https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-18-blast-off.3780475/page-4#post-10970150
Yeah I don’t play that shit anymore. I play Champions now.
>>59217009>Corpse shits itself after being killed and buried by CHADpionsOk
>>59217009i'm genuinely of the opinion that if a legendary has a niche in ubers but extreme usage in ou it should just be banned anywayanyways play natdex doubles white man, you do not have to deal with the bullshit of champions nor that of the latest singles bullshit
No thanks I play champions.
>>59217009>eleki went from unemployed to a different flavor of unemployedkek
>fanfic resembles the game even lesswow!
>>59217009Why did they ban sleep again? Darkrai and Fairy Femboy Darkrai were already on the chopping block, and literally nothing else was broken with sleep moves. They just made Breloom, Amoonguss, etc. infinitely worse for no reason. It wasn't like the Arena Trap ban where you could bring in Dicklett and score a guaranteed kill. Poliwrath and Gardevoir were still shit with hypnosis scumming.
>>59217032because if the council of trannies don't like it, it gets banned
>>59217009Based
>>59217032Some tranny lost to it so they had to ban it
I don't think the team I was using (since I don't like making new teams) used Tera Blast anyway, but it still feels lame to me. Guessing Dragonite was the real cause, with Kingambit likely being a more distant runner-up.
>>59217032>Fairy Femboy Darkraimorelull
>>59217009>smogon bans another generational gimmicklmao
Why do I have to go back to phantom force...
these retards still seething about kingambit and kyurem?
>>59217009BRINGHERBACK
>>59217027Hey Verlisify
>>59217010>>59217016>>59217019>>59217027Holy try hard. Shartpions is a turd floating in the toilet
>>59217157I genuinely don't understand how this thing learns dragon claw but not shadow claw.It doesn't learn shadow sneak despite being a fast ghost, while a bunch of shit gets it, but gets sucker punch for some reason
>>59217503It probably wouldn't use Shadow Claw even if it did learn it. 70 base power is embarrassing.
>>59217009Isn't the amount of votes needed to ban something around 70%? How did this pass?
>>59217503Woah there, you can't smack Tapu Lele and instagib her, we need to shill the fairies!
People used to joke about Smogon going full retard, but it actually started happening back when they banned Baton Pass. Since then it's been getting worse and worse.- Baton Pass- Bright Powder- King's Rock- Sand Veil/Snow Cloak- The entire SLEEP statusNone of these needed to be banned. Baton Pass is an extremely predictable meme strat inherently balanced by low distribution, only garbage mons getting it, and the move only being as useful as the moveset and other characteristics of the Pokemon that has it. Like yeah, Ninjask can pass Attack/Speed, but now you have to bring Ninjask to OU (lol). Route 1 ass bugs can pass Quiver Dance to Sheer Force Nidoking, but now you have to bring fuck ass Venomoth to OU. The devs knew what they were doing. The banning of Baton Pass also drastically reduced the effectiveness of Shedinja and ALL of the Eeveelutions by removing their only pivoting move.Full Baton Pass also INSTA loses to Curse, Haze, Encore, Perish Song, Mold Breaker, Psych Up, Heart Swap, etc. Prankster mons quite literally dab on you the whole battle. Infiltrator mons (Dragapult) AND Sound attacks totally ignore your precious Substitute. Toxic Spikes wrecks your whole game plan requiring constant switching, and breaks your BP chain by forcing your into your Poison type (if you have one) over and over, out of order, multiple times throughout the battle. And these are just the forms of counterplay I can remember. There are many others.Bright Powder, King's Rock, Sand Veil, and SLEEP moves are obviously fair and legitimate strategies. Some fuck ass moderator lost to them in a tournament, and suddenly they were banned. I'm surprised this blatant tyranny went unnoticed, but these are Pokemon fans, I suppose.
