Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.Switch 2 users: Launch the game in handheld mode or undock/redock to get the performance boost>NewsMaintenance on April 23 from 3:00 to 6:00 UTC (probably new patch)Champion Tier & Master ranks 1-3 unlocked for current seasonWarm Up Challenge competition over, Gardevoir reward availableFree Machamp mystery gift code: CHAMP10NMobile release possibly leaked for June>Linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/https://x.com/Pokemon_Champs (EN) https://x.com/Poke_Champ_jp (JP)Pokémon data: https://serebii.net/pokedex-champions/Available mons: https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/pokemon.shtmlMega abilities: https://serebii.net/pokemonchampions/megaabilities.shtmlResources: https://pikalytics.com/Quick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?No.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 quick coupons, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.Previous: >>59192207
Untill now i still dont know what the fuck >>59192988 anon is going on about
>>59192988>Two mega stonesI USED TO BE LIKE YOU...TWO OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM DEPENDING ON THE MATCHUP...TRUST ME AND JUST BUILD A META TEAM IF YOU WANT TO CLIMB LADDER
>tfw trying to teambuild but you're retardedit is suffering.
Shit Game
>>59193888It's true. I'd rather not bring my mega at all in some matchups than have two
>>59193916Copy meta squads, learn the game, and then experiment. Don't try to make Watchog work right out of the gate. Start learning what makes Pokemon and strategies good
>>59193932But I want to try to teambuild despite my retardation. If I don't then I'll never get to use Beedrill or Ceruledge or Umbreon.
WHEREWHERE IS COVERT CLOAK
>>59193942Nta but starting with other people's teams and understanding what makes a strong team viable is the best way to learn team building. Try a team out and see what you like about it and what you don't like, see what matchups you struggle against or do well against and make tweaks to your preferences.
>>59193954Prease andastando. Good items have to be removed or mega evolutions will not be used. Please look forward to buying more mega stones in the next battle pass with no good held items, thank you
Did you watch the Victory Road tourney?https://victoryroad.pro/vr-champions-arena/The top team engaged in wars of attrition to win using Milotic. It uses Coil to boost its accuracy+Def, threatens accurate hypnosis, recovers, and muddy waters.The hypnosis enables partner mons to pick up KOs on otherwise massive threats. Sleep powder Venusaur enables the same thing.The Top 4 and Finals matches lasted a very long time.
>>59193954I fucking despise ILCA with every fiber of my being
>>59194020Seems like a lot of work when you can just put icy wind on it
>>59194020Now a shit ton of people are running this BS, great meta
>>59194020>non-VGC people start playing without years of being indoctrinated in its meta>stall sees use againHere come more nerfs, matches lasting longer than 12 minutes is a nono
>>59194020>multiple countries doing a stall stratshamefur dispray
>>59194033A saw Shofu run into the coil Milotic shit, match felt like it lasted an hour lmfao
>>59193954Thankfully gone until we have open item lists.
>>59194024Those teams lost, can't argue with results.Milotic is really difficult for Charizard Y's counters to get rid off. It will just recover and coil to mitigate damage, throw incin on that team and suddenly you have an eternal Milotic that never leaves the field and always threatens 80-100% accurate hypnosis. Very oppressive.
>sleep powder>quiver dance>quiver dance>survive their wakeup attack with sash>hurricane/bug buzz>win againThere's 1000 ways around this but it still works every time. It's not even the best vivillon strat but it's certainly the funniest. did this shit as a goof in 2013 and it still works now. "Queen B the Kalos champion" puts a genuine smile on my face. Thank you champions for letting my favorite pokemon be part of wave 1.
>>59194038This is what happens when the number of good electric and grass types in a format is fucking zero, bulky waters run rampant over everything. Let Grass Floyd and Sus Mushroom back in the meta, suddenly “I sit around with Milotic all day” starts looking like “I put the toadstool to sleep by mistake and then die to Wood Hammer”. Hell Tapu Koko alone instantly bricks the strat just by existing.
>>59194051what countered this in normal vgc?
>>59194051Why does vgc not have sleep clause anyway?
>>59194033This is not something new people did it during Swsh
>>59194020Why don’t people just run taunt or encore to just shut this shit down. Also>coil miloticthank gamefreak for not including any powerful offensive electric types, that bitch is immortal. Most grass types are reserved for a defensive slot so that doesn’t work
>>59194056Yep, I knew this shitwas going to happen eventually
>>59194057Electric types. Rillaboom. For years it was tera.We have rotom-wash and uh...
>>59194060In SwSh you had to run it against Max Airstream Max Airstream Max Airstream though
What is the current strongest electric type in the game? Just in terms of raw damage output.
>>59194069On paper? Mega Ampharos
>>59194069Archaludon.
>>59194069I think Mega Ampharos
>>59194075>the best electric type offense in the game is a non-STAB move that relies on a weather condition that powers up what it’s meant to KOAt least we have Rotom Wash
>>59194069Rotom. Scarfed Solar Power Heliolisk sounds cool with a Zard pairing, but who is using that?
>>59193870I haven't bought a Pokemon game since Sun/Moon. Is it worth catching Pokemon in Pokemon Go and trying to trade them in Pokemon Home, or should I just buy one of the main games and trade what I can't catch? I was thinking of trying to catch and evolve them in Go but it looks like that takes forever.
>>59194073>>59194079I played with it all last week and was surprised by how good it felt into a lot of the meta. I'm not sure if it still would this week, but it was a pleasant surprise considering I've never seen anyone else using it.
>>59194020Did rain die out? Seems like it’s all sun + some sand/TR/tailwind?
>>59194065ENTER
Would mega venu be a decent answer to milotic? No one uses this fat fuck
>>59194083I’m currently doing this as an experiment (phone only, using Go, Home, and then Champions). I started the same day Champions released on Switch, basically (might have been a day or two before). My living dex is currently at 590 mons.Pokemon Go is helpful for some things, but it takes a long time to evolve mons in Go. It largely exists to pump fodder into Home, which is where the bulk of the work is done, on GTS.The pipeline is>catch Go filler dupes to grind evos to add to living dex (due to candy mechanics)>Go filler goes up on Wonder Trade to hopefully roll mons not in the living dex>wonder Trade duplicate mons get Wanted checked on GTS for mons not in the living dex or trade ups to FE/rare mons>if none are found, reroll back through Wonder Trade>save shinies to trade for legendariesDoing it with Go alone is nightmarish, and a lot of the current meta mons aren’t even IN Go yet (no Kingambit, no Basculegion, no Archaludon, etc)
How did a Basculegion outspeed my Aerodactyl? It was the first turn in a sandstorm, no quick claw or anything. Feels like he cheated somehow.
>>59194108Not enough offensive presence.I was actually planning using it for fake out, lightning rod utility before Champioks released, but there are basically no electric types to worry about.
>>59194114Oh nevermind, I forgot about scarf.
>second shot at master ball>enemy Sneasler hits Dire Claw sleepI'm not crying.
>>59194114Scarf bro.They all run it, they hit 214 speed with a jolly set. That's the number to beat.If you have a scarf user, make sure that its speed is like 144 to ensure you outspeed Basc.
>>59193870I think I’ve got most of the commonly used pokemon from GTS so far but what are some other decent things to gun for? Aside from Sneed, Incineroar, Kingambit, the teacup, Gengar, and the weather setters?
>>59194113>>59194083Also it helps a LOT if, like me, you have friends who play Go (and are just delighted that after years of needling about it you finally decided to start) because they can help carry you through Raids which will help you get powerful FE mons and Legendaries, which also have high value on GTS (if you can get 3 Groudon in a week, you won’t have a hard time flipping two of them into whatever meta pokes you want)
>>59194121I had some cunt hit me with THREE statuses off Dire Claw in a row. It was so retarded that he hit the same cunt twice for poison, so one of them didnt even count.
shit game lol
>>59194133My advice is to not worry about the current format and gun for Reg M-B, which is what us phone players will be starting at>all of the mons with a Z-A mega NOT currently in Champions>Pseudos and starters NOT currently in champions>Dozo, Tatsugiri, Gholdengo, Amoonguss, and other SV Reg H meta picks that aren’t currently in Champions>maybe some sublegendaries/paradox/UBs for the reg after M-B as well
While hunting for my shiny dragonite, I got shiny tatsugiri and a bagon. Do we know if mega tasugiri will be good? I already know Salamance will be good
>>59194150I’m leaning toward Dondozo+Giri+other mega being better than mega Tatsu but no way to know
>>59194142I forgot about the damn gold ghost, thanks. Amoonguss should be fine, it’s common in Go.
>>59194142>Dozo, Tatsugiri, Gholdengogod i fucking hope not, we don't need more S/V terrorists who ruined the game
>>59194134All my friends quit
>>59194133I still can’t t find one (1) garchomp in recruit
>>59194161I just realized we still don't know its ability in mega form, no?
>>59194167No, we’re doing great with Incineroar, Sneasler, E Floette and Milotic at 80% usage, no reason we should want a mon that’s immune to fake out, close combat, dire claw, and status moves to exist and shit out steel-type burst damage against an OP setup fairy.
>>59194194i mean i don't want those fuckers in the game either. but you technically already have that in aegislash who is for all intents and purposes stronger than gholdengo. gholdengo is just more balanced stat-wise, and has a busted-ass move.
was trying to transfer my floette from scarlet to pokemon home and then champions, but it won't let me. does it have to be lvl 50?
