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Mwahahaha

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mega venusaur is still king

i need to find an erika before mega sceptile takes over the meta and she becomes even more in demand

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>>59206885
Erika belongs to BugGODS now

>>59206894
this thing is going to have 4 retreat cost
mark my words

160 hp eeveelution with a two energy attack and a reusuable sabrina effect
Water really needed this

>>59206939
two energy for just 80 and it has 3 retreat so you can't easily swap it around even with leaf, which hurts when it only works in the active.
i genuinely don't know why you would even put it in your deck in the first place, or what it would possibly pair with. if you need multiple sabrinas just run two copies. it's the same shit as umbreon.

>>59206944
Nah with unbreon you need to do some damage first while you just need a bench pokemon to activate vaporeon's ability

>>59206971
you also need to have vaporeon in the active which sucks because it's very passive and cannot easily retreat. the obvious partner is greninja ex, but if you think about it for literally two seconds you realize that greninja decks don't care about sabrina because they just bench snipe into cyrus.
dead on arrival.

>>59206939
it's literally ga pidgeot but not usable from the bench
i don't get the hype

>>59206988
The point of it having bulk is you're not really trying to retreat it ever

>>59206996
You only need vaporeon in your hand with eevee on the board whilemyou need rare candy and pidgeot in your hand with pidgey on the board

>>59206999
yeah, so it sucks. 80 damage is fucking pathetic in the age of ice pops, indeedee, and fat megas chugging big heal trainers.
people stopped playing greninja ex because 100 for 2 wasn't enough damage, 80 is even worse. being sabrina on legs doesn't make up for having dogshit stats when you could run sonething actually good and 2 sabrina copies instead.

Oh you could probably pop a heavy helm on the new vapreon too. More survivability while you can build up a second attacker on thr bench

>>59207013
>2 sabrina copies
Nah deck space is already bad enough as it is.

Being able to use a sabrina ability and another supporter card on the same turn is nice. It's why I use repel over sabrina in some decks

budew seems nice

>>59207040
Something that dies to iggly darkrai though...

>>59206939
140 hp eeveelution with a two energy attack and a reusuable cyrus effect
Dark really needed this

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isnt vaporeon just this but bad
why not just run suicune with this dumb bird

>>59207044
Thankfully im at greatball so ive yet to see an igglybuff.

>>59207055
Bird needs active pokemon to be basic. Pidgeot already does it

>>59207059
ah you're right

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This shit about to be the most annoying fucking card. You could run a two eevee two vaporeon deck as your only pokemon and it would still be fucking annoying.

noticed the new zorua has that same "search for a pokemon that evolves from this card" wording that rockruff did in CG
guessing we might see a zoroark ex soon

>>59207071
annoying but bad. even with irida and heavy helmet it's still dropping in two turns to basically any relevant attacker, and if spamming disruption was a good strat we'd see a lot more repel play.

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>>59207071
*pokes you, rendering you completely useless and unable to retreat and clear the effect*
nothin personnel kid

>>59207055
>>59206996
Having an active swap passive as early as your first turn with boosted evolution is the real difference maker, having this kind of disruption out the gate van really fuck over some decks. It makes that 2 energy 80 damage a lot more appealing too.

>>59207071
This thing murders entei and suicuine decks or anything that requires benched pokemon.

>>59207092
>kills a benched charmander
>next turn dies to their zard y and you lose the game
hmm.

>>59207091
if i wanted to swap active on turn 1 i would just use repel in a suicune deck
same card count but suicune draws cards and probably does more damage too

>>59207071
I'm just gonna use as the lead attacker in my Glaceon deck since it's 2-energy with good HP

>>59207094
Yeah that scenario doesn't really happen unless a bunch of turns already passed by which point your second vapreon is already ready to go.

Guzma is still relevant because chingling can stop your blower
OKAY

>>59207102
by the time you can get two energy on vaporeon and swing, your opponent can easily have enough energy to play zard. even if you have the second vaporeon it literally doesn't matter, it can't threaten zard at all.