>>59217633And Roar + WhirlwindInstant ggThe only recourse is to bring fuck ass NU mons like Espeon/Mr Mime"SO BROKEN ERMAGERD, MUST BAN SO WE CAN KEEP PLAYING 1000 TURN STALL" (yes stall still exists retard, now it features a fat fuck catfish and stone golems)
>>59217633niggas really be saying "just use ghost type curse lol" like bp teams aren't packing magic bounce and "just set hazards bwo" like boots don't existfor as retarded as smogon is somehow the smogon derangement syndrome retards are even dumber
>>59217633I think it started with the banning of Cacturne (I'm not sure if it was Smogon) because people couldn't endure having an unoptimized Aerial Ace over HP Flying and losing 15 points of power in a move.
>>59217633>Bright Powder>King's RockWait, did smoggies really ban King's Rock? lmao. And they honestly expect people to take them seriously. What a joke.
>>59217032Because sleep is a stupid fucking mechanic, alongside Freeze and Paralysis.I hope Finch loses an important game to fucking parahax or freezehax so Showdown will finally get rid of those awful mechanics as GameFreak is just reluctant to do so for some reason.
>>59217696it was banned because of cloyster abusing it with skill linkthey SHOULD have just banned cloyster but modern omgon are a bunch of trannies who prefer to ban items and mechanics instead of pokemon
>>59217668baton pass teams also rain ingrain in addition to magic bounce so they can't be phazed out
>>59217703I mean, why ban either when counterplay to the strategy in the form of Knock Off is not just common but a staple of the meta?
>>59217715because knock off is an attack and the problem with the item is that it stops you from attacking? cmon bro don't be a retard
>>59217633>>59217696>>59217703This is the Pokemon equivalent 10 year olds crying about Smash players turning off items and playing on Final Destination.
>>59217633i don't want to live in a world where i instantly lose for having something that can't OHKO bulky polteageist up front otherwise it just shell smashes and baton passes and i lose. baton pass chain teams are nothing compared to just running one really good passer and enough recipients that the other guy just can't respond.
These threads are just the same bullshit.>Kujo calls everyone a campaignshitter>Little Timmy cries because Smogon banned his crutch strategies>Decent players laugh and mock these 2 then leave because Kujo and Little Timmy can't have proper conversation>Jannies do nothing like lazy faggots they are
>>59217032Because they didn't want to admit to being wrong. They thought Darkrai would be fine in OU, it tore everything up with Hypnosis, and then they doubled down with "um actually Sleep is unfair when it's on good, fast pokemon" instead of just correcting the direct issue
>>59217633great bait, successful troll
>>59217009Why banned the move that allow you to take advantage of your new typing? What kind of retards are they?
>people who play agree on bans>people who have never touched showdown ever cry at any sort of banhow come this is the case?most things somgoner ban do make sense, and even the ones that don't like ability ban banning entire shitmons kinda do if you look at the reasonings, but no one at veepee bothers thinking and only reactscould it be that /vp/ is actually sorta dumb?
>>59217790Nah. He's right. Let's not act like Baton Pass strategies are this impassable wall. They aren't. Baton Pass is objectively easy to dismantle with the right tools. The issues come from the fact that these tools are generally only good against Baton Pass and bad into everything else. Smogon seems to despise strategies that require their own niche counterplay. Another example. Shadow Tag and other trapping abilities/attacks get cucked by Shed Tail. Yet Shadow Tag is still banned even though clear and obvious counterplay exists, it's just the counterplay is specific to Shadow Tag and a few other niche attacks/abilities. And that's not even considering soft counters like U-Turn.You can argue whether or not these strategies have a place in competitive battling but the fact still remains that these strategies do have counterplay.
>>59217633Why do retards like you still exist in 2026?All that shit has been tried and tested to exhaustion and it's being busted and uncompetitive every time. And by people on an incomprehensible higher skill level you will never ever come close to. I bet you're unironically verlisify, the furry loser who won one mall tournament by spamming minimize with a drifblim.
>>59217815>>people who play in a sandbox agree on bans>>people who have never touched this sandbox ever laugh at people playing in the sandboxfify
>>59217816all those words just to admit that you're quite dull and don't know much about comp
>>59217816>Baton Pass is objectively easy to dismantleThis is the most fucking retarded take I've read here.
