WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
>>59226766>Chairsart but blue!!!
>>59226766full starter dragon trio
>>59226766What a shitload of fuck
all of these are dogshit designs tbdesumega feraligatr still happens to be the worst of the three but that doesn't make the other two goodzard y >>>>> zard x
>Tough Claws >Dragonize>Fucking LightningRod instead of SharpnessSceptile is the odd one out
>>59226766>retarded tree tail>retarded balding clown hair>retarded toilet headThey're at least consistent
>>59226766Brazileaf
>>59226766They saw all the shitposts by Kujo defending Incineroar’s design and took it to heart.
>>59226766>design the first two before meme designs became commonplace>give Mega Sceptile fucking Lightningrod whereas the other two get useful abilities>only good one ends up being Charizard X because Feraligatr is too slow and Sceptile is a fucking messJesus Christ
>"We can't use a popular final stage water starter as Greninja will overshadow it">"What about Feraligatr?">"Yeah, but it'll be another Decidueye situation. Make sure its mega references Totodile"
>>59226869>also make sure it references Totodile poorly>>end result is that Chikorita and Meganium become the most popularhahahahaHAHAHAHAHA
>>59226766Rightmost one is literally LITERALLY mathematically stronger than the leftmost two and can actually score KO’s unlike outragezard who hits like a wet noodle with dragon claw and sceptile who is immune to something it quad resists lmfaoYou really wanna laugh at the hoodie when mega sceptile got fucking lightningrod lol?
>>59226876Honestly? Yeah. Doing a lot of damage in a vacuum is a worthless observation when in practice it’s easily handled and more of a liability due to its speed. If you actually played the game you’d realize that Mega Feraligatr is kind of bad.
>>59226860A few things you’re not considering, feraligatr can use both TR and tailwind, feraligatr is faster than everything in the speed tier under dragapult after 1 DD and he does get agilityFeraligatr doesn’t need an attack boost to score KO’s, unlike Zard X.Feraligatr has one of the strongest typings in the game.Neither feraligatr or Zard X have common usage in the current meta, people are using Zard Y. Its purely because of fairy immunity to dragon
>>59226890I am playing the game I reached master rank with it. Its not bad at all and OHKOs most of the meta, it is hard to pilot though so skill issue?I certainly don’t see myself winning as much trying to setup DD with zard x or missing a ko with dragon claw or dragon miss after tailwind. Sceptile definitely isn’t gonna do dogshit.
>ignores Greninja and Charizard existLike I said kid, they KNEW They were giving long-expceted/hoped for/wished for megas out, so didn't bother trying with the welfares.Funny how the dinopig fans are actually content with their mega forms while the tototoddlers just CAN'T handle their shit. Almost as if they had ideas above their station and got schooled like the decidueye nerds.
>>59226891>A few things you’re not considering, feraligatr can use both TR and tailwind, feraligatr is faster than everything in the speed tier under dragapult after 1 DD and he does get agilityNo, I’ve considered both and it’s still pretty bad in both of those. Even in Tailwind you’re not the fastest and without Adamant you’re liable to miss out on crucial KOs. Also, Water/Dragon is straight-up worse than Fire/Dragon as an attacking type.>Feraligatr doesn’t need an attack boost to score KO’s, unlike Zard X.Unironically it does half the time.>Neither feraligatr or Zard X have common usage in the current metaI know, but Zard X has actual tournament results now. Feraligatr has literally nothing. Go play Champions and actually run the thing.