>>59194088Zard summoning weather by mega evolving is low key prefered since it is hard to interrupt without endangering your pelican/toed. Sand gets a pass because Ttar isn't terrified of switching and can do a slower mega evolution in response.
>>59194189Its mega is 100% going to be Commander because if it isn’t, you’ll have to contend with weird buggy interactions of megaing on the turn Dozo switches in disabling Commander.On the plus, that will mean you can run cheeky sets with Storm Drain Tatsugiri that can sit next to Dozo on the field drinking Surfs and then trigger Commander at-will.
>>59194167No tera to fix dozo.People will just carry haze on Milo.
>>59194201You shouldn’t be able to have a Floette (Eternal, I assume you mean?) in Scarlet
>>59194201Eternal Floette was first available in Legends ZA. ZA mons can't go to SV, it's a "gen 10" game.
>>59194201I wonder if regular Floette isn't allowed be used in Champions. I dunno if her evo is usable either. But no, mons don't have to be level 50.
>>59194200Aegis is good typing wise but Good as Gold is a BIG DEAL ability because it shuts down shit like hypnosis, will o wisp, and spore, so no they’re not the same>i mean i don't want those fuckers in the game eitherThis isn’t Smogon you can’t just ban everything good until only Zard, Meganium and Feraligatr are left. They already fucking banned everything, no more goddamn cuts for the love of god. Fix the balance by permitting more checks, not by cutting what’s strongest. SV Reg H was a healthier meta than we’ve ever seen, really. I don’t want to regressively cut back to the age of Every Team is CHALK because new mons are good.
>>59194201you can only get the fully evolved versions of mons, which in this case would be florges. floette-eternal is not the same as a regular floette.
>>59194194Grossss
Is it worth running Curse on THE WALL?Like, I know Iron Defense makes it a walking hydrogen bomb with body press, but one def boost already makes it tough as nails, and hit like a truck with it, but with the Atk boost its Heavy Slams are now also stronger.And with Trick Room up, It will just become faster.
Had my first draw game against a team of Mega Chimecho, Milotic, and Umbreon who went all in on increasing defense and recovery. I don't get how you can enjoy playing that way.
>>59194226>Reg H was a healthier metaNo, but it was fine. It was very tiring seeing a lot of the mons we see now dominating. Seeing Sneasler, Basc, Gholdengo, bara bros, Arch etc.We think things are worse now, but were they really?
>>59194247Did your opponent win?That's how.
>>59194254Reading's hard huhnot that anonmega chimecho's cool so I can see how wanting to make a team around making it impossible to remove could be fun
>Opponent confidently presses Hyper-voice with M-Gardy thinking Tailwind is enough to make it faster than my scarfed MeowscaradaGet throat-chopped.
>>59194244>ghourgeist uses trick or treat on aggron before the curse
>>59194247>I don't get how you can enjoy playing that way.By enjoying turtling and defensive play? I love playing Guile in Street Fighter for example.I'm gonna sit there like an asshole, and try to keep you out Sonic Boom. Adjusting boom strength to throw you off your game. Jump.Come on. You know you want to..I gravitate to tanks in MMOs too.So with that said, that teams sounds deilcious, is there a team preview or sheet?
>>59194279Mega Greninja, Chesnaught, Emboar, Feraligatr bros........
>>59194248Nothing dominated Reg H the way Sneasler dominates M-A. The highest usage rates for any mon in Reg H were about 30%, which are the same as the usage rates for top mons in Smogon OU (not that Smogon matters, but the point is even with every ban and house rule under the sun, that’s about as far as they can manage in terms of breaking up a centralized meta).Granted, Reg H had Tera, and Tera does a lot for “spreading the viability around” while Megas do the opposite, so it isn’t just as simple as “more mons means less centralization”. Not to mention the damage done by removing so many held items. But what we’re seeing here is absolutely 100% the net effect of what happens when a mon’s checks are removed from the meta. Cutting “OP” Reg H mons made the meta NARROWER because, even though those mons were common, their presence stopped these other mons from being omnipresent.I think it only crosses the line the other way again when you get into the Paradox formats and it starts being Flutter Flutter Flutter.IMO the right regs to run long term are going to be>all “ordinary” mons, Mega + Tera>single restricted + sublegend/paradox/UB, Mega + Z Move (+ Tera, maybe)>double restricted with mythicals, all mons legal, Mega + Tera + Z Move + Dynamaxand maybe also>Little Cup, no gimmicksI think that does a semi-decent job of equalizing the power level. I have my doubts that TPC will ever run parallel regs, which is a shame, but I’d like to see it.
>>59194278You know if you play doubles you can ACTUALLY tank, right? Redirector walls are a staple team archetype, everyone and their mom ran rage powder amoonguss or follow me indeedee.
>>59194278Nah, but Chimecho had Cosmic Power, Recover, Stored Power, and Flash Cannon if that helps.
Man i just played a stupid opponent who maxed out their defense with Coil on Milotic. I was running a sand team, I Brave Bird'd their Sneasler, Earthquaked their Incineroar and took out their 3rd mon. Their Milotic Muddy Water'd my team down but Corviknight survived with Excadrill out too. Time ran out and it was a draw. Is there no winning on a time out? Stuck in Ultra 2 hell.
So now that the dust has settled, how big do you feel the userbase is like? Just as a big? Smaller? A lot smaller? Have people kept playing? Or did they dip out after the novelty ran out? Do you think a lot of newbies stayed? Or did the game fail at attracting them and making them stay?
>>59194313It’s crazy to me that time-overs result in a draw rather than a “more mons left” calc but I guess that promotes some degenerate strats of its own. I know people used to run Moonlight on Lunala rather than Morning Sun, exclusively because the animation took longer which made it easier to timer stall.
>>59194313>Coil on MiloticThis shit is spreading like the plague
>>59194326Has anyone tried just using Flower Trick Meowscarada to bypass it?
>>59194326It's hilarious how they did everything in their power to try to cuck stall and yet because of how limited everything is now stall is actually viable for like the third time ever in VGC history.Bravo GF.
>>59194065Couldn't you use Meowscarada to bypass the defense boosts? But then you'd have to run it against Sun.
So this is the power of GF balancing...
>>59194323>>59194326>>59194334It was fucked too, my Garchomp crit'd on an Earthquake but was only able to knock it down to 7%. Then it used Recover in the same turn. This was the hardest wall I've seen yet though in hindsight I should've taken it out when it was setting up like that. I just wanted to kill the Sneedler and Inceleroar in 1 hit when I saw my chance. Corviknight's been a champ on my sand team
How do I stop being awful at singles? I'm still retaining at UB2. At least I still get VPs, but damn, it's hard losing to wall or sub stall
>>59194112If you make Venasaur for bulk, it won’t have the damage to outmatch Melotic.If you make Venasaur for attack, it won’t have the bulk to outmatch Melotic.
How do you counter a lead of tailwind setter + Sneasler when you see it in team preview? Even if you counter with your own tailwind settler and Sneasler, it seems like it's just a coin toss combined with a guessing game.
>>59194376Trick Room and or the giraffe
>>59194376Trick room.
>>59194376Is the tailwind setter just really fast like Aero or is it priority with Whims?
>>59194376Trick room + psychic attack.We need psyspam back so bad, Sneasler should be shitting itself over trick room psychic terrain expanding force
>>59194259>mega chimecho's cool so I can see how wanting to make a team around making it impossible to remove could be funIt really is fun managing to get two or three Cosmic Powers off so even SE hits struggle to chunk it and it really dgaf about Fake out while in turn hitting pretty damn hard with Stored Power. Problem is, like some of the other megas, it needs time to set up its bullshit and while it has a really good lineup of resistances and a ground immunity, it's only got base 75 HP so 65 HP so many things can get a hit or two in as it's setting up.
>>59194194>Charizard is omnipresent at all elos and tournament play>mofuggin Floette is unfair muh scarfchomp…
The moment I hit Master Ball I go hard trick-room leading with the giraffe every time, I don't want to have to think around turn 1 fake out anymore.
>>59194088I just made Ultraball running:>lead off Drizzle Peliper(quick claw)/Stamina Archuludon (speed scarf)>M-Feraligator and Dragapult/Aromastise for swap ins.
>>59194393Zard has 20% usage or less, on the other hand the support mon pools are really limited so we have very centralized mons like Sneasler.
>>59194384Either. I tried using Sinistcha but it was kind of doomed against sun teams, maybe I need to splash Farigiraf. I feel like it's kind of bad against Incin and Kingambit, though. I'm new to competitive Pokemon so I don't really know how to play or build around a trick room option yet. It feels like all the power is in the hands of the person running sun because the core they need to be effective is so small.
>>59194404Zard is literally everywhere dude you’re blind, people in the tournaments don’t even have Floette like at all
>>59194405Lets pretend it's whims + sneasler and you don't like the TR counterplay.You lead your fake out and stop tailwind T1, your partner mon needs to be a massive threat capable of KOing 1 or both of your opponents mons like Basc. Sure, they could stop your fakeout with a faster one but they lose Sneasler.Now your opponent has to decide whether Tailwind T1 provides enough value to offset the loss of a key support piece.Make your opponent choose and then deal with the consequences of tailwind T2. Tailwind going up should seldom seal your fate.
>>59194415*everywhere in Bo3 tournaments that you aren't participating in.Overrepresentation at the top doesn't mean it's everywhere. Munchstats has Zard at 14-20% usage.
