>Can't import recruited Pokemon back to any mainline games>Can't transfer rewards to any mainline game>No story>No progression>No world to explore>Only options are singles and doubles against 3rd world reddit bots hard stuck in ultra ball>You can lose Pokemon forever if transferred to Champions (depending on game)Am I missing something or is this game just a time killer for the unemployed and mentally ill?
>>59203003>this game just a time killer for the unemployed and mentally ill?So like most video games?
>>59203003>nooooooo! Why can’t I transfer my perfectly trained mon to muh plass era shovelware not even guaranteed to have online feature anymore!?give me one good reason to ever come back to mainline slop now that champion exist
>>59203003>No storyOh shit no wonder that game feel so great compared to all the omori type shit since sm
>>59203014I think the issue is that you can only send it to the shovelware game [L:ZA], otherwise it's stuck in Home.
>>59203003>campaignshitter can't grasp a game purely meant for people who are actually good at the gameskek
>>59203003this is a universal hub to play online metagame from now on, retard. How hard is that to get?
>>59203037then just dont?The franchise has been on a harsh decline after hitting its peak with swsh. there’s no reason to play any of the mainline games made after so may as well transfer everything to champion.
>>59203037that's just cus za is the first gen 10 game, you'll be able to transfer them to ww too
>>59203003>You can lose Pokemon forever if transferred to ChampionsWhat? When does this happen?
>>59203014>esl>poor>thinking that makes her special
>>59203053Don’t be to harsh on him anon. Little Timmy is still copping with the fact that him buying legends shovelware despite not having any real competitive scenes told GF it was ok for newer pokemon game to be solely single player experiences.
>>59203063>cry about champions >pretend anyone but her is poorironic
>>59203003>nooo! How will I be able to use watchog in sv now that I transfered it to the game that’s just sv but better?!
>>59203003>why is there only PvP in a game made solely for PvP?Are you the special kind that goes to a vegan restaurant and demands for meat?
>>59203040So I'm guessing you're not playing it.
>>59203003>Am I missing something or is this game just a time killer for the unemployed and mentally ill?Doesn't that apply to Showdown as well?>b-but 6v6!Yeah, the sweatiest shit yet
the hate for champions feel just as forced as the love for legends games
>>59203112It just feels too sour-grapes for me when they go "Just play showdown instead". I'd like to see Showdown going new heights like Champions
>>59203003Pokemon Champions was such a fucking let down, can't believe I was slightly excited for this shit. (inb4 content is coming in the future) fuck this live service drip feed content
>>59203112Champions hate is justified, Legends glazing I will admit is overrated, the games are just ok, with ZA dipping into being kinda garbage tier
>>59203136>Twitch Rivals>BigFucking Kek, almost ever online game gets a content creator Twitch Rivals Tourney
>>59203060Some transfers are one-way and you lose access to them forever after going to HOME. Once transferred to HOME, they can only go to "Champions" or future games that have a compatible Pokedex. People were losing their shit because they didn't read the intro and just transferred autistically, losing their favorite Pokemon forever. Marked Pokemon, Pokemon in special Pokeballs, and event Pokemon were lost forever going to HOME, all because they decided not to read the intro.
>>59203155every*
>>59203155I don't see Showdown though. Isn't it supposed to be better?
>>59203157So how is that a Champions issue again and not Home? I don't follow
>>59203149>Champions hate is justifiedHow do you justify it when you don't even need to have a NSO to play it?
>>59203112legends games are only glazed because they're mid games in surrounded by godawful games. Arse-us was a barren sand fox directed by a pedophile who activelayt despitsed Pokemon, and ZA is a lame grindfest, by they're still better than Swooshit and BDSM and aren't glitchfests like ScatViolated
>>59203172Forgot to mention that I'm a 20 something zoomlennial who grew up playing the DS games, btw I recently transitioned too :)
>>59203162You're required to transfer to HOME to transfer to Champions. There is no direct transfer function. Pokemon HOME strips the Pokemon data so that it cannot be transferred back.
