How did they end up becoming the most forgotten set of starters?They used to be fan favorites
>>59241979>be fan favoritesstill are
>>59241979>They used to be fan favoritesNever were.
>venusaur but for zoomers>generic overdesigned cartoon animal #1>generic overdesigned cartoon animal #2
>>59241979>TorterraBad reputation because Ash's Torterra fucking sucked>InfernaleMogged by Blaziken>EmpoleonUgly and overall weak
>>59241979do you have nothing else to do other than shitpost?
>>59241979>They used to be fan favorites Exactly because they're fan favorites gamefreak wants you to forget them so you can cumglaze KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO instead
>>59241979only infernape is
>>59241979>only trio that didn't get mega/giga/regional form, even after their remakeslmao
>>59241979planet retard post
>>59241991>Bad reputation
>>59241990Torterra is (also) for late millennials and is a superior design to Venusaur.
>>59242073> mega/Lame freak forgot how to make good ones now. All of ZA one are either shitmons or skibidis>gigaLame >regional formonly starters that flopped got regional replacements
>>59241990there is no such thing as "overdesigned"
>>59241979They're bland and uninspired
>>59242094yes there is and it's the unovan monkeys trying to juggle too many concepts and overall leading to bland designs because a lack of commitment means none of their significant inspirations stand out leading to a lack of visual and conceptual appeal
>>59241979>starters get cucked because of plass>dialga and palkia turn into horses with a trach tube because of plass>never ever reimagined 3D sinnoh because shitsui was an empty field in plass>no battle frontier because plass spent that development time instead dedicating the postgame to a transgender genie in plassIf you don't see plass and shitsui as a hate crime and not le love letter, then you're beyond cucked
>>59242098>the unovan monkeys are "overdesigned"it's clear you don't even grasp what this term is supposed to mean
>>59242099i see your mental illness
>>59241979Theyre the second most universally liked trio after hoenn(Charizard shilling tanked the kanto starters in recent years)
>>59242122Blasturd drags the lineup down no matter what ultimately
>>59242094I think Empoleon has too much going on in its design. Anyone can look at Charizard, Venusaur, or Blastoise and redraw them from memory pretty easily without trying. Empoleon though? It has the blue eyebrow thing, the blue y-shaped thing on the front that wraps around its neck, the lacy white circles at the bottom of its front area, two yellow spots on its back, three yellow claws on the underside of each flipper.If I were gonna redesign it, I would ditch the spots at the bottom of the white area, remove the yellow bumps on its back, remove the blue y-shaped thing and replace it with a smaller yellow or white ruff, and maybe turn the blades on its arms yellow.Pic related isn't mine and just something I found with a quick google, but I think it's a great example of how to trim down the number of design elements and have it strengthen the identity. You'll notice this person removed the front crest and the holes I mentioned, and it still looks obviously like an Empoleon.https://x.com/addy_valentine/status/1637985381705732096
>>59242122that's the alola trio>b-but /vp/ calls them furrybait!doesn't matter, they still mog the sinnoh trio which is carried by japan loving piplup
>>59242160>three yellow claws on the underside of each flipper.This is probably my least favourite design element of any Pokemon ever. It's completely uneccessary, doesn't really add anything to the design as a whole, would barely be functional due to how much the flippers distend beyond them and only act as a disservice to the bladed flippers motif as a whole by drawing attention away from them. Not to mention the belly spike making it less functional as a sliding penguinEmpoleon would probably be one of my most hated designs if it wasn't for the abundance of humanoid mons
>>59242162funny you say that because the Alola trio is entirely carried by Rowlet in the same way Piplup carries its trio
>>59242162>alola triotranny seal
>>59242145The poll you posted was per-region. Blastoise was competing with the likes of Charizard, Pikachu, Gengar, and Eevee, and not Greninja or the other later gen pokemon. You could cast one vote per-region per day for a about a week. It was only when it was over that they showed the at-large vote totals and treated it like the votes for each pokemon were at-large rather than region-specific. Greninja's high count just demonstrates that it was way, way more popular than any other Kalos-mon. I'm sure Greninja would've placed high in an at-large vote too, but I seriously doubt it Blastoise would get fewer votes than the other starter evos in that format.https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_of_the_Year
>>59242214>Blastoise was competing with the likes of Charizard, Pikachu, Gengar, and Eevee Even without those blastoise would't rank higher
>>59242221You don't seem to understand. Greninja got so many votes because most of the Kalos dex is less popular, the number of original Kalos mons is smaller, AND Greninja is popular. The voting is only useful as a per-region analysis. Or do REALLY think that Reuniclus with 14,129 is more popular than Charmander with 14,049?Kanto also had one of the larger dexes with 151 while Kalos only had 72, meaning there were far fewer votes to go around for Blastoise and other Kanto mons. Greninja benefited from being the smallest category out of them all.
