Let's talk about Pokemon cards. What in the holy fuck happened the last couple years to make it so fucking weird and degenerate. People are getting assaulted for cards.
>>59210743Logan Paul
>>59210743Soulless robot celebs (mainly Logan Paul) turned the hobby into a grift. He's trying to do the same with Manga now btw.
>>59210745I don't know if this is real or a meme. What did he do to make people go insane? What do people do with the cards? Sell and throw out the bad ones? No one this many people are playing Pokemon Tcg.
>>59210750Does he even read manga?
>>59210760Just have videos with you being rich and buying something. Doesn't matter if it's less than $1000 to rent a yacht and get a hotel suite for a day.
>>59210760it's basically a pyramid scheme of retards scalping to sell to bigger retards who are try to scalp even bigger retards
>>59210743Why did Target paint their entrance grey? What does this improve? How does it inspire people to shop at Target compared to Red?
>>59210965Some communities want their stores to follow a certain color scheme and they adjust for that.
>>59210760Before pokemon cards were considered for children and us card nerds could collect and play in peace but then this dumb fuck goes and tells all of the normies that Pokemon cards are actually cool and that you can make money off them and now the card hobby has been ruined for most likely forever.
>>59210743>Logan "I recorded a dead Japanese guy for views" Paul flexing his rare Pokemon card>Normie nostalgiafaggotry hinging mostly on Gen One>Investerbros fueled by Logan Paul and preying on Gen One nostalgiafags>Subhuman TikTok FOMO>Shitty economy pushing normies into get-rich-quick schemes
>>59211018supposedly 2027 will open a major printing facilities as a response to the last few years, let's see what happens. Also, the hype will die down, it always does.
>>59210743Logan Paul turned it into glorified stock trading
>>59210743Decline of shame + economic decline + rise of hustle culture + influencers
>>59210750Children don't read these days, so there's no reason for scalpers to raid every Barnes and Noble to sell manga on an upsell to stupid parents.
>>59211132>Decline of shameIf that were true cancel culture wouldn't be at an all time high
E-celebs are cancerGun down all of them
>>59211215Cancel culture isn't about fighting for what's right. It's about appearing to fight for what's right. It's all performative attention whoring
>>59211132Most accurate take itt. The cattle that consume eceleb and influencer content no longer has to feel embarrassed by their ways and in fact, due to social media having a heliocentric bubble effect, they feel validated and celebrated in their most retarded of ways.
>>59210806lmao
>>59210743Cryptoniggers desperate to gamble and invest while not understanding the product they're investing in whatsoever. Now we have a bunch of degen retards pulling nft-tier pumps while buying from each other at literally any price under the assurance that ALL of it will only go up FOREVER. Fucking faggots genuinely preach that there's going to be a mass transfer of wealth over god damn pokemon cards.>>59211488Also this. And it's not just the scalpers. Fucking retard newfags to the hobby have absolutely no shame. They're proud to spend their entire days standing in line at a fucking target. They have NO qualms about buying at 2x-3x msrp for the sake of their gambling addiction. They use their kids as excuses to drop half a grand claiming it's "fun quality bonding time" when all they're doing is fueling their own addiction and introducing it to children during formative years. Sure, tcgs always had an element of gambling, but the scale of buying a few $5 packs hoping to hit a $100 card is so massively different from dropping hundreds hoping to pull an epic thousand dollar carderino which will then be sent to PSA in the hopes that its value increases ten fold.
>>59210743Pokemon tcg pocket released. Mobile whales started whaling irl after playing it. Since they already spend thousands on their hobbies regularly, they don't care about paying scalper prices.Suddenly any pack of cards can be sold for 3-5x its cost.Scalpers jump in, investor bros join the party, crypto junkies are invited along. They coordinate large scale region-wide buyouts of product. Fights break out because that's just their culture of alpha male bro mentality.It's dumb.
>>59211512They think the cards they buy today will help them retire later. They don't realise that early Pokémon cards are worth so much nowadays because very few people gave a shit about preserving them back then, so you have extremely few well preserved rare cards, let alone unopened boosters. Nowadays everyone into the hobby makes sure to sleeve their cards and barely anyone actually plays the card game. In 25 years all these rare cards and unopened packs will have only gone down in value, because the fad will be over and perfect conditions rares will be for sale everywhere
>>59210745>>59210750>>59211092>>59211125Just waiting for the day someone Luigi Mangione’s his ass. That one co-host of Impaulsive, George? He’s got more than enough reason to.
