When did you stop taking smogon seriously as a format? For me it was when they banned Dynamax.
>>59218803that was good though
>>59218808Nah. It wasn't. Dynamax was balanced. They banned it because it killed stall.
>>59218816nah, it was good
>>59218803
>>59218820Cope however you need to, sis.
Tera is not balanced in singles. Smogon should have banned it entirely instead of just compromising with tera blast because of unplayers like you.
>>59219075>Tera is not balanced in singlesYes it is.
>>59218803>casuals seething so hard about the dynamax ban caused them to not ban tera>the only compromise they made was thislmao
>>59219093Unlike Dynamax, Tera is reasonable.
>>59218803>defending Dynamaxthe smoothest of brains
>>59218816>Dynamax was balancedKek
>>59218803>When did you stop taking smogon seriously as a format?Blaze Blaziken being banned
>>59219246I know, but it’s funny how the anger from people who don’t even play smogon metas influenced their decision making.
>>59219246Objectively stronger gimmick btw.
>>59218803Didn't really happen for me but the worst was Z-moves and megas in NatdexThe point was just to act as if dexit didn't happen but people love their big button gimmicks too muchBanning Dynamax was bold and a proof of their general serious however>>59218816Stall was killed by the PP and move distribution nerfs in gen 8 and 9
>>59218803Through design alone of ratings in battles the developers of the games have basically confirmed on multiple occasions that 6v6 Singles is fucking terrible and takes a long time to do a whole match of.
>>59218803>>59218816
>>59218803When the troons became the majority
>>59218803I never took them seriously
>>59219872This translates to "6v6 singles worked well until the devs explicitly ruined them"I'd stop bitching about doubles if they were 6v6 with the newer games gradually moving to being mostly doubles tooBut they need their tiktoized formats to host more people in tournaments, and mainline is probably moving to real time forever, so this will never change
>>59219872Correct. Imagine waiting for all the animations just for a Toxapex to click Baneful Bunker and then watching swap animations every 10 seconds. It's bad bad bad.
>>59218803>When did you stop taking smogon seriously as a format?Froslass getting banned in DPP literally just because of its ability.Could have made it so you can’t set hail yourself but can freely benefit from Snow Cloak if your opponent brings hail, but no.Also them keeping Jirachi around but banning Machamp because it causes too much RNG. That’s just bullshit.
>>59218803>seriouslyThe ban of FunBro and much later the Flinch item ban were two staples of why Smogon was meant to never take it seriously.Worst case was also them banning ANYTHING that countered Clefable in OU.
>>59220583>banning Machamp because it causes too much RNGI remember this, people in the forums were even banned over questioning how Machamp is considered RNG if it has no Random factor due to always hitting. Finchinator was fuming for being just retarded.
>>59218803Never took them seriously, 2vs2 is skill, 1vs1 is literally for kids
>>59219424>>59220583>Blaze Blaziken>FroslassThe only way to validate these points is to successfully run something like Speed Boost Combusken in SM OU and Snow Cloak Glaceon in DPP UU against high ladder and tournament players, ad nauseamIt worked with Arena Trap Diglett/Trapinch in SM and XY
>>59218803baton pass ban
>>59218803When they banned sleep
>>59221022you can literally play natdex doubles right now and not have to suffer the bullshit of champions
>>59218816>Dynamax was balanced.
>>59222899Correct.
>>59218803It was the sleep ban for me. Choosing to ban a status that has worked fine for 9 generations over banning two OU Pokémon that both had a solid case for being banned to ubers anyways was peak stupidity to me. The problem is that the more they do retarded bans like this, the less newcomers and people outside of the main smogon clique are willing to climb up to an elo where they can vote on these matters, and thus the more the people already up there can circle-jerk and continue taking these dumb decisions that are gonna push more people out of the format.
>>59219872It's Gamefreak's own fault. 6v6 singles could absolutely work as a competitive format with no weird bans or whatever like Smogon does, they'd just have to nerf some stally stuff and make the engine faster. The fact that when you use a move in Champions it still goes>"X used Ababor">*pause*>*animations plays*>*pause*>"It's super effective!">*pause*>"Tentaquil fainted!">*pause*>*animation plays*... Is fucking criminal, i'm exaggerating a bit but it does not need to be this slow
>>59222959I like sleep clause, but banning sleep outright is just dumb.
>>59220583>Could have made it so you can’t set hail yourself but can freely benefit from Snow Cloak if your opponent brings hail, but no.that’s retarded
>>59222994sleep clause was a good compromise yeah
>>59218803I never took competitive Pokemon serious that especially includes VGC
>>59218816>Trapping Moves>Hazards + Knock Off>Just nuke them with a specs/band wallbreaker
>>59218803When it stopped being competitive Pokemon and turned into a circlejerk of fags too scared to lose
>generation mechanic is banned>gen loses identity >won't ban gen 4 Jirachi because muh gen identityDemocracy, not even once.
>>59221063>Arena Trapin XY they banned it without Diglett/Trapinch being a thingIn SM they banned it because ladder players colluded to lose to 300 BST mons because trapping kills stallfags, watch any replay from that era and you'll see shit that even 10 year old timmy would know not to do
>>59223125>smogon>democracynorth korean style democracy perhaps
>>59218803Simply isn't real pokemon, they ban things most of the time not csyse something is broken but cause they're bored and want to shake things up, most of the council voting is them circlejerking their feminine cocks on discord and then deciding to go to the forums to rig it for their narrative. Sucks that i have to resort to wasting money on nu pokemon to play the game competively or its a watered down limited version of it controlled by faggots trying to dictate the game
>>59221016we never did get a solid answer on why machamp died for jirachi's sins
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>>59223252>trapping kills stallfagsIt's the opposite. Trapping a key wallbreaker lets stall teams be unbreakable
>>59218803When they banned Cloyster
>>59222997no, you're retarded
