What made them the best overall starter trio among all? And why Game Freak failed to replicate their success?
>>59242282>What made them the best overall starter trio among all? By not being obese kaijumons
>>59242282They were made before the big artstyle shift began and after the experimental phase when gamefreak had figured out what a "pokemon" was.
>>59242282Blaziken hardcarriesSceptile was the Ashnime protag's and the first cool-slim starter typeSwampert line attracts millions of neurodivergent fanboys and fangirls for some unknown reason
>>59242282Blastoise ruins Kanto's lineupTyphlosion and Meganium ruin Johto's lineupEmpoleon ruins Sinnoh's lineup and Infernape is a bootlegOnly Serperior is good in UnovaOnly Greninja is actually good in KalosOnly Decidueye is passable in AlolaThere are no decent Galar startersOnly Skeledirge is good in Paldea
>>59242282They're mid
>>59242360Make it more obvious that you grew up with Gen 3
>>59242285Swampert is fat, anon.
>>59242282They're only so popular because third worlders can relate to them.>looks like a human>but it's actually an animal
>>59242379t.scaliefag
>>59242282Sceptile is generally viewed as the weakest, but is carried hard by the coolness factor and its additional roles in spinoff games and the anime.Blaziken has a slightly divisive design, but is insanely strong and Fire/Fighting would become iconic for how future gens tried recycling it.Swampert had Mudkip memes and absolute in-game dominance in its home region.Despite some minor flaws there is no clear "loser" among them, and popularity polls support the idea they are well balanced in terms of people liking them equally. Plus they all got Megas which further strengthens their appeal. In terms of group identity, they're second only to the Kanto starters.
Third best I’m afraidSinnoh clears
>>59242739>S Tier is an Avian, Reptilian, and Amphibian>"scalie"
>>59242737That only explains why whites are into them though. Since whites self identify as animals, like you.
>>59242990the only thing sinnoh clears is a clearance saleand galar of course
>>59242691I'm a gen 2 guy. I just think 3 has the strongest dex overall.
>>59242364Wrong, Blaziken is the anchor>>59242285fpwp as usual
>>59242282>Kanto>Charizard : Cool>Venusaur : Cool>Blastoise : Cool>Johto>Meganium : Gay>Feraligatr: Cool>Typhlosion : Cool>Hoenn>Swampert : Cool>Blaziken : Cool>Sceptile : Cool>Sinnoh>Empoleon : Cool>Infernape : Cool>Torterra : Cool>Unova>Pig : Fat>Seal with bone disease : Shounen-bait>Snake : Gay>Kalos>Qwill me : Fat>Frog : Shounen-bait>Delphox : Gay>Alola>Incineroar : not fat but still "silly">Primarina : Gay>Decidueye : Shounen-bait...you get the idea. There will never be 3 cool starters anymore, it will always follow the Unova special of "one is silly, one is gay, one is like a shounen protag"
>>59243112>fat fat fat>gay fat fat>fat gay fat>fat gay fat>fat fat gay>fat gay gay>gay gay gayftfy
>>59242282>What made them the best overall starter trio among all? They weren't. The gen 4 and 5 trios were better.
>>59243112Blastoise is fat, charizard is shounen bait, and venusaur has a giant pink flower on it.
>>59243112>Son Goku Pokemon>Not Shonen-bait ???
>>59242282>What made them the best overall starter trio among all?nostalgia>And why Game Freak failed to replicate their success?the passage of time
>>59243112It's always funny to me when people try to pin the blame on Unova for this because they always get the Unova trio wrong. The Snivy line is the ONE time GameFreak has explicitly come out and said "this is meant to be the cool starter", yet everyone will always claim that it's meant to be Samurott
>>59243216waterfags and delusion go hand-in-hand
>>59242379Typedo and Manboobgatr ruin Johto’s lineup
>>59243124You’re wrong. Infernape is just a lamer Blaziken, and Serperior is the only decent Unova starter.
They will never be able to make a cooler Grass starter than Jukain
>>59243065Looks wise? Because its not in stats
>>59242379What a terrible list
>>59242727if THAT is "Fat" then charizard, blastoise and venusaur are morbidly obese with a type 2 diabete >>59243075Found the fatfag
>>59244270And then proceeds to share even more garbage taste
>>59244270I've grown more neutral towards Primarina. My only issue is how aggressively feminine it is, and it completely off siding the clown motif Popplio had. But it's a nice design in of itself, I just wish it slightly less faggy
>>59244270This one is even more shit than that fags, just stop posting tier lists lmao
I don't use Swampert much anymore but back in the day he was a literal god. Blaziken was a means to play the game on normal difficulty, and Sceptile was hard mode because it hits none of the gym leaders hard, and I used Swords Dance a million times expecting Leaf Blade to hit harder like a retard
>>59242282>physical movepool>special attackerOH NO NO NO NO NO NO LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS STATLINE
>>59242379faggot list.
>>59242282They really are the best group of starters. I just wish Sceptile was as strong as the other two.Blaziken and Swampert are both kings for in-game playthroughs and have strong competitive history.Meanwhile Sceptile gets cucked in its home region since many Water-types are not weak to Grass.They should have given Sceptile a secondary typing from the beginning. Maybe Dark, Flying, or Electric.If Sceptile is meant to be the Special Attack-oriented one, then fix its stats and movepool.Imagine a world where Sceptile is actually a good Special Attacker?>Grass/Electric>HP: 70>ATK: 70>DEF: 70>SpA: 125>SpD: 70>SPE: 125>New STAB over the Gens with Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Electro Ball, Volt Switch, etc.>Gets actual special moves instead of physical moves, like Earth Power, Air Slash, Dark Pulse, etc.>Maybe swap Unburden for something like Regenerator to pair with Volt Switch?
