>>59232842
>Xitter faggotry
>Typed in the title
Go back

If the word pretentious was a Twitter account:

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I wish I was dogshit at pokemon games like him so I could enjoy these games

>post screencaps of reasonable and correct statements
>pretend it's wrong
Why is 4chan is like this?

>>59232893
It's literally incorrect and no one can explain why it's correct. In fact, in the comments of that very post, Lewtwo got destroyed in three separate arguments.

>>59232842
Do you? Or do you just jack off to drawings of little girls?

>>59232929
oh yeah? post them

>>59232885
>all those hearts
he is not gonna let you hit, bro

>>59232893
Gen 1 is buggy unfinished dogshit and pales in comparison on a technical level to other games on the platform it was released on. The only reason pokemon is around today is due to aggressive marketing during the 90s.

>>59232967
>Gen 1 is buggy unfinished dogshit
The only people who think this is true are zoomers who didn’t actually play gen 1 and got all their opinions off youtube

>>59232967
It was overly ambitious at the time. Most games were shorter and more linear. Other rpgs had fixed party members. Here, you can customize your party with endless amounts of combinations of species and movesets.
Was the design perfectly executed? Not even close, but it was difficult to even get to where it ended up. This was new territory in game design.

>>59232885
did you read the posts?
his team sucks versus Lance and they are underleveled

>>59232967
The only reason pokemon is around today is because it has no competition aesthetically and mechanically.

>>59232967
t. never actually owned a gameboy or GBC or has even attempted to play any other gameboy rpgs

>>59233044
I can make diantha look hard if I play like a retard too

>>59233048
Yokai Watch came SO CLOSE a decade ago. So much so, Gen 7 used elements from Yokai Watch to try and compete.

>>59232842
Why do we have to pretend that Gen 1 is bad?

>>59233067
because people on this board only play pokemon so they have no idea how bad the gameboy library was for rpgs

>>59233067
People are STILL mindbroken by genwunners from the 2000s and very early 2010s who said nothing after the original 151 mattered. Also whenever they see Charizard they go into a fit of rage.

>>59233067
To actual turn based RPG players in 1999, pokemon must have seemed like pure shit.

>>59233116
NTA but it being on the gameboy did a lot of carrying.

It obviously can't compare to like Chrono Trigger but people aren't stupid and generally understand that.

>>59233073
I mean... the Dragon Quest ports are decent.

That's kind of it though.

>>59233067
Gen 1 as a game is generally kind of endearingly shit. It breaks if you apply any pressure to it (Not literally, though it is pretty buggy) but at the same time it does so in a very endearing manner.

Good atmosphere, soundtrack, and story though. There's a reason why it's still one of the most remembered regions and it's not just nostalgia. If you want to see a game that is just carried by nostalgia, play gen 2.

I'm a Gen1'er and I was so enchanted by Pokemon. I was the perfect age for it. Ash was 10 and so was I, I wanted to go on a Pokemon journey of my own. I imagined what it would be like to own pokemon and my imagination was so vivid that it felt like I could.

I got THIS vhs tape in the mail and it totally hooked me.
https://youtu.be/OvdvgZ3CpWA

tl;dr: I don't know if you younger guys have truly felt "pokemania" before. This all hit me like crack cocaine hit the ghetto community.

>>59233056
that ugly ass shit wasn't going to accomplish anything globally
>Gen 7 used elements from Yokai Watch to try and compete
to the game's detriment and to appease the Japanese audience

>>59232842
Genwun is more primitive and less competently programmed than the average RPGMaker shovelware. It is, in fact, nostalgia that makes anyone think otherwise.

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>>59233067
You know how johtoddlers and their games get ripped to shreds nowadays whenever they rear their heads? That happened because they had been obnoxious supremacists for many many years insisting their games were untouchable. So people started cutting them down to size.

The same thing had already happened prior to Kantykes, ultimately embodied with "The Problems With Gen I" infographic, which essentially killed all RBY wankery overnight via the encouragement of endless downplaying of Kanto thereon.

>>59233169
It also wasn't made with a predefined engine like RPG Maker which streamlines the process significantly. It was done entirely in Assembly, which was fucking manually from scratch and not a few buttons and clicks like even the most basic RPG Maker products of the era

>>59233048
>no competition aesthetically and mechanically.
There's no competition that can shit out as many different forms of media as Pokemon. Tomorrow Pokemon could announce that they aren't releasing any new games ever again and carry itself on nothing but merch/TCG/anime for well over a decade.

>>59232842
Anyone who uses the word "reductive" has a shit opinion.

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>>59233099
These days, ironically enough, I respect kantykes more than I do johtoddlers, because they are implicitly rejecting Gen II, which killed Pokemania, as too bad, not just every actually decent gen afterward; whereas johtoddlers foolishly try to claim Gen II is better than both Gen III and Gen I, which is just straight up retarded and wrong

>>59233191
Digimon could churn out the same amount of media (except it can't because it doesn't make any money and therefore has no budget with which to do so), and nobody would buy it except aging Latinx's.

So it's not volume that's the issue. It's pure quality. Even the worst Pokemon produces is still not Digimon tier.

>>59233121
>I mean... the Dragon Quest ports are decent.
gbc lmao. for gameboy you're going up against saga, god medicine, great greed and heracles no eikou, most of which didn't even leave japan. this is the heracles no eikou btw;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kne65sWwnHA

>>59233116
>>59233169
HAHAHAHAHAHA. see;
>>59233214
there's a reason why pokemon revitalised the gameboy and helped nintendo see off wonderswan

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>>59233214
the music sounds almost exactly like Pokemon
did Junichi cop'?

>>59233189
On the other hand, it was made by professionals with a bunch of previous commercial games under their belts, not hobbyists, and it was still total trash. And they still suck at making games even with a prefab engine (e.g. Little Town Hero, made in Unity).

