>Flopped harder than PokkenHoly fucking shit. This was Game Freak's ONE chance to get normalfags interested in VGC and they fucked it up massively. People who actually care about comp are back to Showdown, and campaignshitters/normalfags/etc are back to doing playtrough runs or hunting shinies or whatever.What a garbage game, I am glad it died.
I wonder if this will be another single-console application, like Bank was. They can quietly shut it down after gen 11.
They vastly overrated the appeal of competitive Pokemon to the average consumer. It's literally just building a meta team and guessing.
>>59218334Posted it again award
>>59218334>This was Game Freak's ONE chance to get normalfags interested in VGCThat will be the phone version’s release, the Switch release is a soft launch. That said I don’t think the future looks bright, they don’t seem to be in the right kind of live-service update loop for a game like this which needs a constant drip-feed of new content especially early on to keep players interested.
>>59218371Unless they boost the box size, that dripfeed is going to quickly outpace F2P's storage.
>>59218334How did it flop?
If you reply to this thread seriously you got baited
>>59218371>>59218370They literally told the world what the fuck it's supposed to be, you dumb monkey. VGC comp battling. It's not supposed to be a "live-service" anything, they don't want to "drip-feed" people trinkets to keep them active. They DO know the nerds who showed up to IRL events with their DS', 3DS' and Switches will continue to show up in the events. and it being free means a lot more people may try it than ever entered VGC. But ultimately, they're not banking on it, leaning on it or treating it in fact in any way as /vp/ are assuming they're doing, because they're not copying every other retard free-to-play developer using skinnerbox tactics to retain a playing audience great enough to monetise (can sidestep all the pay bullshit by having a Home account, show me one other f2p game ALLOWS people to ignore paywalls so savagely when their aim and goal is gouge as much money as humanly possible off every stupid fucker that downloads your game). Gonna be hilarious when VGC returns to cart on WW launch for the first few years of THAT generation and the VGC sim's left with its own down year championships.
>>59218371Its a vgc sim, they dont care to make an aggresive update loop for tardsAll they want to do is take vgc out from the main games into somewhere else and thats what they didThey clearly dont care about profits with this one since everything is so cheap and easy to get
>>59218388>It's not supposed to be a "live-service" anythingThen why is it?>they don't want to "drip-feed" people trinkets to keep them activeYes they do. That's all VGC regulations are in the first place, except now it's tied to a gacha.
>>59218390They already have an update loop planned, it's just on a very slow schedule. There are Pokemon and items that were shown off prior to release that aren't in the game yet. They've already announced that new Pokemon will be added over time.
>>59218334VGC will never be relevant
>>59218388You’re a fucking retard. The entire battle pass / recruit ranch / VP and tickets systems exist entirely as key elements of the live service slop model, they provide absolutely ZERO value to the product as a “platform for VGC”, which only needs to function exactly like Showdown functions. Locking shit behind daily grind is a deliberate monetization tactic, it serves no other purpose. It is a skinner box first and a VGC platform second. If you can’t understand this you must have been dropped on your head as a child
>>59218422You are a fucking retardThere is zero grind if you just transfer your mons from home and the monetization is pathetic compared to actual gacha>skinner boxYou dont know what this means, just shut the fuck up eric
>>59218379>Slowest general on the board>Twitch views have TANKED>Youtube videos are drying up, aside from top cut VGCuck playersMassive flop. Especially for a Pokemon game. Also the reviews gave it pathetic scores.
>>59218423>there is zero grind>just grind beforehand
Like i suspected, Champions being succesfull melted their brains.
Nah, the disappointing abilities did. My nigga Drampa will never be good.
all of wolfey's champion s videos are getting 500k-1m viewsshow me a smogon uploader that gets that many views
>smogon derangement out of nowhereGood morning, Kojo. File for MAID yet?
>>59218423>There is zero grind if you just transfer your mons from homeThere’s “zero grind” if you don’t use any of the game’s actual functionality and just treat it as a front-end for SV’s online ladderWell, except for the mega stones and held items. Still have to grind the battle pass for those.And actually also you can’t change your team. Since Champions training is persistent, if you want to change moves or nature or stat spreads on a Champions mon outside of Champions, you can’t, because those changes are discarded in order to remember the changes made in Champions. So you’ll have to grind VP to make any changes to your team at all.So actually, see my prior comment about the dent in the soft spot of your skull from when your mom let you fall at age 1.
