>>59232346where's incineroar
4 > 11
>>59232352Moved to AG tier for being too overpowered even for UBERS, let alone OU.
>>59232358That's bullshit but I believe it
>>59232346>no incineroar
>>59232346She is back in the big 2026!
>>59232352This isn't VGC stats, this is singles.
>>59232352>>59232358>>59232369>mfw niggas don't know that baratiger is only good in VGC/doubles and is has no weight in singles
>No Gliscor in OU- No Toxic Orb in Pokemon Champions- Protect has now 8 PP- Not Keeping Roost from previous games
>>59232346>Feraligatr too shit even for this metaHAHAHAHA
>>59232346Jesus Christ Greninja fell off the face of the Earth, not even a Mega can save it.
>>59232346>champions only been out for 2 weeks>smogons fanfic OU format ALREADY has 4 bansThis is why nobody takes smogshits seriously anymore
>>59232401It had to pay for the shitty rabbit’s sins.
>>59232403Based Cinderace, he's an OU staple still lol also the cat is doing just fine too
>>59232397>champions>the doubles video game>using singles for a listI thought I was dumb.
>>59232406Both of those are more minmaxed as well.
>>59232400Too slowDragapult outspeeds it by a single point after a Dragon Dance LMAO
>>59232346Feraligatrn Greninja, Emboar, Chesnaught sisters are we really This shit, they cut over 400 mons for us!
>>59232346fanfic metaplay the official meta only.
>>59232346If your favorite mon still can't be good in this gimped meta, its pretty much forever a shit mon
>>592324025 since mega gengar was also banned very early. But anyone could’ve predicted Palafin, mega Blastoise and mega Lucario to get banned.
>>59232443>shit aesthetically>shit mechanicallyLmao, whoever designed this thing should have their pay docked. Or maybe raised if the intention was to make it shit
>>59232407Champions is a singles game with a side-mode of doubles, anon
>>59232502Sh...shut UP!
>>59232346grenbros?I thought we were supposed to be ubers????we are uubl shitters???????????????
>>59232402Why do some retards think bans are bad as a rule? If Mega Rayquaza was tossed in champions with no limitations, you'd want that to stay in too? Banning certain mons makes the meta more strategic and fair.
>>59232502Flygonsissies...
>>59232502gimping the meta doesn't mean shit if only the few shillmons get any real buffs. Granted, if a Pokemon got a Mega AND still manages to be a failure, even withoth MegaMence around to rape them, then yes, they are intended a flop who never deserved that mega.
>>59232397cute selfie
Mega Meganium being that high and having more usage than Eternal Floette is going to make some people upset.
>>59232346>No Garchomp-Therian picSOULLESS
>>59232346>fanfic garbage
>>59232674No one cares
>>59232511>play actual game>none of those pokemon are brokenwow
>>59232674The Champions meta you nonce, literally the official meta.
>>59232689It’s official? Cool! How do I play 6v6 in the game then? And why am I able to use Mega Gengar in the game while I can’t in fanficshit?
>>59232701If you and your buddy boot up Pokemon Champions and play a match but mutually agree to not use Mega Gengar, are you suddenly no longer playing Pokemon Champions?
>>59232561Your fanfic meta will never be real
>>59232712Holy shit if me and my buddy boot up Champions we can magically play 6v6?
>>59232549Such a fucking disappointment
>>59232599Floette is a nuke but can't touch Steel types.
>>59232712>if you agree to play a fanfic then it’s not a fanfic
>>59232689Champions doesn't have 6v6 you fuckwit.
>>59232561Little timmy hates rules.He hates having to go to bed at 8pm by his parents. He hates having to sit down during class. He hates not being able to spam Evasion moves. But most of all, he hates being told what to do.Being a minor, he doesn’t understand the importance of rules. Also being a minor, he struggles with deep thinking and will tell you to “just adapt” without explaining, and if he does have an explanation, it’s “just use Aerial Ace bro”. It’s like how boomers tell you to just “pick yourself up from the bootstraps” and “just go up to the CEO and give him a firm handshake”.
>>59232792The game already has rules. Fanfic just enforces nonsensical retarded completely arbitrary rules.
>>59232346They couldn't handle BIG MAN BLASTOISE
>>59232346>No Megas in the top 10Shitter Gimmick
>>59232871>stare at fanfic that bans all the good megas>hurrr why no one using the megas?This is how fanficshit poisons pokemon discourse.
>>59232346Is 6v6 friend battles even possible on Champions or is this an entirely fanfic meta?
>>59232599Why?
>>59232889The best megas in VGC and BSS aren’t banned except Gengar. Charizard isn’t even in the top 34 of OU when it’s top 10 usage in both formats on champions.