>>59203185Well, that's dumb. Pretty sure the other battle sims didn't do that.What's even the point? To push up Home subscriptions?
>>59203185So it's just Home being a jail for most pokemon. Isn't that a thing since forever?
>>59203157>Marked Pokemon, [...] were lost forever going to HOMEEven if you're talking about pokemon sent into home from bank that aren't in any switch games (of which I think the only one is maybe Spinda by the time champions came out so that argument is completely irrelevant to champions), that literally can't happen with a marked pokemon because they're only in games that can transfer to and from home
>>59203202>What's even the point? To push up Home subscriptions?NSO - $19.99Annual champions Membership - $49.99Starter Kit - $9.99One-time Kit - $6.99Battle Pass - $9.99Not even including HOME, but yes it's to push the ecosystem. The box space on both HOME and Champions becomes an issue as well, and the daily challenges + team building requires extra space unless you want to constantly release shiny/rare Pokemon. The entire system is built on pressuring you into spending, and we've barely seen the tip of the iceberg since it's only season 1. Once they add more Pokemon, holdable items and play variants the pressure would be outrageous and by June it will be pay to win (according to the international road map).
>>59203136I've seen a dozen Rivals events and I cannot remember a single person or team from any of those games. It's just unemployed content morons desperate to title their video "how I won Rivals"Might as well title it "how I used protect and Rock Slide to Flinch my way to victory"
>>59203226>NSOYou haven't played it, have you? You don't even need NSO to play Champions
>>59203205Yeah but before Nintendo Switch, you could at least duplicate the Pokemon you wanted to transfer. I don't know of any way to duplicate Pokemon on a legitimate Nintendo Switch and apparently the detection for 3DS transfers is pretty good so I wouldn't try that personally especially after the most recent Floette patch update.
>>59203244He seems to think sending pokemon to home makes them impossible to transfer back, which means he either still has a problem with bank to home transfers in 2026 when spinda is the only thing that's not transferrable to least one switch game or has no idea what he's talking about
>>59203244I've played Champions but I quit rather than autistically keep winning with no rewards. Got to Master Ball (like 99% of this board) and even that feel like a waste of time. I was referring to Home though. I have NSO through a family member share.
>>59203259*Felt like a waste of time. Only took a few hours over two days of mirror matches, but I honestly don't see how people keep playing. Archaludon and Incineroar are easy to counter. Pelipper and Whimsicott are easily 1-shot. Trick room is just speed readjustment. It's all the same copy paste ultra ball reddit teams and I don't get satisfaction from going on a streak against mentally disabled updooters. Give us rewards that transfer to mainline games. Otherwise everyone is just going to hit Master Ball and wait for the next season.
>>59203259It just feels overly disingenuinous to include that as part of the "required fees" to get into Champions. I literally got to MB without spending a single penny. Hell, someone else got there with just the starter team
>>59203281That's fair to say. I was including the prices of the ecosystem they are pushing, though you are correct. It's still early in the life cycle at Season 1 though, and I know of several games that started "free to play" and later had several features locked behind the "online subscription" member access. On the topic, not to sound elitist but at $19.99 a year, can people really not afford a little over a dollar a month? In contrast, Xbox Game Pass Ultimate is $360 a year.
>>59203281Yeah I don’t understand how any of those things bro listed are required fees. Like not even trying to argue with bro just tryna figure out what dude is even saying.t. Also made it to master ball without spending anything
>>59203321>I know of several games that started "free to play" and later had several features locked behind the "online subscription" member access.We will just see how it goes. For one, they did mention things on the BP will eventually be put into the Shop. Pic-related is the leaked rewards for next BP, and I don't think anyone will be paying unless they just want the costumes.>On the topic, not to sound elitist but at $19.99 a year, can people really not afford a little over a dollar a month?Because it hasn't been a thing to charge for online gaming until Switch so it rubs a lot of people wrong
>>59203112>reveal trailer brings up Stadium 2 and PBR>Champions has only a fraction of the game modes of those two because "muh live service"https://youtu.be/OTib6X_921MIt's not hard to see how people could be pissed.