>>59218438Wolfey’s running an average of like 700k views per video for Champions content where he ran multiple millions per video for SV comp content. Granted that has more to do with saturation and effort (daily uploads showing 3 battles and discussing basic shit is a lot less entertaining than the 45 minute story of winning a regional tournament with a silly Zoroark team or whatever) but it’s not like Champions has caused an explosion in his popularity.
>>59218424>>Slowest general on the board>pmg has been up for two weeks>pgg was up for over a week>pokespe has been up for over a week>pkp stayed up for over a week>husbando general has been up for three weeks>zzz has been up for for nearly three weeks>nuz has been up for two and half weeks>showderp has been up for over two weeks>shg has been up for two weeks>pug has been up for a week and a half>tcg has been up for over a week>pcg has been up for 19 hours and is approaching bump limit>>Slowest general on the boardWhy lie about something so easy to disprove?
>>59218363This shit runs sub 30 fps
>>59218428It’s not successful though kek, this didn’t even make money unlike the other low effort slop
>>59218459whats even more telling is basically every other poketuber, many of whom proclaimed they were "all in" or something similar for champions, have seen literally zero impact on their performance. cybertron is doing barely better than his older, longer, more infrequent content, moxie boosted is doing actively worse, and pokeaim's champions videos are largely being outperformed by his singles ones.there are individual videos that have done well from each of the above, presumably due to functionally random algorithm shit, but that was true before champions too, and just scrolling through their channels and looking at the trends in views paints a grim picture.
>>59218605How much money is showdown making?
>>59218334Here's a clue for you, Jack. If you need to astroturf how a game is dead day in and day out, odds are its quite alive and kicking. If it was dead, you wouldn't be posting about it endlessly about how dead it was.
>>59218605Smogon banned another generational gimmick btw
>>59218608How much money are you making from Champions?
>>59218616No they didn't.
>>5921861750 a week from my tiktoks
>>59218619>he doesn't know
>>59218624Tera's still in, dumbass.
>>59218616Banning the OP HP was a fantastic decision and should have happened years ago.
>>59218625But Tera Blast isn't.
>>59218633>one move is an entire gimmick
>>59218334poor guy just saw another 2k retweet clip of Champions on twitter and just *had* to make this thread
>>59218637>she thinks tera blast isn't a gimmick
This game is the only time i've been interested in VGC so it did its job.
>>59218334Modern Gamefreak is too predatory for their own good. They assumed that Pokemon would print money forever no matter what, so they went all in on gachashit, subscriptions, and other gay monetization tactics while forgetting how to make games people actually want to play.
>>59218646Tera is the gimmick. Tera blast is a move that supports the gimmick.
>>59218675People want to play Champions thougheveralbeitsondoe.
>>59218646It doesn't use the gimmick UI button, it's not a gimmick. It does interact with the gimmick (like several other moves in the series), but when not in gimmick mode it's just Hidden Power.
>>59218370>If the game is so bad, how come other people also don't like it?! HMMM??
>>59218334A PVP-only game was never going to catch on with normalfags. You're telling them they need to deal with autistic sweats who will ensure the most unfun, RNG-exploiting experience possible because in a game where the only goal is to win to climb the ladder or at least draw to prevent loss of rank, there is no leeway for casual fun, even at the lowest depths of the ladder.
>0 new megas in the top 5>only 3 total in the top 10What a fucking flop lmao
>>59218334>tons of content creators who mostly play showdown churning out content>top level vgc players making content and guides>tons of hype on socials>fan run tournaments with enough players to have to run multiple days>"ISSA FLOPPA"enjoy your bumparooni
>>59218955>>prepping themselves for the possibility of Showdown getting DMCA nuked into a dead playerbase as the community splinters with each successive server death>>rankwhores who desperately need new retards to maintain their ranks against>>manufactured hype by TPCi shills and GameFreak cocksuckers>>easy excuse for top level whores to test their new sets and strategies against scrubs with minimal risk since it's not THE World Championships>>"ISSA FLOPPA"Yes.
>>59218697>when not in gimmick mode it's just Hidden PowerNot even, without terastallizing it's just a normal type attack.