>>59194282Are defensive megas ever good?
>>59194425Aggron is, but only because being defensive makes it more offensive
Just reached Great Ball tier. What am I in for?
>>59194376Lead with something Sneasler can't reliably kill and just start spamming spread moves. Unless the tailwind setter is Aero it likely won't have much damage output, so they'll either have to swap out and take a bunch of damage from both your pokemon, or do nothing and slowly die, wasting tailwind. Then if they're able to safely bring out their main damage dealer just stall the last turn or 2 with protect.
>>59194438Sneasler, Incineror, Basculegion over and over.Oh and thats forever by the way
are we vibin with the return of no item talon
>>59194444Digits don't lie, Welcome to Hell
I love Umbreon
>>59194376I lead Protect + Dual Wingbeat Whimsicott Aerodactyl Their dumb ass Sneasler will try to Fake Out Whims as they use their own to set Tailwind, as Aerodactyl picks off both Pokémon as my Whims sets OUR Tailwind turn 2
Mega floette still good, one tourney isnt the end all be all. A mega zard x won lmao you’re gonna tell me that dude is broken?
>>59194458>make a tank>give it literally no utilityi dont get it. If they want vgc to be better look at your 3 decades worth of pokemon and give them atleast one option.Some pokemon cant even humor being an off meta pick.
>>59194357Don't crits bypass defense boosts?
>>59194316It's still early on, but it seems to me that the user base is pretty large and even if most people drop it I expect it'll maintain enough of a user base to keep it up and running for a long time. It'll get a lot of new players when gen 10 comes out.
What's the current best answer to the Coil Milotic?I need to know what to look out for when I'm running it :^)
Reminder to unironically run wide guard, seriously its a free win. I am dogshit at vgc and barely have any exp, but i got masterball 3 just because people never anticipate a wide guard
>>59194488Encore/taunt ruins it automatically. I would say run an offensive grass or electric type but we don’t have access to those atm.
>>59194424>aieeeee Floette beats shittersWho tf cares. Floette doesn’t even have any depth to its moveset to benefit from Bo1 with surprise bullshit
>>59194358Baton pass strats
>>59194460>lead whimsi aero>turn 1 encore from whimsi and tailwind from aeroI bet that would fish some ragequits
>>59194479Yeah that's why it was terrible that it only got it down to 7%, that would've been the winning hit right there but it used Recover before my other Mon could finish it off
>>59194083Literally just buy the 7 dollar starter pack and you’ll have everything you need within a week of playing.
>>59194581Is the starter pack the one that gives a gorrillion box space?
>>59194592No that's the 50 bucks yearly sub
My bro is garbage, isn't it. sigh...
>>59194599goddammit this is really how they’re going to fleece people isn’t it
>>59194616...........I forgot it was even the game I thought it was cut
>>59194623The subscription thing's value is atrocious, that's a easy skip.
>>59194495Not many mons that get wide guard can fit on my team, I'd absolutely run it otherwise because rock slide is bullshit.>>59194462Zard X got silver, lost to Y. The masculine mega evo.
>>59194592Does 50 extra box space count as a gorrillion? Better then nothing I guess.
>>59194552I did run Encore/Tailwind on Whimsicott for awhile, but Farigaraf and Dark types block it regularly enough that I switched to Moonblast/Protect/Tailwind/Helping Hand Protect usually buys enough time that Encore wouldve bought, and Helping Hand helps my nukes launch
Made it to Master Ball, mostly to get the added box space since I ran out today. 50 box spaces might be enough but it doesn't feel like it.
>>59194643I run Sunny Day on whims, but there's lots of times I wish it had protect.
>>59194652I run Torkoal AND Zard Y
>>59194650Nah, 50 is annoying, pay up piggy, it's only 7 dollars.
>>59194650It’s definitely not lol, the game is basically 7 dollars purely because of the box shenanigans
>>59194650You also have the 30 from home, right?
That Coiled Milotic is a fucking menace. You pop even one of those Coils and it all comes crumbling down for the opponent.
>>59194673I refuse, I'll make it work. I recently bought Scarlet partly to have a way to store and catch mons for Champions, I haven't bought a game since X. Any mons I can't get in Scarlet I've been trading for on Home.
>>59194700>Puts your ENTIRE team to sleepJesus Christ
I started the game yesterday, still in Pokeball rank. I've been doing 3v3s with a Memento Whimsicott to set up a DDance Charizard X. Any recommendations or tips you guys have? I haven't really paid much attention to comp since Gen 7.
ok so if i wanna make gallade work what do i even do. Its mega is so awkward, so i even use it?
>>59194722trick room, wide guard, psycho cut, sacred blade was it's standard set in SV
>>59194722Are you using it in singles or doubles?>>59194706I don't have advice but how well does the memento set up work out for you?
Some jap got 6th on the singles ladder with Mega Pidgeot.
>>59194700Is it just spamming Hypnosis? Is it 100% accurate after 1 coil or something?
>>59194745>I don't have advice but how well does the memento set up work out for you?It works decently well, though I'm still low ladder. Whimsicott has a Focus Sash so I can afford to attack first before using Memento if I can get away with it. Nearly lost to a M.Dragonite because of Multiscale though so Charizard X isn't a guaranteed win. My last party member is a Destiny Bond Gengar mostly just to fill space, there's probably something better.
>>59194765100% accurate after 2, but you're so bulky after 1 that your Muddy Water puts them under pressure to switch out, which gives you to time to pop the second coil and then Hypnosis wins the game
>>5919476580% accurate after 1 coil and 100% after 2.Milotic is a menace that can recover lots of damage and you'll struggle to ever get it as low afterwards while its partner is free to dish out massive damage if you ignore that.
>>591947652 coils for 100% hypnosis, 1 gives muddy water and icy wind 100%. It’s also just bulky as hell and gets a boost whenever a stat is lowered which is why any milotic is good now.
I miss landorus
>>59194581The problem is I did that, built my homebrew team, and it's not cutting it in Ultra Ball anymore but I'm out of quick tokens and only have about 10k tickets. I'm grinding to get the type affinity ticket I need in singles at least.
>>59194571I read that as you only dropped it 7% it makes more sense now. Coil always has been ridiculous with milotic having hypnosis
>>59194402>Aromastiseexplain
I miss terrains...
My Satan strategy in Swsh was to have Meowstick skill swap prankster onto the coil Milotic set
>>59194798*10k vp
>>59194820>
>>59194820Depends on who's setting it.
>>59194827I fucking hate this thing.
Friend wants me to give him some stuff to start in champions. He has zero comp experience, what’s an ok, straight forwardish team that will help him learn fundamentals rather than rockslide spam or require a bit of a priori knowledge to play competently?
>>59194827do you think they'll use the old animation or the gen 9 one?>>59194836me
>>59194849Any team with Charizard Y + Venusaur.
>>59194700I literally just double-edge it asap.I just started treating it like the bigger threat and always have another dd on the back if my main one goes down.
>>59194775You probably need something with priorityto pick of stragglers in case charizard goes down. Also consider having a special attacker instead with different coverage in case you think the zard will get walled otherwise (i.e., lead hippowdon or glimmora seems like it would suck for you)
>>59194853If I do that, I kind of want to make sure venu doesn’t have sleep powder because that’s going to be a crutch, but maybe
>>59194849Mega Aggron iron defense + butt smash with Whimsicott prankster tailwind
>>59194873It'll be a good way to teach him about prio when he gets hit with his first Prankster Rain Dance tbf
I got a Kommo-o from the GTS that it's not letting me transfer to Champions. Does that mean it was genned and it passed the Home test but not Champions?
>>59194879lol>>59194874That might be a good pick
>>59194849Aerodactyl and sneasler got my 0iq friend to masterball in 2 days.
>>59194883Might be a weird question but are you sure it's not a Hakamo-o?
>>59194745>>59194736Im using it in dubs. Its just awkward, inner focus is technically a good ability but you lose sharpness. This pokemons design feels so messy since gallade got a new ability but its mega retains the old one
>>59194895Use the non-mega. The mega is a total meme now that it didn't get sharpness.
>>59194820I miss the tapus
>>59194890No, it's a Kommo-o, it says it was met in Galar Region on 12/15/2019, it looks legit to me, but idk.
>>59194898Inner focus is not all that bad tho right? Intimidate immunity and cant get faked out
>>59194884Mega Aggron and Whimsicott got me up to Ultraball and hooked me so I would recommend it
>>59194650>not just paying for a year of membership and never having to think about storage space everi guess it makes more sense for me to do it since i actually go to regionals and stuff, so it's a long-term investment for me.
>>59194920Issue is Gallade has it backwards. You'd much rather start off with Inner Focus to prevent Intimidate then go into Sharpness after you mega. Instead you start off with Sharpness, eat an Intimidate, then mega evolve to lose even more damage.
>>59194887What team?
Kinda funny playing ultra ball 1-2 and seeing people with full badges and a cool title and you have none of that yet
>losing to some dumb faggot just clicking buttons on aegislashI keep expecting this inbred retarded nigger to kings shield but nope, just keeps clicking fucking buttons until I FINALLY FUCKING GO TO ATTACK IT, YOU ARE A GIGANIGGER WITH A FUCKING CRUTCHMON FOR FAGGOTSFUCK YOU
is this game good
I'd take fucking ghouldeno any day of the fucking week over aegislash, I never missed this faggot fucking sword. Gholdeno doesn't fuck you for trying to attack it and just sit there like a little fucking nigger going "ohhhh, when am I gonna kings shield so you lose stats for simply attacking me oooooh I'm such a huge black fucking nigger dick of a pokemon ooooooh"
I present to you guystiny tar
>>59194941I played sneasler, aero (mega), bascu, pelliper, garchomp, rotom wash. 0 iq brainlet team and my friend got into masterball without knowing type match ups.
