there's more to the meaning of a full odds shiny than just the encounter, and under your definition then you also have include rng manipulation shinies, each encounter is still at normal odds in the game, you're just doing the work to ensure you hit the right roll within the normal encounter odds, but again if you start going around every 5 mins claiming a new full odds find again you're gonna be told to fuck off and that they're not full oddsso why does manipulating your chances through using multiple consoles count but not rng manip or speedup exactly? they all adhere to the normal odds on each individual encounter
>>59196935Pretty sure nobody has ever said that speedup isn’t full odds, it’s not like making the game fast changes the odds.Speedup cheapens the act of shiny hunting and feels very cheaty, even more so than RNG manipulation (which at least has some level of skill and is more its own thing). That’s why people don’t like speedup.
>>59193864This. I injected a whole shiny dex in a few minutes and I enjoyed every second of it. Im even putting a bunch of clones up for trade on Home to help others out there. Just do what makes you happy anons.
>>59192753Shiny Hunting is autism no matter how you go about it, they're just gonna rot in the box forever unless you're doing a shinylocke
>>59192753this is the most autistic retarted bullshit i have ever seen or even heard aboutIts not enough to spend 100 of hours grinding away to get a differnt colored pokemon but you arent even allowed to use one of the many in games methods to increase shiny odds or else the autist come screaming that their shiny is now worth less because even though they have a ridicolous setup where they have 30 different consoles all running at the same time to increase their shiny odds is perfectly fine But even when you do get a shiny that way its not good enogh you have to also catch it in a colorcordinated ball or else the entire hunt was for nothingLiterally the gayest shitA bunch of faggots throwing a hissy fit because someone else played the game in another way
>>59197492go away ivynigger
>>59192753I keep getting this thumbnail recommendation and I can only assume someone said a mean thing to him once and he got his pants in a twist, but I will not click it even to laugh at him.RNG, multihunt, Sparking Power, whatever, just have fun
>>59197492The thing is, the people who act like that are a tiny minority, most 1/8192 shiny hunters are chill.Meanwhile the guy who made the video is unironically doing the same thing: throwing a hissy fit because someone else played the game in a different way to what he likes. He’s even getting clout for spewing his bullshit arguments that make no sense if you think about them for at least 3 seconds.
>>59192770I love my chud sonworth learning how to chain fish to get a good one even though johtonian corsola sucks ass
>>59192753Full oddsfags who run multiple consoles have always felt like a joke to me. Two games sure, but when you're playing five+ GBAs at once it isn't really "full odds" anymore.
>>59197630>He’s even getting clout for spewing his bullshit arguments that make no sense if you think about them for at least 3 seconds.How do his arguments not make sense when the math is sound?
>>59197527>RNG, multihunt, Sparking Power, whatever, just have funThat's his argument though and that multihunt fags can eat a bag of dicks for trying to be elitist despite having the fastest shinies.
>>59192753I can kinda understand why people that waste their time "hunting shinies" would want their shiny to feel legitimate instead of cheap.But keeping tabs on other shiny hunters and policing how they hunt shinies is just psychopathic behavior. Do these people not realize nobody gives a flying fuck about their "accomplishments" other than themselves?
>>59192753I like this video because even outside of tranny shiny hunting it reveals some cool and old social dynamics. An in-group will make up any rule on the fly to gatekeep and protect their interests even if the basis of the rule is illogical or hypocritical. Multi-hunters are like that
>>59192753full odds just means not using anything that improves the odds in game, like masuda method, chaining, shiny charm, etc etcit doesn't have anything to do with multiple consoles or not
>>59197874see >>59194627more encounters, not higher odds.
>>59198081>t. braindead retard
>>59198134So the same as the shiny charm? At the end of the day the shiny charm has several rolls to check for shinyness, it's just done under the hood. From a mathematical stand point having multiple consoles is even higher odds because the shiny charm only presents you one pokemon and with multiple consoles you can have up to n shinies at once so even if the shiny charm "triples" the odds, three consoles still gives you higher odds. You might be just too dumb to understand it.
