Gen 1: Beat the mafiaGen 2: Beat what remains of the mafiaGen 3: Evaporate the water/Flood the land, the moment they awaken the legendary, they are scared and ask you, a 10 year old, to fix their shitDP: Cyrus needs the god of space or time because? Also shitty AI and downgrade from EmeraldGen 5: "If we can win people's hearts and minds, we can easily create the world that I--I mean, Team Plasma--desires"Also enjoy hallway region, no BF, no contests, no pokeathlon, no variety.Gen 6: I have a saviour complex while hating poor peopleAlso enjoy the brainlessGen 7: Here's a Xenoblade amount of cutscenes except here these are completely useless, enjoy Hau malasadasGen 8: I have a saviour complex, what? you want to help me? you just need one more day? No, i can't wait that much,Gen 9: My dog is suffering, nobody wants to battle with me, from bullied to bully
>>59233527are you not getting enough engagement on /v/
nope, only one and two make the most sense. At first half of the game, TR sees you as a joke, just some dumbass random kid until it escalates with you taking down Giovanni, it makes sense he looks down on you and gets defeated - he didnt expect Red to take down an enterpriseeverything else is gods, legendaries etc and gay
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>>59233527Yeah that’s why Gen 4’s the best
>>59233527Yes, Platinum has the best story of all mainline Pokemon games. But Emerald's isn't bad. The way you frame it is disingenuous since they don't actually ask for help, and even if they did, it would be consistent with having beaten their asses already multiple times prior, so clearly the most competent individual for the job at that point that they know of.
>>59233527>they are scared and ask you, a 10 year old, to fix their shitThis is kind of a stupid point, and you see similar things inpretty much every game, including Platinum. Cynthia asks you, a 10-year-old, to calm down Giratina by defeating or capturing it, instead of doing it herself.
>>59234824The problem in gen 3 is that THE VILLAINS ask for your help
>>59234836I don't see why that really matters. Why is it okay for a champion to ask a 10-year-old for help but not the villains once they realize they fucked up?
>>59233527>good writingIt’s beyond stupid that Team Galactic steals Pokemon, kidnaps people, threatens terrorism, and commits terrorism all while their head quarters are the largest buildings in their respective cities with their logo clearly visible, and yet the police does nothing aside from one useless retard who is just there to be your cheerleader. At least Team Rocket in gen 1 was implied to practically own Kanto and the HQs in gens 1-3 were actually hidden. DPPt is the first time where it feels like law enforcement doesn’t exist despite policemen being a trainer class.
>Autist neglected by family and peers left in rooms of machines his entire childhood>Becomes spiritually dead, only sees value in pure logic, blames all conflict on the illogical, imperfect spirit>Able to win over people and Pokémon to his cause through sheer confident rhetoric, even has friendship-based evolutions and a one-sided affection from Mars>Final goal is to recreate the world with himself calling the shots, a world without spirit>Actually capable of doing so, Team Galactic even has their own massive headquarters out in the open, and his plan with the Red Chain would have worked, until...>He's pulled into the Distortion World by Giratina, a world without spirit>He's left there seething in a world resembling the very one he idealized, his own raging spirit being the only imperfection>The game doesn't even point out the dramatic irony, it's up to you to realize the poetic justice for a tragic villain who made a legitimate argument>He promises you that he will return, while Mars ditches Team Galactic to find him on her ownYeah he was going to kill everyone, but he was still fundamentally correct in his belief. He just didn't weigh the benefits of spirit because he was deprived of them.
>>59234877>Able to win over people and Pokémon to his causeNot really true. Barely anyone knew about Cyrus' real plan. He was at best lying by omission.
>>59234851Ironically Pokemon Legends Arceus actually goes some way to explaining it. What with him basically using the legacy of a old actually heroic group run by his ancestor. Otherwise, I think a lot of his behavior is a combination of most people not taking them that seriously (Even Cynthia just thought they were just weirdo's until they tried to bomb her hometown) and Sinnoh being kind of a backwater. >>59234877He's basically a immature person stuck as a permanent teenager. Even ignoring how Pokemon is basically Utopian: >The world is suffering and emotion are bad.Isn't wrong. But:>I can fix that on my one by playing god!Is literally teenage behavior. Especially since he's largely just doing it to deal with his own weakness and rage towards his past. >Yeah he was going to kill everyoneOnly thing I will say in his defense is that he did seem to genuinly want to preserve the people that exist as well as Pokemon. Still basically mass brainwash but compared to Volo "Everybody will fucking die and I don't give a fuck" it's noticeable.
>>59233527What about the gameplay is good? Like, specifically? Assuming I don't get off to seeing the same 3 .pngs of Kanto Pokemon constantly appearing on the screen as random encounters?
>>59233527>pokemon>good writing>everRetards
>>59235322Video game standards are low enough that Pokemon is alright a lot of the time.
>>59234851Team Galactic was a legitimate business on the surface, they're an energy company. That gives them a bit of leeway. The minor crimes could be easily thrown out, the kidnapping weren't anything very serious either. Law enforcement wouldn't start coming down on them hard until the bombings, and by then their plan for Spear Pillar was in full swing.