>>59194958Not for your tension no.
>>59194927Yeah for a regional player it makes sense, and $7 isn't much in the grand scheme of things, Champions is fun enough to deserve $7, but it does feel a bit annoying to have to buy 50 box spaces. I guess that's why they call it free to start.
>>59194956>>59194963Imagine seething this hard over giga nerfed Aegislash
On a win streak... I just know I'm going to get some sweat soon...
>>59194958I mean, it's purely competitive Pokemon. If you enjoy that you'll like this. It's the gacha elements that might annoy you, though I think the game can be generous with how much vp it gives you.
>>59194616They are really scared of a Drizzle Mega
>>59194982Fuck you mouthbreathing carried-ass brown nigger subhuman, nerfed fucking how? It got a brand new 110BP fucking move. It's just the ghost version of kingambit where it fucking resists everything except worse because you have to play a fucking guessing game as to whether or not your opponent is going to just spam poltergiest like a fucking retard or actually predict you to KO it. It's a fucking pokemon that benefits you, the mentally challenged subhuman, for just clicking strong move while your opponent has to figure out whether or not you're a fucking retard. If you were sitting directly across from me I could see your drooling, mentally challenged ass and automatically figure out that you're just going to click shiny button like a fucking pavement ape, but thankfully this is online, and I don't have to breathe the same oxygen you do, you mouthbreathing, shit-eating fucking caveman.
For Sand enjoyers, what do you run to deal with physical walls like Archaludon?
>>59194991the gacha elements are completely irrelevant and are bypassed by playing any of the actual games (or by bullying your niggercattle friends who consumed the slop)
>>59194958ehhh
>>59195011I use a scarf'd Hydreigon with Draco Meteor, Earth Power, Fire Blast, and Dark Pulse.Alternatively I also have a Mega Glimmora with Earth Power
>>59195011I mean unless you manage to get Arch set up, Excadrill should basically delete it on it's own.
>>59195011With Arch specifically, any Special attacker can fuck it and fuck it hardIf you're really desperate, Soft Sand Earth Power should put you at ease
when does the game get fun? where's the story?
>>591949904-win streak... It's coming soon...
>>59194970Aero really making its mark huh?
>>59195033>muh storyread a book, faggot
>>59195033If you don't like nothing-but-battling or the vgc format, never. The story is you show up to a gym and you're climbing the ranks and you're so good at battling, congrats on ranking up. That's it.
>>59195042>>59195043wow the whole game is just battling, something you can also do in the other games, and can also do for free online? no wonder the game is getting such low scores
Whyd they make all the new megas so mediocre.
>>59195033Thats the baffling thingThere IS a story that seems to unlock as you hit each tier, but Master is ELO based and Champion seems exclusive to top players, so the fact that story is implemented in this way is fucking baffling as the vast majority of players won't see it
>>59195052They don't playtest ts bruh
>>59195050>for freePokemon players sure love to use this phrase despite having to pay costs>sac this pokemon so you can get another in 'for free'>buy a game and an online subscription so you can play this mode 'for free'
>>59195052they could buff them. hope we get balance patches often
>>59195058I just dont get the whole meme of pushing pokemon as an esports but new megas suck. Im not asking for fanfic tiers of broken, but something viable atleast. Like 10 years later zard y scizor ttar all seem to still be just as good as they used to be.
>>59195066how much is smogon?
I can't remember if I posted this in here, but this is a really fun lead
>>59195056>congrats you hit rank X, here's a storage extensionThat's not a story.
>>59195085Its really really light story where they keep dangling the brown woman in front of you like fighting her is supposed to be important, but again, its minimal and nobody is gonna see it, making it all the more confusing that its there at all
>>59195073they couldnt even get this game to run above 30 fps or have more than one arena. balance is lower priority than that
>>59195083Free, but becoming a Smogfag means you lose your soul.
>>59195052Mega Flo and Phox are the best megas right now.
>>59195115Wrong blastoise is the best
>>59195066You don't even know whether this game requires an online sub or not and here you are claiming it isn't free. Keep seething, fucking moron
>>59195084I need to try Sableye, he's my favorite Hoenn mon, and I think it's great he's viable. Do you recommend the moves you picked for your Sableye? There's a ton of good options.
>>59195156For Singles, definitely The only thing that stutters him is Dark types and MimikyuMimikyu will always require two hits to remove, so while burning it sets up your next guy, the most Sableye can do alone is break the Disguise with Metal Burst and either switch or just take one for the team to send in your next guy safely
>you lost an easy game because of a random rock slide 5 turns earlierwow
>>59195052Honestly I’m more surprised they all aren’t broken as all hell.
>>59195084I want to try Sableye for doubles but I really don’t know where to put him. I just want to Quash things.
What are some off meta viable megas? I wanna climb with a quirky team that has atleast one niche pick.
Do you guys find singles or doubles more fun?
>>59195246For when I want to think: doublesFor when I want to relax: random battles > doubles > singles
>>59195246Doubles is way more exciting, singles might as well not exist as far as I'm concerned.
>>59195246I'd say singles but I prefer 6v6 over 3v3. At least it's a good method to farm vp quickly I guess. Doubles is fun too, I play a mix of both when I play
FUCK ALL SABLEYE USERSthat is all
>>59195242For doubles I’ve been using Mega Ttar to disrupt weather, Mega Lucario as a counterpick to things like Mega Flo and Archie, and Mega Steelix for Wide Guard on a Trick Room team. For singles I use Mega Gyarados to dominate after a Moxie boost or two.
>>59195246Doubles is mentally taxing and i play only a few games a day. Singles is for fun, i play it to chill or just clear out dailies.
>>59195246Singles because I'm a sicko who ran DDance Weakness policy Dragonite back in gen 6
Is alolan ninetales worth anything in doubles or singles? I've neglected doubles for a while but it has been a dissapointment in the latter.
>bulky Dragonite with dragon tail>scarfed Kleavor>kill Charizard by pushing it in and outWhy wouldn’t this work?
>>59195000This is the kind of person who calls Sucker Punch Kingambit a “50/50”.Tip: don’t use a contact move, King’s Shield is literally just Protect. Aegislash is always running slow speed on purpose, you outspeed the hell out of it by design. Get skill diffed, idiot, not the mon’s fault you have zero ability to read your opponent or play around their options.
>>59195322it would work but all you need is garchomp to counter zard
>>59195304Yes, it’s sometimes very good and other times just good on certain teams in doubles
>>59195304It's much weaker than it was in SV because of all the weather wars in this format.
I understand having to earn badges, but damn if the "icons" arent severely lackingAt least let us use the various Pokeball deisgns as icons or something
>>59195322I will say this: now that the influx of new blood has rediscovered stall, I am kind of waiting for this meta to figure out entry hazard spam, since it’s something VGC completely ignored for generations. I don’t think it will be enough to have rapid spinner become a role or anything, but it’s crazy to me that “50% HP on a double weak mon just for switching” is something VGC has just ignored.
>>59195326>get skill diffednigger, the faggot just pushed buttons, there's literally no fucking skill. Keep defending your fag sword for retards, you scumbag inbred piece of nigger shit.
>>59195326also "hurr don't use contact move" no fucking shit, you porchmonkey. He sat there and just clicked fucking poltergiest in the face of shit that knocks his bitch ass out if he doesn't king shield because i lost to a fucking moron that doesn't think or even attempt to predict what I'm going to do.
>>59193870Mega Meganium is the most based Pokemon in Rain teamsHaving access to a Base 100 Fire Move in Rain with no downsides should not be allowed, bros.
I think support Blastoise is kinda good, at least if you have enough dignity to not use incineror
>>59195052Gen 6 megas were overpowered as balls so they were more conservative this time without making nerfs/concessions to old megas
They should have added a pokemon stadium/battle tower/frontier single player or coop mode....
>>59195424>tfw no battle factory
Just parting shot the aegislash, like nigga just say mean words to it.
>>59195246I don't play singles.Doubles is stressful, I can only stomach 3-5 games an evening.
>>59195246I wasn't a doubles believer but BSS isn't as fun. You can lose at team select.
>being behind a substitute doesn't protect from EncoreThat's one lesson learned.
>>59195322I've killed many of Zard Y's in BSS with Stealth Rocks into Dragon Tail
>>59195360I was shitposting about Kleavor because it’ll explode in doubles but Hisui Samurott is actually decent as it threatens both kingsgambit and basculegion
>>59195277>t. Venusaur
Trying to decide on my last move slot for my runerigas, between curse and memento.Which one is the generally most effective suicide button? Which one would you least want your mega to get hit by?
im enjoying vgc but it feels like the pool of viable pokemon is way lower than you’d think. Like 200 pokemon or something and at best your team has 1 maybe 2 off meta slots. Lots of teams tend to share the exact same pokemon because there tends to not be alternatives. Like if you want incineroar, a defensive pivot that lowers damage you have no other options really. Sneasler is a league in its own too, fast fighting type that bodies fairies.