>>59232889None of the Megas are banned though
>>59232908>Charizard isn’t even in the top 34 of OU when it’s top 10 usage in both formats on champions.Yep, 6v6 runs stealth rocks and that completely fucks both Mega Zards HARD since they can't put on the boots.
>>59232346Why is the edgy otter up there when the axe bug isn’t? Is Rock/Bug just that awful?
>>59232911Mega Lucario, Mega Blastoise, and Mega Starmie beg to differ
>>59232346>can’t play 6v6 singles in championssmoggies are a dying breed
>>59232443>Dragapult outspeeds it by a single point after a Dragon DanceThat's at level 100. At level 50 Gatr outspeed by 1 point, he's still ass tho
>>59232549Shitmon
>>59232933>Why is the edgy otter upCounters Kingambit
>>59232933Ceaseless Edge is better than Stone Axe. When you use Ceaseless Edge multiple times, you get more layers of spikes. With Stone Axe, you get 1 use before it just becomes a 65 BP inaccurate Rock move.Samurott also has Aqua Jet, Sucker Punch, and Knock Off, while Kleavor doesn’t get Accelerock, First Impression, or Knock Off. Also Water/Dark is a better typing offensively and defensively too.>>59232965>Smogon is willing to implement a whole new gamemode that completely changes the viability of several Pokemon and how you even play.>But removing Freeze, a change that most people would love? DOES IT LOOK LIKE WE WANT TO MODIFY THE GAME?!?Jannies are visibly upset with me for calling them out on this.
>>59232346Tyranibros....
>>59233032>With Stone Axe, you get 1 use before it just becomes a 65 BP inaccurate Rock move.Game Freak's classic sabotaging of Rock type Pokemon as always...>Samurott also has Aqua Jet, Sucker Punch, and Knock Off, while Kleavor doesn’t get Accelerock, First Impression, or Knock Off.Water has too much privilege and Accelerock constantly being gatekept is fucking retarded.What is to be gained from all this, exactly? Is there some secret narrative demanding the oppression of Rock type Pokemon?
>>59233066Rock is the only type that hits more types super effectively than resist it while having nothing immune to it. That’s probably GameFreak’s lining of thinking for why Rock moves can’t have the same priviledges as Water.
The powergap between regular ott and hisuian ott is fucking insane.
>>59233091Give regular ott ceaseless edge as well, wouldn't even be that broken.
>>59233096Because it wouldn't have STAB and Sharpness to buff it.
>>59233096Hisuian has higher attack, is faster, and has STAB on the attack on top of sharpness. Why would you ever use regular Samurott even if it got the move?
>>59233085Well it's not a good line of thinking considering you have stupid shit like almost every Rock type Pokemon having the cookie-cutter stats spread of "slow, high Defense, and high Attack" that doesn't work and Power Gem's retarded distribution.
>>59232989why do Gamefreak's official metas still use L50 instead of L100?Before the newer games auto-adjusted your levels down, it was so weird back in the day where you had to avoid leveling a pokemon above it to enter in competitions.Now that they don't allow you to enter underleveled mons either and scale them up to L50 too, might as well just have it be to L100.
>>59233345Could just be tradition at this point. It's way easier to hit level 50 than it is 100. RBY competitions had you bring 2 level 50s and a level 55.
>>59233345Level 50 is slightly faster paced since you do ever so slightly more damage.
>>59233345Don’t know if this is intentional or not, but almost everything does more damage at 100 than 50, so you end up with a bit more of a tactical game where you aren’t just 1-shotting everything and need to use stuff like helping hand more than you would otherwise.
>>59233572Isn't it the other way around? I thought Pokemon did took more damage at level 50 since HP scales up faster than attacking stats. Its part of the reason why Gen 2 OU is so much staller than than Nintendo Cup 2000
>>59232346take your fanfiction garbage to some other forum
>>59233702Or what, you're gonna cry?
>>59233572>>59233581The lower the level you are, the more percentage damage the same move will do. That is because HP and the Defense stats both increase at higher levels, while only the Offense stats increase and not the BP of moves.
>>59233117>extinct pokemon is stronger than the non-extinct couterpartPokefags got some 'splaining to do.
>>59233581>>59233718The main thing is that the damage formula is balanced around the idea that you will use low power moves at low levels and high power moves at high levels. If you use high power moves at low levels you'll suddenly be dealing much more damage (relatively speaking).
>>59232511How is Blastoise broken in singles? I haven't played singles since gen 5.
>>59233732If you played singles in Gen 5 you should remember how overpowered Shell Smash Cloyster was, yeah? Well Blastoise has Shell Smash now too.