>>59233231
i am begging you to actually compare gen 1 to other games on the gameboy and not chrono trigger or treasure of the rudras

>>59232967
Have you actually played gen 1? Because most of the big bugs that get thrown around require setup. You aren't going to get a lv 100 Nidoking before Brock or randomly encounter Missingo through normal gameplay means.

>>59233220
Pokemon is a DQ 5 ripoff...

>>59232842
bro has a selection of shit takes to choose from, and you choose one that's objectively correct? Gen 1 had tons and tons of flaws but for a standalone JRPG on the Gameboy, it was genuinely a super quality purchse at the time

>>59233270
Was it better than Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy Legends (SaGa)?

>>59233270
I would have clarified GB rpg, frankly. Otherwise agree.

>>59233189
Not to mention that the actual programmers left mid development and Masuda had to learn the language used for the game to finish it.

>>59233276
>DQ
Gbc ports

>Saga
Yes. Even if killing god with a chainsaw is very funny.

>>59233255
It’s insane how overblown the bugs in gen 1 are. It’s like some people believe the game will just implode if you look at it funny. I experienced more bugs playing Arceus and SV than I did in my most recent Red playthrough.

>>59233276
>is pokemon red better than saga?
a question that could only be asked by a complete contrarian

>>59233276
idk, I never played them, but Pokémon was genuinely that previously unknown "small indie company preasu understand"'s first game at the time and was being sold as that game that somehow fit 151 raisable monsters on a Gameboy cartridge

>>59233299
It is a very buggy game but a lot of them are secrets or just seem like intended gameplay. FF 1 on the Nes is probably more buggy. And comparing it to SV where getting stuck in the world geometry is commonplace it's not that bad.

The code is a horrific frakenstein monster though.

>>59233048
Mechanically, yes, but aesthetically, no, pokemon designs, as dogshit as the newer ones are, have a certain je ne se quoi that's hard to replicate, most clones have hardly any if any good designs, and you need good designs in the triple digits to carry a franchise. Temtem literally has only one good design with the platypus. The fact that most humans in pokemon clones are "how to draw manga" tier doesn't help either, though modern pokemon human designs aren't much better.

>>59233067
Borts grew up and can now spew their diarrhea and have been malding forever that their failed attempt at a reboot was the black sheep of the franchise until the switch era.

>>59233168
It didn't need to accomplish anything globally. Taking the Japanese market would have been enough to get Nintendo to force GF to put more effort into the games but Level-5 dropped the ball harder than anyone ever has so GF caught a lucky break and got to continue pushing out shit games.

Believe it or not Yokai Watch was actually bigger than Pokémon was in Japan for a brief period of time but they completely and utterly failed to capitalize on their success and repeatedly made bafflingly retarded mistakes over and over again. Now it's basically a dead series that not even Japan cares about.

>>59232967
>Baited out five furious genwunners
Nice job anon

>>59232966
This holy fuck, it's the cringiest part of these faggot Twitternigger threads. OP, braindead and the biggest faggots ever, posts some garbage and then proves xhe's a goyslopper by having their fucking likes visible.
Holy shit I want to kill everyone itt

>>59233365
There is no available JRPG-like game with the same level of quality as Pokemon's combat, let alone with a PVP mode. Not counting Temtem which is obviously an intended direct successor.

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>>59232842
>it's "unique" so it's good!!
Every single shit I drop in the toilet is unique. Doesn't make it any less shit. What a retarded statement.

>>59232976
>The only people who think this is true are zoomers who didn’t actually play gen 1 and got all their opinions off youtube
Wrong, other way around. The only people who defend this are zoomers who want to pretend they're oldfags. I was a kid when pokemon first came out and I played all three gen 1 titles. Going back and playing them in the modern day is atrocious. THE FUCKING TYPE CHART DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER, the literal anime says "ghost beats psychic" but nope, that isn't how it works in RBYG. Hell, the official nintendo power strategy guide lies about this with ITS type chart.

>>59233049
I did in fact own an original gray brick gameboy and later one of those transparent purple gameboy colors, and played Blue on original hardware. Psychic is OP because the game just does not work properly.
>attempted to play any other gameboy rpgs
Because I hate 90s RPGs, they're boring, pokemon was the exception because it was more than an RPG, but without rose-tinted glasses RBYG don't hold up since FRLG exist. You couldn't pay me to do a full playthrough of any of the gen 1 or gen 2 games. They're that bad. But other games are more technically impressive - such as the DKC ports, or the LoZ Oracle of games.


>>59233000
It failed because it was "overly ambitious". It was a deeply flawed set of games that objectively did not work as intended. It went on to produce a series of mediocre games that rapidly got worse and worse, and other games have surpassed pokemon by leaps and bounds since.

>>59233048
It's shit aesthetically and mechanically it's been beat out by plenty of other franchises like the Digimon Story games or Dragon Quest. Hell, Palworld takes a fat shit all over anything Pokemon has ever put out.


>>59233255
Ghost Type not working correctly is a bug, not a feature. Same with how catching is a buggy mess that doesn't work as intended. LITERAL FUNDAMENTAL PARTS OF THE GAME do not work. Why should I play worse versions of FRLG?

>>59233414
Digimon Story Cyber Sleuth/Hacker's Memory
Digimon Story DS
Digimon Story Dusk and Dawn
Digimon Story Time Stranger
Digimion World 3
Palworld

>PVP
Pokemon's PVP is steaming hot trash and anyone who thinks it's good is a coping retard.

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>>59233126
Gen2 graphics are incredible for GB, back then we all thought gen3 would look like golden sun and be pseudo3d looking. But we didn’t get that until gen5.

>>59233434
>Ghost Type not working correctly
Ghost has like two attack moves and the only Pokemon that is a ghost is weak to psychic. There are bigger problems than just "muh bugs"

>>59233437
Nta, but until the most recent game Digimon always looked aesthetically worse than me.

