>canonical legendary master of the only legendary group of Kanto>has literally never ever been available in Kanto
>>59244411
>told to accept it due to no-one wanting to waste money the tranny spent without oversight>is surprised it's treated like nuclear fucking waste sinceYeah, funny that...
>>59244430It's treated in the same way as Ho-Oh, they even made the final ashnime series begin with Lugia to parallel how the first one began with Ho-Oh.
>>59244411My queen would NEVER go through an edgy phase and joy ride a stolen boat while in full black face…
>>59244438No, Ho-Oh's maligned because that thing exists. They don't want to push Ho-Oh, because they established they push the pair of legends and shitheels would expect them to push the tranny's self-insert along with. Easier to just not so they don't have to touch the thing.
>>59244446>why is this nigger calling Lucia trans?>tfw I only know Lugia from games>look it upMan this is actually a fucked up story. I literally felt my gut twisting reading the about that poor fucking writer spiraling as he watched the director bring in a male VA for the only Pokemon he or any other person from his team got to design.Meme moment, to say the least, once you get past the pain.
It was just the sex tho, the sex tho
>>59244467I'm having trouble finding any context on this. Got a link or a summary?
>>59244475>tldr: designer for lugia said she’s was made to be nothing other than female>lugia was made for the Y2K movie>director whatever the fuck brings in male voice actor>writefag: “n-nani…! TASKUTE NIGGER-POKETSUMONO~~~”>says nothing>develops stage 4 ass and intestinal cancer>seethes about it laterCould be summed up with two of the most common rage comics pretty easily.Seems like he won since the cries in game are pretty feminine
>>59244411>lives underwater>no dive yetHe outsmarted Oak.
>>59244445Your "queen" is male btw
>>59244411Did this EVER come up in the games at all? Pretty sure it was only ever in the movie, that came out before most anons on this board were even born
>>59244795It's touched upon in mystery dungeon
>>59244795>Did this EVER come up in the games at all? Just a few fanservice nods, which the pokemon fanbase historically has trouble with.
>>59244446Shadow Lugia/argument destroyed>but but butokay then, Suicune and Entei starring in movies without each other>no, mainline games-Mew and Mewtwo appear without the other all the time
>>59244795HGSS japanese commercials literally show the beasts and Ho-Oh as counterparts of the birds and Lugia, and XY lets you catch one of the birds in a cave named after the japanese mythological figure that inspires Lugia. It's barely there but it's a thing, Lugia is the master of Zapdos, Moltres and Articuno.
>has literally never ever been available in KantoSevii Islands are as good as Kanto since they're from FRLG.
>>59245043Case in pointhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfeYYUOLX1Y
>>59245063>BB Academy and Kitakami are as good as Paldea since they're from SV
>>59245074There are islands belonging to the real Kanto, considering you go there by boat where are they if not Kanto?
>>59245088You know you can go to navel rock from Hoenn too right?
>>59244411>canonical legendarynah, it was shoved in at the last minute because of the movie
>>59245111>it's not canonical because it was added to the canon game close to the release dateBehold, a non-canon pokemon.
>>59245123sex with mew
>>59244411shoehorned in, originally there was only Ho-oh and it was only Pokemon Gold. If you look at the early Gold dex from the leaks, there was no Lugia until like the second revision
>>59245139A bunch of the early stuff is really funny, like Ho-oh having the extremely rare type combo of mono Flying
>>59245123are you stupid? mew was always a thing because mewtwo came from it. it simply was made available at the end of development
>>59245043>>59244826 here, thanks for the proofYou even forgot BDSP
>>59244795Only in media outside of the games so no, unless if you count Mystery Dungeon. You can't even get the birds in GSC
>>59244701Yeah, okay
>>59245036>made by TPC>this somehow changes Game Freak's attitude to the thinglol
>>59245066Lame as fuck that they never brough back Shadow Lugia even in side games
>>59245440Pokémon Yellow Version and Jesse and James in Let's GO
>>59245212>no no you see it's different because Mew was a thing... in lore!And yet it was added as a tangible thing last minute. Same as Lugia.