>>59217815I used to play smogon singles on showdownI thought their bans were lame so I went to playing VGC on cart. Now I get to use a fun mon like Annihlape while you sit here defending the absolute retardation that was banning him because Primape also gets rage fistBut it unironically doesn't matter. You can keep having fun with your mickey mouse format. I will keep having fun with my format, the only one that's actually worth a damnNo one is going to willingly get into Smogon singles when their bans are so heavy handed and eliminate most of the fun shit that gets introduced in a gen
They should have just banned tera... So many unnecessary bans would have been avoided.
>>59217157Take the Astonishpill>boosted to 90 BP by Tera Ghost + STAB>30% flinch chance to cheese the things that are 3hkos where they were 2hkos with TB>24 PP vs TB's 16 so you don't have to worry about PP Stall as much>Your opponent has to live with the fact they lost to a guy running a 30bp move as their main STAB
Regieleki isn't even gonna stick in UU let alone OU, poor bastard is going straight to NUBL
>>59217854You'd be better off running a 90bp non-stab move...
>>59217009Better than banning tera. This game would be unplayable without it, as seen in Champions.
>>59217870shut up
>>59217880Sorry anon, I think having standards is a good thing.
>smogontards think screens are broken nowEl oh el
>SV is 4 years old and dying>perfect time to just let the meta stabilize>hmm.. let's ban one of the game's most defining movesEmbarrassing cuck format
>>59217848weak bait, apply yourself
>>59217904>defininglmao stupid
>>59217903Yet light clay is legal.You are schizo fighting imaginary people in your head
>>59217009I'm not playing the Chess.com tier soulless barely animated sprites move across a screen. I'm playing Pokémon.
>>59217633Espartha is good and gets baton pass.
>>59217848>I thought their bans were lame so I went to playing VGC on cart. Now I get to use a fun mon like AnnihlapeAnd yet you can't use mythicals or lvl50+ mons or more than one copy of an item.It's insane how VGCturds complain about arbitrary rules while playing a format entirely made of arbitrary rules, but shittier because there are no lower tiers so you have to stick to incineroar amoongus slop teams.
>>59217964check the discussion thread, theres essay posts about screens now
>59217971excellent bait post
>>59217703There's nothing wrong with Cloyster. It's not even good lol. Unless your whole team underspeeds (and it's still 50/50 with King's Rock). Oh but of course this is joke tier singles which is unplayable on cart with the switching animations.
>>59217010This. Why would I play someone's cheap fanfic when there's an official option?
>>59217009ngl, my ONLY issue with modern smongon is that they're banning stuff from the earlier gens. like, that's an untouched meta, why are you doing that? ..granted, it was gen 3 that was affected the hardest, and gen 3 is hot ass, but still. like, competitive gens 2 and 4 are beautiful, but hopefully they won't be affected.imagine if they banned sleep in gen 2, that'd be like banning tera blast in... gen 9......ohno-
>>59217971There are teams winning masters without Incelaroar. Amoongus isn't a fursuit there's nothing wrong with it.Megas create better meta diversity than the horrendous Dynamax mechanic, as almost all are viable in SOME way and so you have whole teams built around a Mega, and the best partners can be different as a result.
>>59217817>people who can't beat 90% of the game's content>incomprehensible higher skill level
>>59217726This guy obviously got swept by Pimpnite using a baby Pokémon.
>>59217009Should've just banned Tera
>>59217027Can you use Choice Specs in Champions?
>>59218209But then the council wouldn't be able to use Tera as an excuse to ban more things they don't like
>>59217685>>59217817>Strategy is exceptionally good against stall>Smogon council bans it AND runs a constant smear campaign telling everyone it was problematic for every playstyle and "over centralizing" to convince retards to do their arguing for themTale as old as time.