Newest game got the SMT Devil Survivior artist to do the humans. A game that is in every regard better than Pokemon.

>>59232885
I remember when you started sucking his cock because he said something nice about XY. You just hate everything that isn't immediately beneficial to XY.
>>59233054
>XY character out of nowhere
Point proven.

>>59233434
>Because I hate 90s RPGs
so you hate the genre, great
>RBYG don't hold up since FRLG exist
see;
>i am begging you to actually compare gen 1 to other games on the gameboy and not chrono trigger or treasure of the rudras
>But other games are more technically impressive - such as the DKC ports
maybe if you're blind
>TLoZ Oracle of games.
gbc

>>59233458
>I remember when [SCHIZO FANFIC]

>>59233414
You obviously don't play other JRPGs. Pokemon's combat is agonizingly slow, boring, and braindead. When put next to other games like Kiseki it's actually embarrassing how bad the combat is. Pokemon is so far behind that when PLA displayed the turn order on screen, something that Final Fantasy was already doing 25 years ago, Pokemon fans clapped like trained seals at the "innovation."

>>59232885
I dont see a single wrong thing in any of these posts

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>>59233500
>HGSS forcing you to engage with a wealth of mechanics

>>59233506
>HGSS forcing you to engage with a wealth of mechanics as long as you don't overlevel your starter and give it coverage moves
ok?

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>>59232967
You can play gen 1 from start to finish and not encounter a single bug at all. Meanwhile with S-V...

>>59233521
>not encounter a single bug at all
A complete lie but I suppose your smooth brain wouldn’t notice it.

>>59233537
Post it, fag.
Protip:you can't.

>>59233518
>it forces you to engage with your mechanics as long as you go out of your way to play like a retard
holy shit bros every single game in existence forces you to engage with their wealth of mechanics!

>>59233539
Before you even start gameplay proper, Nidorino has the wrong cry during Professor Oak's spiel.

>>59233518
>retard
A vast majority of RPGs don't have the problem that Pokémon has. Name as many RPGs as you can where the optimal strategy is to level up only one character while the rest are completely ignored.

>>59233521
The fact that you have a chance to miss a 100% attack in gen 1 is a bug btw

>>59233543
> I don't want to engage with the game at all so I will abuse this single mechanic instead
Why even play at all? How miserable are you?

>>59233545
FF5 might genuinely be easier with a single Chemist with everyone else dead. I'm no speed runner though, ask them about optimal play.

>>59233554
>i-it forces you to engage with its mechanics!!
>w-wait you're not actually forced to engage with the mechanics but you're miserable if you don't!!

>>59233543
if you don't roleplay as a 10yo child out to explore the world so he can figure out what to do with his life, then you're not playing the game correctly
>>59233545
how many 1v1 rpgs (that also have a party system) are even out there tho? i know bg2 is easy to cheese solo, if that counts.

>>59233544
>Confused Nidorino's cry with Nidorina
>This somehow makes the game an unbearable unplayable mess.
>>59233550
>Y-you have a 0.00390625% chance to miss an attack! UNNACCEPTABLE!!!!11!!!

>>59233560
it forces you to engage with its COMBAT mechanics if you aren't a cheesy bastard who overlevels a starter

>>59233134
I never knew Ash had an Aunt Hilary and Red was my 1st game. Cool promo.

>>59233564
>how many 1v1 rpgs (that also have a party system) are even out there tho?
See that's the problem. They used a different combat system but didn't adjust the way in which your characters grow. This resulted in an absolutely dogshit system which they didn't address for like 20 years and when they did finally address it they did so in such a hamfisted way that it babified the games even more than they already were because that was the quickest, lowest effort solution.

>>59232842
And he is right

>>59233591
it's fine as long as you don't abuse it and you don't seek out coverage moves. i'd much rather have this functional system that lets bad, underleveled teams succeed and laugh at people who say OH YOU CAN BEAT THIS GAME BY OVERLEVELING YOUR STARTER, HOW EASY!!! if you did that in game you'd be a very annoying kid

>>59233591
Pokemon is only a few degrees removed from just being a sandbox, you've always had to make your own challenge. The only flaw is people who play that way and then get mad that the game is easy.

>>59232943
Why? The post is easy to find. You can find them yourself

>>59232976
I played it long before I even touched YouTube. That is correct. It is a buggy mess.

>>59233610
well if it's that east then maybe (You) could post them

>>59233564
1v1 is honestly a huge part of the problem. There's a reason other RPGs don't do it. Triple battles should have been the standard long ago.

>>59233614
You haven't played many Game Boy titles, have you?

>>59233606
>it's fine as long as you don't abuse it and you don't seek out coverage moves.
That's the thing. A pretty sizable chunk of people played Pokémon for the first time exactly like that. Why do you think the overleveled Charizard with Ember/Flamethrower/Fire Spin/Fire Blast meme exists? That's what a ton of kids ended up doing. It's still easy as fuck.
>i'd much rather have this functional system that lets bad, underleveled teams succeed
You don't have to choose one or the other. You can have a system where you're actually encouraged to level multiple Pokémon while simultaneously allowing people to rush through while underleveled.
>>59233607
>you've always had to make your own challenge.
This is such a copout excuse to defend GF being lazy. We're talking about the same company that attempted a hard mode exactly one time and failed so miserably at it that it's actually easier than normal. GF is lazy and incompetent. There's no reason to defend that.

>>59233630
How is saying you have to make your own challenge defending anything? It's just a fact of how the games were and still are designed.

>>59233044
And he lost. Multiple times. He streamed the playthrough in Discord. By the time he won, he was almost at Lance's level and had to burn through a shit ton of healing items.