>>59195451Isn’t VGC always incredibly constrained?
>>59195322they lead hippo and you lose
>>59195454Im a casual but it seems like your option of pokemon are samey but the movesets vary alot. Like today i lost several times to milotic and was like, i’ll get a powerful offensive electric type to add to my time, and there was genuinely no options.
>>59195451>Like if you want incineroar, a defensive pivot that lowers damage you have no other options reallyThere hasn't been other options for that since incineror got intimidate. Even legendaries dont do that awful cats job as well is it does.The pre incineror mons who did that like scrafty and hitmontop have been grossly outclassed by it for years
Are there any resources out there for BSS? Looking for sets and cores.
>>59195462The era of the weed cat has come.
>>59194616Mega Drampa? It's pretty good.
>>59194753Post team. I'm of the opinion Mega-Pidge is shit tier but I'd love to be proven wrong.
>>59195482It was from some japanese streamer. He would try to save Pidgeot as his last mon since No Guard STAB Hyper Beam was really strong at finishing off the game.
>>59195463>The pre incineror mons who did that like scrafty and hitmontopI love both of those mons but we can stop pretending pre-Incin was anything but Lando T spamming U-Turn
What is the single best counter to Mega Floette? I dont care about any other matchup. What kills that faggot thing dead in one hit every time guaranteed?
>>59195548Least lando is a legendary. Incin still does it better now anyway because of parting shot
>>59195562Sneasler and physical Aegislash
>>59195582It’s a sublegendary, sadly they will never have the decency to make them legal only in restricted formats (not that they should count as your restricted, of course)
>>59195582What’s interesting is IF Arcanine got any pivoting move, I think it could actually take some of Incin’s thunder, since it has access to snarl which is a viable sidegrade to parting shot
>recover>coil>hypnosis >muddy waterThis is the optimal Milotic move set? What about the EV spread?
>>59195645I prefer the icy wind one
>>59195623The Arcanines and the BVLLS are all viable and have reasons to pick them parting shot and fake out is what sets Incineroar apart
Holy moly I can't believe I wasn't playing zard all this time. Was so easy to get master ball with him. Guessing ill have to swap to anti-zard now in master ball.
>>59194883An update to this, I used the GTS Kommo-o to make some eggs, and leveled one of them up into a Kommo-o, which was accepted by Champions, but after I did that the original Kommo-o was accepted too. I think maybe putting him in Scarlet and then back into Home might've done it, but idk.
>>59195562Sneasler + charizard is usually enough to shut it down. Iron head + ghost mons are also very good against it.
>>59195451>Like 200 pokemon or something and at best your team has 1 maybe 2 off meta slots.False
>>59195645I don't know about optimal but it is hilarious to play. You can wall people pretty hard with this setup. The guy who won the tournament had 31/0/21/1/12/1
Any fun team recs.Sweating for elo isn't good for my health.So I just want to have fun playing a random team.
>>59195722I will not elaborate any further.
Are there any items you could see them never bringing back? Or maybe ones they'll nerf if they do.
>>59194058Because normally sleep isn't an issue. They took out Goggles and Electric Terrain, which were the two big counters to it so it's doing really well right now.
Wide Guard Pelipper is insane. I have no idea why nobody seems to run this shit. It's just an autowin against so many teams.
>>59195750Probably just the shitty ones that nobody used anyway like Absorb Bulb.I doubt they will gatekeep actual good held items unless they've decided to do away with choice band, specs, and life orb permanently so the gimmick items like mega stones and z moves are stronger.
>>59195773had a guy pull that on my choice scartfed ttar rockslide. still beat him though because he kept doing that and it meant i could focus on his other mons.
oh no. i've fallen in love with mega scizor.
There genuinely isn't an answer in the game for that Milotic setup lol
>>59195808>Meowscarada>Whimsicott>anyone with Haze or Misty Terrain
>>59195808Just kill the fish
>>59195808Taunt. It's actually been odd how little Taunt has been on the ladder during the climb. I think I saw it pop up once all the way up to Master.
>>59195817What does Whims do?
>>59195836Prankster Encore.
>>59195836Taunt, Encore, Misty TerrainTake your pick of things that shut down Coil Milotic
>>59195828Someone mentioned Aerodactyl with taunt, rock blast, and dual wingbeat in the last thread, I assume the last move is protect. I'd like to try it, but I'd have to drop tailwind.
Who started this coil milotic trend?
>>59195848a jap in a tourney
>>59195848Hyungwoo Shin
>>59194183>finally found garchomp>great ball
>>59195869Wow lucky perfect color matching
>>59195848Idk but it's been free wins
>have a new team idea>have to spend hours shiny hunting the mon in Scarlet for a funny titleIt hurts to be autistic
>>59195848>coil milotic>one shot it with electro shot archaludon
Is the orange dog any good? Is setting up rocks its only role?
>>59195373It is really rough, I ran into one yesterday that stopped my win streak dead. I didn't know what mega sol did so I thought it was safe to set up in its face with Scizor
>>59195908>I didn't know what mega sol didtales from great ball
>>59195848It's been niche in vgc. I remember it in swsh and sv. It's always garbage but on the ladder it's impossible to tell what the opponent has for moves. Even at 1 coil it gets dangerous
>>59195808Rotom. Choice Scarf. Trick. Done.
>>59195943It won an open team list tournament.
I've been using mega dnite to deal with these archaludons but I've realized as I've gotten close to master rank that my team is too rockslide weak. What another good fuck you special attacking mega that cucks archaludon
>>59195926I'm ultra ball rank 1 tyvm
>>59195966Close combat loppuny one shotted my max hp archaludon
>>59195966Gardevoir gets aura sphere/vacuum wave and hyper voice hits it hard despite being neutral but also doesn’t like rocks. Mega Lucario if you want it dead at any cost. But Archaludon is dying out
God Singles is so much more fucking draining than doublesDo you guys see Charizard more in Doubles, cuz I seldom to never brought mine, but I'm bringing it constantly in Singles and getting walled out by fucking Dragons and other ZardsMaybe I should start running Weavile with Triple Axel
>Primarina cirts my +2 espeonI want to request this nigger's address
>>59195979Singles is actually more annoying for me since there are some stalls that require you to bring a certain check or else you are fucking screwed
>>59195725What good with M-Meowstic outside of being a W reference?
so does prankster just not fucking work sometimes or what explain to me how sneasler just outspeeds prankster will o wisp
>>59196002Did it use Fake Out?
>>59196004NO
>>59196006What did it use? Elaborate the exact situation.
>>59195836See you use any non-attack move, and you're doomed to repeat that until you switch out. Those pixies are the worstt. one pixie user
>>59196002Fake Out is +3 priority, Prankster is +1 priority. >>59196006I'm not sure what other priority moves Sneasler has but you should get familiar with the concept.
I fucking hate Yawn in singles. Literally reminds me of Battle Maison in XY>oh you switched? yawn>again? yawn
>>59196013>Feint>Quick Attack>Quick Guard>Upper Hand>Vacuum Wave
>>59196007they lead with chomp sneasler, i lead with prim sableyei decide to burn the chomp and protect primthey dire claw crit sableye xD, burn didnt go first???im bad but this is real bullshit
>>591960282 possibilities. The most likely is that Willowisp went off and simply missed, and you looked away for a second and didn't read that message.The other possibility is that your Sableye doesn't have Prankster
>>59196028Are you sure your Sableye has Prankster?
>>59196028Sableye or mega-Sableye?
>>59196028Quick claw proc? Seems unlikely on Sneasler but who knows
>>59196036i was paying attention, it simply did not use the move>>59196037yes
Moments like these is why I wish Champions has a replay function. Considering they have done that since XY, surely it's not that hard to implement?
>lost, because I got 3 consecutive rock slide flinches.
win lose win lose win lose win lose win lose win lose how do they do it
>>59196042Quick claw doesn't actually increase priority it just makes you go first in your priority bracket
>opponent uses rage powder against my meowscarada>doesn't switch his basculegion either and I kill it for free>2000 eloEven if I give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't know I'm still immune for the turn when the Protean switch happens, I was so obviously using a Grass move anyway. What did he think was going to happen?
>>59196028You're simply not paying attention or lying.
>>59196092Grass having blanket powder immunity isn't common knowledge to normies, relax
>>59194020LOL, I was playing coil milotic as a meme last week
>>59194057Genies of healthy meta. Say "Thank you genies" right now and MAYBE game freak will consider adding them next year.
Legit how do you deal with Yawn spam? It's annoying as fuck
>>59196129Genuinely can't understand how you can lose to Yawn spam. Sleep Powder Vivillon spam I would understand but Yawn?
>>59196133So what's the trick? You switch out to another pokemon only for them to yawn again?
>>59194244I run curse on mineturn 1 is oranguru trick room, aggron cursethen I just curse whenever I think the opponent will protectafter 2 curses it becomes really tough for any physical attacker to take you out, even if trick room expires
>>59195725>no scarfed HArcanine + Farigiraf helping handWeak
Where are the good electric types? Is Rotom Wash just the best one.
where are the features
>>59196211Rotom Heat is considerable for its resistance to Fairy and Ice type too. But yeah, you're out of luck if you want dedicated Electric type
I reached 1900 elo.Can I say I'm decent at the game now?