>>59197527it is he literally starts crying about twittertards but is too pussy to even show anything.>>59197835How is it not? Even just running a 2nd console is a lot more intensive than just one from experience. If there is any argument it's that using one controller on multiple consoles is delegitimizing but that's a completely separate issue and doesn't make multi hunting not full odds. It's the same as speed up or using a programmable controller where it just comes down to your own discretion.>>59197883The math isn't sound. He's adding a completely separate factor to full odds to make it equal his desired outcome while not adding said factor to method hunts.>>59197883His argument is full odds hunters are elitist hypocrites which he shows zero proof of the entire video. Which is wrong you can multi-hunt a method hunt just the same as full odds.>>59198065>it reveals some cool and old social dynamicsthe video literally doesn't reveal shit. Never once is a screenshot shown of supposed elitism or hypocrisy.
>>59198171>I don't understand probabilitieswe know
>>59198151you can get mad all you want but that's how it isnobody cares what you do with your games. Cheat, reduce the odds, use RNG manip, do it old school. Do whatever you wantfull odds is just that, not using anything that reduces the odds ingame. Multiple consoles does not reduce the odds. You can still go way over odds using multiple consoles and not get a shiny
>>59198168Wrong! The shiny charm increases the number of rolls per encounter, not the number of encounters. Using multiple machines only increases the number of encounters, and has the same odds of finding a shiny as only running one machine. you merely encounter more pokemon. you dont have increased odds, just increased encounters. each machine is independent and doesnt affect any other machine's odds.
>>59192753Hunting for a shiny legitimately doesn't count. Stumbling onto a random shiny, even if it's at the ridiculous 1/500 odds that the current gen games have, will always be more soulful than soft resetting or hatching 8000 eggs
>>59198188bro, nobody cares about your "soulful" pidgey you got randomly as a kid but you. Just like nobody cares about my shiny treecko I got after 17K resetsshinies don't have any value but for ourselves
>>59198168>>59198177Stop ignoring you can multi-hunt while having the shiny charm
>>59198186>retarded multifag can't readWrong! Increased encounters give a bigger advantage than increased rolls. Besides each encounter is at least 1 roll.
>>59198186>each machine is independent and doesnt affect any other machine's odds.Each roll is independent and doesn't affect any other roll's odds.
>>59198200That was ignored because nobody considers that full odds retard. That's just increasing the odds even further.
>>59198171>His argument is full odds hunters are elitist hypocrites which he shows zero proof of the entire video. Which is wrong you can multi-hunt a method hunt just the same as full odds.Poorly substantiated or lacking compelling evidence to you =/= wrong. You might be clinically retarded.
>>59198171>The math isn't sound. He's adding a completely separate factor to full odds to make it equal his desired outcome while not adding said factor to method hunts.What's the "completely separate factor" you're talking about?
>>59192753Shiny hunters are retarded, imagine someone saying they beat a raid "solo" but that "solo" was them using a modified controller so they could have 30+ characters attacking the raid boss. That's how stupid multi-console "hunter" sound when they claim to be full odds.
>>59198225>food analogy
>>59198171If I buy 10 different lottery tickets I have higher odds of winning than if I just bought a single ticket. If I hunt with 10 different games then I have 10 different chances to hit a shiny seed.Hunt however you want, but the full odds purists who have setups like this are a fucking joke.
>>59198203Lets say you manage to have 8192 consoles, all running the same game, and all having an unmodified, no-charm, no special bullshit, 1/8192 odds encounter at the same time. What're the odds that any of them, any of them at all, have a shiny?Sixty three percent.Now, lets assume you have one machine, doing the same no-bullshit 8192 encounters. Same odds. Same number of encounters. The only difference is that it is one machine rather than eight thousand machines.It turns out that the odds of that one machine getting a shiny over those eight thousand encounters is the same sixty three percent as the 8000 machines doing one encounter each.All thats changed is the amount of time it takes to do each encounter, which is its own thing. Perhaps thats what OP wanted to convey in his retardation? Who knows.My point is that unless you change the encounter itself, the odds wont change.>>59198208Except they dont. If a roll generates a shiny pokemon, it affects other rolls by cancelling them. It rolls until either it runs out of rolls, like a sad gacha player, or it rolls a shiny, like a gacha player who quits while theyre ahead. the unused rolls are discarded.