>>59243903The random Sceptile in the corner makes me wonder if this was generated by AI. AI often does random crap like that.Which would be a shame because the actual Mega Sceptile in the art itself is quite good.
>>59244488It’s a TCG Pocket card art. They do these pink silhouettes for mega evolved Pokemon
>>59242282>Blaziken>So strong in Gen 5 it got banned to Ubers>Swampert>Cornerstone of OU and UU across many Gens>Sceptile>Pain
>>59244273Found the copefag
>>59243112>not liking meganiumsign of low testosterone
>>59244488>>59244501That art is also a part of a line of full art cards using the entire line which shows that the rest of Sceptile is on Grovyle's card. It's really cool and a good enough trade off for getting the Immersive spot getting robbed from it.>>59242961Seconding this. To have any sort of loser you have to cut out any and all extra media and even then Sceptile still has that niche of being a Grass type with decent STAB that didn't also inflict confusion on the user and a surprisingly decent Gym matchup spread.
>>59242379>>59243883why are johtofags like this>>59243216But then they gave samurott a super cool regional with the McCool-type while snivy is still seen as the girl starter to a lot of people
>>59243304takes real skill to be shittier than rillaboom goddamn
>>59242282The colors, put them near every other starter and their colors stand out.
I just invalidate any tier list that puts Meowscarada anywhere but above B
>>59246136Thank you for sharing that art. Gives some more context behind why the random ghost Sceptile is there-Because it jumps straight to Mega Sceptile.Yeah I wish GameFreak would realize Sceptile's popularity and give it the love it deserves. Most popular Hoenn starter and 4th most popular in Hoenn.Plus Treecko and Grovyle placed top 30, the only Hoenn starter line for the whole line to be top 30.I do appreciate how close all the Hoenn starters are together though. Sceptile, Blaziken, and Mudkip are literally back-to-back-to-back.
>>59246245any tier above F is too high for Meowscarada
>>59244146Well duh. If it were stats it'd just be whichever gen is newest because of powercreep.
>>59244270You can tell a skelecuck made this
>>59246305Game freak has never cared about organic popularity, they only care about their favorites and shill the fuck out of only those. If game freak didn’t worship Hoeen, sceptile would get nothing at all.
>>59246335Yeah a skelecuck would totally put Skeledirge that low. Retarf
>>59246305For a smidge of extra context, Pocket also gives ex Mons a CG full art card and Megas get a silhouette of their base form doing the same pose.
>>59242282>people still pretend Sceptile isn't noticeably shittier than Blaziken or Swamper, both in game and competitivelyIt's been 20+ years, it's time to accept this fact.
>>59247124who is pretending that Sceptile isnt shit
>>59247128OP and many people in this thread.
>>59247131I don’t think anyone here is saying Sceptile is good competitively
>>59247131Everyone knows Sceptile is a shitmon, it just looks cool
>>59247135Then I will simply preach it to the choir. And believe me when I say I don't like Sceptile being bad there, I think Game Freak should give it buffs as an apology, rework its mega, just something. But it also has the misfortune of being in a Gen where its two siblings found success in their own ways and it simply has to be bad.
>>59247147It’s the offensive grass-type curse, it really wants some broken ass ability and better minmaxed stats but instead it gets fucking Unburden, a shitty mixed spread, and a half-assed movepool.
>>59247152I'm baffled that after Bulbasaur they were too afraid to give grass starters sleep powder. I know it wouldn't be a major buff but it'd be something. Lack of dual typing also obviously doesn't help either. Honestly it's sad at how little went right with it, and I think that's why it just fell out of that "cool" factor in my eyes. Even Ludicolo and Breloom in that same Gen feel better to use, but at least the former has water and ice moves going for it.
>>59247152>give it stats for fast special offense>all its good moves are physical>too frail to cope with swords dance boosting>pure grass so does fuckall damage and takes double damage from everything>hidden ability gives a conditional boost to the one stat it didn't need boostedSceptile is a fucking meme. It needs a pretty hefty rework to be any good.I'd let it have the dragon typing by default, change unburden to sharpness, and rework the stats to make it a physical attacker instead. Sharpness boosted leaf blade and dragon claw would at least do something.
>>59242282>Sceptile is a skinnyfat kaijumon with a tree up its ass>Blaziken is a taekwondo jobmon>Swampert is an obese kaijumon with a cd smashed up and the pieces shoved into its head and up its assWorst starters
>>59247246If they’re the worst why did they get megas?
>>59247253Because they needed them to not be shit, only for the megas to make them even more shit
>>59246245Same, tells me enough of their weak taste
>>59247192Sorry, only nu-gen starters get retarded minmaxed stats and broken ass abilities. Decidueye excepted of course.
>>59242282Water/Ground is a disgusting type when you give it to something with a starter's BST.Fighting with actual moves turned out to be pretty great.Sceptile's okay. It didn't do anything that special, but 2/3 for a starter trio still puts them in the upper echelons.
>>59242282Very diverse designs while being simple.
>>59242282All of them look cool.
>>59242282they dont have a stupid job or stupid themes and they have a cool design
>>59242282Garbage designs except for Swampert
>>59243165>"Pathetic Saiyan"