>>59217489Stay malding bancuck
>>59217971>or more than one copy of an item.Behold the diversity of hold items with no item clause!>Heavy Duty Boots>Heavy Duty Boots>Heavy Duty Boots>Heavy Duty Boots>Heavy Duty Boots>Choice Scarf
>>59218297If everyone has HDB then setup will lose prominence thus lowering the benefit of HDB
>>59217834Haze kills Baton Pass strategies dead.
Funnily, Sneasler, Kingambit and Basculegion are broken in Champions for the same reason they are broken in Smogon OU. They pretty much even run the same fucking moves barring Protect. To show how shit SV balancing was.
>>59218325>”Broken” because they’re good Pokemon
>>59217815It’s a similar case with Smash.Little timmies absolutely despise rulesets, especially rules that try limiting luck based elements.When Smogon bans Evasion, that’s them banning the strategy that got timmy to win 3 times in a row on ladder. The highest win streak they had.And because they’re little kids, they’ll project their 1053 elo onto someone like Blunder or Freezai who are actually good at the game but understand why giving your opponent a 30% chance to even hit you on 99% of moves might ever be seen as uncompetitive.The ironic thing is they’ll call Smogon tyrants for being things their democratic community voted on banning, but will worship GameFreak and Nintendo as unable to do any wrong despite VGC making rules up on whims or how a Pokemon GO player got his wins revoked for “unsportsmanlike behavor” and even investing themselves after backlash.Sad thing is that while most actually go up and later realize how stupid they were, some become Libertarians.
>>59218287Baton pass does not break stall as it run haze and unaware.
>>59218297Found the campaignshitter.Without wall breaking a team will never pass 1200 unless it's stall, with still runs toxic orb and Rocky helmet
>>59217726Then don’t play competitive pokemon.This is the shit I don’t get. Like imagine EVO just banned Ken because they decided DP was imbalanced. Bro nobody fucking cares, you are not game developers. The game exists as it exists, your tool is an offline practice simulator for people who are interested in playing the actual game. Like why not just change Pokemon while you’re at it? Hey, Flutter Mane is too good, let’s just take 25 points off its Special Attack. Iron Valiant is too good, let’s take Hypnosis out of its movepool. Fishious Rend is too good, let’s nerf its BP to 55.If you’re playing a pokemon battle simulator, you should be simulating pokemon battles. The point is to get easy practice for how REAL battles would feel and test teams. REAL battles permit sleep, and evasion, and baton pass, and whatever else. Nobody gives a fuck if you think they’re “uncompetitive”, you aren’t in charge of balancing the fucking game.
>>59218378>equating pokemon, a game built on RNG, to smash, a game with minimal rng
>>59218401OU is just a format. If anyone actually feels this way then just go and play AG or BSS.
>>59218409>Ban items, one of the core mechanics of Smash Bros serie’s entire identity as a party game>This is fine>Ban 94 stages for having the most minor of problematic aspects like having a tiny wall in a game with 103 stages>This is fine>Ban 2 moves that let you increasing become less likely the more you spam it, 4 moves that instantly kill you with their only balancing mechanism being dice roll, an ability that passively gives you randomized stat boosts, and 3 items (and their clones that function identically) that also passively let you get free turns at random and can literally just avoid the counterplay>There are 300+ abilities, 900+ moves, and several dozens of held items>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN’T JUST DO THAT YOU’RE GOING AGAINST THE CORE IDENTITY OF THE SERIES!!>Gamedevs nerf “core mechanics” that you otherwise couldn’t have a gentalmen’s agreement to banning them>*cricket noises*
>>59217732But I have to say the buzzwords for a game I don’t actually engage with :(
>>59217815A lot of /vp/ did play back in gen 6. But then Smogon's mentality went from "only banning shit that's unanimously agreed to make the game absolutely unbearable" to trying to curate a specific metagame balance.
slopgonsisters…
>all this seetheWhy can't smoggies take criticism?