>if I roll six dice to get one to land on six it's not the same as you using a dice with two sixes on ityou're right it's even easier
>>59198229>missusing /v/irgin-speakgo back
>>59198244Actually multi-consoles have higher odds as encounters tend to infinity because the shiny charm stops checking after you get a shiny roll. So you being presented with n encounters vs 1 encounters for the shiny charm console means multi has higher odds (without even taking into account you can increase the number of consoles arbitraily whereas you can't do the same with the shiny charm).>Perhaps thats what OP wanted to convey in his retardation? Who knows.That's literally the conclusion of the video anon.
>>59198244>Except they dont. If a roll generates a shiny pokemon, it affects other rolls by cancelling them. It rolls until either it runs out of rolls, like a sad gacha player, or it rolls a shiny, like a gacha player who quits while theyre ahead. the unused rolls are discarded.Exactly, so the multi-console fags pretending their method is more legit is even more retarded because shiny charm gives lower odds than 3 consoles and these fags "hunt" with up to 32 consoles while pretending their shinies are "harder" that's the whole point.
>>59198213Holy shit you're so fucking stupid. Obviously, multi-hunting with charm is separate than multi-hunting full odds. It's almost like the key differentiator is the in game odds! >>59198217>actually advocating for "dude trust me bro" literal sheep mindset.>>59198220How many times do I need to repeat it? You aren't limited to hunting on multiple games if you're only playing full odds
>>59198236I out right mentioned one controller multi-hunting being pretty questionably, But what would be the issue here if they were individually controlling each one? My point is it's a completely separate point of contention and doesn't make multi-hunting =/= full odds.
>>59198264>thread topic: what shouldn't be considered "full odds" anymore>retardbro brings up something obviously not "full odds">waaaah waaaah why are you ignoring meeee!!You're genuinely dumb anon.
>>59198264>no bro I'm the sole arbitrer of what's sufficient evidence and despite me not watching the video it wasn't present, trust me brokys fag
>>59198276It is full-odds for each game but you are multiplying your encounter rate. If you believe shiny charm is illegitimate because it rolls 3 times for 1 encounter, it's only logical to say that it's equally illegitimate for someone getting 3 rolls for 3 encounters using 3 consoles or any number above that. Glad we agree multi-console fags are stupid for LARPing as purist
>>59198277Still not addressing the argument because you don't have one. Stop pretending to not be able to read. Multi-hunting is completely separate from both full odds and a method hunt/shiny charm. You only don't have to separate the odds if you choose to ignore that you can also multi-hunt with a charm or method hunt.
>>59198264>How many times do I need to repeat it? >Didn't even mention it onceSchizo
>>59198297You have no argument because multi-console faggotry is a method of increasing the rate at which you encounter a shiny, anything else is a weak cope and it's probably the worst one because it's the only one you can scale arbitrarily.
>>59198282I did watch the video. He only references a random video and shiny competition not related to elitism at all. His only 'evidence' of elitism is complaining about twitter without showing it>>59198293>If you believe shiny charm is illegitimate because it rolls 3 times for 1 encounter,>hallucinating argumentsIt's not illegitimate, it's just not full odds
can i hunt on my switch and my 3ds at the same time?
>>59198315>It's not illegitimate, it's just not full oddsAnd neither is multi-console faggotry, glad we agree. And if you disagree then you're retarded because you're replying to someone else pretending this dorsn't exist when you're being an example of it LoL
>>59193939>There’s literally no difference between genned and real ones. No one would even know unless you said something.Depend, dynamax adventure ones has their xor fixed at 1, some dumb injectors may or may not know these kind of details
>>59198306>a methodthats the other issue with his video he never even tries to define a method hunt. There can be a shiny hunting method that isn't a method hunt and is still considered full odds. See game corner. Method hunts are specifically an intended way to increase shiny odds. Which multi-hunting isn't.
