What's the point in using Feraligatr in HG/SS when the game literally gives you a free level 30 Gyarados?
whats the point of choosing typhlosion when heartgold gives you a free growlithe in the wild
>>59221713What’s the point of playing Pokemon when there are monster collectors made by devs who aren’t retards?
>>59221714>never get firestone without cheating before beating E4>best stab is more powerful from Typhy anyway>big gay clifford looking ass
>>59221714Also true
>Lapras>vaporeon>gary >seadraYou’re not wrong. why he gets cucked so bad in his debut gen idk
>>59221713Didnt stop me from beating the game on my GBC back when i was 8
>>59221713Well GSC had the opposite issue where Gyarados was so ass that its best use was as an HM slave. Both games have awful in-game water type balancing. Of all the retro gens, only 1 had a good variety of great choices
>>59221755What’s wrong with hoenns water mons
>>59221713>>59221714What's the point of using meganium when- oh yeah grass type sucks there's no point in using one at all
>>59221713because I like kaijumon
>>59221713Because it's the best water starter, that's why!
>>59221713Gators and crocs are cool.
>>59221713Feraligatr is better than Typhlosion and Meganium on all the gyms leading up to it. Gyarados is comparable to the gator and you can still get a fire type easily in growlithe or magmar>>59221719In crystal you can get one from alan before the e4, theres also still alan.Anyway, it should be obvious butGym 1:Totodile = Cyndaquil > ChikoritaGym 2:Cyndaquil > Totodile > ChikoritaGym 3:Totodile > Chikorita > CyndaquilGym 4:Totodile (Bite) > Cyndaquil > ChikoritaGym 5:Totodile (resists poliwrath stab and hits harder than Chikorita on other two mons) >= Chikorita > CyndaquilGym 6:Cyndaquil (weak to steelix) = Totodile (weak to magnemite but strongest against steelix) > Chikorita Gym 7:Totodile > Chikorita > CyndaquilGym 8:Totodile > Chikorita > CyndaquilElite four:Totodile > everything else by farIf we consider kanto it becomes further obvious why totodile is the strongest. Even if you use Gyarados you’re essentially double dipping into a strong water type. The other massive advantage totodile has over the other two is access to ice punch (ice fang if HGSS though if we consider HGSS it becomes even more skewed in totodiles favor).
>>59222726>theres also still alanMeant to say Magmar
>>59221713Like it or not having Gyarados and Gyarados-at-home is better than having Gyarados and a shitmon starter.
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>>59221713>Red Gyarados>not finding the level 50 Magikarp just south of Lake of Rage, popping Rare Candy on it and raping the entire rest of the game using that
>>59221714I'm a Soulsilver chad althoughbeit
>>59221719>heartgold >"no fire stone before E4"You can get it from the Pokeathlon you absolute retard. Please play the game before speaking out your ass.
>>59222726Chikorita is best for gym 7, and better than Cyndaquil for gym 1.>b-but muh gustDoes barely anything despite the type effectiveness, and Chikorita has poison powder which can ensure a kill even when the enemy is spamming sand attack.
>>59222778He'll just move the goalpost and complain he has to play a minigame. His barometer for "reasonable stone access" is "I need to be able to buy it after the second gym at the ABSOLUTE EARLIEST (just like muh Kanto where i speedran for Celadon as soon as i neat Misty ^_^)" or "I'm drowning in so many stones just from picking up random item drops I don't know what to do with them."
>>59222783Chikorita is weak to ice attacks for gym 7, even though it us strong against everything in it feraligator is strong against the main threat and resists dewgong.Even if gym 1 is so catastrophically easy even chikorita can win it, its still objectively the weakest there. Even so, its also objective that cyndaquil is only good on two gyms and weaker than chiko on most of the gyms (and kanto)
>>59222791>Chikorita is weak to ice attacks for gym 7Pryce's dogshit ice moves don't matter when it OHKOs all three mons and the "strongest" is a base 60 SpA Piloswine.
>>59222791I don't think Meganium is concerned about being weak to ice, considering it can expend 1 PP on Petal Dance and you can win the fight completely AFK.