>>59211534Bullshit, it started before PTCGP released
>>59211215Cancel culture is about actually providing real consequences since just shame isn't cutting it anymore.
>>59211563That's why you have shit like people getting cancelled 20 years later for calling someone a retarded nigger in Halo
>>59210965Nice self report that you never leave your house lol
>>59211258I was gonna explain it to him but you explained it like six gorillion times better.You’ve earned this (You).
>>59211563Cancel culture is just a group of people who feel betrayed by a product that they like. People are products, stores are products, and products are products. If your product builds itself as an asshole from day 1, you are immune to to cancel culture. The people who follow your product do so despite your asshole actions. If you act like an asshole, like you have since day 1, you're not betraying anybody or anything. No betrayal of expectations, no cancelations.
>>59211580Because the Christian value of forgiveness and redemption has been dying out since the end of the thirty year war and has instead been replaced by a underlying belief that all humans are either born good or evil.
>>59211593That's fair. Though you still get shit like 40K or Harry Potter but nobody is ready to have that conversation.
>>59211536You say this while the most expensive card in existence rn is a Lillie card.
>>59211595>replaced by a underlying belief that all humans are either born good or evilWait til people realize culture is what determines morality, and that modern culture has made basically all humans alive pure evil as a baseline.
>>59211598Yep. It's a mess. The existence of cancel culture acting as a sort of public humiliation ironically encourages products to be as shameless as possible from day 1 to avoid the future risk of being canceled.We're in the worst possible timeline though so maybe things worked out better elsewhere.
>>59211608Nobody is ready to have that conversation even though identity politics has largely created a mentality where people are so terrified of changing themselves that they view any change to themselves as being equal, if not worse, than dying.
>>59211610>The existence of cancel culture acting as a sort of public humiliation ironically encourages products to be as shameless as possible from day 1 to avoid the future risk of being canceled.Honestly wonder if that isn't going to backfire eventually insofar that people will just turn on shameless products asap.>We're in the worst possible timeline though so maybe things worked out better elsewhere.I mean, we don't live in one of the many timelines where the cold war went nuclear so it's not ALL bad. Still, those fuckers from the "What if Napoleon Won" timeline are looking at us and smiling.
>>59210743>What in the holy fuck happened the last couple years to make it so fucking weird and degeneratThe TCG business model paid off.>>59210955Anon's asking about Logan Paul
OP here. So basically the cards have turned into a physical crypto system? Or people think they can make a quick buck? I guess the problem here is what about the people that actually want to buy the cards just to play are they getting royally screwed why doesn’t Nintendo somehow addressed this and make it so people can only buy one or two packs at a store?
>>59211888Target does have that. Also the pokemon vending machines have systems where they sell only a couple at a time to discourage scalpers. There’s enough hype that shit still gets sold out. Also some stores like Walmart and Costco just dgaf and will take the unlimited sales
>>59210743>Let's talk about Pokemon cards. What in the holy fuck happened the last couple years to make it so fucking weird and degenerate. People are getting assaulted for cards.In defense of Pokemon, and even TCG's in general, this behavior isn't exclusive to cards. I'm a historian. I like to buy old history books. I've gone to used book sales where people were stealing stuff out of each others bags. Everyone comes with a barcode scanner attached to their smartphone so they can see which books they can sell for the most on EBay. People are shoving each other out of the way to try to find the expensive books. Like shit, I just want to buy a book to read it.
>>59210743the last few gens are what happenedthe fans know the series is going to end so they gotta stock up on cards before they all go extinct
>>59211092The CIA and Mossad are monitoring this thread now BTW.
At least all the larpers are trashing Perfect Order all because it doesn't have a Charizard meaning that the Yveltal and Aurorus cards will be affordable and not artificially expensive.