>>59233067
We don't have to pretend

>>59233568
>it forces you to engage with its COMBAT mechanics if don't do the extremely obvious thing and play like a retard instead to pretend the shit game is good

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>>59232842
>a broken clock is right twice a day
Op is as always a subhuman faggot

>>59233539
Focus energy literally does not work

>>59233620
that's idiotic. if pokemon was full party stuff then you wouldn't be able to display all the characters on the dmg and gbc and it would look like every shitty rpg on the system, and the game would be too complicated/ need to have damage outputs reduced so you didn't just focus fire everything, like what happens in vgc
>>59233630
>That's the thing. A pretty sizable chunk of people played Pokémon for the first time exactly like that. Why do you think the overleveled Charizard with Ember/Flamethrower/Fire Spin/Fire Blast meme exists? That's what a ton of kids ended up doing. It's still easy as fuck.
the problem there is coverage, because otherwise your rival would just roadblock you unless you grinded. if charmander only had ember and din't get megapunch you would not be able to get to that point in the lategame
>You don't have to choose one or the other. You can have a system where you're actually encouraged to level multiple Pokémon while simultaneously allowing people to rush through while underleveled.
and i agree, but the solution is very simple-make early coverage weaker. spamming normal type moves or elemental punches is the main problem (which gets even worse in newer games where coverage is gained on level up)
>>59233646
and the only reason that cheesy strat succeeds is because of coverage

>>59233683
>that's idiotic. if pokemon was full party stuff then GF would have to git gud at making games and learn how to balance their games properly
Not my problem. Either they make better games or I'll continue to not buy their slop. 1v1 was already embarrassing on the Game Boy when Lufia was giving you a party of 9 all at once, it's beyond inexcusable on modern consoles.

>>59233073
It wasn't even that bad

>>59233276
Nope

>>59233299
I never encountered a single glitch in LA or SV

>>59233467
Zelda Link's Awakening, Mario Land 2, Metroid 2

>>59232967
Other than missingno., which you only encountered because another kid on the playground taught you, it is very unlikely you encountered any bugs or glitches during your first playthrough of Red or Blue as a kid.
>but the toxic and leech seed counter stacked!
No kid ran status moves, those were for fags. Your Charizard ran Flamethrower, Fire Spin, Fire Blast, Cut.

>>59233690
the thing is, they made the games you're talking about and they looked like;
>>59233214
or they looked like dq monsters, which didn't even show your party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkTtA3rkSrg
there's a reason pokemon survived and these awful clones that you've never sought out or played died off. like, these monster taming games already exist, go play them lol
>>59233700
see;
>>59233214
>>59233708
>Link's Awakening
that was built off of for frog the bell tolls and is mostly carried by spritework
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3v2TVI0AJ8
>Mario Land 2, Metroid 2
eh

>>59233434
A real gen wunner grows up thinking ghost and psychic are both weak to each other, like light and darkness. And the best counter to Zam is Jolteon.

>>59233211
Digimon makes more money than you'll make in a hundred lifetimes dude it's your standards that are beyond fucked. You're absolutely mindbroken by 30 year old playground drama

>>59233067
Helps people cope with the abysmal dogshit they've been playing for the last decade to pretend it's always been bad.

>>59233187
>that Joe Merrick tweet
lmao every time
They didn't sacrifice anything about Johto to fit Kanto into the game, they sacrificed their overly ambitious plan to have Pokémon 2 take you across the world with Kanto downscaled as a small part of it in favor of fleshing out an entirely new region with Kanto as bonus content thanks to a better file compression method. And yes, Johto is a fully fledged region when you're not just making a beeline through the entire game without doing daily events.

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>>59233837
johturd is empty and half a region

>>59233815
to break even on a shoestring budget

>>59233840
Johto's barely smaller than Gen 1 Kanto, and that's not counting Kanto's long ass water routes with barely anything on them which puts them at about the same level. Furthermore, the actual map design of Johto has more going on on average than the average Kanto map.

Lewtwo losing
https://x.com/Lewchube/status/2050336224104116546

>>59233840
Tf happened to Sinnoh

>>59233870
Holy shit he got absolutely mogged

>>59233543
>play like a retard
Doesn't mean anything.

>>59233962
If this were actually true you wouldn’t be constantly assblasted about it.

>>59233976
>If this were actually true [SCHIZO MELTDOWN]

>>59233450
Pokemon Gen 1 is some of the ugliest shit I've ever fucking seen, the sprites aren't even on-model.

>>59233467
Gameboy, Gameboy color, same difference. the DKC ports are graphically far more impressive and are shockingly true to the console versions, and the oracle of games mog both gen 1 and gen 2 of pokemon in every way.


But my other statement stantds; FRLG make RBYG obsolete. RBYG are buggy trash where core game mechanics - the type chart, pokeballs - don't even work as they are meant to.

>>59233803
>Grows up
That's the thing right, I'm all grown up. I'm in my 30s. I have the benefit of hindsight. And in hindsight, Pokemon was never good as a game franchise, but the first generation is a colossal failure of terrible game design and anyone who jerks those off but gets mad at how buggy the modern games are has no room to complain.

>>59234008
Gameboy (1989) and Gameboy Color (1998) have 9 years of R&D time apart, retard.