>>59203003Pokemon Champions is so shit lol
>>59203136You do know the second this event tourney is over both the content creators and their fans will never touch this game again right Fucking Kek
>>59203379We are still going to have a tournament 2 months from now though
>>59203379Game is already hanging on by a thread on Twitch anyways when a Jap streamer isn't online, a Rivals tourney isn't going to bring people to the game, most have already moved on.
>>59203401>Pokemon Champions>923 viewers>For the ENTIRE category>Pragmata last night on PS5>One literally unknown random streamer>1063 viewers
>>59203401ChampionSisters.......
>>59203389Spoilers: some random balding pedobeard wins. A few 3rd world sore losers get kicked out. A popular figure in the Pokemon YouTube community feels up a child and receives a permanent ban from events.There, you just attended (insert Pokemon tournament) 2026.
>>59203373the sheer audacity to compare themselves to the stadium games.
>>59203401>most have already moved on.Can't blame them this limited ass meta is fucking boring
>You can lose Pokemon forever if transferred to Champions (depending on game)what in the fuck? i'm glad I took out all my shinies and placed them back into violet.
>>59203401It's because a maintenance is currently ongoing, you can't play the game now
>>59203351>I don't think anyone will be paying unless they just want the costumesHonestly the amount of ZA avatars I went up against during the first two days climbing to master ball was ridiculous. It's funny though, after the first couple of days Champions was released, it went back to being a bunch of default purple outfits at master rank. Not hating, of course. The folks paying for the cosmetics and box space keep it free to play for the rest of us, and it's a nice nod to the most recent addition to the series. >Because it hasn't been a thing to charge for online gaming until Switch so it rubs a lot of people wrongThat's actually really understandable to be disappointed about. I got the Switch as a gift and got a free subscription via family share, though had I been a long-time user slighted by Nintendo in that way, I would most likely deter from it, as well. Typical bait and switch when there's money to be made. I was surprised to hear about NSO to begin with, so I can imagine a long-time Switch fan's disdain.
>>59203401Game's in maintenance, but I will say the game is starting to bleed viewers, on release it was averaging around 30k, now it sits around 15-10k (peak Japan hours). This game will live or die by how ILCA supports it's live service
>>59203157>Marked Pokemon, Pokemon in special Pokeballs, and event Pokemon were lost forever going to HOMEHuh? Are you talking about sending pokemon to ZA?
>>59203346>how any of those things bro listed are required feesThey aren't required. He never said and if those things were required. He responded to this>What's even the point? To push up Home subscriptions?He's taking about pressure to buy boxes and re-reroll gachapon style tickets to get Pokemon. There's going to be more seasons and more pressure for me boxes. Especially for shiny autists who are retarded enough to """""collect""""" shiny Pokemon in Champions. Also relax with the "dude bro" nigger shit. This is a game for whites. If there's one thing ZA got right is that there is no such thing as a cool black nerd.
>>59203578Well how many times can a viewer realistically watch Pelipper+Archaludon or Charizard+Whimsicott combos with the occasional Rock Slide combo team?With Asia you get some cool teams that aren't as consistent but fun to play. In America it's some hard stuck ultra ball faggot yelling at the screen "PLEASE FLINCH OMG PLEASE FLINCH" like their life depends on it. It's the Catch a Brain Rot retards new content cow but even then who the fuck is watching? Seasons 2 and 3 will be the exact same game plan, just with new Pokemon. It's exactly how if you don't have Inciniroar, you use Sneasler. And if you don't have either of those you use Lopunny. Different Pokemon, same shit. At the end of the day, a Great Ball player and a Champion rank player have the same reward to show for it: nothing.This game is done.