>>59233527Gen 9's story is about the professor and Area Zero, the things you listed are the rival side stories. It's like saying BW's story was about Cheren and Biance, or that XY's story was about Serena/Calem having a melty cause you're better than them.
>>59235336You should have your own standards.
>>59235348My own standards are mostly related to prose. Character writing is very complicated, especially in something like Pokemon where there are a lot of other ways to display characterization other than dialogue. I tend to give video games, including Pokemon, slightly more mileage than I probably should but on average the main issue with Pokemon is that a lot of the the npc dialogue is just kind of boring and uninteresting.
>>59235368>I tend to give video games, including Pokemon, slightly more mileage than I probably shouldSame, because they have the potential to be great as a coming of age story for teens, but they ruin the potential with the execution
>>59235407I honestly think Gen 1 are almost kind of good as far as coming of age stories go. It's a shame the remakes generally try to be faithful rather than actually fix its flaws.
>>59233527To some extent all villains were retarded.
>>59233527that's not SVs story wtf
>>59233527>gen 4>>good writingno
>>59235311See >>59235338. Also...>>59234851They did end up having to leave their fabulous buildings after their crimes were exposed locally, just like Team Rocket. Did you even play the games?
>>59235555Darn it, I posted that image by mistake.
>>59233527I grew up on Gen 4 but the plot kind of sucks. Cyrus is the only interesting thing about Team Galactic, everything else is just spinning its wheels or rehashing Team Rocket
>>59235555quads of truth!>>59235311>emotion are bad isn't wrongif you think emotions are bad, you have some growing up to do
>>59235311>IronicallyHow so?
>>59234812>they don't actually ask for helpThey do in ORAS, exactly because of what you mentioned.>beaten their asses already multiple times prior, so clearly the most competent individual for the job at that point
>>59233527Not the only one, BW and Emerald are up there
>>59235636>BWNo.
>>59235555> They did end up having to leave their fabulous buildings after their crimes were exposed locally, just like Team Rocket. Did you even play the games?Only the Eterna Building which makes even less sense since no one cares about the Veilstone building all game. In fact Team Galactic is STILL there after Giratina is dealt with and Saturn is just allowed to walk free because he had a change of heart after learning what Cyrus really planned to do. Thanks for reminding me it was even more dumb than I first thought.
>>59233527noit is the only game with bad gameplay and bad writing at the same time though
>>59235572The point was that spirit isn't logical or perfect like machines, and is the instigator of conflict like wars. Cyrus believes that in a world without spirit, everything would be like a machine. There would be no strife, just everything working in harmony.
>>59235315High pokemon variety, lots of cool toys like TMs and tutors that are usually reserved for the late or post game, and the bosses are respectably difficult.
Did any of the shit Galactic did pre-bombings have anything to do with their big plan besides the Valley Windworks attack?
>>59233527Stealth genwar thread
>>59235635>They do in ORASask yourself if you think I give a single fuck
>>59235636Bad/Writing is terrible
>>59233527Platinum's writing is worse than DP's. >Cyrus wants to destroy the world>but this will also destroy the distortion world>Giratina decides to stop him by opening a portal that will destroy both the normal world and the distortion world On par with USUM's "oh the blue aliens actually had a Solgaleo/Lunala anyway and let Lusamine torture a baby for no reason lol." Gamefreak just has to turn every story into an idiot plot to justify the forced new setpieces.
>>59235648> In fact Team Galactic is STILL there after Giratina is dealt with and Saturn is just allowed to walk free because he had a change of heart after learning what Cyrus really planned to do. It’s even dumber because Saturn was the one in charge of the Pastoria Great Marsh bombing, the Lake Valor bombing, and guarding the legendary torture/ red chain gem extraction machines. He’s the one who explicitly gets off Scott free because he told Looker he learned that “extremism is bad.” Even gets to stay the leader of Team Galactic as an energy company in their massive Veilstone HQ. Then, the only person Looker actually arrests in game is Charon, the new special Platinum only Team Galactic Admin who does nothing all game. Seemingly just exist to be greedy out of nowhere and get arrested during the ultra relevant postgame operation to steal a rock. Looker needs someone to arrest to show he’s competent (not a total joke) on some level lmao. Cyrus is busy seething in the distortion world so fair enough. Mars and Jupiter literally leave the plot because they’re bored.
>>59235659But enough about SWSH
>>59237263Platinum fleshes out Cyrus more, which is good, but you're right that the Giratina stuff feels like it's there for the sake of it. >>59237287Pokemon's just sorta like that. As long as the baddie says their sorry and learns the error of their ways, they're fine.
>>59233527Have you tried Conquest yet?
>>59237178That Munna was a masochist that liked being kicked, causing it to spew Dream Mist.
>>59237178That munna was the evil one from Gates to Infinity. Those Plasma Grunts are heroic patriots that saved all of Unova!
Platinum only had competant writing because localizer Nob pointed out to game freak how Cyrus had no motive in DP
>>59235572>if you think emotions are badThey are a part of life, but most emotions are generally dangerous unless carefully controlled.>>59235605Mostly because, far as I can tell, it's story was kind of hit and miss with a lot of people here but I do think this was one genuinly good addition.