>>59218430Sure, and that’s fine as far as it goes, but it isn’t what OU is supposed to be. OU is supposed to be “overused”, it was a tierlist that represented the pokemon you were mostly likely to see in an ACTUAL match because of their power or utility. The original (I’m talking back in the days of and before Shoddy Battle, never mind Showdown) purpose of the narrow mechanical bans was just for time, it was agreed that stuff like OHKO strats or evasion strats were a meme that statistically lost more than they won and mostly only existed to be irritating. Practicing against them was deemed irrelevant in terms of actual competitive play because they weren’t a winning strategy, they were basically just trolling/shitposting designed to annoy rather than come out on top.That original stated goal has metamorphosed from “helping you recongize and prepare for the stuff most likely to actually stare you down when you go battle another player” to “house rules that the smogon council thinks make a better game than actual Pokemon”, it’s literally just their little fangame dex at this point and they’re like half a generation away from changing stats, typings, moves, adding fakemon, and all the other usual ROMhack shit that shitters add when they decide that Pokemon would be a better game when they’re in charge.>just play BSSRight, exactly. That’s not a Smogon format and their gay banlists don’t apply. BSS and VGC are actual competitive pokemon formats and are to be taken seriously. “Tera blast is banned!” is a decision to be laughed at heartily from the sidelines.
>>59217009>Smogon bans Tera Blastfucking kek. theyre never beating the fanfic allegations
Now that I think about it, any pokemon can tera ghost and ignore Shadow Tag and Arena Trap.
>>59218554>Right, exactly. That’s not a Smogon format and their gay banlists don’t applyThen what’s the problem? OU was already a fake tier when it didn’t allow certain Pokemon deemed too overpowered like Mewtwo or Kyogre. Showdown is the battle simulator, not Smogon. If you still want to use it to prepare for “real battles” then you can use Showdown for just that by queuing for VGC or BSS.
>>59217009>still playing Smogonwhy?
>>59217027So where are the 6v6 battles in Champions?
>>59218729>Then what’s the problem?There isn't one? We're just talking about how Smogon and their banlists are stupid. And how players who only want to "play Pokemon" with a bunch of made-up rules that have no bearing on the actual game of Pokemon should maybe consider playing a game that they actually like, instead of trying to lop mechanics and content off of the game until it becomes the thing they want it to be, rather than the thing it actually is.
>>59218740>So where's my fanfic format in the official game?
>>59217027>Bans half the pokèdex and items and doesn't even allow the current gen gimmickChampionsissies...
>>59218744Huh?
>>59218744Wha?
>>59218744Ehh?
>He FLED to another thread: >>59218632KEKAROOOOOO
Damn, this surely while affect cartridge playing
>>59218744Hrm?
>>59218744Erm?
>>59218744Um...
>>59218750>>59218755>>59218763>>59218769>>59218775>campaignshittery
>>59218750>>59218755>>59218763>>59218769>>59218775What is the point this person is trying to make?
>>59218782So why haven't they changed the campaign to be exclusively performed in 3v3 Singles or 4v4 Doubles? They want casuals to get into PVP, right? Why not actually teach them how PVP works by adapting its formula into the campaign instead of the false belief that Pokemon is "meant" to be conducted in 6v6 battles?
>>59218747>champions out of nowhere Mind broken. But now that you bring it up, champions is the platform for official pokemon battles. SV? Old derelict meta. Smogon? fanfic meta run by troons lmao. WW? Won't even have a meta.
>>59218791>nooooo my children's game needs to teach me how to play!!!!Just read the rules, mornon.
>>59218796It's generally a good idea to teach your playerbase how the game actually works so they don't get false beliefs of how Pokemon is "meant" to be conducted, yes.As currently is, all casuals are being thrown into the lion's den while drenched in BBQ sauce. All they know is "use super effective move to win!" and then they get raped by strategies the game never told them about.Even Champions itself critically fails to teach the player real strategy until they've been bullied and mogged by sweats countless times over, its tutorial is the same "use super effective move to win!" bullshit with no mention of what you'll ACTUALLY deal with.
>>59218804Sounds to me like a skill issue, smoggy.