>>59218974>"everything I don't like is fake and a psy op"k e k
I played it for a couple of days. At one point I didn't really want to play, but I considered doing it anyway to clear my dalies. I realized I was just playing a game I didn't like in the hopes it would become a game I did like eventually and quit on the spot.Also nobody in this thread talking about popularity is providing any evidence or speaking in anything other than generalities so you're basically just farting at each other.
First Champions thread I saw in the catalog, didn't read more than a few words from OP. WOW, the skill floor has been raised today, In just the last 12 hours, I've seen a wild increase in skill in ranked, in every tier. My main fell from Master to Ultra, and the matches I've done in Poke and Great are just as tough. Maybe I'm just having a bad luck streak but I think the Skraw tournament over the weekend really solidified the comp nature of Champions. It feels like all the just learnings and scientists are gone and there's just the min maxxers left.
>>59219191But you cant drop out of masterballt. Spams absolute trash to get the ribbon on everyone
>>59218334>play comp game>lose match>spam board with hate threadsReal /v/ behavior.
>>59218974Holy based. Good to see some modicum of inteligence on this board!
>>59218388>can sidestep all the pay bullshit by having a Home accountSidestep right in to more paid bullshit.
>>59218444>e-celeb obsessed retard talking shit about someone elses irrelevant seethingkek>>59218697>gimmick UI buttonIs this a new cope to pretend that gens before 6 weren't gimmick filled?
>>59219651Home is free thoughbeit
>>59219601Holy esl
>>59219197You can get ribbons in champions?
>>59219673>get completely oblitareted in an argument>resorts to buzzwordsLmao. You just admitted you lost.Enjoy your flopped dead game.
>>59218334Daily Shitdown seethe thread #19
>>59219709You can get the master rank (and champion) ribbon but that’s it and it doesn’t transfer out. Works as a title in game for your ribbon master though.
>>59219987Daily Champgayion cope
>>59220016Nothing to cope about. Champions won.
>>59218605Championsisters I'm getting MAD AGAIN!!!
>>59218944ZA was a mistake
all champions proved to me is how much of a shitshow ""competitive"" pokemon is yeah dude 99% of all matches being determined by RNG is conducive to a """""competitive""""" game lol
>>59220187>it's the RNG!!!You're just dogshit at the game.
>>59218600That too. Pretty inexcusable on a console with these specs.
>>59220187VGC has always been a joke, no one takes it serious competitively outside of this fanbase
>>59220213this game drains the switch battery faster than the new resident evil game lmfao
>>59219662>gimmick filledPlease point out the in-battle, button-activated power-up they added with Gen 3 dude. Because from what I saw, until they went 3D and needed to distract children from the fact the pokémon didn't move in battle, they didn't see fit to add in-battle button-activated powerups, much less focus the generation's marketing on them, the way they started doing in Gen 6 and have continued in several new entries to the series since XY (including shoving them in an AU reimagining of a previous Gen 1 game but actually removing them and ignoring their existence in a game set in PokéJapan earlier in the canon series timeline).
Is there a possible way to make pokemon battles satisfying and feel like your favorites can have a chance at winning?
>>59220368>in-battle, button-activated power-upThat's not what gimmick means and even if it was Helping Hand debuted in gen 3.
>>59218616smogon should seriously just alter the code and remove random crits, ban every move that’s not fully accurate, ban damage rolls, among other things the mindless appeal to authenticity for authenticity’s sake just serves to ruin the player experience and make the game uncompetitive
>>59220464Pokémon is similar to poker. It's skill to rig the game into a winning chance %, but ultimately you could still lose when you position yourself into a >50% win chance.
>>59220464>lets make a mindless game even more brainrotted just because
>>59220381Sure. Play any game that isn't "Champions"
>smoggies when Champions is a huge success and the mobile version isn't even out yet
>>59220645>huge successSource?
>>59220187>yeah dude 99% of all matches being determined by RNGWolfey winning multiple tournaments is proof it's skill based.
>>59220652the note i made here
>>59218334i still play it and have fun
>Get normalfags interested in VGCImpossible.Even when you make it "accessible" you still require an autistic level encyclopedic knowledge of Pokemon. No normal person is going to learn speed tiers or invest time into figuring out who is a special/physical attacker. Or even learn the moves each Pokemon can know to best plan out your battle. If they opened up Champions to have everything that VGC could have any normalfags will be even more overwhelmed than they are now. The luck based element is also a massive turnoff to a large amount of people as well. Top all of this off with a community of some of the weirdest people to crawl around the earth and you have normalfag kryptonite.VGC will always be a niche inhabited by a small group of autismos who feel pride in being the best of a small group of autismos. The game is asking for an unreasonable amount of time investment upfront, especially when you can just play chess or poker; or a better designed video game.