>>59242260i'm pretty sure you can take away all the competition for blastoise and it would still lose
>>59242106It has only ever meant "thing I dislike."
>>59242278You didn't point out where i'm wrong
>>59242160>Venusaur>redraw them from memory pretty easilythe level of disingenuousness in this clause in tandem with the picrel which undermines your point dissuades me from continuing to read this post
>>59241979Best starter trio next to Gen 3
>>59242099>>starters get cucked because of plassthe pedophile who made plass thought goodra's shitty diaper was more important than giving the Sinnoh starters megas
>>59242386Replying to yourself now?
Because they haven't gotten any shiny toys like megas, regional forms, or really strong hidden abilities that buff them.
>>59242160>it's impossible to remember every spot on empoleon>I know every spot on venusaurWho are you trying to fool?
>>59242094Maybe to someone like you who grew up with Gen 4 and are accustomed to tacking shit on for the sake of it.
>>59242645>not me, I grew up with gen 3
>>59242760he's a johtoddie
>>59241990>zoomers>cartoon animalsYou are mentally ill.
>>59242645Pokemon is the most simplistic monster game in the genre. To find something from Gen 4 overdesigned just reveals you're a braindamaged manchild on par with Chris chan.
>>59242082>chespin: 2.5%>soble: 2.1%>grookey: 2%>quaxly: 1.5%LMMMAAAOOOOOOOO
>>59242273well yeah Drednaw is cooler
>>59243074>Pokemon is the most simplistic monster game in the genre.buddy, you need to look at the indie games
>>59241979their positive qualities are self-evident and as such provoke little discussion
>>59242984bottom is better
>>59243074>Pokemon is the most simplistic monster game in the genrestopped reading
>>59242088Late millennials like myself prefer Sceptile
>>59242086>only 193 responsesIrrelevant poll
>>59243875on /vp/, it's the equivalent of 10,000 responses elsewhere
>>59242214>the Japanese only poll results based
>>59243882/vp/ is not even 1% of the entire Pokemon fandom. You’re delusional.
>>59241979Anyways Here's how they'd look like if gamefreak wasn't such a MIDlennial cocksucker instead
>>59243895/vp/ virtually singlehandedly changed the narrative default around Johto from being positive to negative everywhere throughout the IPC
>>59242214Lmao that Japan Poll got outted for being botted by a Jap Youtube stremer
>>59244301Just like how you americans botted the election polls just because some eceleb told you to vote for specific individuals?
>>59241988FpbpPerfection doesn't need improvements
venusaur again but not any better looking. wow, how exciting.a boring fire/fighter monkey. people hate monkeys.overdesigned penguin. he has way too much weird blue spikey shit in his design.
>>59241979BDSP giving them no bones
>>59244355*plass giving them no bones
Greninja is the biggest industry plant that only got popular because of the animesame with that furry grass cati remember people shitting on its design when the games released
>>59241979Because they are the only old starters not to receive anything special.>Kanto starters got Megas and GMax forms>Johto starters got 2 Megas and 1 regional form>Hoenn starters got Megas>Unova starters have 1 Mega and 1 regional form>Kalos starters got Megas and 1 special form>Alola starters got Z-Moves and 1 regional form>Galar starters got GMax formsPaldea starters are exempt for now since they are still the most recent starters.
>>59241979Merchandising
>>59244466Paldea starters all got cracked signature moves, which not even the Sinnoh starters get
>>59244351>people hate monkeysThird worlders and furries are not people.