>>59196240no, u cheat
>>59196129lum berry, substitute, taunt, insomnia, magic bouncetake your pick
Jesus fucking Christ, Hippowdom is fucking ridiculous I hit it with a 5 hit Icicile Spear with Weavile and it did fuck all Is Giga Drain Modest Venusaur enough to deal with Hippo or what?
>>59196211Kinda.And to be fair, Rotom-Wash saw usage in XY mega format anyways. Trick, WilloWisp, great bulk and typing, middling but servicable stab for a support mon.Alternatively you can do Mega Magnetric if you want to spam thunderbolt and die to a light breeze. Intimidate as a mega ability is also a joke.
>>59196211I'm going to start running scarfed solar power Heliolisk. We'll see how this goes.
>>59196287XY was Smogonbird era so that Water/Electric was very usefulEven my Lanturn was great that format
>>59196240honestly yeah, even moreso if you use an offmeta team
Reached Master Rank in singles, now I'm challenging doubles. Pokemon fun :)
how do they make money with this shit game theres like nothing to buy.
>>59196322All they need is for people to buy the pass, membership, and starter pack
>>59196306I used basculegion, archaludon pelipper and sneasler rain team which are meta as hell.Though in my defence this is the first time I'm playing comp.I do enjoy watching comp videos so it's not like I went in completely blind.
>>59196318stop having fun >=(
>get fucking rock slide flinched three times into miss draco meteor for the loss suck my fucking dick you braindead retarded nigger
>>59196318How do you get past UB? I am getting walled by literal stall teams and I don't have Primarina to shout through the sub
>>59196344If you're up there you already have what you need. You just gotta sit down and grind ladder until you rank up
Newish player reportMy bf picked 6 random pokemon from my boxes (he doesn't know shit about pokemon) and ive exclusively been playing with this teamCurrently in doubles master rank, 1750 rating>emolga>ditto>morpeko>male meowstic (mega)>mimikyu>whimsicottGoal right now is reaching 1900 rating without changing any of them, but after that I think i'll switch out emolga for something with wide guardpic related, my hero
Imagine using mons lower than A tier.
>>59196322To this day we are still not too sure. I dont mind if they just wanna jew us on the cosmetics.Perhaps they hope everyone is as retarded as this anon and just assumes the ranch is the best place to get mons.>>59192775>>59192810>>59192864>>59192988Alternatively, maybe they think Champions is just a vehicle to drive mainline sales, like some anon bought PLA recently.
>>59196092It just sounds like he forgot. It's normal in a game with so many niche interactions
>>59196211Mega Manetric, it's base form has lightning rod to cheese Archaludon too.Volt switch, overheat, snarl, and intimidate.
>>59196360gay
Gentlemen, I am pleased to inform you that I have achieved the title of Garbodor Admirer.Boy it sure is easy to rack up wins in Casual. I didn't even train it and I got a six win streak.
>>59196404>farming cheevos in casual matchesYou did not beat the game
>>59196092I tried to use 3 different priority moves against farigarif today, i felt like the stupidest nigger on earth. Masterball btw.
>>59196322There will always be the impatient people who bought everything on day 1, including the annual membership. Hell, some would actually think you need to pay before you can even enjoy the game
>>59196438studies show racists are notoriously low iq so thats to be expected
I got to masterball 3, vgc is exhausting but i enjoy it. Is there only one format? or is it like a card game where shit gets banned due to usage. I am having fun but so much pokemon feel really useless, or at best you get those teams with 1 fancy off meta pick and that's it the rest is super standard. I managed to use mega lucario but I don't think i can do it anymore, he's obviously not good enough for someone my skill level. Like i'm baffled those gen 5 apes made in, like why? they're useless and there's no "for fun" mode or restricted format where they can get use. It's a noob trap to make people waste vp.>ummm what if that's their favorite pokemonthe elemental monkeys are no ones favorite stop
>>59196483There are rotating formats where different mons are allowed in the main games. We really don't know if there's going to be substantial or outright "weird" special formats for this game, though. Otherwise, your best bet for lower powerlevel metas are things like custom tournaments and draft leagues which are community ran stuff.
>>59196490I hope pokemon embraces weird shit. I know smogon gets a lot of shit and it has format bloat, but it is good for when you're just bored and want to fuck around. I see the usage stats for some pokemon and it just seems too high.
pcg tournament when?
>>59196500We're waiting for the Monotype Tournament.
>opponent's Milotic used Muddy Water>triggers acc drop on my Corviknight which Mirror Armors it back>Milotic's Attack and SpAtk sharply rose!>sweeps meDamn, I was outplayed.
>>59196503when is that? im only seeing references to it, not any concrete plans>>59189222 >>59167137>>59167123>>59149381 cant wait to get booty blasted with my mono bug team
>>59196511Whenever Monoguy(the tournament runner) gets off his ass. Hopefully soon.
man I sure love how I always miss poltergiest but also get rock slide double flinched three times that's so cool
Damn, I feel so trolled when Leech Seed doesn't work against Grass type. Those special type immunity is something
Mega-crabIncineroarGiraffeMatchaKinggambitSneaslerIs this a good trick room team?I mostly wanna play it for mega crab
>>59196556leech seed got nerfed for no reason, drop the move bro.
>>59196566>>59196556leech seed is for singles
>>59196566It didn't get nerfed, the in game description is a display bug
has anyone tried to bring hacked shit into champions yet? if so do you get raped by magical voodoo hack checks or nah. I sold my copy of za, which is insane because I actually was very close to doing all the post game content too.
>Glaceon Freeze Dries a Milotic to death while dodging every attack sent its way>Battle ends with my Glaceon at full HPI love bullying people with Glaceon. They had to be seething after the third miss.
>>59196579I've got a bunch of random pokemon from GTS trades in Champions. Odds are at least one was genned. Haven't had issues yet but I wouldn't bring any to an official tournament.
>>59196579if blatantly hacked shit can get into HOME then it's on gamefreak when they arrive in Champions
Started yesterday and I've already got a rain team going, I've never been tempted to play vgc format but I guess now's the time, though I've been watching big tournaments since the XY era. The free Dragonite sold me on the idea for the team, and the pelican's been a top tier mon for me since always. I'll grind these fucks until I'm bored of them, it's a good thing to never have played this shit outside of campaign until now kek. I'll probably try mega meganium once I unlock the stone. Fun game and the limited selection for now makes team building a breeze.
>>59196603>hey check out my generic cookie cutter rainslopnobody cares, dipshit
>>59196607Cast aside all negativity my fellow anon.
Finally got to Master Ball with this team after 33 wins. Not sure if that's average. Is now the time I can take it less sweaty and fuck around with different team comps?
>>59196607How's pokeball tier been treating you?
>>59196579I brought a genned Floette over and so far its fine. Im even sending it over in gts and everything works just fine. Also half my team is traded so im sure at least one of them is also genned. So far its all good
>>59196620You could fuck around and maaaybe things get less sweaty once your elo dips? I tanked from like 25k ranking to over 100k and things seem pretty much the same here.
>>59196620>33 winsI got Master after 38 wins. I got a few big win streaks to help me. I hear a lot of people's climbs start stalling at ultra 4 because of how random teams can be in that level. No meta to counter so you have to actually be good at the game to escape it.
>>59196579Does Champions even keep that kind of data in the mons you bring in? It seems kind of pointless. I guess there are titles from beating Pokemon Leagues...
Maybe it's cause I'm in ultraball but I have not been impressed by mega floette
>>59196654Not as bulky as you thought it'd be and too many Sneedlers and Steel types running around?
>>59196654it gets walled hard by a lot of common pokes and is not super fast so TR/tailwind teams can killit after 2 turns
ok idk if it's just me, but i have a serious problem where I just can't stick to a team I like man. I keep swapping over and over, nothing feels just right. I tried to commit to this mega venu team but quit because going 2nd in this meta is a meme. blah blah blah getting flinched fuck this.
>>59196660Well I've not used it cause I don't feel like getting it but so far it's kinda just dazzling gleams once and dies
>>59196670Find like a nice balance team with speed control and stick with it for a while till you learn the game. Switching teams constantly is the worst thing you can do
There's no reason to use Spikes over SR is there? Hazards are already a niche option even in 3v3 singles with how fast things go and SR does more in the single use you're allowed to get away with in most games
>>59196670Seconding that anon. Constantly switching teams is the worst thing you can do. Its better to outright lose and figure how to improve your team rather than win without understanding why. Believe in your wincon and figure out what your mistake is before blaming the team
>>59196654It definitely lacks the majesty that is Xerneas.
>>59196684Generally no. Sneaky peebles can do more and will always do damage unlike Spike (flying/levitate is immune) or Poison Spikes (steel is immune while poison just absorbs them)
how to get better at the game instead of just doom queing?
>>59196696Analyze your losses and don't get down about it. What happened in your last game?
>>59196700NTA, but I tried to set up ZardX with a dance, and they threw in a Primarina and that's all folks.
>>59196670Have you tried snow yet? Most of my team is slow as shit but hits like a truck.
>>59196687>>59196676>>59196712I'll just copy and paste this charizard x team i saw. It seems cool enough, it's good right?
>>59196696look over your team every now and then and make adjustmentswhich of your pokes do you bring out least?are there any suboptimal ones that you can change for something that is better?Are any particular teams/strats beating you consistentlty?Do you want to try some new strat you saw on ladder?Building teams is the most fun part of competitive imo
>>59196700how theres no replay feature
>>59196714I haven't seen any zardX teams so I have no idea how it fairs in this meta.