>>59218807Have fun with a playerbase comprised exclusively of autistic sweats who only care about optimizing wins as hard as possible then, I guess. Maybe if they actually taught casuals how to play and fight back, you'd find a much more fun playerbase in Champions instead of dealing with Sneasler, Incineroar, Kingambit, Charizard Y, Aerodactyl, Archaludon, Sinistcha, etc. over and over and over again.
>>59218750>>59218755>>59218763>>59218769>>59218775>>59218781thanks for confirming my theory that the only reason campaignshitters like smogshit is that it makes them feel included without ever having to actually touch PvP a single time
>>59218828See>>59218791>>59218804
>>59218813>describes omgontardery and blames it on the official formatLOL!
>>59218831>M-MY CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO BE LIKE COMPETITIVE!!! I WANT TO BE INCLUDED BUT I DON’T WANT TO SIMPLY PLAY COMPETITIVE BECAUSE I’M TOO AFRAID OF LOSING!!
>>59218813>Cries about Omgon banning Tera Blast like Champion didn't nuke half the format
>>59218855Champions didn’t “nuke” anything. It’s a brand new format.Meanwhile smogshit takes existing formats and butchers them to the point of unrecognizability.
>>59218855Not in the game yet =/= banned from the game
>>59218850See>>59218813
>>59218888>the playerbase for the competitive mode….is competitive? AIEEEEEEE THIS CAN’T BE!!!
>>59218891The casual touch could force autistic sweats to mix up their strategies and keep the meta from turning stale because casuals think and play differently from sweats, often times finding strategies that no one else would even dare to consider because it sounds ludicrously inefficient in their spreadsheets and calculators.But because at no point does Pokemon teach the casual how to actually survive PVP, they'll just lose over and over again, get frustrated, and quit.
Edgar clause seems like a more reasonable ruleset by the day
>>59217703>King's Rock is fine when not held by Cloyster>Cloyster is fine when not holding King's Rock Remind me again why they're so against just banning the use of specific combos like this?
>>59218897It wouldn't even be that complicated, outside of brute force strategy the only heads up one would have to get are about redirection and fake out
>>59218911Because it opens the floodgates to having to apply a gorillion "complex bans" that no one wants to put up with.Eventually you end up with the logic that "Shadow Rider Calyrex is acceptable in ZU as long as it only knows Pound and holds a Toxic Orb".
>>59217720Nigga cloyster has base 70 speed, what buttfucking mongrelmeta are you playing where that is good enough to prevent reasonable counterplay
>>59217854>90 BPWrong. Tera boosts it to 60, then, as it is a tera of a type it already is, the stab gets boosted 2× instead of 1.5×. Astonish is hitting 120 BP.
>>59217009Still works on my pc
>>59217699True, sister.I hope critical hits, non 100% chance secondary effects and non 100% accuracy moves are next !
>>59217633>Toxic Spikes hard counters Baton PassYou suck at Pokemon.
>>59219049
GUYS THEY KEEP BEING MY TEAM STOP THEM I CANT CHANGE WHO I BRING THATS IMPOSSIBLE
>>59219049bro has literally never heard of shrlyl smash in his lifeof course the retards saying it's fine have literally never even played rhe fucking game lmaocliyster has literally only been a shell smaher and nothing else for 15 years nowshell smash cloyster is probably older than this tard i'm replying to
>>59219177shrlyl
>>59217699>the entire game should be glass cannon megas trading OHKOs
>>59217971incin is aggressively mid in this reg and more and more tournies are coming out where its usage is further down.
>>59219049there's only a handful of things that outspeed a +2 cloyster without prior setup and most of them suck balls or are one time use like booster valiant.
>>59219193That’s what defensive Pokemon are for.
>>59218804People these days just can't deal with the prospect of learning from a loss, apparently.