>>59245338Yeah I memoryhole'd BDSP and so should you, this isn't the gotcha moment you think it is, at all
>>59245470And where's the lugia shilling since? Being thrown into the VGC leggo collection effort doesn't count, it's still treated like toxic waste.But again, they created Ho-Oh themselves, they were forced to accept lugia as no cunt involved wanted to waste money on a movie project still determined to be a back-up to Game Freak's games.
>>59245355Read the post above yours and the post it is quoting. Educate yourself.
>>59245395Sudo literally died miserable and cucked precisely because it is a male. Kill yourself and talk to him if you don't like it, I guess.
>>59245583>less evidence prove my point more
>>59245178Honestly I would have preferred that because the idea of Fire-Flying bird resurrecting three pokemon and only one of them sharing types with the chicken is weird as fuck. And yeah it's a phoenix but at the end they added Lugia and didn't make it a water type so pure flying Ho-Oh wouldn't have been THAT weird
>>59245603>putting words in my mouth because you are too mad your point is nillWhat a fucking loser. I posted sources of Lugia being the birds' master, you tried to get me for not taking into account the most atrocious piece of shovelware ever released under the brand's name, which wouldn't have changed anything because I already posted proof from other (actually decent) games. You have nothing but your pettiness, you can stop trying.
>>59245613> I posted sources of Lugia being the birds' master,No, you posted the nods that the games have and added info to them. The very thing I said would happen.>you tried to get me for not taking into account the most atrocious piece of shovelware ever released under the brand's name, which wouldn't have changed anything because I already posted proof from other (actually decent) games. If you think that's what happened then learn to read.
>redditspacing>"no you didn't post proof you posted proof but not all of them like I predicted, therefore... you... you didn't! You can't read!"More pettiness. Go try farm (You)s somewhere else.
cope
>>59245602Only a tranny would think males give birth
>>59245645Male Kingdras give birth.
>>59245681Lugia isn't based on seahorses.
>>59245645>but in my fanfic...Anon I know someone as stupid as you has a hard time using more than one brain cell but ask yourself why Sudo, who wanted Lugia to be female, fell into depression over Lugia being depicted as a guy if Game Freak truly made Lugia a girl like you said.I will give you a tip: Sudo was sad because things didn't go as he wanted.
>>59245719>h-he killed himself because his OC was misgendered in a non-canon movieAnd then they made a canon episode of the show where it was female and had a child. Real classy of you to simplify a man's reasons for suicide down to a single moment though.
>>59245586Pokémon the Movie 2000>$30,000,000 estimated budget>$133,949,270 gross worldwide>$103,949,270 profitthis is immediately after investors saw the numbers of the movie before this:Pokémon the Movie>$30,000,000 estimated budget>$163,644,940 gross worldwide>$133,644,940 profityet your retarded ass in delulu land thinks that nobody wanted to "waste money" on this "movie project"
>>59245463It's in GO
>>59245777and inb4 "still a side project so doesn't matter"
>>59245764>this ashnime shit isn't canon, this other ashine shit is canon tho please believeFucking kek, what an embarrassing post.And no I didn't say he killed himself just for that, but don't worry I'm aware that if you knew how to read you would know Lugia is a male already, no hard feelings.
>>59245853>this ashnime shit isn't canon, this other ashine shit is canon tho please believeThis is exactly what you're doing though. You're refusing to admit that there is a female Lugia in the anime that has a child.
>>59245593commercials are not the actual game you fucking retard. BDSP's Park also doesn't have a correlation since Kyogre and Groudon would also be related to the birds for the same exact reason since their progression is also tied to completing the Kanto Room
>>59245945>conveniently ignoring you literally call Moltres, Zapdos or Articuno in the cave named after Lugia's inspiration
>>59245871>no uI never cared about the ashnime. I'm telling you Lugia is at the end, in canon (which is something beyond the trashnime) a male, and if you knew even at surface level something about the phoenix-dragon pairing in asia you would understand why it goes like that.
Lugia isn't a unique Pokemon. It's a species with multiple individuals.