>>59203003>why is my ZA multiplayer menu replacement missing single player content>why are pokemon locked to my ZA multiplayer menu replacement when they are locked to ZA
>>59203482I can't believe Porygon is fucking dead
>>59203578>This game will live or die by how ILCA supports it's live serviceSo its dying because a combination of ILCA and Live Service sounds like a match made in Hell
>>59203351>$10 to role play a ZA character>$30 for the actual ZA game at CostcoAre you fucking serious
>>59203003>Can't import recruited Pokemon back to any mainline games>Can't transfer rewards to any mainline gameI was thinking about trying it but now I'll passThx
>>59203373>>59203482I genuinely want all stadiumfags to kill themselves. I don’t care what your fucking opinion is after the slander to PBR over some stupid fucking minigames.
>>59204510>over some stupid fucking minigamesIsn't that the minority though? The reviews speak for themselves and the mini games are fun as fuck. They were a great break from the main battles and if players didn't like it they could just not play them. Champions is just a bare bones Stadium game for cucks dumb enough to buy into the attention whoring of an imaginary """rank"""
>>59203003>Am I missing something or is this game just a time killer for the unemployed and mentally ill?It's meant to be Official Pokemon Showdown, not a mainline game, but of course they managed to fuck up making Official Pokemon Showdown. It's literally the easiest homework assignment they've ever gotten, it would take a goddamn afternoon to implement, and somehow they managed to completely botch it.
>>59204615>Maximum effort>Cucks will pay for premium features>Minimum effort>Cucks will pay for premium featuresWelcome to franchise online gaming
>>59203485It also doesn't help that the fuckheads didn't bother to buff all the weaker Pokemon that were included like Furfrou and the elemental monkeys.
>the game is completely fine with minimal bugs>no they fucked it upYou fucks will never be happy
>>59204885The issue is that it has minimal everything else, as well.
>>59204908So? That didn’t stop you from buying and playing every games made after hgss before. why is lack of content an issue just now?
Pokemon Champions sucks
>>59204908>current Champions>same "broken" 20 pokemon being overused>full dex on day 1>same broken 20 pokemon being overusedExplain the difference
>>59203003I do wish we could transfer over gift Pokemon. They become yours. You can catch in GO and use them in mainline or even Champions.
>>59204928nah bro you don’t understand. incineroar wouldn’t be used in every single team if my bro pidove was in the game
>>59203055>after hitting its peak with swshWeak bait, sword and shit were easily the lowest point foe the franchise.
>>59204917Top kel. BW2 mogs johto, I pirated the 3DS games and there is no point playing mainline switch games lol
>>59203003It exists to solve the problem of VGC and BSS official competitions having to happen on whatever Gen game most recently came out.So for instance, there's no ZA megas in SV, but SV is the most recent game with traditional Pokemon battle mechanics. If they want to errata some moves for competitive VGC, they can't without patching SV.And if you want to compete, you need to own SV, only moneychads can go to regionals.If you're playing Champions as a standalone game instead of Home's Battle Spot, they technically made it possible for you but that's not the main and most intended way to play.
>>59203014Because recruiting and training in main line is way cheaper.And if you only cared about official format competitive you'd probably be playing natdex VGC and BSS showdown instead of playing Champions and buying the battlepass+subscription+starterkit
>>59204928Reg H was an undeniably more diverse meta than this. You could argue>that’s because mega is more centralizing than teraOr>that’s because a lot of mons relied on specific held itemsAnd both of those things are undeniably true, but it’s also true that Sneasler would not be at like 85% usage in a meta where Gholdengo was allowed.