>>59207109
Not really. If they're playing entie they're fucked. If they're not playing entei they're stil fucked,

>>59207097
Having unlimited swaps after the fact conditions them to manage their energy draw less ideally. Are they giving you a 1 pt meat shield while building up their ex? Then you get to take advantage of that and stall. Take a hit from their lead card with your 160 base hp, then you get to swap that fucker out too.

>>59207088
Oh shit. You just made me realize. Budew switching Abilities off means that Eevee EX can't evolve LOL

>>59207124
if they give up 1 early point to suicune then chien pao or greninja can snipe an ex for game
i still don't see why i would run vaporeon

>>59207094
The only way for the sex water deck to lose against the fire dog deck would be for the prior to be VERY unlucky and the the latter to be very lucky.

>>59207130
and if you go first it also cucks boosted evolution eevee so no turn 2 jolteon, leafeon, or vaporeon shenanigans.

>>59207134
>go first
>have worse energy econ
>by the time you have 2 and swing they will have 4 on their next turn and be ready to kill you with zard y, all it takes is 1 charmeleon draw and maybe a flame patch
lol, lmao even

>>59207144
>by the time you have 2 and swing they will have 4 on their next turn
Assuming I never use the sabrina ability

>>59206885
What do you have to offer?

>>59207132
Wouldn't consider the meta's snipe deck as one of the "fucked over" match ups, and those dorks are probably gonna get culled out a bit by budew anyways for pulse/shuriken/ice maker

>>59207149
if they drop two charmanders on their first turn it literally doesn't matter what you do, you will lose if they draw the pieces to zard lmao

>>59206885
>blaziken but worse
Nah

>>59207162
>blaziken but can run kartana and oneshot deino for 1 energy before it evolved, giving it an extremely strong matchup into the best deck in the game atm
yeah i'm thinking it's the superior blaziken

>>59207160
>if they drop two charmanders on their first turn
Which means nothing against sabrina. It's why they die against any deck thats runs her

>>59207166
That does sound juicy but I rather have heatmor snipin in a alot of games

They're just hiding all the actual cancerous meta cards from the trailers right?

>>59207181
well you've still got pheromosa for that
sadly grass has no hitmonlee clone yet so it can't snipe benched babies but it does still set up for cyrus

>>59207198
>pheromosa
True but being to fire patch either after retreat or the active dying wins a lot of games

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>he's still not playing the ultimate tech card

>>59207209
that's true but pheromosa is a lot harder to take down than heatmor
with a leaf cape it has 100 hp, and it's an erika target as well, so you can actually keep it up for several turns against early openers like zeraora or suicune
i'll have to see it in action but i'm really leaning towards sceptile being better overall

>>59207219
could actually see use if it were 2-energy since it'd double as an ori killer

I'm the most dishonest deck...

>1 pack shit again

>>59207405
Suininja...

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Crobat? The strongest stage 2

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Too bad I don't care for either mon, it'd cost 40 HGs, pl7s 25k dust to trade for something mid, especially when I'll need tons of resources for next week's giant pack

>WP'd rainbow Hitmonchan
Now I have a reason to use this in my fossil deck

This set was made by faggots, for faggots. 11th missed 2* WP this set out of 12.

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I am going to kill myself

>>59207811
Care to share the list? I have Tyrantrum but I suppose there is the Rampardos-Archeops pair I saw once

>>59208261
>bruh sfx

>last card I’ve needed for the set is mega gengar
>has been showing up in my wonder pick every single day for like 2 weeks
>still haven’t gotten it

Do the odds of getting what you need get fucked or something the more you fill up the set? With this many times I’ve wonder picked for the same card I can’t help but think it’s purposely blanking me

>>59207708
Personally I always go for the ugly planeta cards just so i can have trade fodder.

>>59208262
Eh it was no good with Tyrantrum since the latter needs 3 energy and the worst thing that can happen is you only draw the fossil right when Hitmonchan's about to die. Rampardos probably works much better in that regard since it's only 1 energy. With Tyrantrum I've been playing it with 1 Phanpy + 2 Donphan ex since none of the energy gets wasted if I don't draw the Jaw Fossil early, Donphan doesn't mind the extra energy and can share Heavy Helmet with Tyrantrum.