>>59211983And even if it did have a Charizard there's always the perk of not not giving a damn about it (meaning the cards for your favorites are more than likely not raped with the Scalper Tax)
Let’s say someone opens 20 packs and only three of them actually make money are people throwing away the rest of their cards what a fucking waste
>>59212011Bulk is usually sold by the pound to people who'll repack it into those shitty lots you see on amazon or ebay. >100 random cards with 5 guaranteed rares, only $15. Perfect gift for your grandchildrenOr other shit like that. Some will repack them and market them as draft packs
>>59210750That's mostly fine. If you care about a specific manga you buy the volumes anyway.Shonen Jump issues are collector's items, not a part of the overall manga hobby.
>>59210743thank god that I never got into pokemon cards. tcg stuff is normie tier anyways
>>59212159What are the chances per pack that you get a card? That’s actually worth a lot of money? I just feel bad for the kids or the people that actually want to buy the cards to play and are getting screwed over by scalpers.
>>59211593Not completely true, that mentality only works if the income comes from the consumers themselves. An already controversial e-celeb can still be canceled if they do something extra controversial and lose sponsorships.
>>59212212Depends on the set. Last set had a 1/1800 pull rate for the chase card. People love to blame scalpers, but the real enemy is pokemon itself for making this retarded as shit rarity system.
>>59212231 Chase card?
>>59211562TCGP is as successful as it is BECAUSE people don't have to deal with scalper faggots.
Anyone who wants to being shame back are just salty they have no real power over anyone on the internet.Do (You) want to give them power over (You)?
Pocket is to blame. Easily accessible reentry into the TCG that sparked people’s desire to collect again. People think it’s eceleb bullshit but it wasn’t, not this particular jump in competition to get cards. I was there when you could walk into any target and buy an ETB, and that was well after the influencer grift and before Pocket. Things started to accelerate around Surging Sparks and have only gotten worse since. Go ahead and look at the release date for Pocket and SS, I’m sure they’re similar. I still play the TCG but I’ve completely stopped trying to open packs, it’s impossible to find at MSRP unless you have no life.
>>59212175This 1000%. The only Pokémon trading cards I ever played was when the game released on the App Store for the switch. It was a very fun game even though it was a game boy color game. I’m glad I never spent real money on the cards I would be so upset with what’s going on right now.
>>59212239The most valuable cards from the set. Think charizards and shit.
>>59212296Why don’t they just give all of them a charizard
>>59212275Blaming TCGP is retarded as has already been outlined itt. Pokemon cards were slowly getting traction after Go in 2016 but because there was no scalping and the buyers just saw it as a way to drop a couple of bucks, cards stayed cheap. Again, it was 2020 with Logan Paul and other ewhores shilling to normalfags who were sitting at home trying to find ways to spend their "le stimmy". That's what caused the explosion-- YouTuber makes gay video, news articles with little else to report come out, every fag who was already holding decides to try and pump since they have nothing better to do, equally retarded fags with a random $1000 gift in their pocket create the demand. The influencer cancer was in 2020, it lasted probably two years, but then TPC was desperate to keep the eyes on them so they, PURPOSELY, short-printed several sets in the SS era right before the 25th anniversary (Evolving Skies which was the immediate precursor set) and got their hype machine rolling for the GO expansion and eventually 151, which was the first peak in the newest wave of ridiculous scalping that really began at Silver Tempest. Just like usual, the cattle follow the crowd and decide that they need to have a conniption if everyone else is doing it, and we are here. Today, the normalfags that drove up demand in three successive waves (Go, COVID/Celebrations, 151) are gone and all that's left is the incestuous pit of scalpers scalping product to each other.
>>59212275>>59212335Continued:Pocket is only as popular as it is because it's literally the only way most people can actually experience the TCG, whether they spend money or not. When f2p see a bunch of middle aged Mexicans and zoomers brawling at Costco over cards, they then reason it's a better idea to spend their $5 on gacha than risk their lives over physical. Yes, the initial launch did put eyes back on physical just as it seemed like SV era would be the end of the madness, but by then the only people who were scalping were the same "investors" sitting on their horde of SWSH junk.Again, TPCi has purposely driven this demand by repeatedly refusing to implement real limits or punishments for retailers or meaningfully upping their print runs. And that has caused the record breaking numbers for Pocket, as mid level players can't break into the real game any more.