For comp pokemon to be appealing, they gotta do something about flinches.Its actually easy, a pokemon can only get flinched once per game.So suddenly timing your flinch moves matter.
Champions Meta is sooooooo fucking boring
>>59221116Good thing it gets expanded upon in about two weeks then.
>>59218334At least give the project to a competent game developer holy shit, why ILCA
>>59220387>moves are gimmicks nowNo, it means "a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade" and given they A) used the addition of ME to market AND merchandise the everliving fuck out of kids and B) established an activation button in-game on the move selection screen (and latterly a dedicated L3 button activation) their versions of gimmicks adhere to these standards. Goes for everything introduced after the establishment of gimmick additions like ME, Z-Moves, Dynamax or Terastralisation. Expect WW's gimmick to similarly follow these tropes right down to the dedicated activation button in-battle.
>>59221156Filler game. The only reason Champions exists is so they don't have to put in as much effort into Winds & Waves by completely removing its own PVP element (because if you could just PVP in that game, it wouldn't demand casuals go play Champions if they want to engage with PVP).
>>59221166I agree, but still, you can definitely make a better game like this. Well the game was already there, your only job is good presentation, and they REALLY failed at that. The "game" first cutscenes lag on Switch 2...
>>59221123Probably will drip feed 5 mons in
>>59218334People are playing this a lot though, even casual players.Where does it says it flopped?
>>59218371We're three weeks into the first season of the new ruleset. The fact M-A is only two months long is silly enough and you want it changed sooner? Regulations should be four months long, minimum. There has to be enough time for a metagame to develop. The "best" Pokemon are still changing weekly right now. We don't need any additions or changes yet.
I'm enjoying the game
>>59221123The next Regulation isn't until June.
>>59221108The Covert Cloak prevents flinching, it's just not in game yet.
>>59221493Best mon really hasn't changed all that much from the word "go". The meta spends a lot of its time countering it.
>>59220381Your options are>play them on showdown in their respective tier where the power level of the other pokemon is equivlant with them. Or in an older metagame where they were stronger.>play a normal game/romhack and use them in the campaign>Get friends and play casual matches with them where everyone agrees to use low power pokemon.>Organize a tourney at whatever your local place is that has some sort of banlist or point system where weaker pokes boost the overall power of your team>just use them in whatever you prefer and outplay your opponents hard enough to make up for the disadvantage
>>59221493>We're three weeks into the first season of the new ruleset. The fact M-A is only two months long is silly enough and you want it changed sooner? Regulations should be four months long, minimum. There has to be enough time for a metagame to develop. The "best" Pokemon are still changing weekly right now. We don't need any additions or changes yet.you do not play, and have never played, vgc
>>59220914Yeah, as long as you and the handful of cum slurping retards can stick your heads in the sand and ignore your shit game's dying fanbase and glaring flaws its ok, because at least YoU aRe HaViNg FuNPathetic
>>59222190But enough about Shitdown
>>59221157>a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or tradeHeld items, double battles, new types. All gimmicks. The whole "dedicated button" thing is irrelevant.
>>59222190Showdown is a joke. Imagine sitting at your PC to play Pokémon like a nerd. Cool kids are lounging in bed with Stacey letting her choose his moves on Switch, or on mobile from the nightclub surrounded by hos.
>>59222247>>59222490Showdown will always be THE place be for competitive Pokemon. It always has been, and always will be. So as long there's ANY grinding involved, Showdown.is.king.The end
>>59222523>Game Freak used DMCA>It's extremely effective!
>>59222550When is that happening, again?
>>59218454>Still have to grind the battle pass for those.No you don't lmao. You get most of the central ones for free and get enough points from the tutorials alone to get everything you'd need for at least one team.>Since Champions training is persistent, if you want to change moves or nature or stat spreads on a Champions mon outside of Champions, you can’t, because those changes are discarded in order to remember the changes made in Champions. So you’ll have to grind VP to make any changes to your team at all.You can make the moveset and nature outside of champions and training isn't much more expensive than items, so again most of your rewards from the tutorials can be used to train a full team and then by the time you want another one you'll have gained enough points from laddering for it.Fucking hell man, don't complain about games you obviously don't play.