>>59208308
Just a regular one? Post FC, I've got some spares.

>>59208339
Time to hunt for second Donphan then. I have no faith in next set's support but now you got me intrigued.

>>59208397
Korrina and the new stadium will be good for Donphan. Korrina might be hard to fit in, but the stadium will be a definite sidegrade to Training Area.

>>59208397
Garchomp ex is decent on paper too since it is also is 1-energy attacker that can get stronger with more investment, but double stage-2 is painful sometimes even with guaranteed Gible

>>59208368
That would be dope, thanks. Mine is 0364282090630906

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Anyone got a 1-star Flareon for trade? That's the last thing I need...
2051-0647-9940-0394

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I pulled this God pack yesterday.

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>>59208645
Then today I pulled this. I hadn't gotten a single gold card since Arceus and then I get three in two days.

Took me 12 tries across different accounts but I finally got the RR Thunder Dog. Thanks for following with my humiliation ritual arc.

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>>59208650
But I've been getting fucked on wonder picks.

>>59208645
At least you can trade Manectric for something decent.

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I can't open the new pack when it comes out because I don't want to use up my good luck and pull a Gold that isn't Pokéball.

>people dissing Vaporeon because of energy economy
People seem to have forgotten Mantyke and Misty exist
>but the retreat
You either slap helmet on it and never retreat or you slap raft on it and retreat anytime. I'm not saying it's top tier but it'll will see play and will be obnoxious as fuck and will win a bunch just from killing combo pieces in the bench before they can set up.

>>59208919
you'd think inflatable boat gives your water mon 0 retreat cost since psychics get an infinite use stadium with that exact effect but no, raft is just -1 retreat cost that takes up your pokemon's tool equip slot lmao

>>59208971
Water already has way too much going for it already, having inflatable boat at all is already more than the type deserves.

>>59208971
Psychic is DeNa's favored child, prease understando

>>59208919
people will play it because it's vaporeon but it's not gonna be very good
if killing benched basics early was game-winning there'd be more people playing repel, decidueye, victreebel, etc

>>59208919
>using mantyke to ramp a 160 hp 80 damage ex as your finisher
bro this isn't genetic apex you're gonna get slaughtered by hydreigon

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>>59208919
>dude umbreon ex is so OP it has Cyrus built in

>>59208997
>Psychic
That's a funny way of saying water. Psychic was only ever good in GA/Island, Darktina which didn't even run psychic energy, and now Altaria with babies. Meanwhile Water has been a persistent menace from the start, Starmie, Articuno, Palkia, Grenigger, Suicune and it's still fucking going. Water is the only type with an AoE heal that can work even on non-water mons, has 5 different types of ramp, has two kinds of bench snipe, has the best legendary dog it and it keeps getting more support.

>>59209046
palkia was never all that good, the only water card worth a damn released between genetic apex and secluded springs was gyarados ex

How many total hourglasses can you get from doing all the step-up battles?

>>59209046
>conveniently forgetting when snorgrentina, grentina+sylveon, and sylveon/espeon were meta
hmm

>>59209106
>sylveon/espeon
I miss it. That deck was extremely consistent.

>>59209115
fun deck, sadly a victim of the insane mega rising power creep. stood no chance in a world with blaziken and hydreigon.

>>59209130
At least it was really good into Suicune.

>>59209046
water wasn't good for a six month period until suicune existed

>>59209106
>Snorgrentina
>grentina+sylveon
Guess what the gren in those names stands for.
>Sylveon/Espeon
Were meta for what, 2 formats? Meanwhile greninja came before them and was still meta when they got pushed out and still sees play to this day.

>>59209051
And? Even when it wasn't getting new busted cards it was still a solid meta pick throughout that period and continues to be meta. You wanna compare that to dark which was hard carried by Darkrai until Hydreigon came out? Or steel which has been shit for 99% of the game's lifespan? You have to be genuinely retarded to argue water isn't busted compared to other types and the single most consistently meta one.