>>59246035Best part is that the relationship comes form how the phoenix changed from having two different names one for the male and another one for the female but eventually the names got mixed and the creature was seen mostly as female to associate with the male dragon, meaning even removing Lugia you could still have Ho-Oh as only big legendary that could be of either sex, in a way like how Mew looks like underdeveloped organism, like a fetus, and thus Mewtwo could be of either sex too.But then Lugia was shoehorned so Ho-Oh had to adjust to being the female and having male Lugia as counterpart, and future legendaries were thus also divided in male and female.Conclusion: Ho-Oh should have been the only legendary of GS.
>>59245777>investorsYou mean Creatures and Nintendo? Pokémon doesn't have "investors" you retarded little monkey. It was born out of a deal between Game Freak and Nintendo for production of one moncap game, with Creatures providing further cash injections mid-way through development to ensure the game got made, in return for a dev credit on the splash screen. When it got big, like BIG-Big, Nintendo and Game Freak deferred to Ishihara (who had become known as the "King of Toys" in Japan, due to having an eye for successful toy pitches), who decided the early success needed to be supported, with manga, a tv show and merch. Tajiri, Ishihara and Nintendo reps attended weekly friday product pitch meetings to review EVERY offer they'd gotten for pokémon collabs where they'd reviewed each personally before accepting or denying the pitches. As we all know, by that stage it was a juggernaught and they greenlit a movie to support Gen 1. Well, Ishi had mentioned anime-tie-in series tend to die as the product dies, but with Gen 2 games delayed they collectively decided to greenlight a 2nd to help the eventual releases. Which is where my point comes in, shudo went off-reservation and ACTUALLY thought the anime's success was due to HIM, thus he created his own unique snowflake fucker as a self-insert (meant to be uncatchable, as he was a incel fuckbag so didn't want anyone to "get him" like they did the common things), leading to Game Freak assimilating it, redesigning it to fit in their world, then mandating officially it was male, because they'd already created AND fucking teased a feminine fenghuang-inspired box legend for the 2nd generation of Pokémon. I find it hard to take the witterings of people here seriously, when they prove just how little they understand of how the IP is set up and operates and has done so since inception.
>>59246048>Conclusion: Ho-Oh should have been the only legendary of GS.That was the intention. But the tranny had ideas above his station, so we ended up in this timeline.
>>59245719>Sudo, who wanted Lugia to be female, fell into depression over Lugia being depicted as a guyI'm sorry, but it that was his reason for depression (i highly doubt that but for the sake of argument i'll be reductionist) then he needed to nut the fuck up and get over it. Some creators had to watch their pokemon either be reduced to enemy fodder, become made into shitmons, used for the freakleak crap, etc. A slight voice change is nothing compared to that shit.
>>59245139This thing was probably one of the original candidates for the second version.
>>59244418The point of the legendary bird trio is that they're a trio of ass holes. So Lugia comes in to tell them to fucking stop. In response, the trio fights back because FUCK LUGIA. It's a role similar to Rayquaza
>>59246133It could just be a regular lion dog that was rejected though. At the observed in-development builds that have been seen, didn't seem to have two separate mascots at all.
>>59246133I could see it, honestly my guess behind what is what is that the Legendary Beasts weren't a trio but a singular Pokemon that became a silver counterpart to Ho-Oh
>>59245036Lugia is in XD because Ho-Oh was in Colosseum
>>59246146Doesn't one of the gym leaders or elite four say they were saved/guided by one of the birds though? Or am i thinking of a different game
>>59245719>fell into depression because of lugiaThat’s not what happened.You’re a subhuman discord trolling tranny that should kill itself.Every piece of media since is respecting the designers intent rather than the one off committee decision a quarter of a century ago.
>>59246035It’s a legendary so canon wise its biology is never explained. It’s design was and is female.You again are an attention whoring subhuman faggot and you should kill yourself.The committee being soul less bugmen is the only reason there is confusion, the writer understood design elements he was pulling from and properly conveyed them. His opinion overtly trumps what ever gay agenda you shill on TikTok to minors.