I was browsing smogon and holy shit it is dead. The champions general probably has more activity than the entire forum together. What the fuck
>>59217815Tera Blast was never a problem, it's dragonite abusing it but noooo can't ban an OU staple and fringe pokemon like frosmoth, moltres-g and polteageist have to suffer
>>59217946That's the thing, it was just a filler move for mons who had lacking movesets. Fagonite the faggy dragonsaur was the only mon it was problematic on
>>59219102WoW has a Pokemon-like mini game. When it first came out the moves had accuracy, but people complained so they changed it so nearly all moves had 100% accuracy, but variable base power. The idea being instead of 100 power 80 accuracy, you have 60-100 power 100 accuracy. You do the same average damage across 100 turns, but there's less variance. Smogon should consider a mod like that. Like, they're already playing modded Pokemon with things like the Freeze and Sleep Clause, why not just mod the moves too to make them more balanced?
>>59218897If you don't think the autists aren't pouring over every Pokemon in the format looking for niche counters to current meta picks, you are mistaken. Aerodactyl, a Pokemon that hasn't seen usage anywhere since Gen 4 OU, is now a top pick in VGC M-A because of how well it matches up into the current metagame. Heliolisk is trending because it hard cucks Basculegion. You don't need casuals to find success in niche picks. In fact if anything they're less likely to because even if they do find one good Pokemon, the chance they or their teams will be good enough to win is so low means it would go under the radar anyways.
>>59218492>fanfic rulemakers are faggots who ban anything they don't likeand? You're just proving my point.
>>59220205That’s literally every single competition. Everything banned in a competition is something something most people don’t like.
>>59220238>literallynot literally. just the ones with some unfortunate heavy RNG in default settings and the ones that allow complete faggots to establish a "council" so they can flex power over others for once in their lives like a reddit mod
>>59219995every forum that isn't an image board is completely dead anon. the smoggies are all huddled up in their dilatecords instead
>>59218540They usually ban it.
>>59220256Nope. It’s every competition.In fact “I don’t like X” is the foundation of every law and rule ever made.
>>59220538>NopeYou need to go back
>>59217009>Makes dynamax gigantmax terratizlize mon only to drop their compatability and make entite generations of mon obsolete with their regular statsWhat pokemon needed was an entire rebalance not more crap
Why you niggas care so much for a metagame that you DON'T PLAY
>>59220566It's fun to make fun of losers
They killed tera flying Thundurus… now I have to move to hurricane Zapdos…
>>59218744Retard
>>59219995Gen9 is fucking garbage. Garbage gimmick, garbage busted cheap mons like kingambit and Ogerpon and more importantly this shit has lasted 4 years
Terastal confirmed that singles is godawful switch faggotry mindgames
>>59220640We don't sign our posts here.
>>59220566Because smogtards infest every facet of discussion of the actual games and constantly pretend they're relevantIf they stayed in their own little bubble no one would care
>>59220654Yeah singles is fucking awful. I almost wish Colosseum never existed so Gamefreak wouldn't be so sensitive about doubles. We might've had an official all-doubles options if they weren't mogged by a spinoff.
>>59220662This
>>59217790Bait my ass. Smogon actually did this shit.And they went further at some point into voting to ban Nidoking from OU because it countered their whiteknighted Clefable after they banned Naganadel for the exact same reason.
>>59220627>It's fun to make fun of losersThe funny part is that smogon is well respected over the internet while this place is considered for losers
>>59217032Are they going to ban sleep in every generation? What makes sleep broken in Gen 9 OU and nowhere else?
>>59220729>smogon is well respectedNintendo, hire this comedian!
>>59220721>Nidoking banGod remember this. It was back in Gen8 and it was fucking ridiculous. Toxapex keeping banned was ok, but then banned Naganadel, then they went after Nidoking and had already plans to ban Scolipede because the fear for Nidoking's ban led players to use Scolipede against Clefable too. Their Clefable worshipping was so retarded up to the atomic lelvel that they could even ultimately reach the point of banned Poison types altogether.
>>59220741>of bannedbanning*
>>59220627idk man, I wouldn't call making 10 seethe posts "making fun"
>>59220772>local smogtranny cries "rent free"
>>59217854>>59219068you two are idiots lmao tera ghost astonish is only 60bp after both STAB and tera
They're removing all of the tera blast sets on their website as we speak...
>>59217017If people keep putting Incineroar in Tom and Jerry memes I might stop loathing it.