The grand irony in all of it being that cards produced by TPCi are incredibly low quality slop
>>59212341>because it's literally the only way most people can actually experience the TCG, whether they spend money or notMost local game stores actually have loaner decks for pokemon. The card game has historically been one of the cheapest around on a competitive level because those who collect cards and rip packs are different audiences from those who buy singles and play the game. The most expensive cards are rarely the most competitive cards.
>>59212349Just like the mainline games.
>>59212349Unlike the mainline games.
>>59212341pocket's also just more approachable than a paper TCG could ever be. you open the app and they just give you free cards and a free deck, you can fight the computer with your crappy ass deck until you get the hang of the game, etc.with the actual paper TCG you need to buy in first, and then all you can do as a newfag is fight other people who are way better at the game than you. if you don't have a friend who's already into the game and willing to sit down and teach you, you're kinda fucked.
Had a scalperbro ahead of me in line at Dollar General a few weeks ago. Was going to purchase everything they had and turned around and because he’s “a good dude” he “let” me buy a single pack.
I used to open all my cards. Now I buy it when I see it and keep it sealed. I hate it.
>>59212764this actually happened
You cucks all missed the boat, sorry to say! People who really grew up with and cared about these cards had the disposable income to buy them in the 2010s when they were inexpensive. I'm a fucking retail slave and bought hundreds of cool cards from 2014-2019. People complaining are either scalpertards mad they can't cash in their ""investments""" or latefags desperate to pretend they were there. If you EVER sold a childhood card you aren't a real fan. If your entire vintage collection was bought decades later, you aren't a real fan. You secondary cucks will NEVER know what it's like to get home from Starbase with two packs of Neo Destiny in your hands and pull Shining Raichu and Shining Charizard back to back. You zoomers will never know the feeling of hitting the Wizards store at the Danbury Mall and getting holo Venusaur before stopping at the WB Studio store and getting an Official Pokemon League hat.I laugh at the explosion in interest, my cards which I'll never sell will become infinitely more valuable and sought after. People will beg and claw for my lived experiences, desperate to feel like they can relive them.
>>59212962You okay, bro?
>>59212971>she's seething I love knowing I filled in my collection when I had the chance, these cards always meant something to me, unlike you fairweathers.
>>59212335>>59212341those faggots caused a run on cards, yes, but that's not what is currently happening you might as well be blaming red and blue for the popularity of the current TCG expansions, that's old news
>>59212987I'll take that as a no then.No need to be so upset, bro.
>>59212987>shelmfao
>>59212752PTCGL exists bro what are you even posting
>>59212988Reddit spacer, I don't think you even read the posts that you replied to. The influencer wave never ended, because TPCi kept stoking more flames before it had burnt out. It's not like it was, where Pokemon came and went and there were years in between. The current market of cards has been in hell since 2020 without a break: first it was vintage that got swallowed then it quickly moved to modern and it has remained that way. >>59212996>>59212999You girls sure sound upset.>>59213004Like I said earlier, people blaming Pocket are genuine retards who don't know the TCG at all. All it might have done is given physical cards a small boost at the beginning by getting eyes back on the game.
>>59213012
>>59213012I know the tcg more than you because I actually play the game. You could get any set from the sword and shield block to surging sparks in any store when they released with no effort. There was no influencer shit going on, if if there were, it wasn't hitting. Cards were available everywhere, no lines, no scalpers. 151 wasn't worth shit until surging sparks drew people back in. ETBs and premium collections rotted away on shelves for months. You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Pocket gave people the desire to collect again and is responsible for the current state of the game. Anything else is flat out wrong.
>>59213036You're lucky you're not dead.