>>59233742Yeah that checks out.
>>59233742I'm still miffed I don't get to have Skill Link Cloyster in Champions. It's my sweeper in Gen 6 Battle Maison
>>59233732Mega Blastoise in Singles can Shell Smash and pretty easily clean a game.
>>59233732Simply put it Shell smash>Too bulky even after the def and Sp.def drop from shell smash>hits too hard with +2, 135 Special attack + mega launcher boosted moves>outspeeds almost the entire meta with a +2 after Shsmall this can happen on one turn with a single set up move, all you would is to swap in into a mon that can’t 1 hit KO you and as a bulky water type there’s plenty of opportunities. Big man Blastois is now on the list of starters who were banned from OU(if you don’t count that one meta where he was able to Dmax and mega evolve while being able to ShSm)
>>59233781I remember people saying>they'll never bring back megas because shell smash mega blastoiseand ALSO saying>they'll get rid of blastoise's access to shell smash if they bring back megasand it's surreal that gf really just didn't care
who up smashin they shells
>>59233791I'll admit that I was a "they'll take away Shell Smash from Blastoise" truther. I didn't believe they'd actually do it.
>>59233791>>59233797Blastoise is a KANTOOOOOOOOOOO starter, literally one of the highest rungs of shillmon. Game Freak has never give a shit about balance when it comes to shillmons. I;ve been saying this for years/
>>59233822Gengar is also a shillmon and they did take away Encore.
>>59232346>garchomp top mon yet UU trash in SVGoes to show how busted is when any Pokémon can Tera fairy at any moment
>>59232346>no Mega Greninja
>>59233886More like people are starved for Ground-types without Great Tusk, Iron Treads, Landorus-T, Gliscor, or Ting-Lu.
>>59233893Gliscor is in the game... but Toxic Orb is not
>>59233893Correction: Gliscor is available but there's no Toxic Orb so it sucks shit
>>59233890Flop of hell
>>59233890The real mega Greninja isn't out yet. It is, however, datamined.
>Mega Feraligatr is so slow to that he will die to any Dragon, especially Garchomp and Kingdra. And he must pray to his god that he doesn't get Azumarill>Typhlosion is a glass cannon that relies entirely on speed and high HP to maximize damage for Eruption and he must pray to his god that he doesn't face a fast Pokémon that knows Ground, Rock, Ghost, Water, and Dark-type moves>Mega Meganium sees some niche competitive usage with Mega Sol, giving it insta-Solar Beam, Synthesis and Screens so it won't die fast>it took GameFreak to sabotage Feraligatr and Typhlosion for Meganium to look goodName a more cursed Pokémon.
>>59233974Cope lmao
>>59234015Typhlosion is at least workable in doubles. Feraligatr is so utterly fucked like holy shit it takes real skill to make something look kinda good and then make it totally fucking useless in practicality in both singles and doubles
>>59234134The devs designed mega Gatr to be a humilation ritual flop, but they didn’t want it to be too obvious since Emboar was supposed to be designated flop starter ZA so they had to make Mega Gatr at least look semi usable in theory only to be able to pull the rug out when people actually used it and realized is a worthless
Outside of Mega Delphox and Meganium the rest of the new starters given Megas in ZA are fucking useless, they should have given the Gen 4 starters Megas at this point.
It's still funny and amazing how Meganium is finally having some serious use in competitive settings.>>59234015>>Mega Meganium sees some niche competitive usage with Mega Sol, giving it insta-Solar Beam, Synthesis and Screens so it won't die fastYou forgot Weather Ball always being Fire and having the increased boost in power on top of that so it's always 150 BP.
>>59234169>they should have given the Gen 4 starters Megas at this point.No you don’t.>Torterra keeps its Grass/Ground typing but gets slower and focuses on bulk, and gets fucking Leaf Guard>Infernape gets Pyroar special with 20 in each stat and gets Cloud Nine>Empoleon becomed a Water/Ice type that gets 40 Atk, 20 SpD, 20 Spe, 10 Def, and 10 SpA and gets Slicing (but only movepool update is giving Empoleon Aqua Cutter)
>>59234193>Pyroar special with 20 in each statWhat did Game Freak had to gain from this anyway?
>>59232352Hopefully in hell where that stupid bara cat belongs.
>>59234193Meganium and Delphox are allowed to broken. For consistency sake the intended Sinnoh shillmon would get a broken signature ability and or minimaxed stats. The thing is, which Sinnoh starter is the INTENDED shillmon? Going by organic popularity doesn’t help.
>>59233791I mean ultimately nobody is using Blastoise still it’s bog standard>Smogon thinks game is something it isn’t