>>59222797I mean if you really wanna go there best that you can do isTotodile = Chikorita > CyndaquilLike sure you got stab grass on all 3 mons but they can still hit you super effectively and feraligatr resists all of them while hitting piloswine harder so which one is safer?And even if I agreed Chikorita is better for that one gym Totodile is better when considering the entire game.
>>59222801Are we talking about starter only runs or runs where you build an actual team? I assumed the latter cause of the gyarados comment clearly shilling typhlosion.Also which gen cause petal dance is gen 4 and level 32. If you really wanna talk gen 4 then you also have to consider all the brand new options feraligator gets like rock tomb and iron tail.
>>59222783Meganium is just better than a lot of people give it credit for, especially in postgame. It certainly does take a bit of know-how to use effectively, but at its best I do think it is the strongest of the three starters for the campaign. WITH THAT SAID, I do mean SPECIFICALLY in the context of playing through the game with a full team that's roughly evenly leveled. On its own, I would say Feraligatr is the strongest. Meganium's wide technical movepool lets it slot nicely into any team and provide pretty great support, and even if that's not your thing, you can run Swords Dance/Earthquake pretty effectively, and even get Seed Bomb, albeit VERY late and there is a significant grind for it.Meganium has one thing over the other two that makes it the superior starter in my opinion, and that's versatility. Feraligatr and Typhlosion do one thing, Meganium can reasonably do two.Meganium's biggest weakness really is having only one physical Grass move until you get fucking Seed Bomb at the Battle Frontier, and no special coverage, which is why I generally run a support moveset.
>>59222812>rock tomb >iron tailStill infinitely worse than Meganium. Rock tomb is only SE against one of Pryce’s mons, and the same thing for iron tail. Neither moves even KO what they’re SE against. It’s just not comparable to Meganium being able to solo the entire fight with the press of one singular move, and you the player able to leave the room for a few minutes while the game literally plays itself during those turns. There really isn’t another starter interaction with a required fight in the game that comes close to how braindead easy it is for Meganium to solo Pryce.
>>59222813>feraligator does one thingI don’t think we played the same game->support movesetThats kinda just…making things longer than they have to be. Meganiums offensive moveset and bulk is better than Typhlosions overall for the first half of the game.You’re clearly talking about gen 4 so I’ll base myself on that:Not only can feraligator actually use his physical movepool now he gets water, ice, ground, rock, steel moves all before the e4.
>>59222827>Not only can feraligator actually use his physical movepool now he gets water, ice, ground, rock, steel moves all before the e4.He does one thing. He is a physical attacker. That is one thing
>>59222833Okay and thats basically what mons do in an ingame playthrough. Reflect and Light screen are things that are only useful if you’re going for a run where you’re severely underleveled for some reason, like maybe you don’t fight all the trainers or purposely remain under the next gym leaders level, and even then most trainers or wild pokemon are not gonna be a threat that will require you to use those things.This isn’t a game where every battle is a doubles match anon.
>>59222819You do realize feraligator gets water attacks right anon? You’re not that dense right???>its not comparable because you have to use two different moves depending on monSo you are that dense?
>>59222819Lvl 32 0 SpA 0 IVs Meganium Petal Dance vs. Lvl 34 0 HP 30 IVs / 0 SpD 30 IVs Piloswine: 90-108 (73.7 - 88.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKOLvl 32 0 SpA 0 IVs Feraligatr Surf vs. Lvl 34 0 HP 30 IVs / 0 SpD 30 IVs Piloswine: 66-78 (54 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKOLvl 34 0 SpA 30 IVs Piloswine Blizzard vs. Lvl 32 0 HP 0 IVs / 0 SpD 0 IVs Meganium: 68-84 (73.1 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKOLvl 34 0 SpA 30 IVs Piloswine Blizzard vs. Lvl 32 0 HP 0 IVs / 0 SpD 0 IVs Feraligatr: 21-24 (21.8 - 25%) -- 0.4% chance to 4HKOSo both get to comfortably 2hko but one takes no fucking damage while the other one gets easily wrecked by one move.“Solo the fight with meganium” indeed.
I traded my Totodile as soon as I could over to my completed Platinum save and taught it Waterfall, Ice Punch, and Swords Dance, then traded it back. It was a little devil and I almost feel bad for Falkner.
