>only had little impact in VGC>ability got nerfed to the ground regardlesswhy?
>>59214391Because these shillmons were broken, regardless of muh veeegeecee. And needed to be nerfed Oh, not because of balance, it was because they were overshadowing BigZARD
>>59214391GMax Cinderace was good. Greninja was just a collateral damage.
>>59214391Campaignshitter
>>59214401Yeah I remember GMax Cindeace being a lowkey threat in VGC back during SwSh (I think a Jap won a big Japanese tournament with it), unfortunate for Mega Greninja it's just not that great in Champions
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>>59214401It had no placements tho
>IMG_Hi yawntranny
>>59214391Type changing is fucking retarded. It's fine on shit mons like kecleon. But on fast attackers is busted, it's a free choice band for coverage.Cinderace even got banned to Ubers in Gen 8.Even nerfed it's still busted.That shit still makes you over predict shit, STAB high jump kick, sucker punch, gunk shot, thunder punch... That ability is a cancer
>>59214401Nah it's completely mogged by GMax Zard which had both GMax Wildfire and STAB Max Airstream. They probably just nerfed Protean to shill Terra.
>>59214423Yep, Kohei Fujida won the 2021 Japan Nationals with Cinderace, shit was pretty hype, a lot of Japs on twitter still talk about it even today lolhttps://www.youtube.com/live/MIHrV0AJMaA?si=Ew6c46_72hZT17sY&t=30118https://victoryroad.pro/2021/07/19/2021-japan-nats-results/
>>59214440Regidrago was even more impressive desu
>>59214440CinderBased, I'm glad he did something in VGC at least once
The fact status moves change their type is retarded, you can't set up anymore. It should only trigger on attack moves...
>>59214440Why does this not show up in limitless’ stats?
>>59214391Cinderace was a top threat in VGC in Series 1-7. Once the DLC came out and Landorus came back, not so much.
>>59214391Good. Total Protroon death.
Threatened Charizard.
>>59214391Would've led to unintuitive interactions with Tera>>59215049Every starter threatens base Charizard's outdated ass, that isn't an excuse
>>59214391Pretty sure that in Cinderace's case to make it just weak enough so people wouldn't hate it while still being broken. See Mega Blaziken, who failed spectacularly not because it was too weak but because it was too strong so people began to hate it
>>59214391>CinderFLOP
>>59214391Despite the increasing focus in VGC, they still have an eye in battle spot singles. Gen 8 also saw the introduction of boots for example
>>59214391Cinderace is the best user of it now, since it doesn't activate when he uses a Fire move
>>59215704Do people even run hazards in BSS?
>>59215795Sticky web?
>>59215704Cinderace was so fucking broken in Gen 8 BSS, I think at one point he was the #1 used mon in that format, I expect him to be broken in Champions when they bring back GMax