>>59246081You’re a dumb lying nigger. He was given agency to write as he wanted, since nothing was broken, and movie 1 was a blow out success. If there was as much committee intervention as you imply, how could he go off the reservation? He couldn’t even veto a VA to growl into the mic. He was a successful writer for the company.You’re such a lying subhuman you’re entire genealogical line should be extinguished. Not in assholes like you enjoy but in a gulag. Funniest bit is you implying you know how anything works when you’re overtly a discord trolling subhuman.
>>59244446Wtf are you talking about. What tranny
>>59245777Lmao those are turbo flops. You need at least 1 trillion to break even
>>59246378>he had agency to write as he wantedHistory proves THAT incorrect, given he went off on one due to his self-insert being turned male against his writings. How about you stop being an ignorant retarded cunt all your life, hmm? Especially when we have fucking canon record proving the cunt was kept on a leash she chaffed on.>>59246999His creator, you dumb shitbag. Amazing you cunts scream about boogymen, yet unironcally ignore the biggest fucking example of one the series ever presented. It's the whole fucking reason they wrote a second Mewtwo when it came time to do Genesect movie, they weren't dealing with her estate to get the rights.
>>59246359>this casual rat thinks legendaries don't have canon sexStopped reading here
>>59245569no, mew was always a thing and part of the narrative of the game, even if they never had it included as a catchable pokemon. while lugia was never part of the game and was only shoved in because of the movieapples and oranges
>>59245780its not even the same design>b-but it's shadow!lame ass fart aura#notmylugia
>>59247479>but in lore..!Sorry. Mew wasn't supposed to be in the game. It's not canon.
officially recognized in the Teraleak DP religion...
>>59247488It's worth noting Turner came to Game Freak's attention, specifically for his redesign of Lugia. I never connected the dots before, but now I can understand why. They saw it as an objective improvement on what they'd been left stuck with, despite knowing they were both mid.
>>59247738And it was added in Gen 2 when tajiri was running the show and had an entirely different canon. Them shoehorning it into their lore (from looks of things, Ho-Oh seemed to be intended to be the Trio master of BOTH the Beasts and Birds) after the fact does not make their disfavour of it any lesser over the years.
>>59246081>companies don't have investorsstopped reading there
>>59247738Sorry anon it's not canon because a brown retard in a taiwanese image board set a certain time frame to when it's allowed for them to add pokémon in the middle of a game's development, and Lugia happens to be too late so despite being in the canon games, canon pokédex, canon lore and canon... everything, it's actually a non-canon pokémon somehow. Sorry, I don't make the rules, that guy does.
>>59247780You alphies are too easy to bait.
>>59247024NTA but your self-righteous ass should slit your throat.
>>59244411>>>canonical legendary masterPokemon Mystery Dungeon isn't canon, dumb kid.
>>59247796And your bitch arse should learn to handle reality better and stop being an ignorant motherfucker. But that's not going to happen this lifetime either, so we're at a stalemate. You're too thick to learn, I'm too comfortable in my own skin to an hero, because some sperg child has a mad at the world and taking it out on me.
>>59247773In the sense that you motherfuckers throw it around, because burgerstan studios are bought and sold like pokémon cards between collectors, no. Nintendo DO fund the budgets for the games and TPC WAS set up by Creatures, Game Freak and Nintendo setting aside portions of profits way back in the days before you started existing so there were in fact investors to the enterprise and still continuing to this day. But TPC is privately owned by the three, Game Freak and Creatures are privately owned and Nintendo don't tie share ownership to company control, so no motherfucker can influence their operations, much less their vote on matters they're involved in such as Pokémon. And with TPC self-sustaining since being set up, there is no actual investors to shape and mould direction. Even TPCi was established to be owned by TPC, which in turn is owned by the three separate companies. They're shaped specifically to NOT need outside investment like cunts on the NASDAQ, FTSE or whatever cry for spergs paying in for the promise of profit. If you mtherfuckers are too fucking thick to read up on shit so simple and easy to source, how the fuck am I supposed to take what any you cunts say seriously?
>>59247769> entirely different canonkek
>>59246146>It's a role similar to RayquazaDid Groundon and Kyogre ever actually fight back against Rayquaza?
I've tried to know everything I can about beta Pokemon stuff, but do we know anything about who was originally going to be on the box art for Gold and Silver before Lugia existed?