>>59209046
>Darktina which didn't even run psychic energy
That's a funny way of pointing out how they made a Psychic Pokemon so good that it could fuel itself on a Dark Energy deck.
>Mewtwo
>Mew
>Gardevoir as the OG Energy ramp
>Mega Altaria
>Sylveon
>Espeon just so happening to be a perfect Sylveon partner
Face it, Psychic has been coddled from the very start

>>59209151
water was literally just the greninja type until chien pao and bax finally supplanted it recently. were water cards meta-relevant? yes. was it good as a type on its own merits, and not simply because it happened to have greninja who was and still is splashed off-color and only used for its ability? no.
crabominable? flopped. wishiwashi? flopped. primarina? flopped. kingdra? mega gyarados? mega blastoise? mega swampert? all flopped, because water wasn't the water type it was the greninja type.

I underestimated Turbosaur. You can build it super-consistent and be on a hot streak, and most of all, humiliate Manectric.

>>59209177
* in random obviously

>>59209175
18t Articuno was popular until Oricorio was introduced.

just cancelled my membership, i’ll stick around and open packs but i feel like the game is fucked. It seems like 2 energy spam i to ohkos is the norm? Game is too fast and it feels like every match is too fast. This is the first season where I have’t played a single game of ranked

>>59209153
fantastical parade alone had more playable psychic cards than water had gotten in literally a year. meloetta, chandelure, gourgeist, and mimikyu ex. in the year between that set and STS which came out a year prior, water had... suicune ex, greninja ex, and mantyke. that's literally everything.

>>59209208
true. early pocket had other good waters, but they decided by celestial guardians that water was to be the greninja type. that's why i didn't include glaceon despite it flopping, non-greninja waters were still playable back then.
for eight entire sets, from celestial guardians through fantastical parade, water was just greninja and greninja accessories. i don't want to hear any talk about it being dena's favorite when they let it languish for so long.

Think they're ever going to run the Deluxe pack again?

>>59209277
yeah, i fully expect it to come back during B4b when they do deluxe pack 2 for maximum fomo.

>>59209275
It was Dena's favorite type until CG. It had the two best supporters and Pokemon that could abuse them well. It had one of the best pre-baby ramping options, and Electric sucked outside of Magnezone.

>>59209282
Given their current trends, it wouldn't surprise me if deluxe 2 contained every single card from deluxe 1.

What do you expect from new non-ex Gallade?

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Damn the gambling.
How have I gotten three of these out of packs and none of the full art?

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No Thanks given for Sleep Scam, win or lose.

>>59209360
If I could, I'd trade you one of my immersives for that one. It would look nice next to my gold Ho-Oh.

>japfaggots playing hydreigon or sleepscam in casual unranked mode
why

>>59209637
you see, for the asians (pretty much all of them) if you don't win you are not having fun, they cannot comprehend fun in a non-winning manner, that's why chinks often cheat. It doesn't matter that they cheated, it matters they won and proved their resourcefulness and superiority.

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Well, what use can I get out of this real American patriot?

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>>59209824
>he has fun losing

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god, that took fucking forever. can't wait for deluxe pack 2 to be even worse!

>>59210109
He gets the same treatment real life veterans recieve.

What do you get for fully completing a set, all cards all rarities? Just a different pfp? An emblem?

>>59210429
there's nothing special for all star cards.

>>59210433
Not true, you get twelve (12) pack and wonder pick hourglasses.

>>59209824
Ah so they're simply gigafags got it.
>>59210244
I don't think anyone plays to lose but taking the current top meta decks which are finely tuned and perfected upon to the mode where people are more likely to experiment with what I'd say are tier 2 or 3 decks seems so boring and uninspiring.