>>59237939>Literally explains his motiveThe fuck is wrong with people...
>>59237969>but most emotions are generally dangerous unless carefully controlledCope for being a soulless NPC
>>59237975I wish I was.
>>59237263>>but this will also destroy the distortion world>posting headcanon
>>59237425SS has better gameplay than Platinum.
>>59237973this site is filled with retarded zoomers now with no media literacy or critical thinking skills due to subpar schooling
>>59238000Trust me, you are. You're the "woe is me" type normie.
>>59238010Normies are inherently emotional, dumbass.
>>59238014You're not white lol
>>59238008Correct, though frankly I don't think things were that much better around 2008.
>>592380221: I'm Dutch.2: Normie whites are also emotional.
>>59237973Most people can't figure out Cyrus or even simpler villians like Archie & Maxie. And yet, this same people will claim BW is "mature" and "deep" just because it "asks questions".
>>59238035>I'm Dutchlmao
>>59238046>"mature" and "deep" just because it "asks questions"It's like a Participation Award except it's the judges who aren't even aware of it.
>>59238048>Denying realitySounds like you would make a good Pokemon villain.
>>59238062I'm not denying that you're dutch you esl retard. I'm laughing at you because of it.
>>59238073Oh.That's fair, actually.
>>59238046Maxie and Archie have reasonable motivations. Where they fall apart is in any of the logic or execution. Maxie says Mt. Chimney will erupt and create new land for humanity to build on... despite the fact that it'll wipe out a human town and all the nature and wildlife back to zero and make it uninhabitable for hundreds to thousands of years. Archie instead the Macguffin meteorite will stop the volcano and cause it to cool and harden and eventually fill with rainwater and become a lake for Pokémon... despite the fact this would take thousands of years and it makes far more sense to just blow a crater into any other section of land that isn't filled with acidic boiling magma that would instantly kill any form of sealife should water fill it.You can say that they're based on a real conflict that happened, and you can say that they fit the balance of nature theme that permeates Hoenn, but they're just written so stupidly for team leaders who are apparently smart and principled about the topics they're going on about. And it doesn't help that the vast majority of their dialogue is copied and pasted between one another with the occasional word or half-hearted reason (because humans and Pokémon live on land/everything was born from the sea) flipped for another. It makes them feel less fleshed out than if there was only one. What Cyrus wants to do is far more destructive, but he's also aware of this and wants it. He's more or less Hikawa from SMT III.
>>59238347>but they're just written so stupidly for team leaders who are apparently smart and principled about the topics they're going on aboutThey honestly both come across as midwits at best.
>>59238498Like I have a respect for Cyrus who holds onto his ideals into the end of Platinum and promises he will return. But Maxie and Archie both commit nonsensical terrorist actions, it suddenly gets really sunny/rainy, and they say "How could this be? I didn't expect the WEATHER to change!" and say sorry and fuck off to nowhere. They feel so underdeveloped, even in Emerald, though I think Emerald still at least distinguishes them from one another as opposing factions better than RS which made them interchangeable. And ORAS tried to give them and their admins personality traits. Courtney is now a weird autist who worships Maxie and Shelley is a sexy bad girl older sister type character who has a personal history with Archie from when they were kids, but in Gen III they were literally the exact same character with the exact same generic dialogue. That being said, I dislike how ORAS turned everyone into exaggerated cartoon characters. That creates a different set of issues.
>>59235315hi yawnfag
>>59237149>High pokemon variety,lol
>>59238591>Can find 450+/493 Pokémon in Sinnoh>Upset that 140 of these Pokémon (plus another ~31 cross-generation evolutions to Kanto Pokémon) are from KantoWere you seething when BDSP added the remaining 11 Kanto Pokémon
>>59237149>and the bosses are respectably difficultlol
>>59238638>female Infernape>cute name that fitsBased.
>>59238007LolLmao
>>59238004>headcanonNope. Both of the characters who are involved in the distortion world plot outright say so>Giratina is enraged because the two worlds are endangered.>The two worlds must be balancing each other to remain in existence. Without one, the other cannot exist.Cyrus threatening to annihilate one world would do the same to the other.
>>59238035Goedenavond, landgenoot
>>59238848So what's the issue? Cyrus is using the Red Chain to control both Dialga and Palkia, and Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf can't stop both of them at once (compared to DP where they only need to stop one). Giratina needs to intervene and disrupts the whole process and pulls him into the Distortion World, putting a hitch in the process. He thinks that he only needs to defeat Giratina for the Distortion World, and by extension the real world, to lose balance, but you stop him and deal with Giratina yourself and prove him wrong. The Distortion World continues to exist. Giratina put a stop to his plan, and you just stomped out any remaining belief that it could be redone.
>>59238848>Cyrus threatening to annihilate one world would do the same to the other.once again inserting your headcanon, putting words in the mouth of the textreread it carefullyit's so sad how bad zoomer reading comprehension is
>>59239340>eslWhy do you even try?
>>59238591Yes.>>59238638Yes.