>>59204806The elemental monkeys were buffed like crazy they have fakeout and insane movepools
>>59205664>Sneasler would not be at like 85% usage in a meta where Gholdengo was allowed.sv was far from perfectly balanced but its the closest weve come so far to each very broken mon having another very broken mon/set that counters it in a rock-paper-scissors-esque fashion (to be clear, it wasnt exactly that, it was just closer to it than previous metas)champions took out rock and now everyones complaining about the scissors meta that anyone with half a brain cell saw coming
They give you a dragonite that will be trapped in Champions forever :(
>>59205704I immediately returned it and replaced it with my dragonite from VC Red
>>59203226>NSO - $19.99Pokémon Champions doesn't use NSO subscriptions tho.>Annual champions Membership - $49.99You don't have to pay a cent annually to play Champions.>Starter Kit - $9.99You don't have to pay a cent to start the game.>One-time Kit - $6.99You don't have to need a "kit" to reach the Master Ball rank.>Battle Pass - $9.99You don't have to purchase a "battle pass" to battle online.>Total$00.00So huh... the game is free and you were just doomposting? oh.
>>59203003What a fucking letdown of a game
>>59205790The person he quoted said>What's even the point? To push up Home subscriptions?Champions pressures players into the extra boxes to collect shiny Pokemon from the "recruit" reroll. If you hit the 50 Pokemon cap and want to keep recruiting, you're forced into purchasing extra space since "recruit" Pokemon cannot be transferred anywhere and are stuck in Champions. If the player wants more tickets to gamble on rerolls after running out of tickets, they have to buy them once their daily/weekly allotment runs dry. No one has to buy a thing, but this game is built to pressure players into eventually caving in and making purchases. Also with Season 2 coming, the "recruit" pool will be larger, meaning more shiny Pokemon and just team building Pokemon in general. We get it, you're poor and have tons of time to try to get out of hard stuck ultra ball 4 like the rest of leddit. You're not the target audience of the Champions marketing team, and if you think the marketing team behind Champions don't know what they're doing, then you don't know what you're doing by posting.
>>59205704>Gardevoir, Dragonite, Meganium and Machamp are all free and come in beautiful Cherish balls>They are destined to a life of dodging "Rock Slide" trapped in ChampionsAnd you people actually grind this game?
>>59206023>if you hit the 50 Pokemon cap and want to keep recruiting, you're forced into purchasing extra space since "recruit" Pokemon cannot be transferred anywhere and are stuck in Champions.You can release Pokemon you retard>inb4 “I know that but I didn’t say because I wanna lead into something retarded”
>>59206642>You can release Pokemon you retardPeople are collecting shiny Pokemon retard
Honestly, the only thing that stings for f2p is limited number of teams you can have at time which is 3. Yes, you can save them as codes but it's still inconvenient
>>59206658>immediately leads into something retardedWhat if I have 50 highly valuable recolors Q_Q
>>59206670>1 singles team>1 doubles team>1 spare team>For hundreds of matches on the way to master ballBetween the team codes and constantly swapping Pokemon back and forth to play ZA, I just gave up on Champions wasting my time.
>>59205649>you need to own SV, only moneychads can go to regionalsWouldn't travel + accommodations for several days be infinitely more expensive than a $40 game? Or did I misinterpret this?
I’m sad because I wanted champions to be like showdown except with graphics and you can use the guys you caught and trained but it’s doubles gachaslop with only the shillmons and barely any items and trannies
Can’t wait for the first rotation to hit the game and for all poorfags to get cucked with either half their borrowed shinies becoming unusable box brick or better yet, getting straight up deleted.
>>59207025Holy kek I never even thought of this. Bro this is going to be gold.
>>59207025>>59207028don't worry goyim, just purchase the 50-slot bundle for only $9.99!
>>59206965>I wanted this real pokemon game to be like my fanficToo bad bitch
>>59207064that’s a better deal than home and any of the other shovelwares on switch tho
I'm enjoying the game. Sure, it's missing some megas, pokemon, and the gigantamaxes, but it's a gacha game. I'm sure we'll get them eventually.
>>59207074Calm down, tough guy. You're talking to kids on a Pokemon board.