>>59210743Yeah I've seen kids get pushed over and injured due to scalpers pushing them away just to secure more product
>>59213044Based. Fuck them kids. Pokemon is for adults
>>59213089Asshole
>>59213093>NOOOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN CHILDERINOS
>>59213036>"""TCG PLAYER""" (transsexual) tries to talk about the collector's marketNews flash, Pokemon has never been a game where players dictate the market values of cards. It's a collector's game first and foremost, so no, it is YOU who doesn't know what's happening. Swsh sets sat around because they had no collector's value, at the time the influencer wave was tilted towards vintage as were most serious collectors (even today). TPCi intentionally printed LESS cards starting with Evolving Skies as a response to both a lull in sales and as a way to juice up hype. Celebrations could be had cheaply for a long time, but it was after it released and SWSH actually got nice cards that people realized Evolving Skies hadn't been printed widely and was being mostly hoarded. Then the rest of the hoarding took hold. Silver Tempest was impossible to get as boosters. People weren't buying the fucking promo box sets because they're overpriced for the amount of packs you get, they don't appeal to anyone except people desperate and brown enough to buy anything that says PTCG on it. 151 was worthless... In ENGLISH because all collectors know TPCi modern is crap. The Japanese cards were expensive immediately though they went up over time. Right away you could expect to spend triple digits on the starter's SIRs. Took them years to get enough product out to make people not care. By the time Pocket came out barely a 18 months ago the whole thing was already fucked. Modern was hoarded and scalped. 151 was through the roof. Vintage had peaked and cooled off but not much, the new Vintage was already EX-era onwards. You could not realistically acquire a simple booster pack at retail at MSRP to try for a pull. Pocket made it worse at first but nobody, I mean nobody, gave a fuck about Surging Sparks. SV era was a collector's FLOP until they finally leaned into nostalgia with Eevees and owner's Pokemon.
>>59212962>>59213012>>59213102>she has to write walls of text as an ego defense, thinking we gon read allatlol
>>59213112>I'll pretend to be black! That'll prove I'm not a fucking retard!Kek
>>59213102Practically all nonsense, good luck to you collectorcuck.
>>59213138You can’t make me do either of those things so i guess you’ll just have to seethe :)
>>59213144kek based
>>59213102>"""TCG PLAYER""" (transsexual)Calling someone who actually plays the card game you collect cards from a tranny is the most 4chan thing I can think of. Thank you anon this made my day.
>>59213144>>59213148>self-identified tranny samefagFuck off and stop shitting up a good thread faggot
>>59213152>she's this defensiveembarrassing
>one guy spitting straight facts who didn't overpay for cards got people so butthurt it derailed the whole thread Is there any low that so-called investors won't sink to?
>>59213102
>>59211888They've tried. purchase limits. physical vending machines to curtail en masse scalping. Trying to massively produce packs in bulk to oversaturate the perceived demand so normal people can still try to get packs. And you'll still have these shambling ghouls waiting outside Walmart doors at the crack of dawn or waiting to ambush delivery drivers. Or you have people on the inside using scales to see if any gain in marginal weight has a chance at rares.
>>59213207They really haven't tried enough, though. Everything you listed is just lip service essentially, nobody stands to profit more from insane hype/scarcity than TPC.They claim they can't increase print runs to the extent they actually need to because they don't want to ruin the collectors fun, but the truth is that they just want the money and free press. If they cared, they would crack down on vendors, yes, even big box stores, for allowing this shit to happen: "Clean it up or you aren't selling our products." Maybe Walmart and Target would tell them to fuck off, but game stores would have no choice but to capitulate.
>>59212166>Shonen Jump issues are collector's itemsThey're not even that. Old manga issues are piss cheap because there's no collector market for them in Japan. Nips collect reprints of the specific series they like, not giant phone book anthologies of stuff they don't care about.
>>59213224And now you see why the Japanese despise gaijin buying up their inexpensive old shit that they treat holistically and turning it into some hypebeast slop. Hard-Off is all but ruined.
>>59213229Yeah, it hurts the video game market there, but it's not going to do much to the manga market. There's no culture for collecting old magazines, and collected editions get reprints when they sell out. Everyone that wants to own the early Dragonball and One Piece stories physically can buy them just as easily as anything else.
>>59213242True, aren't the Dragon Ball Kanzenban editions still in print today? And even if you want the original covers, they just released dual-cover tanks.
>>59213265Specific limited edition versions may not be in print, but in general, manga series stay in print and can be bought at any time, there's never a need to go hunt down shit that was only ever on sale in May 1982 to read the next chapter of a series.