>>59196720If you can't just remember things you could take notes.
>>59196721I have tried it out, but definitely not that great. Primarina walls it and I'm certain Milotic can do the same. It also cannot survive a +0 SpAtk Draco Meteor from Archaludon
>>59196721its biggest strength is that people will expect it to be char-y and it will be able to get a DDance out if it doesn't get flinched
>>59196696Real answer, get a second pair of eyeballs.You dont need 10 times world champions to go through your games, but anyone who is right beside you catching mistakes and opportunities is very valuable.Case in point, my brother was previously hard stuck Ultra. He have been yoyoing nonstop and i finally went over and coached him. Turns out he simply cannot comprehend a Char Y team without bringing said Char Y. After some team changes and i coached him through some matches, he finally got Master. To be fair, anyone can reach Master with the ruleset we have, but knowing what exactly is needed to change is hard when you are dead set in your ways.Try remaking the team in showdown and get people to coach you in a friendly match or something if you dont have anyone nearby
>was at top 2k>now am at top 30kwhy even bother when little timmy faggot can just plug in the char y team and just win off that alone
>enemy uses tailwind>use trick room>they use trick room too
>>59196751Which just means Champions needs a replay feature so battles can be rewatched and analyzed
>when I outpredict my opponent every game but it literally doesn't matter ever because my moves always miss, my opponents always crit, flinch, burn, poison off 10-30% fucking procs EVERY FUCKING GAME TODAY HAS BEEN LIKE THATTHERE'S NO WINNINGI CALL OUT WHAT THEY FUCKING DO EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME AND IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER
I swear to God it's just master rank players on casual matches
Singles people, I have a question.How the fuck is Mega Starmie in Ubers? Like, I don't know anything about Singles, but a few days ago the only one in Ubers from the Champions list on Showdown was Mega Gengar and now Starmie is there as well? And Palafin, again?
SNEASLER IS FOR NIGGERS
>>59196788Smogon bans any mon that beats stall teams. Don't pay any mind to their 6v6 fanfic format.
>>59196788Whatever list you are looking at, anon. I don't remember anyone ever rated those high
>>59196793I'm just looking at the list when adding mons on the teambuilder. I don't know if that's an accurate list of the actual meta game, but I'd assume they update that since yesterday it didn't have those mons in Ubers.
>>59196799>abomasnow>ouOver my 9 days of playing Champions, I have never seen it showing up
>>59196801I think I've seen a couple people run it, but x4 weakness to fire in a meta where a spread move of that type gets used often sure is a choice.
>>59196801I don't think they have lower tiers in that showdown format so anything not banned to ubers is OU.
it's weird how mega starmie is considered one of the better huge power users and seem to do so much damage, meanwhile mega-medicham can't even get a kill on zero bulk mega-floette with 32+ attack helping hand boosted bullet punch with 100% consistency while mega-starmie can get better results with liquidation, jolly nature without the need for helping hand. i guess base power difference is just that big of a deal, despite it being a weakness vs neutral
>Send in max investment Modest Venusaur on a paralyzed full health Gardevoir >Sludge Bomb leaves them at 1%>They OHKO me with Psyshock"damage rolls" are such faggotry
>>59196788>fanfic meta
>>59196818Mega Starmie just has better overall stats>same hp>better defense>better spdef>better speed>130 spatk if you want to play mixed
>>59196823>Have full health mega garde vs venusaur>sash it with psychic>get sent to 1 ps with sludge bomb>get poisoned>lose
>>59196833>get poisoned by mega venusaur sludge bomb on mdragonite and it loses me the game
>>59196830>wahh these pocket monsters are all too tanky, we can't deal with them!!>singles players proceed to play mixed attackers which just deal shit damage in both types because nothing is focused, letting their opponent just heal back up and set up hazards, or just set up for free because there's no threat of any actual damage
What makes a team count as “balance”?
is there any game theory solver that spits out the nash equilibrium to any turn in vgc?
This is what Gamewith put out as the highest tier for both format.
>>59196788See this shit right here is why smogon is a total joke nowadays. Champions has been out for a week and they are already banning shit in their fanfic 6v6 format. Smogies have zero clue how to adapt to anything and just quickban literally any mon that feels slightly strong.
>>59196856lol
>>59196856M-Grenigga? Really?
>>59196788Why don’t you ask them rather than the people who aren’t playing their meta?
I have the milotic counter!It's Mega Ampharos
>>59196867people talk about singles in here all the time
>>59196871No they don’t. People here talk about BSS, not whatever smogon cooks up.
>>59196845Isn't that self-explanatory?
Any way to use this Edgelord?
>>59196845I was just watching it right now
>>59196895eh, not really any decent way. honestly, the dark typing fucks it over more than it helps.
>>59195901I've gotten decent use out of scarfed midnight form, No Guard Stone Edges or Rock Slides are pretty fun
So if my opponent uses Tailwind, then the next turn uses trick room, what happens? I didn't know what to expect but their pokemon went before mine. I would've thought trick room would flip the script and make them go last since they got the speed boost but is it cause it's boosting priority and not speed? in that case, why not use both every game to guarantee your pokemon go first every time under both conditions?
>>59196924Theres no way the other team went first with tailwind under trick room unless you were using mons way too fast for trickroom, or they were using mons way too slow for tailwind.What probably happened is one of them on the other team used a priority move, or had the prankster ability.
>>59196941it was a whimsicott, it used tailwind first, then trick room. I THINK I pressed tailwind on my own whimsicott but I'm not sure as this was a day or two ago and there's no replays to watch
>>59196960You need to read up on how move priority works.Prankster gives status moves +1 prio. Speed only matters for pokemon moving in the same prio bracket
>>59196960It's not taught in the tutorial, but Prankster is an ability that gives priority to non-attack moves so that's why they can set up a fast tailwind. The ability will fail if you attempt to target a Dark pokemon with say, Taunt
Honestly? I'm thinking about dropping whimsiscott because I keep fucking forgetting dark types are immune to prankster
>>59196996It still helps me to encore Umbreon in singles. Fuck that wabbit
>>59196996It's such a specifically niche interaction that it's entirely understandable to forget about it. Even Wolfe forgot about it in one of those "i _____ a tournament" 4+ hour videos.
>>59196998Even a pro makes mistakes once in a while. The first clip of this video is proof of ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePmLsPGy-jc
So, what's this I hear about Ariados being used?I have a shiny one I caught as a full odds rando Shiny Spinarak in Heart Gold ages ago.Is it like a meme or some shit? Or do you use Sticky Web, what?
If we're posting dumb mistakes, I used a single target ground move on a Rotom today.
>>59196998It's just embarrassing how many times it's happened to me lmao I guess the strict time limit to choose moves doesn't help, they really want you to hurry TF up and pick
>>59197018Rage powder + poison typing to fuck wih floetts.IF you wanna use ariados nows the time, because once amoongus is back this spider is going back in the dumpster
>>59197018If you're facing down a choice scarf Meowscarada, one of the better mons to deal with Basculegion right now, Ariados is the only pokemon in the game that wouldn't have to rely on a crit to OHKO Meowscarada with First Impression.
>>59197028>>59197029>Fucking Ariados is seeing competitive play in 2026>Its actually goodWhat a time to be alive
>>59197034I mean lets not say things we can't take back. "Good" is a bit of a stretch, it has two specific use cases, and it's only because of the current roster of available pokemon.
>>59197039If it's stats werent so awful it would be good.It has a really interesting movepool and not great typing but occasionally useful. But man those stats. Being one of the only rage powder havers, and the only first impression haver is the only thing giving it any notice
>>59197051wait for wind waves to give it a new regional form who gets an evolution
>>59196895Good in singles id think
I'm trying really hard not to use all the meta mons.
I wonder how the combined formats are gonna work. Are we gonna have to deal with shit like mega-floette with tera poison? or will they just have one gimmick at a time?
>>59197087Maybe there will be a gimmick regulation with all the gimmicks in, but the generation gimmicks were absolutely not designed to be in battle at the same time. Imagine gigantimaxed terra water coalossol with a fire gem or some shit. Even if you restrict it to 1 gimmick per pokemon its going to be a clusterfuck
>>59197085Same. I'm trying to make a sand team work around hippo and lycanroc since I like them but I might have to buckle in and start using Ttar
>>59197090I'm saying this because I vaguely recall from the first trailer shown that there was a Tera and a Mega on the field at the same time.Maybe you can just restrict yourself to one by choice? Like, if you have a Mega, you can't have a Tera/Z-move/Dynamax and so on.
>>59197087Probably like masters 8 tourney of the anime.You could only use 1 gimmick per battle
>opponent thinks Rage Powder can protect his Floette from my weed catA toast to obscure mechanics.
>>59197087We don't know until it happens. The only official 2 gimmick format has been SM but it was the 2 gimmicks that needed held items so you couldn't combine them.
>>59197126mega raymond's already set the precedence for no double gimmick on the same pokemon I guess
>one win away from Master BallI hate ladder anxiety.
>>59197138You can do it Anon, you've come this far.
>>59197138If a shitter like me can reach masterball tier you can as well
>>59196028this retard doesnt know mega sableye has magic bounce ahahhaahaha
>spent all day testing out different teams in casuals>literally lost every single matchI don't understand why nothing I try ever works. I think I unironically lost 30 straight matches in a row. Makes me just straight up not want to play anymore
>>59197219Post team
>>59197219Is it one of those situations where you have an idea in your head and you just want to do that - force it even and it just doesn't match up against meta teams, or is it you who have problems doing the actual battling?