>>59234008
>Gameboy, Gameboy color, same difference.
see;
>The Game Boy line received its first major hardware update with the release of the Game Boy Color (GBC) in late 1998, adding a full color TFT screen and increased system performance with a faster CPU and increased RAM.
lmao
>the DKC ports are graphically far more impressive and are shockingly true to the console versions,
this is donkey kong country we're talking about, right? on the gbc? those have slowdown and look like ass
>and the oracle of games mog both gen 1 and gen 2 of pokemon in every way.
those are literally just link's awakening games
>RBYG are buggy trash where core game mechanics - the type chart, pokeballs - don't even work as they are meant to.
who cares, it tells a story and creates a cohesive setting. most of the modern games are just anime nonsense. gen 1 feels like a real world

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>>59233870
which one of you is this

>>59234003
>the sprites aren't even on-model.
That's because Sugimori's artwork isn't on-model

>>59234013
>colossal failure
highest grossing media franchise in the world for a decade now
>terrible game design
literally just a jrpg that accomplished everything it set out to do, despite its spaghetti coding
>was never good as a game franchise
the mainline games have always been formulaic and have had issues,but there were also a ton of innovative things they tried within the restraints of handheld games. X and Y and the Switch games are where they stopped caring, in my opinion. The other 3Ds games still had tons of soul in spite of the Yokai Watch babyfication, at least

>>59234070
>X and Y and the Switch games are where they stopped caring
Then why does XY have more effort put into it than gen 5?

>>59233854
>the actual map design of Johto has more going on on average than the average Kanto map
you're blind
the overworld of west kanto all looks exactly the same, whereas in the overworld of kanto, there are multiple routes each with wildly different identities

not only is johturd fucking empty, but it's also unbearably samey and uncreative

>>59234081
I just laughed so hard. Thank you, anon

>>59234013
You're 30+ yet peddle mindbroken /vp/ genwar shitposts? You're even at the late stage where the whole franchise sucks to you. "Colossal failure of terrible game design". Why? Because Hyper Beam doesn't need to recharge if it kills? Grow up faggot.

>>59234096
How many maps in Johto have nothing going on. Surely if Johto has worse map design, they'll have less going on than Kanto Route 7, or all the water routes with basically zero map design, or even mediocre ones like 5 or 6. Surely, you can list off 24% of Johto's 20 maps, which would be 4.8 so let's round it down to 4 to make it easier for you (and if you want you can include the 3 "Kanto" routes added as well, if you feel like it would make a better argument).

>thread about kanto immediately devolves into seething about johto
rent free lol

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>>59233545
Nearly all RPG's where you can powerfarm a specific character have this problem.

>>59232929
You're a tranny

>>59234500
Name some. Off the top of my head I can only think of Fire Emblem but that doesn't quite fit the bill because even though having a one man army is advantageous you still rely on other characters. Valkyria Chronicles is almost entirely beaten with teams of two but that's not solo(admittedly there are a handful of missions where Alicia solos) and there are a few where an actual squad is optimal because the objective isn't just rushing to a flag.

>>59234520
In fire emblem dumping all your stat boosters and xp on 1 character makes the games much easier and all Speedruns do this, in dota2 and league funneling is also incredibly broken and league repeatedly adds very hard handed mechanics specifically to not allow it. And xp share in general just removes xp allocation as a consideration and often the other resources you can spend still end up better to just dump on 1 or 2 characters if they stack or don't have some kind of cap. But considering the type of game Pokemon is i don't find it weird that they would allow solo's since the game is sort of characters focused.

Lewtwo's a faggot but he's nowhere near as bad as people like Tahk0 or Mister Merriku

>>59233434
Catching works fine. The ghost shit is a nonissue in the actual game and not the crippling bug you fags make it out to be.

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>>59233434
>Ghost Type not working correctly is a bug
The manual begs to differ.

>>59232842
He's right though. People obsessed with knocking the first two gens are almost always terminally online losers reaching for issues to bitch about, usually to protect the nu-gens which actually have glaring issues that are apparent to everyone.

>>59235148
Nobody would even care enough about them anymore to criticize them if genwunners and their Johto leghumpers hadn't spent an entire decade being max insufferable online first, to the point where it started negatively impacting the actual new games.

>>59235176
The games would be exactly as bad as they are now even with no Kanto pandering.

>continually exhausting
language just gives the idea he thinks of himself as some kind of opinion-police which is deeply unpleasant for someone obsessed with niche autistic microspheres of discussion amongst manchildren about children's games

>>59235176
Imagine thinking GF give a fuck about online opinion lol. Go outside, you nitwit.

>>59233203
gen 3 killed pokemania

>>59235223
Like it or not, it's a waste of resources and dev time for GF to have to keep bringing the games to a screeching halt every five minutes just to remind the genwunner manbabies that Kanto exists. I really don't think it was a coincidence that the games began to nosedive in quality when they started Kanto pandering. It's like how Sonic games were always up and down in terms of quality, but you could see the soul drain out of the IP in real time once the internet successfully bullied them into catering exclusively to classicucks.

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>>59235243
Serebii does the same shit, but he is actually a shill who gets freebies with his good boy points at least. I was actually thinking today how I used to get mad at people for hating things I liked as a kid and one day just realised that it was stupid to care. I'd hate to feel like that in adulthood, must be draining.

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>>59235401
Yeah, DPPt fucking sucks

>>59235401
>The issue with Diamond and Pearl is that the bat Pokemon appears in a place where Bats would appear.

>>59235417
The real problem is these are all shitmons, not because they're Kanto. This is why the Unova swap didn't work

>>59233521
>1/256 chance every single turn to encounter a bug
>Encounter a bug literally any time you are hit by a stat change after Brock
>Encounter a bug every time the AI has a chance to use a status move that it thinks is super effective

Okay genuinely I want to see the true glitchless run of the game some time. Some combination of minimum battles, oneshotting as many things as possible to avoid sand attack and growl, and cautious pokemon typing selection

>>59235486
>>1/256 chance every single turn to encounter a bug
source that it's a bug?

>>Encounter a bug literally any time you are hit by a stat change after Brock
source that it's a bug?

>>Encounter a bug every time the AI has a chance to use a status move that it thinks is super effective
source that it's a bug?

>>59235487
If the game exhibits unintended behavior, that's a bug, anon.
That is all unintended behavior, as evidenced by all of that shit being fixed ASAP. Some of it was fixed as soon as Stadium.
Now, I suppose you could say, Iwata thought these were bugs and fixed them when he made gen 2, and everyone else was too embarrassed to correct him after the fact.
But if Iwata thought as much, it's probably true anyways.