>>59209360
Lugia using Elemental Blast in my bussy…

>Lucario will be cover card Immersive instead of rainbow full art
Not sure what I expected. I was hoping for Rainbow rare art though. At least being able to finish the eeveeloution collection will be cool.

will we see support for gengar in this set bros? only ever played against one poor guy using it and he got crushed of course

>>59210837
i hope not, if gengar was any good it would be the most cancer deck ever. fuck floodgate slop.

whats a deck that can quickly take me to master ball

>>59210866
jolteon ex/jolteon
it's not the best deck but it's the fastest deck and it's better to win two games on turn 2 than it is to lose one game on turn 14

>>59210837
No, they made Gengar ass on purpose. Flashy, but ass. If he ever become efficient, he would be broken and the game would be insufferable.

the game dying on it's second year was not on my bingo card.

>opening packs looking for /HER/
>app dcs mid pack
>ok guess i'll check just in case
>log back on
>look
>Sabrina appeared on my account
Her psychic powers were too much for my game, apparently.

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Fuck off, dude.

>>59211404
That reminds me, I want to trade a Starmie ex in case they release Mega Starmie, but then again Mega Starmie could end up being psychic.

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>>59208593
still no Flareon

>>59211423
Megas don't evolve from the base form, so there's no reason to have Stamie. even if I think it's one of the better planeta cards.

>>59211020
I was playing since day one and I've been out for months, my life has been so much better without the torment of the terrible pulls this game gives. My mood has improved, my relationships have improved. I still hate my job but I'm applying for new ones.

I give quitting this game a 10/10.

>>59211020
Does it really surprise you with how bereft of everything this game is? The only thing you can really look forward to is what new compartmentalized cancer will be made available in the next set. Obviously something with 0 interaction with old sets so that you're only encouraged to open the new thing.

>>59211433
Starmie only as a two energy cost, I think you could run both provided Mega isn't an energy slut.

>>59211446
90 damage is way too low, and 130 HP is way too frail. It's not GA anymore.

>>59211404
Why did you even bother? What would you have used this shit for?

>>59211452
I like Blaine and the rest would have been good trade fodder for my alts.

>>59211435
I'm thinking about following your lead. It's been nearly an hour since that failed WP and I'm still in a bad mood over it. But if I had gotten something I know my good mood wouldn't have lasted this long. What's the point?

>>59211483
This game makes you wait forever just to give you a shitty result so you can wait even longer for the next failed chance at something.

>>59211452
I still see people running Moltres for Charizards.

>>59209824
the gameplay is so basic that if you don't win it's hardly worth it

>>59211603
you forgot the RNG and luck to get the cards you need

Is running Brock on a Steelix deck a trap?

>>59211661
No? He was the standard before Orthworm became a thing but nowadays I'm not so sure

>>59211661
No, he still reads "get Steelix online one turn earlier". That's huge when grinding is his game.

>>59211483
Game devs and companies spend money to study the human mind for exact reasons such as these. Its gross.

>>59211452
Some people just want to collect new cards?

>make the world's most anti-EX deck ever just to go kill some big points faggots
>Oricorio, Pawmott + Nemona, Red, the works
>immediate first game is against a meme Haxorus faggot who cheeses me dead by Turn 7 and not a single EX in sight
Look me in the eye and tell me this faggotass game isn't rigged as shit

>>59211809
Then he still got what he wanted. That screenshot shows he didn't have that Charmander before.

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so are erika stonks up? i have 2 and really wouldn't mind trading one if I can get misty/mars/sabrina(lol). will sceptile actually be good?

>>59211856
it is, anyone saying otherwise is retarded

>game is rigged
u schizos really need better things to do

>>59211993
You seriously want to tell us that Lucky Ice Pop has a 50/50 chance of landing heads?

>>59212004
you do realize they patched it right?

>>59211902
i have a hard time seeing a world where sceptile is bad, given its similarity to blaziken. it loses flame patch but it gains many other things, like better partners than heatmor, more flexible healing, and a better matchup into the meta type-wise. the hydreigon matchup is very much in sceptile's favor, as kartana can one-shot deino before it has the chance to evolve, and mega sceptile cleanly OHKOs a full hp hydreigon unlike blaziken which leaves it with 10.