>early route 1 pokemon are shit on purpose because you're supposed to replace them with stronger pokemon!First of all, how many people actually do that? Put like 5+ hours into a pokemon then box it permanently? I either stick with it, through the elite 4, or I recognize pretty quick that it's shit and just immediately box itAlso, doesn't this go against gamefreak's insistence of "there are no weak pokemon" and /vp/ constantly insisting that you must suck if you ever criticize a pokemon's viability? I don't want every route 1 to have a niche in OU, but I wish they would create better signature moves/abilities so that they are at least viable late game, like vivillon learning hurricane?
>>59222146It's not shit because it's a Route 1 shitmon, plenty have been good. It's shit because they decided "fuck any sort of viability, we gotta ruin the Pokemon's stats for the not found joke"
>>59222146Game Freak is creatively bankrupt and afraid to change anything that might disrupt the cash cow (happens to many japanese companies).
>>59222146It's one of those "traditions" that don't make sense anymore in the current state of the game. But the thing is that GF tried to break away from this as "early" as G5. Levanny and Scolipide might not be meta defining pokemon, but they are usable in a casual manner. The same goes for later generation early bugs, like Vikavolt and Orbettle. They may not be amazing, but at least you can carry them to the E4.So I don't know why they regressed with the gen 9 bug type pokemon. Even taking into account >>59222158 , they could've made Lockix and Rabsca not icredibly meh.
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>>59222146>>59222174What about these games is so hard for you people that you can't use spidops and other early game pokemon?
>>59222146>5+ hours into a pokemon>in SVFirst of all you put minutes into maxing out a pokemon in SV.Second of all shitmons are shitmons on purpose and it does not stop them from being viable lategame. Competitively is another story sure but you aren’t interested in Competitive pokemon to begin with.
>>59222266What’s so hard about balance that they have to make Spidops a complete shitter?
>>59222174You couldn’t evolve Charjabug into Vikavolt until you were 75% of the way through the game in Gen 7, so that’s hardly a fair comparison.
>>59222264What is this supposed to imply?
>>59222174Lokix is good though.
>>59222364that campaignshitters like yourself don’t actually play the game you cry 34:7 about
>>59222146I actually cannot stand anyone that implies grinding a Pokemon takes a long time because ever since modern exp share you literally run around with a team of mons you literally never use but they are still fully leveled or more thanks to shared exp.
>>59222146>First of all, how many people actually do that?The kids. Who are the target audience and probably make up something like 80% of the people paying for these games
>>59222146>First of all, how many people actually do that? Put like 5+ hours into a pokemon then box it permanently?I do this all the time. and if you ever go for pokedex completion you’ll be doing it plenty too.
>>59222146Were you in a coma for the past few years?
>>59222392Wtf is a campaignshitter? Stop living 24/7 on /vp/ and go touch grass outside.
>>59222264Tinted Lens is fucking carrying Lokix. Bug no longer being giga-resisted means its STAB is versatile and actually usable.
>>59222146>Make Bug types immune to all entry hazards except Sticky Web>While a Pokémon with Stakeout is on the field, enemy moves which would remove entry hazards always fail; also allows entry hazards to work on Bug types
>>59222146It's insane how shit bug type were before 5th gen (with the sole exception of Scizor).
>>59222174>Orbettle >they may not be amazing,Orbeetle is an actual in-game monster. So is Greedent, the local Rattata.
The philosophy of keeping early pokemon weak doesn't hold up after HAs were introduced and everthing started getting signature moves. I'm not expecting say, Gumshoos, to be some meta comp beast but I can't sit there and in good faith say giving a little mongoose bugger who is all about catching fast little rats to be so fucking slow with three different abilitirs that would all put on a lot of pressure if it had appropriate speed to abuse them with makes much sense.
>>59222146You need to design the immediate gym around these early game "carries"Butterfree is great against Brock but if you just toss in fighting types and water types that can fight on their own without needing to be switch trained then why botherI think Gardenia is a good example. Sure there's Starly and Ponyta early on but if you're being stubborn and avoiding them then it's easy to evolve a Wurmple and get a x4 resistant mon with Gust or Psybeam against her
>>59226052meanwhile in modern games they'll just go>oh you're up against a normal boss? here's your free super strong fighting type and a brick break tm five steps away from the gym
>>59224854>Bug no longer being giga-resistedeverything is no longer giga resisted. Lokix is just about as mediocre as a Pokemon can get and it's considered good because of this ability. GF's retardation is how limited of an ability Tinted Lens is. Give it to something like M-Heracross
>>59226081a bigger issue is the fact that every decent tinted lens user generally has a much better abilitywhy would you not take speed boost for your pass yanmega or magic guard for the sigilyph gimmicks
>>59226081M-Heracross has a good ability it’s just too slow
That would piss off Kojo so I'm for it.