While we're here, the cinnabar coast glitch is also a bug. A bug on multiple levels even. Every single step of this bug is a glitch.
1. Cinnabar is off by a tile
2. Encounter data is not cleared until new encounter data exists
3. Unintended data can enter the encounter data field, and be read as an encounter
4. You fucking tell me what happens with Missingno and item duplication

>>59232842
I don't know who this twitter faggot is but it's insane to pretend that the games that were so insanely popular they became a cultural phenomena that gave the gameboy an entire second wind on its lifespan and spawned the most profitable franchise of all time are somehow actually unplayable garbage OP, maybe use your fucking brain.

>>59235401
>Like it or not, it's a waste of resources and dev time for GF to have to keep bringing the games to a screeching halt every five minutes just to remind the genwunner manbabies that Kanto exists.
You've got it backwards. They realized they were wasting resources and dev time by trying hard when Pokémon was already a MASSIVELY successful IP with no real competition. All the hard work has already been done. They can rest on their laurels for now and likely long into the future.
>Sonic games
Not the same. Pokémon, and Nintendo overall, doesn't care nearly as much about fan opinion and desire. They're bigger and more powerful. Everything is strictly business. They bank on nostalgia because it's a cheap and successful money making strategy, nothing more.

>>59235401
Mania is the only good Sonic game since & Knuckles.

People always complain that Red and Blue are buggy, and yeah, they are, But it's also incredibly easy to go through the game without noticing any bugs.
The bugs in Red and Blue fall into one of two categories. The first are battle mechanics that don't exactly work as intended, but are easy to completely gloss over as intended. Stuff like Psychic's missing Ghost weakness or the Hyper Beam recharge. Yeah, these were mistakes, they were fixed in the next game, but they're still functional enough as game mechanics that they might as well have been intended.
The other is gamebreaking stuff you really have to go out of your way to do.Missingno was a playground rumor for a reason, actually stumbling into him on your own was super rare and most people had to be told how to do it.
They aren't very well programmed games, Game Freak are not good programmers, but the end result still pretty much works fine for a full game playthrough. The idea that bugs make the game unplayable is a meme made up by people who've never played it.

>>59235542
i really wish they kept hyper beam kills that shit was cool as fuck

>>59235547
Honestly at this point I don't even think that would be super good.
It's essentially a STAB Earthquake, forced to be Normal type, that is good for fishing for kills, but basically means you lose if you get called out.
Things get a bit more interesting with the typed versions, a 225 BP attack with actual type interactions are no joke, even if a lot of the pokemon that actually have them are. I think Primarina is excited hy this. Maybe Empoleon.
Typhlosion wpuld be on suicide watch though.

>>59235533
>Pokémon, and Nintendo overall, doesn't care nearly as much about fan opinion and desire.
Nintendo, sure, but that was demonstrably untrue of GF or TPCi until recently. Even before they caved to the genwunners, GF had already changed their approach to level design because of how much the fanbase bitched about Mt. Coronet. And when Nintendo fucked us out of being able to transfer our Pokemon to Gen 3, TPCi stepped in to greenlight remakes and spinoffs to answer the criticism. It's just now that the sales of their slop have reached near-Pokemania levels again that they've started ignoring all criticism (and in fairness, the fanbase itself has proven to either be incredibly spineless or actively want worse games just to spite those who want better ones).

>>59235518
>If the game exhibits unintended behavior, that's a bug
And you know it’s unintended behavior, how exactly?
>th-they changed it in the next game!
Oh so gen 5’s sleep and exp mechanics are bugs? And gems are a bug? And seasons are a bug? Gen 5 must be a buggy piece of shit.

>>59235610
Does the guy at Sabrina's gym say Psychic is weak to Ghost? cause that would show that its a bug
not that it really matters, Gen 1 might as well be just a game with different mechanics. Because well it is

>>59232976
Anon
>Freeze
>Bind
>Critical/Speed
>The type balance
>Second Type
It was a mess, still I agree with the OP pic because even with all the mess it has a level design that Gen 3-6 doesn't have.

>>59233000
>Other rpgs had fixed party members
>SMT
>DQV
>DQIV last part
>SaGa and Romancing SaGa 2
>Suikoden 1
I remember more in the snes that has a class system so you can configurate your party.
Still, pokemon was a good game that help a lot to the genre

>>59235613
He just says he'd use psychic powers to win at slots.

>>59232885
>solidified hgss as my top 5 pokemon games
even if you count them separately hgss is two games thoughbeit? what did he mean by this?

i thought he was a bong what is this ESLop

>>59235661
Speak English, faggot.

i love how whenever theres a lewtwo thread he (you)s any post about him with weak attempts at comebacks near-instantly. probably because hes the one who makes the threads

wheres the bdsp video btw? or have you moved on to a different grift to tell your patreons to hang on just two more weeks/?

>>59233000
Anon, the game is literally a bad imitation of DQ5, a game where all of these things exist.
And then DQ6 did all of this better, since now you can take your monsters into a fully in depth class system, something that is STILL leagues beyond what Pokemon has.

And then SMT had been kicking for longer than the average current /vp/ poster's age before pokemon.
Pokemon didn't innovate shit besides hucking Nintendo's weird peripherals.