>>59222889>0 SpA 0 IVsquit being disingenuous
>>59221713Level 30? You can fish for a level 50 one really early.
>>59221767Shitting on Meganium is trooncoded.
>>59223311to be fair it is a rare encounter in a place most people won't bother to thoroughly check, unless you happen to have repel up you probably won't find it without looking up the encounter tablesmeanwhile the shiny one is a story event + has at least some of the novelty of being a shiny>>59223324trve
Typhlosion shits on lance with his rollout (except for gyrados obviously but its one thunder to kill)
>>59223304So you’re saying it needs to be max IVs? Whats the “acceptable iv spread” for something completely random?Lvl 32 0 SpA 13 IVs Meganium Petal Dance vs. Lvl 34 0 HP 30 IVs / 0 SpD 30 IVs Piloswine: 98-116 (80.3 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKOIts an 18% chance to ohko at max ivs btw.I guess its fair if you save reset until you get a modest chikorita with 31ivs in sp atk and then you ev train it on gastly’s till its maxed out right?Maybe i used 0 IVs as a blanket example since meganium needs to be literally minmaxed for an ohko, maybe stop being a retard?
>>59223359Feraligatr shits on lance with ice fang in gen 4 and ice punch in both change. You sure showed everyone how retarded you are.
>>59223359Who is using Rollout Typhlosion against Lance? You get mogged by everything unless you’re power leveling it
>>59223385>0 SpAquit being disingenuous. in a normal playthrough meganium will end up with some special attack evs
>>59223444Yeah with how many evs? Also why don’t you try to count how many trainer pokemon meganium has to kill to get those evs “naturally” except you are intentionally making meganium only fight against things that give sp atk to fit your narrative right?I am not being disingenous. For your argument to even work meganium needs to be +sp atk nature and have MOST of its ev’s invested into sp atk. In a regular blind playthrough you cannot consider literally everything in the mons favor if you want to give a reasonable argument and even if I did consent to all your bullshit the same can be applied to feraligatr and he will also score the ohko with a move that doesn’t have a drawback.
>>59223495you're also neglecting the fact that pryce is notoriously underleveled, and you will without a doubt be at LEAST lv36 by the time you get there even if you fight him first
>>59221755>Well GSC had the opposite issue where Gyarados was so ass that its best use was as an HM slave."NUUUU I cant spam Stabs with my best attacking stat therefore my mon is le BAD!!!!"
>>59223500The calculations are done with both of them at 32 which is reasonable if evenly training a team and its also high level enough for meganium to evolve and get petal dance.You average level 30-32 by pryce.
>>59222889 >0IV 0SpA EVNow calculate with specs (HGSS lets you get them at the lake of rage)
>>59222849Why bring up iron tail in the first place, if water stab is going to be more effective? Again, anything the gator needs pales in comparison to Meganium being able to end the fight with one button press.
>>59223551HereLvl 32 0+ SpA 0 IVs Choice Specs Feraligatr Surf vs. Lvl 34 0 HP 30 IVs / 0 SpD 30 IVs Piloswine: 104-126 (85.2 - 103.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO>>59223560Because you need rock tomb or iron tail to hit seel and dewgong super effectively you fucking retard
>>59223688>steel is super effective against water/ice
>>59223715>you made a mistake let me point it out to cover my own dumbassery that I will refuse to acknowledge You were literally trying to imply that having to use two moves makes pryce harder than simply clicking on one move.So look, I really don’t care that i made some dumbass mistake and forgot water resists steel if it helps your fragile ego have at it. Can you tell me why clicking one move to end three mons is “easier” than clicking 2 moves. All things considered if you cant ohko them which is very likely considering the context, you will get hurt badly, more importantly you will get confused. Whereas the alternative, feraligatr is completely safe.
>>59222889>the statistically worst Meganium possible still wins >while underleveled for some reasonSo any normal person not playing with a modded factory reset team would win without taking damage. Got it.
>>59223324Sup cecilily you're not beating the allegations
>>59224366>another eceleb worshipperDid we really need more of you fags?
>>59224369>Doesn't even deny it Okay cecilily