>>59213302Well yeah, but American comics are the same way. You don't need Action Comics #1 to read Superman, but there's still a strange insistence on placing value on such things. Whereas nobody cares about the debut of anything in a manga anthology. Is it simply that they're printed in such shit quality? Or is the American mind that warped?
>>59213314>Well yeah, but American comics are the same wayNo, it wasn't until the mid 2000s that regularly reprinting everything became the norm. American comics culture was big on collecting because for the longest time, you had to collect old ass floppies just to read the stories in them.
>>59213314It wasn't until like 2010 you could read Captain America issue 11 without buying a comic book from the early 1940s.
>>59211888> So basically the cards have turned into a physical crypto system?Its a tcg. Always was.>people that actually want to buy the cards just to playThey were always scammed.>buy one or two packs at a storeThat's worth nothing if you really want to actually boost your game. They did address the issue by saying they'd print more to save face.
>>59213314Its because the manga industry is actually an industry.
>>59211103 this shit will the currency of the future. mark my words
>>59213223To be fair, if they increased print runs all that would do is increase scalpers inventory.I don't even know why scalpers buy it. They must be losing a crap ton of money if they open the packs, and I doubt many people are overspending on them either. The profit margins must be abysmal.
Local game shop got broken into not that long ago and the only thing they stole was Pokémon cards even though the Magic cards right next to them had a far greater resale value.
If I'm being honest there is not a single card I can justify spending over $500 on. I'd rather buy 5 cards for $100 instead.
Worst thing about the Pokemon hoarding craze is that it fucked up all other cards as well.Boomers will literally see "trading card" and immediately believe the thing they're holding is gold. Case in point: the long dead and pretty awful Harry Potter TCG, which I got back into collecting for the cool artwork in 2022. At that time, you could buy a sealed booster box for about $70 and I ended up getting one... Now? They're listed at $300+! For a game nobody gave a fuck about and really still don't!>>59216419Same brother, I don't understand some of the "grails" people get themselves hyped up over. At some point it's just way too much money to justify, I don't care if you're a millionaire or not.
None of you are talking about how the art got significantly better over the past 2 years. This is also why people are going nuts for them, older designs just weren't that exciting. Now these new ones are genuine works of art.
>>59215885MTG cards are more niche and harder to resell. And there's the possibility that the thief was a collector who just wanted the cards for himself.
>>59216617there's still tons of yugioh, nobody gives a shit about them even though they've finally started making full art cards now too
>>59216647Yu-Gi-Oh has stayed cheap because to their credit, Konami actually takes action to prevent collector scalping from scaring people off the game. Yu-Gi-Oh has had so many amazing reprint sets full of meta staples that TPC should really be ashamed, not having card rotation helps with that effort too. And because Yu-Gi-Oh is a serious GAME that Konami wants people to PLAY unlike Pokemon, unplayable cards stay cheap as they really are just fun bulk. Famous mascot monsters from the series also get dozens of reprints and new arts, ensuring that casual collectors will always be happy as well.
>>59216637They have just as many illustration rares that are pointless as they do gorgeous. And what you posted is all megaslop so it's not justified as the designs are inherently bad (Charizard being the best one somehow).
>>59210743Scalpers and retarded hypebeasts finally killed sneaker culture, so now they've moved on to new grifts like the locusts they are. It doesn't help matters that Pokemon itself has become progressively more lowbrow and retard-coded ever since Masuda was forced out of the director's chair during gen 6.
In Latam a girl just got killed to steal her rare pokemon cards:https://www.cnnchile.com/pais/decretan-prision-preventiva-para-los-dos-imputados-por-el-crimen-de-joven-vendedora-de-cartas-pokemon_20260425/
>>59216716>killed sneaker cultureDoes this mean people fucked off and cool shoes can be had for reasonable money?
I have a fantasy of showing up to a restock dressed as a Rare Hunter from Yugioh. Then I challenge the scalpers to a duel with the winner being granted access to the products.
>>59216419My general rule is to never go over €100 for a single, so I'm skipping all the latest chases because it's unthinkable that a card from a set still in print for the next two years should ever cost 600-700.Pic rel are the only exceptions I made when I found good deals in Japan, still I managed to never go over €180 ever (mewtube).