>>59233414
You know those people that creamed their pants at the last part of gen 9, where everyone joins up, and you work towards a plot relevant goal, where they felt vindicated that pokemon had finally done something new and magical, and then were subsequently publicly humiliated when it was pointed out that these people had just had their first exposure to a mediocre jrpg, where that segment is just the entire game?
This is what most of these kinds of claims read like.
People that are accidentally revealing just how sheltered they are, and just how few other games they play, by emphasing acknowledging things pokemon did, that have been commonplace for over 10, sometimes over 20 years outside of pokemon.
Pokemon has never pioneered anything. It has never been the best at anything besides siezing autistic people by the root of their disorder, and pumping nostalgia.
Pokemon has never peaked above mediocre jrpgs, and has always been years behind its contemporaries. If pokemon was keeping up with its contemporaries, gen 3 would have looked like gen 5, gen 5 would have looked like gen 7, and gen 7 would would have looked like something pokemon hasn't actually released yet. Legends Arceus looks like a great late Gamecube game. Great might be a strong word, because it would still be compared to something like Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, a contemporary for the period. Pokopia, the apparantly best pokemon game ever released, was already released 10 years ago. It was called Dragon Quest Builders, and it had more features than Pokopia. Even when Pokemon is doing well, it's a decade behind.
All it has at this point is the autists who won't let go, dadgamers who don't have the time or energy for anything else, and nostalgic parents trying to get their kids into something kids increasingly don't actually like, because the games are ass, and they have no affinity for the generational equivalent of the fucking Garfield or Tweety mugs in their parents' room.

>>59235681
Yeah I think he's just a really good larper

>>59235698
>Pokemon didn't innovate shit besides hucking Nintendo's weird peripherals.
Pokemon even gets too much credit for that. A lot of people already had a link cable to play multiplayer Tetris.

>>59232885
He is right though.

>>59235850
He isn’t though.

>>59234003
>the sprites aren't even on-model
Mario Mandate generation comment

>>59233815
>if a franchise makes more money than you, personally, you HAVE to like it
Actual slave to corporations

>>59233871
it's a rom hack, BLOOD DIAMOND

>>59235850
How so?

>>59235764
typed an awful lot when you could've just posted a turn based rpg with better pvp.

>>59235486
I wouldn't call the super effective staus thing a bug, just poor coding

>>59235928
poor coding is literally called a bug

>>59232967
The gameboy only has like 3 good games on it and if you think Pokemon isn't one of them then I don't know what to tell you.
>in before people start naming gameboy color games instead of gameboy games

>>59235928
Yes, and from a certain perspective a Bethesda game crashing isn't a bug, it's just unintentionally coded behavior

Retard

>>59235401
>you could see the soul drain out of the IP in real time once the internet successfully bullied them into catering exclusively to classicucks.
But Sonic Colors, Generations and Mania were all great.

>>59235972
People really don't understand how little the Gameboy kind of offers in a 21st century setting

>Tetris
>Kirby games
>Mario and Wario Lands
>Some okay Mega Man spinoffs
>Some mediocre Castlevania spinoffs
>An objectively inferior version of Link's Awakening, even discounting the Switch remake
>A shittier Picross than the SNES version
>One of the weakest Metroids
>Japanese only games like Kaeru no Tame
>Few niche third party games like Final Fantasy Adventure (really Seiken Densetsu) or Bomberman

Even if this wasn't a Pokemon board, there's a high likelihood literally EVERYONE in this thread would still play Gen I over these games

>>59235972
Tetris
Wario Land
Batman
Both DBZ games
Prince of Persia
Darkwing Duck
Oddworld Adventure
Zelda Link's Awakening
Battletoads
Rampart
Gargoyle Quest
Metal Masters
Nobunaga's Ambition
Donkey Kong Land 1, 2, and 3
All the Mega Man ports
Bust a Move
Harvest Moon
Mystical Ninja Goemon
Both Ren and Stimpy games
The Gundam and Super Robot Wars games (understandable to not know them since they were JP only, and you probably didn't play them at the time they came out. Still masterpieces worth mentioning)

I'm sure I both missed some good ones, and included a GBC game or two, this is just from memory.
Just because YOU were 4, and shat your pants over Chawizawd doesn't mean those were the only games on the console, the only good games on the console, or the only games that did well on the console. Your childish ignorance has no bearing on the actual games on the console. The console was a massive success before Pokemon, Pokemon wasn't that good on the console it released on, at the time it released, and Pokemon only really spread the market to very young children who couldn't play anything else.
Pokefag historical revisionism needs to be punishable by flogging.

>>59236125
>tfw not mature or sophisticated enough to appreciate the unbridled KINO of Darkwing Duck and Ren and Stimpy for the Gameboy.

:

>people who shit on Gen 1 and 2 don't actually like Pokémon
Shocker

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>>59236125
>The console was a massive success before Pokemon
It really shows how young these zoomers are when they pretend Pokemon saved the Game Boy from failure or something. Nintendo had already sold a ton of Game Boys worldwide before Pokemon even existed. GF's slop needed the Game Boy more than the other way around.

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>>59232842
mewtwogroids are so embarrassing. a "cool" pokemon designed to appeal to golem NPC people.

>>59236255
Gameboy was fucking dead bro lmao its glory days were 3 years before Pokemon and was on life support by the time the games came out. It was inferior tech that people only bought because it was infinitely cheaper to play than everything else that era that wasn't a Tiger Electronics game. Pokemon started dev when the Gameboy was NEW and came out when it was literally about to be phased out for a successor which they delayed due to Pokemon's success

It didn't "save" the Gameboy, it "revived" its relevancy when most people already moved on, including Nintendo

>>59236222
You can like Pokemon without deluding yourself into thinking it stands up to the best JRPGs. I like real Pokemon (gens 3-5) but I can admit even those were still pretty mediocre overall by the standards of their genre because I actually play other games besides Pokemon.