>>59198293>it is full oddsthanks for agreeing with me
>>59198332Since everything comes down to rolling for a shiny frame multi-hunt gives you n rolls and shiny charm gives you 3, so it's silly to pretend one is "superior" that's the gist of it "full-odds" as a mark of prestige is nonsensical when you are playing on 32 consoles and any sensible person understands and agrees with this.
>>59198338Yes, just as each roll for the shiny charm is full odds as well. Glad we cleared that up.
>>59198322You can't read. You can never hunt full odds and method hunt/ shiny charm simultaneously. Multi-hunting can be applied to both. The Full odds isn't a set number. Even in game there are separate methods to increase encounters without increasing the base odds. Under the same logic you have to say playing SV on a Switch 2 is never full odds because you get more encounters than on Switch, which is retarded.
>>59198319sure bro do whatever you want and have fun just don't be a pedantic fag about it
>>59198354>Under the same logic you have to say playing SV on a Switch 2 is never full odds because you get more encountersYes, glad we agree>which is retarded.No, it is consistent. If you want to keep "full odds" as a prestige label you have to keep it 1 roll per 1 encounter at a time on a game with the lowest odds, otherwise it's just LARPing while looking for shortcuts.
It's true. Multiple systems is cheating.If you played multiple games at once, you didn't get the shiny.>t. single system 1/8192 purist
>>59198346Show me where I said otherwise. I'm not advocating for elitism just that multi-hunting doesn't make something not full odds. That wasn't the video. He doesn't show evidence of elitism as this widespread issue. Just cries about it while saying multi-hunting should never be considered full odds. Shiny value has been meaningless for decades that's not the point of contention.
>>59198354>You can never hunt full odds and method hunt/ shiny charm simultaneously.Neither can you while engaging in multi-console faggotry if you're being intellectually honest. At the end of the day what people care about is the number of shinies obtained, if it increases the rate at which you encounter a shiny then it's not as rare and pretending it deserves the rarity lable while being the method with the highest potential shiny rate is silly at best and borderline scummy at worst.
>>59198354>The Full odds isn't a set number.Yes it is. 1/8192.>b-b-but muh nugen pokemonNot full odds.>Under the same logic you have to say playing SV on a Switch 2 is never full odds True!>because you get more encounters than on SwitchIt's because the base odds are 1/4096, not 1/8192. But that too, yeah.One encounter at a time (double battles are whatever since they're something that just kinda happens while hunting in dark grass in gen 5, not much you can do to avoid it), 1/8192. That's the one PURE way to shiny hunt.
>>59198367>If you want to keep "full odds" as a prestige label you have to keep it 1 roll per 1 encounter at a time on a game with the lowest oddsI don't want that though. I don't give a shit about the prestige
>>59198377Pretending you earned the prestige label when using the easiest method is some cognitove dissonance shit.
>>59198386great argument over then. Cause not even the retard that made the video argues modern games can't be full odds. If you want to think that go ahead.
>>59198387Then why are you autistically defending the prestige label being misused?
>>59198403>Cause not even the retard that made the video argues modern games can't be full odds.well yeah, because he's a retard, like you said.
If your shiny isn't an alpha and in a beast ball, it's fucking useless.
>>59198403He does mention "full odds" tards look down on the nuGen games and don't consider them really "full odds". So again, you didn't watch the video and the video is consistent and sound while you are jusy looking for shortcuts but also want the prestige.
>>59198400read >>59198387Also it's not even the easiest since you could multi-hunt games with shiny charm and a method hunt instead of full odds
>>59198368>>59198380Based consistencyCHAD, this is the true objective opinion btw.
>>59198415multi-hunt with shiny charm is a variation of multi-hunt so yes it's the one with the highest potential shiny encounter rate. And you can increase the number of systems arbitrarily, at a certain point it would take longer to unlock the shiny charm if you take all the time into account than just adding another console.
>>59198410My aerodactyl passes, Champions is safe with me watching over it…
>>59198405It has nothing to do with prestige, full odds is just the factual term of what the in game odds are with no internal modifiers >>59198413>He does mentionholy shit lmao. See what I'm saying? He shows no proof of this being a widely held belief by supposed elitist. It's not even hard to show some circumstantial evidence from one or two twitter loons. Guess you don't even need to do the bare minimum when mouth breathers will all fall in line
>>59198429It's almost like multi-hunting without charm would be multi-hunting with full odds.