>>59222552Who says it hasn't yet and Bitchinator just hasn't broken the bad news
>>59221617mf this guy isn't even in the top 3.
>>592225522 more weeks
>>59222563In usage or capability?We're limited in how many mons are available for support do most teams have a sneasler, gambit, chomp, etc.But Zard Y holds a unique position among megas as being #1 right now, don't even pretend. At first people placed Floette and Zard in S tier, but Floette is not as potent with Sneasler on half of all teams.I am curious though who you believe is putting up better results in tourneys.
>>59218361>gen 11gen 10, you mean? I doubt there will be 2 pokemon gens on the switch 2 with how awful it's selling.
>>59222600You didn't argue "best mega", you argued best mon.
>>59222606>2 pokemon gens on the switch 2 with how awful it's selling.>either the switch 2 or pokemon is selling awfullyOk what are you smoking? The switch 2 is nintendo's fastest selling console of all time and the last two Pokemon games on the switch were both massive successes.
>>59222614It's best mon too, but the usage stat isn't going to tell the story when the pool of support mons are so limited.
>>59222616>The switch 2 is nintendo's fastest selling console of all timeDue to scalpers and oversupply. Every single other console launch sold out, whereas there's such an oversaturation of switch 2's that retailers are putting their own discounts on them to get rid of overstock. Nintendo just recognized the benefits of FOMO demand and priced and supplied accordingly. They probably have already projected they'll have made their money back by a year or two with even weak sales, which is why they're not pumping out exclusives and sticking to rereleases, upgrade deals, aas monetization, and other variegated penny-pinching production. Notably this means it's been successful for them, but it also means short-term and not necessarily sustainable success for them; I suspect they'll release a new system within 3 years, possibly even stagger a new home console + handheld system to renew their previous safety net.So, gen 11 on the next nintendo system, not the switch 2.Even if you disagree with this prediction I'm sure it sounds more reasonable than you assumed based on my initial post.
>>59222557>at least one teamYou’re objectively brain damaged. The only gameplay in Champions is>build team>run matches>change team/build new teamThere’s functionally no gameplay AT ALL if you aren’t actually adjusting teams. The whole point of a battle simulator is that by making it easier to build teams without investing time in training, you can have more fun experimenting.This game fails at literally the only thing it’s designed to do. If I wanted to sit around grinding resources in order to teambuild, what would be the point of Champions? I could have done that in any fucking mainline game from the beginning. The appeal, the value proposition, of a game like Champions is that I don’t have to do that. I can make adjustments freely and experiment.This idea that “you get SOME resources and SOME mons so you CAN win if you just run defaults or copypaste one meta strat and never try anything new or interesting” is fucking stupid, it basically says “you don’t have to do the only part of the game that’s fun” yeah no shit.
>>59222550It's a simulator. So Game Freak has no right doing anything.
>>59222649No you don't understand, the game is actually a number go up simulator, and you're expected to either>aknow what team to pick going in>bspend money immediately to get that team/update your team>cdo both of the above, recurringly.
>>59222653It's a "literally just playing Pokemon" simulator
>>59222523It's just cheap and tacky. Just a chess.com style place to test things to go use in a real game.
>>59222009The first Regional I went to was the 2010 Secaucus Regionals in the end of Gen 4. What was yours, faggot?
>>59223508you trying to claim people don't play on chess.com??
>>59218616Good thing other servers and rulesets exist. Showdown isn't just Smogon, there's much more
>>59223612Yeah but that's legitimately how chess is. It really is just soulless pieces moving across a checkerboard.
>>59223612It would be a good comparison if a cabal of autists decided that on chess.com you can't move your bishops diagonally because it's uncompetitive or some shit
>>59222649>it basically says “you don’t have to do the only part of the game that’s fun”>Playing the game isn't fun, preparing for playing the game is fun
>>59222633>Uh the switch 2 is basically a failure because the only people buying it are scalpers Oh lord save nintendo, their poor dying console just keeps selling but like, in a bad way.This is complete nonsense; the switch 2 is objectively already a fucking success.
>>59223802>basically a failure>>59222633>Notably this means it's been successful for them,You're illiterate.