>>59197219Your own teams or teams you found online? If it's your own teams then you should consider actually learning how to team-build, you can't just bash your head against a wall without thinking critically.
>>59197222There is no "team", I went through like 15-20 different mons in both singles and doubles and no matter what I tried nothing ever worked. It wasn't even due to bad RNG, nothing ever did enough damage to kill and I had no answers to any of my opponent's threats.>>59197232It just feels like I can never prepare for anything and whatever mons I wanted to bring just crumble without accomplishing anything. If I try to bring counters for rain, I get rolled by Chomp and Zard. If I try to bring counters for them, I get rolled by Lucario or some random fucking Mimikyu. I am genuinely at a loss.
>>59197219One you keep switching teams so you can't learn what your team needs Two for some reason half the people in casuals are like master ball players just wanting to shit on newbies
Everytime I try casual its filled with the most brain dead shitters who yoinked the most meta team off youtube. I have to assume the only reason they are in casual is because they are so insecure about rank that they must sweat their balls off in casual.Luckily they are retarded too, but its grossly unfun if you want to play fun strats and you have to deal with sneasler basculegion incineror every damn game
>>59197244I keep switching teams because eventually I ship of Theseus the entire lineup because I recognize that certain mons and strategies simply are not working. It's a slow and gradual process, not just dropping everything all at once
>>59197248Everytime I play casual it's just insane sweats
>>59196756>char y
>>59197001Man, I can understand forgetting about that interaction when setting up sub. But 5 minutes of research to confirm Skeledirge does not, in fact, get Infiltrator was silly as shit, I instantly went>oh Torch SONG hahaha that’s funny
>>59197087I’m hopeful mega and tera consume the same “resource” and you only get one per battle, it will help niche mega picks thrive
>>59197270>it will help niche mega picks thrivethat makes no sensewhy would you run a dogshit mega over a good tera on a real mon
Giving it some thought, for the beginning stage, you really only want to recruit from the farm (if ever) to do the dailies. Elsewise, there is only one type of Mons which you want permanently in your box: evergreens. Mons that always in some way meta or a counter pick in just about every format.Basically Mons which you probably want to think twice before you delete them, since its more of a hassle to boot up SV and transfer than it is having them permanently on the farm.Elsewise, having a Crabominable is cool and all when you want to run memes, elsewise he is just taking space in your box when you could be having stuff like Wimsicott or Sinistcha in there without taking Home space
Why is dual wingbeat so inaccurate when it's just an 80 bp move?Surely the fact that it ignores sash and can potentially break sub can't make it all that broken?Same goes for zen zenheadbut.
>>59197275Tera is situational. With a mega, you ALWAYS mega your mega (except in rare cases), so the only opportunity cost is “good mega or bad mega” and the held item slot. with tera, you use it offensively, defensively, on sweepers, on support mons, it depends on the context of the battle.On paper this makes the issue worse: now that it’s harder to mega you have even LESS reason to run a mega you can’t guarantee you’ll use, so mons that aren’t very good until they mega are worm food. But in practice, I think it will be the opposite. Good, useful mons like Gardevoir, Salamence, etc., won’t bring mega stones at all because a held item is more reliable (think of every time you ran thunderbolt over thunder); better a Life Orb in the hand than a Mega Stone in the bush, so to speak.Because of THAT, niche mega picks see an uptick in usage, because you aren’t building the entire team around your one mega pick, and no-mega teams would be common. That means the meta doesn’t calcify around the optimal mega picks, and the teambuilding cost analysis can shift to be more “can I do something interesting with Mega Sableye sometimes” rather than “is Mega Sableye worth more than Mega Kangaskhan”Tera is like a mega evo for everyone. “If everyone’s super, no one is”, etc etc
By the way, there are 2 Charizard X, one is the top 2.
>>59196792Well slap my belly and call me a Snigger.
>>59197277not everybody has SV faggot
>>59197277I don't really know what this post is trying to say but if you are that low on box space just buy the starter bundle.
>>59197316I was gonna say that "obviously it's just a product of the times", only to then see it was added in the Isle of Armor DLC. Yeah, why the fuck IS it as inaccurate as it is? Especially when there's already so many excellent flying type moves. Hell, it's not even THAT many good flying types that get the damn move.So, a total 2-hit, 80BP flying type move that has individual accuracy checks so you can straight up miss the second hit is WAAAY too good, but the fucking war crimes that Urshifu commits isn't? Alright Gamefreak.
>>59196792they didnt ban ghold tho?
>>59197381>obviously it's just a product of the timestechnically that's true, because dual wingbeat is based the original dragon version of the move introduced in gen 5
>>59197388because gholdengo was the swiss army knife of doing everything so it could fit into every comp flawlessly, it could stall, it beat stall, perfect typing for what it wanted to do. of course smogonfags love ghold
>Spamming fighting moves in casual battles for fighting type affinity tickets and muh Sneasler (don't judge me, they designed the game this way)>Their Whimsicott sets up tailwind>Their Mega Ttar hits Earthquake into my Gengar and Mega Aggron (Mr. Pancakes)>Gengar goes down before he can Focus Blast>Mr. Pancakes body presses into Ttar and takes it down>My Corviknight (Hulk Crowgan) comes out>Their Sinistcha comes out>It Rage Powders because they still think we're playing a real game>Whimsicott gets switched out for Arcanine>Its intimidate gets bounced back by Hulk Crowgan's mirror armor>I double Body Press into the Sinistcha, Rage Powder didn't matter>It goes down>Whimsicott comes back out>Keep body pressing into Arcanine, Mr. Pancakes goes down to fire and moonblast>Sandstorm has been up this whole time chipping their team>Corviknight is still at full health>My Gallade comes out>I could use any one of my coverage moves to do super effective damage, but I'm going to click a fighting move. They don't know that>Hoping quick claw comes out, but unfortunately they double into Gallade and it goes down>Body Press into Arcanine, it's getting low>They get another tailwind up>Hulk Crowgan tanks hits from both of them, Moonblast doesn't do much, I invested into special defense too>Take Arcanine down with a final body press>At this point I am laughing my ass off>Fuck the tickets, press roost instead>They forfeitHow embarassing
>>59197381>Especially when there's already so many excellent flying type movesSince when? If we are talking physical attacking flying moves it's just bravebird.
>>59197426honestly even we talked about all offensive flying moves its still just brave bird
First win of the day was my first insta-quit that also ranked me up. Good start to the day
>>59197431Hurricane for rain teams I guess?
>>59197426We have drill peck
>>59197415How'd you Body Press Sinistcha bro
>>59197455Wait, sinistcha was when I was spamming poison jab earlier. I forget what the third Mon actually was. Maybe Sylveon?
>>59197446Most birds don't even get it. The only mon that gets it, uses its phys attack stat, and also doesn't get dual wingbeat or bravebird is fearow...
>>59197446Drill Peck is hardly learned by any mon and the ones that do learn it get Brave Bird anyway.
New thread when?
>>59197426I used to play Mega Aero in XY and Dual Wingbeat is a godsendI had to use fucking Aerial Ace as its Flying STAB back thenScyther also gets to enjoy STAB Technician Wingbeat and it's probably still no good but I'm looking forward to when it becomes available in Champions
>>59197465make it yourself, bitch
>>59197477I thought about it, I'd need to find a good OP image though
>>59197484Here
>>59196751>watch my brother play occasionally, he's ping-ponging up and down ultra rank>he's the kind of guy to vocalise his thoughts>always talks about how his opponent needs to do this or that for him to get ahead>opponent doesn't, he gets mad>I guess how the turn will go while he's picking moves>turn goes exactly how I predict down to targets and switches>I myself am still in great rankwhen you're not the one pulling the trigger, aiming is surprisingly easy. It's kind of sad because the only reason he's not in master is because he loses to a missed 90% hit and ragequeues like a league player for 2 hours
>>59197459I remember now, it was ExcadrillIt's real I swear
>>59197426more than can be said for many types, even if they aren't super good at least there's a variety of moves like air slash, aerial ace, hurricane, drill peck. now go look at physical fairy moves of special fighting moves
>>59197498>a recording>of a recording>of a game>on a screenwe're hitting eastern european levels of jank
>>59197503it's called soul
>>59197505then it's absolutely not eastern european because that would imply they have souls and they most certainly do not
>>59197510there it's called ZOVL
>>59197489>>59197477There I made it, sorry I didn't use your image
>>59197501You literally just counted both phys and special flying moves, then compared them to specifically phys fairy and spec fighting.Flyings special selection isn't exactly glowing either. Hurricane is only useable with weather support and air slash is just a flinch gambling move. Not to mention aerial ace is garbage on anybody that doesnt have technician, and dual wingbeat outclasses it hard there too.Flying is carried by its utility moves like tailwind and defensive properties like being immune to ground.There may not be many good phys fairy or spec fighting moves, but the primary category of it's moves outclass flying super hard in terms of damage moves
>>59197517New>>59197515
So, if I train a mon in champions, send it back to say: Scarlet later, and then change its EVs/moves there they won't carry over when it returns to Champions again, right?But what about Ribbons?If it gains a ribbon later, and then returns, will it now be able to select a new title in Champions? Or is it forever locked to old titles?
>>59197549champions has its own memory for stats, yes, but ribbons are fine, I think