>>59236277
>I like real Pokemon (gens 3-5)
got too greedy with your bait

>>59233437
>Digimon story games
All boring dogshit
>World 3
Back tracking hell World 1 is superior
>Palworld
Lmao

>>59236276
If Pokemon had come out on the Game Gear or the Lynx instead, nobody would even have heard of it today. The Game Boy is the only reason Pokemon took off to the extent that it did.
It's a flat-out lie to claim that the Game Boy was "dying" before Pokemon. Many of its best-selling games came out in '94-'95 - Wario Land, DK94, Donkey Kong Land, Kirby's Dream Land 2, etc. Nintendo also refreshed the hardware for the first time in '95 with the Play It Loud line. It's revisionist history to act like they were moving on from the Game Boy when they were actually continuing to release successful games for it and making new hardware revisions. Zoomer genwunners who weren't even alive for gen 1 are even worse than the OG genwunners.

>>59236222
>and 2

>>59235486
>T. I don't know how single byte integers work.

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>>59236305
>95

Cute Anon but Pokemon came out in the west in 98. Absolutely fucking none of the games you listed were best sellers either, all the top selling Gameboy games were years 1-3 like Mario Land, Tetris and the first Kirby. Also Pokemon, which has numbers that are over 6 times the amount of the average Gameboy game. A game that came out when the Gameboy was 7 in Japan and 9 in the West. Pokemon came out deep in the N64 era in the West when DK94 was meant to sell the Super Gameboy

The actual reason the Gameboy is the only reason for its success was the link cable and the fact everybody already had Gameboys while no other console had widespread multiplayer support between consoles like that. So yes, if Pokemon came out on the Virtual Boy, it would be a flop. It's the fact that it succeeded on a dying system that's the real reason it's any impressive at all. You can even argue it was a good way to sell Gameboy Colors too, since they more or less launched simultaneously in the West

To argue otherwise is just to be simply contrarian because you don't like the games when there's so many references to the opposite of what you're positing

Fun fact, we actually have the sales of the GB and you can see how after Pokemon the GB sales exploded to levels of the first years of release.
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/246545/gameboy-total-lt-sales-breakdown/1/

>>59234013
Your life is a colossal failure, 4contrarian retard.

>>59236578
Oh, tell me about the single byte integer that causes the badge boost glitch

>>59236599
>Cute Anon but Pokemon came out in the west in 98.
Even if we go by the American release date, Nintendo was still cranking out million+ sellers for the Game Boy like Wario Land 2 and DK Land 3 while Pokemon was still Japan-exclusive. Were they Pokemon-level smash hits, no, but zoomer genwunners make the GB in the mid-'90s sound like the Vita in its twilight years, and that is also not the case. Nintendo was absolutely not pulling the plug on the GB, they were continuing to support it with games and people were continuing to buy them.
>Absolutely fucking none of the games you listed were best sellers either
Wario Land was the #8 best-seller on the console, DK Land was #12, DK94 was #17, KDL2 was #21, and they all sold more than 2 million units. The Game Boy had 1043 games (not counting the GBC), you are simply delusional to think the 8th highest selling game out of 1043 isn't a best seller.
>The actual reason the Gameboy is the only reason for its success was the link cable
No, it's because the Game Boy itself had already been such a resounding success as a platform *without* Pokemon. The Game Gear had a link cable too, as did the Lynx, and nobody gave a shit because nobody wanted to own a Game Gear or a Lynx. There's a reason GF felt the need to abandon Sega and cozy up to Nintendo when they decided to make a handheld game, and it's because the Game Boy may as well have been the only game in town.

>>59232842
He's a fag but he's right in this case. The nostalgia argument doesn't even make sense, it gets cause and effect backwards. People don't like gen I because Pokémon is popular, Pokémon got popular because Red and Green were great games. To this day they blow the rest of the Game Boy's library out of the water.

>>59235843
>lot of people already had a link cable
You and I both know this isn't true.

>>59233521
>posting an emulator glitch
Not doing yourself any favors.

>posters who were born in 2013 pretending they know what games in the 90's or 2000's were like
Why do I still come here.

>>59238765
unc mad

>>59238450
Dumb ass nigger the shit you're talking about pales to fucking 40 MILLION units, and about 30 million discounting trash ass Yellow version

Stop being contrarian on the Pokemon board, it doesn't make you smart >>59237159

>>59239334
Malding cause you got btfo kek

>>59236349
ESPECIALLY 2.
Gen 2 (and HGSS) is the Pokemon game for people who like playing Pokemon.

>>59238745
>Red and Green were great games. To this day they blow the rest of the Game Boy's library out of the water.
Red/Green was such a colossal piece of shit that Nintendo realized they would have had to re-code the entire game from scratch just to translate the dialogue, which is why the international versions had to be based on Blue. There is no universe where this is a better game than Link's Awakening, any of the Kirby games, any of the Mario Lands, Metroid 2... I mean, come on. When you say shit like this you're just outing yourself as someone who only plays Pokemon.

A turn based RPG (on the Gameboy, of all things) that has near-unlimited party customisation while also managing to limit random encounters to grass, caves and water would have been a pretty big deal back in 1996.

>>59239537
>reeeeee you're not allowed to like different video games
Metroid and Kirby are for fags

>>59239389
You'd still rather play Pokemon over any of the games you're hyping up so it's not really btfo

>>59239488
Only HGSS.

>>59232842

Im gonna actually agree with this one

I dont think people realize how shit RPGs were on the Gameboy. The only game of that scale that was somewhat good was Zelda. Try playing something like Final Fantasy Adventures. Maybe in later gens third party devs crept up on Gamefreak but this is the one time they were legitimately good compared to the competition.

>>59235401
The Classic Sonic games were good unlike most 3D Sonic games (aside from Colors and Generations)

>>59235537
don't mind him, he's a 2000s baby who like others, seethes about everything not released between 2000 and 2009 for existing

>>59235893
off-model 90s or 2010s
:(
off-model 2000s
:D

Sums it up

>>59236277
>gens 3-5
Beyond parody

>>59238765
Don't lump the 90's and 2000's together
They are nothing alike
If anything 2000's and 2010's are quite similar