>>59226894>I am playing the game I reached master rank with itDoubtful. Post timestamped elo
>>59226900With tailwind its faster than the entire meta unboosted without speed investment, more importantly it can use both trick and tailwind, this is why its hard to pilot but its not because of speed issues.I can tell you haven’t even tried using it if you’re claiming it needs it half the time. Whats your example? Multiscale dragonite? It scores most important KOs in the current meta such as Basc, Chomp, Charizard Y, Tyranitar, mega Kangaskhan and puts the pressure on some of the things that wall the meta like Milotic while OHKOing support mons that are annoying like the giraffe. If it doesn’t pick up the OHKO then it outright cripples it to kill next turn with aqua jet like Archaludon or simply pick up the KO with Chip or coaching/Helping hand support. You can’t call a mon bad simply because it needs support to carry, most of the overused shit doesn’t pick up most neutral KO’s without support feraligatr does.>Zard X has tournament resultsIt was used in one team and we all know everyone hates mega gatrs design so why be dishonest about how good it is? It is literally basc with a better typing/bulk and higher frontloaded damage, basc doesn’t get going until last respects is buffed to AT LEAST 150 bp
>>59226903Thats not gonna prove anything since he can just change the team. That being said people have reached master rank with weaker things.
>>59226766tbf it really is just the way they position it's giga-mouth, mega feraligatr is actually kinda cool in idea, it's just odd looking with it's hood open. if it was over the head in the neutral position it'd be a lot better.
>>59226766I have no clue lmao
>>59226925>It is literally basc with a better typingI wish you placed this earlier so I was saved the time from reading your garbage post. God, you people are retarded
>>59226925Err sorry it doesn’t pick up the KO on tyranitar now that I calculate it I probably remembered a time where I used coaching or fake out double target to score the OHKO.Regardless, its kinda hard to understand how you can think it has trouble picking up KOs or applying pressure while praising things in the meta that have effectively less damage than it.
>>59226961Have you even tried doing the math anon? Seriously is /vp/ only people that pull their opinions off a youtuber or something? Even wolfey acknowledges this thing hits hard.32+ Atk Dragonize Feraligatr-Mega Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Avalugg: 93-111 (54.7 - 65.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO32+ Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Avalugg: 80-96 (47 - 56.4%) -- 84% chance to 2HKO150bp last respects32+ Atk Adaptability Basculegion Last Respects vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Avalugg: 102-120 (60 - 70.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>>59226983Why would the Avalugg have no bulk investment
>>59226766Mega Feraligatr is such a fucking disappointment in Champions
>>59226993Why are you asking this? Jesus fucking christ am I talking with a redditor?I am using avalugg to show you that anon that thinks basc hits harder than gatr that double edge is literally in between 150bp last respects and wave crash damage. Its investment doesn’t matter, its literally just for a calculation hence why I said its a bulkier basc with better typing. They each have their advantages, basc is just easier to use in the current meta because he can hold a choice scarf, though I believe the smarter play would be mystic water if you can actually handle your speed control intelligently.
>>59226983The math isn’t the problem here you dingus, it’s that you think Water/Dragon is a better fucking typing than Water/Ghost in doubles. That just reeks of you not knowing what you’re talking about which is why I’m disregarding everything else you’re saying.
>>59227048It is though, the only actual threat to it in the current meta is the commonplace fairies like gardevoir but particularly Sylveon, who can actually tank hits from it. Basculegion isn’t without its issues either as it also folds to sucker punch from kingambit and people now run Heliolisk as anti-meta. Water-dragon just has a lot more useful resists and he can just stay in the face of shit like mega zard y without being scared.
>>59227138Fake Out + Extremespeed immunity is something to consider tho
>>59226766Mega evos were a retarded idea, they should have just given new evos to shitmon.
>>59227141I mean sure I am not denying that and I also know that the ability to hold choice scarf makes it way easier to use but you can’t mediate the effectivity of these things on cherrypicked matchups alone, extremespeed is also a poor example as it is not commonly used right now, we’re not in a tera meta and the only threatening normal type I see trudging around masters on ocassion is Kangaskhan. I compared basculegion to mega gatr because they are comparable with advantages and disadvantages to each, and I also acknowledge that basculegion fits the current meta a lot better. I never once said mega gatr was “better” than it as thats extremely variable, only highlighted the things that make it stand out in comparison to it and that is the things it resists, the things it can stay in on, and the things it ohko’s. People like to say it sucks based on usage alone but that doesn’t actually dictate knowledge on the metagame after all following what the actual experts do without actually thinking critically on it makes you no different than cattle.I remember once seeing skeledirge, a no use mon, randomly place in tournaments being used by a specific guy that simply really liked him, I think plenty of low usage mons are situations like that.