>>59198443No it's not. Pretending otherwise is being silly.
>>59198435>waaaah waaaah it's full odds!!!!! waaaaaah my shiny is le rarest tmkys fag
>>59198435>>59198443If someone were to concede multi-hunting is full odds someone would need to also concede shiny charm is also full odds as each roll uses the full odds just like every roll in multi hunt uses full odds. Glad we agree on this.
>>59198461no full odds only describes in game shiny chance. There are external methods that can delegitimize a shiny if you want, but I don't care about that.
>>59198507The in game shiny chance is the same with or without the shiny charm for each roll.
>>59198516>>59198461yes, every roll is full odds, but each encounter for the shiny charm isnt full odds. meanwhile, each encounter in a charmless multihunt is full odds.why obsess over rolls when the encounter is what matters
>>59198550>why obsess over rolls when the encounter is what mattersWrong, getting a shiny is what matters. You're just obscuring the fact you get several rolls (just like with the shiny-charm) by focusing on encounters.
It’s clear this debate won’t end anytime soon so I ask you all this: what is ‘full odds’ and what is a ‘method’?Traditionally, full odds has always meant hunting at the base shiny chance, so 1/8192 or 1/4096 depending on the game. And a method has always meant some form of in game mechanic that allows you to increase the odds of any given encounter being shiny.According to that definition, multi-hunting, XY hordes, and speedup are all full odds.This guy is trying to say that the speed of the encounter somehow affects its odds.
>several anons making the same argumentSOUL>one anon using his ragebait charm to get more (You)s fastersoulless
>>59198927you do have a point
>>59198924>This guy is trying to say that the speed of the encounter somehow affects its odds.Wrong>you to increase the odds of any given encounter Focusing on encounters instead of rolls is retarded and intellectually dishonest
>>59198927It's just one disingenuous fuck who wants to claim that their shinies are prestigious but want to get the shinies in the easiest way possible.
>>59198171get a job
>>59198943Focusing on encounters is how shiny hunting has always been since the very beginning. There’s a reason people say they found a shiny in however many encounters and not however long.Yes, some hunts take longer per encounter than others, but that’s entirely irrelevant.The chance of a shiny appearing, the time each encounter takes, and the number of encounters it takes are all independent from one another, and the only thing that impacts if a hunt is full odds is the raw chance of a shiny appearing per encounter.
>>59192753Did Absol finally troon out? Figured he was getting there with the hair, but that commissioned thumbnail is definitely feminine.
>going out of your way to get a shiny instead of stumbling upon one by pure chanceSoulless. Just inject at that point.
it's not rocket science guys throwing 32 dice and claiming your odds of getting a 6 are just 1/6 is dumb.
>>59194131The elite doesn't want you to know this but second-hand Pokemon games and Nintendo handhelds used to be cheap. I'm talking like $20 for a loose copy of Emerald and maybe $40 on the high end for a Game Boy Advance. Speculationfags ruin everything, as usual.Can't speak for whoever you specifically have a gripe against but it's possible they picked up extra systems/games before retards decided these things were an "investment".
>shiny huntingImma be real here. This is easily the most cringe part of the games bar none. Imagine actually aiming for a visual downgrade of your favorite mon.Remember kids, if the shiny was actually better then they would have made it the default.
>>59192770Shiny nidoqueen in LG is my butt ugly brown daughter and I love her.
>>59199826good for you bro
>>59199856Thanks bro.
>>59199826So like Shiny Rayquaza being way more shilled thsn the regular one?
>>59199812The problem is it's not a specific person. There's been too many times where I've seen some person shiny hunting on youtube and they're just talking to chat while 4 different DS/gameboys are sitting in front of them just so it goes a little faster.
>>59199708No, but whoever he commissions certainly is.I miss when he drew his own thumbnails. Even though his art wasn’t particularly good it was full of soul.His more recent videos feel more ‘corporate’ for lack of a better term.