>>59241979>most forgottenthat isnt the gen 8 starters though.Also Infernape and Empoleon are easily in the top 5 starters of the entire series
>>59245155I like the Gen 8 starters more
>>59245011Said the 4chan loser btw
>>59245155literally nobody is ever gonna forget the gen 8 starters, they're so infamous you either hate them and always think of them as the worst or are a furfag/fujo obsessed with them entirely
>>59245162Lol thirdie.
>>592451844chan is a third world website
>>59245168I assure you most normies wouldnt be able to tell you the names of the gen 8 starters. Show them a gen 1 - 4 starter and there is a high chance theyll get it
>>59245211"most normies" wouldn't even be able to name anything other than gen 1, greninja and maybe gen 2
>>59245155Cinderace is the only popular one, the other two probably (Inteleon is popular in Japan)
>>59244466None of this really matters.No one is arguing Emboar is well known because it got a new form where it holds a stick.
>>59241979They are the most fondly remembered starters alongside pretty much everyone from gen 1 to 4 really. The Piplup and Turtwig line especially, Chimchar less so. I don't know why people even entertain the idea that they look bad or are overdesigned though. This genwar faggotry rots people's brain. How do you look at giant turtle with tree on his back, fire wu kong monk and napoleon penguin without going hell yeah is beyond me.
>>59245244>if i say what the design is then it's coolmuh wukong and literally just a penguin are boring
>>59245230You either hate Inteleon or find it hot it seems like. I'm the former, this thing's proportions are all over the place and not in a good way. Rillaboom really disappointed everyone though, they fumbled the ball hard with that one. In my opinion the gen 8 starters are by far the weakest lineup out of any gen and it's impressive that some of these designs got passed through when starters are supposed to be merch selling machines.
>>59245261You're only saying this because of genwar brain.
>59245261>if i say what the design is then it's coolYes? I literally told you what's cool about the designs in the simplest way possible. All 3 are very straight forwards ideas implemented very well with nicely discernable shapes and color schemes. They are rad and you are a contrarian not even worthy of a (you)
>>59245271nah man if I was genwar brainned I'd go for Torterra as well or bring up some other starters, I've always found the Gen 4 starters lame
>>59245230Cinderace and Infernape are my favorite Fire starters
>>59245308Those are my least favourite, to war
>>59245308poor bnuyy having to carry his dogshit terrible gen
They're the best starter trio
>>59241979They're good but not great. Infernape's design is more appealing than Blaziken's, Torterra was always cool, and Empoleon being water/steel is kind of neat, at least.
2>4>3>1>>>9>5>7>6>>>>>>8, averaging how cool each starter of a gen is and taking into account all stagesDon't @ me
>2stopped reading there
>>59241979Every time I play a Sinnoh game I treat my Turtwig like this
>>59245532>9 that highFUCKING KEK
>>59245555
>>59245532>2 at the topUnfathomably based.
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>>59245263>Rillaboom really disappointed everyone...except for chads and patricians.
>>59245532>9 that highbased and trvke
>>59245230Cinderace’s popularity baffles me, I can’t comprehend it. I might just be aged out.
>>59246286it's not popular >>59242082
>>59246304https://pastebin.com/rFq663H7Going by those results Cinderace is still by far the most popular starter from gen 8 at least
>>59246265literally no one like rillaboom for any reason other than its competitive use
>>59246304I don't think a reddit poll dictates what's popular fucking kek>>59246286He's popular because of the anime, being playable in spin off games like Unite and Pokopia and he's based off a popular sport, I like him because he reminds me of Gouenji from Inazuma Eleven but as a cool fire ball kicking rabbit
>>59241979Retarded jobmons
>>59246469>literally no one like rillaboom...besides chads and patricians.
>>59246668Ah, so it’s familiarity. Makes sense. I wonder if you could make people like Emboar through forcing it every possible game and show.
>>59246826Emboar is still less popular than Feraligatr despite getting a mega that doesn’t look like shit, so no.
>>59241979They never got pushed like the other starters. They have no generation gimmicks or other pushed mechanics on them. Just raw style.