>>59226819>zard y >>>>> zard xCope. Ozempiczard with extra spikes is even worse than blue shiny zard
>>59227141Fake Out immunity is the big one. And Ghost being a ridiculous typing (which is why saying Dragon is a better type invalidates literally everything else in the post)
>>59226766oh it's a big totodile mask. that's actually pretty cool.
>>59227218You realize its not saying dragon is a better typing but rather the combination of water/dragon, which gives it a ton of useful resists and only two weaknesses.Have you ever even thought about the type matchups in the current meta and how they line up?Ghost isn’t an infallible type, just like using double edge on something that had a fairy in team preview using last respects on something that had a normal type in team preview is a risk. Sucker punch kingambit is a huge threat to scarf basculegion as well as things like rotom wash or scarfed heliolisk or solarbeam zard y. Yeah you can stay in on the two fairies and the obscenely overused mega chesnaught that potentially scare feraligator off and mega feraligatr can stay in on literally everything that scares Basculegion off. Putting words in my mouth and then saying those words “invalidate” my point without having a single point to back it up is just empty words. You’re nothing but a dumbass talking big.
>>59226835>charizard>hair Skeledirge live rent-free in your head or something?
>>59227180>>59227218Also shadow tag immunity with M Gengar running around
>>59227587It has balding clown hair the same as skeledirge but Zard's is blue instead of red
>>59226766LOL
>>59227008Look just max its defence so we get actual data please
>>59226766>dogshit ability>worse than its counterpart>humiliation ritualAll of them are ass.
>>59228188The Rule of Cool ain't saving Sceptile.
>>59226766At least Mega Feraligatr is competently designed from a competitive standpoint.Dragonize + Double Edge/Giga Impact + 160 Attack hits like a nuclear warhead.Plus Water/Dragon is a stellar type combo. One of the strongest out there, arguably.Meanwhile Mega Sceptile, although a stellar design, SUCKS competitvely.>Movepool does not fit its stat spread>Lightning Rod is ultimately not very useful>Grass/Dragon is actually a pretty bad comboIt kills me because Mega Sceptile is actually my favorite Pokemon of all time.I want it to be good so badly, but it just falls short in every aspect aside from design.They did not even buff it in Z-A, where lots of buffs happen, then get rolled back.My only hope is that it is missing from Champions currently because they are testing buffs.
>>59228191Nah
>>59228191Rule of Cool is primary reason for Megas, a cool mega that happens to weak is objectively better than a humilation ritual mega that has a small niche. Gatr would have to have a MegaSol tier ability to justify how absolute shit it is
>>59228350>At least Mega Feraligatr is competently designed from a competitive standpointis that why pretty much no one uses it? though Sceptile is definitely a tragedy considering it’s an inspired design, what the fuck is Lightningrod doing on it?
>>59229735>is that why pretty much no one uses it? Because there are better options. Difference between being bad versus good versus great.Mega Feraligatr is good competitvely, albeit not "great" since there are better options.Whereas Mega Sceptile is just bad competitively.>what the fuck is Lightningrod doing on it?I think the idea was to have Sceptile immune to Thunderwave so you could not paralyze it.And I guess design-wise with a tail that bit, it could act like a literal lightning rod.Plus they seem bent on keeping Sceptile Special Attack oriented, despite its movepool being physical.They should give it Armor Tail. Guarantees you cannot just freely bypass its Speed.Plus immunity to Fake Out and Ice Shard for it and its team would make it a pretty good asset.That plus some special move additions like Tail Glow and Earth Power would go a LONG way.
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>>59226860>>design the first two before meme designs became commonplaceThe same game brought Manectric, Slowbro...
