They have shitmon stats, bad move pools, and were so obviously intended to be shillmon that it crosses into self-parody.You don't hate the monkeys enough.
you don't LOVE the monkeys enough
>>59248172They're intended to be a second set of starters
>>59248172Puzzle solution to the first gym.
>>59248172Would competitive evolution redeem monkeys, or are they beyond saving?
>>59248191Only if it's quadraped for all three of them.
>>59248172If they were attempted in the modern day it would just be a single species with three forms, and people wouldn't hate them as much because they're 6 mons at the price of 2 slots
>>59248172Simisear is my favorite pokemon, I just think it's cool
>>59248357You must be at least 18 years old to post here
>>59248172They're cute little guys who are meant to teach young kids playing BW for the first time. I do think despite their shitmon status they could be decent if they got a decent second ability each.
>>59248191They need more identity than that. Personally I'd give them branching evolutions that mix their types, like Simisage and Simisear can now turn into the same Grass/Fire type.
>>59248172It could have been monkey Eevee but they fumbled it.
>>59248191<500BST on deliberately mixed attackers makes them unusable in the age of minmaxing, but even if you added 80 points, they’d still have too low BST for mixed attackers.What they need is more movepool expansion. Give them all parting shot, wide guard, quick guard, upper hand, bullet punch, etc., like a huge support movepool, and give simisage intimidate, simipour storm drain and simisear friend guard. Give sage spore, give pour thunder wave. Let them work the same way mons like Clefable, Maushold, Hitmontop, etc., worked, by being utility mons.
>>59248172i would have sex with a female simipour but that's about it
they weren't shillmons at allnlmao they put no effort into marketing them or making the player want onethey're just glorified tutorials
>>59248172>same types as starters>shilled to you before the first gym>always super effective against the first gymWhy does gen 5 hold your hand so much?
>>59249000Because it was a soft-reboot of the series and intended to be a new gens first Pokemon game.
>>59249050That's fair. I forgot about all the mid route healers, infinite TMs, easy mode options, and healing rivals that gen 1 had.
>>59249077Are you stupid?Don't answer that.
>>59248474BW came out in 2011 my man
>>59248172they are jagens
>>59248172>shillmon>never shilled So, did a Pansage fan steal your GF or something?
>>59248172From a game design standpoint, the concept of providing the player with an easily accessible Grass/Fire/Water mon at the start of the game to compliment their starter's weaknesses is a smart idea.Why they went with this execution where they're all irredeemably ugly ass monkey bastards is one thing I'll never understand. I'm convinced these fuckers are part of the reason why BW failed as a gen and were ill-received when the games first came out.Jesus fuck they're ugly
>>59249174I disagree, I think it's a terrible game design decision and the biggest reason why the monkeys get so much hate in the first place. It completely takes away the gravitas of your first gym by handing you a free win button to cover your weakness and in doing so severely lessens the impact of both the Gym Leader's monkey being this big scary threat that nips at your starter forcing you to adapt and the reward of having your own since it just feels like an insulting "here, use this to win and then abandon it for something better :)" tool, Arguably, the idea of a mon whose existence is a device meant to help you beat a Gym even goes against the entire moral of that Generation. It's a disaster by every metric.Imagine how much more people would want one on their team if they hadn't seen any of the monkeys before and get their ass handed to them by one. "Woah, that's strong, I want one of my own! Where do I get it!?" and the anticipation of reaching Pinwheel to finally come across them followed by having to figure out they're from shaking grass only. No, instead you just go "oh cool thanks I guess" and dip as the game just gave you something you have no attachment to just so you can win a fight that really shouldn't even be that much trouble once the surprise of having your starter countered wears off and especially when the game also makes you fight Cheren a second time right before you get access to the gym meaning you're already familiar with fighting the disadvantaged type.
>>59249077And despite that, Gen 1 is still even easier.
>>59249253>0/10 difficulty is easier than 0/10 difficulty???
>>59249050>>59249202>Gen 1 Throwback>first gym leader pulls a "fighting Brock with Charmander" on you by always having the advantage>if you lose, game encourages you to reexamine earlier routes for a mon that can help (ie level up a bug type, it gets poison/bug moves)would be more interesting imo
>>59248172I always liked panpour/simipour, quickly grew to love pansage/simisage and they're some of my favorite mons now, and pansear/simisear are just more of those two and while it's definitely the weakest of the three I just want them all to succeed. They all deserve evos. I hope they're in ww.
everyone hates the monkeysliterally nobody likes them
>>59248899>>59249173Aside from being early-game giftmons, Pansage was definitely shilled, fairly prominent pre-release and the ace of Chilan, one of the main characters in the anime at the time.
>>59250128this thread proves you wrong
>>59250751random text on a forum doesn't mean anything when we have real data and the data shows nobody likes them
Only redditors hate the elemental monkeys
>>59250858based entire world being redditors and hating the retarded monkeys
>>59250756there's people in this thread who like them, therefore this thread proves you wrong.
>>59250962theres no proof theres even real people in this thread though
>>59250966ah, the tried-and-true "last tuesdayism" rebuttal. These data points don't matter because they COULD be faked.
>>59250976they are faked glad we agreesee >>59250128
>>59250979>>59248174>>59248357>>59248482>>59248897>>59250118
>>59250988yeah looks like none of those voted for them kek
>>59250991>noooo they didn't vote in a decade-old poll so that means not one soul has ever liked these designsgoalposts: movedliteracy: nonexistanttaste: shityep, it's /vp/ time
>>59251051you lost btw
>>59251051>shitkek just like the one on monkeyturds head
>>59251055says the one who lostered
>>59248899>the game blocks trading before the first gym to encourage you to use them>every two areas there's either a trainer with all 3 or 3 trainers with one eachthey're pushed as fuck
>>59249202>It completely takes away the gravitas of your first gym by handing you a free win button to cover your weaknessevery gen does this, BW is just particularly egregious with it>anything with a special attack in gen 1, Brock had no rock moves lmao>mareep, geodude, and traded onix in gen 2>lotad, seedot, shroomish, wingull, and traded makuhita in gen 3>budew, psyduck, and machop in gen 4>monkey in gen 5>fletchling, pidgey, litleo, and pansear again in gen 6. Even Pikachu works against the dual types>a lot of fighting types including a traded Hawlucha in gen 6>gens 8 and 9 give you access to almost every pokemon in the dex
>>59248172>so obviously intended to be shillmon
>>59251114that's the point, gamefreak has always gone out of its way to give players answers to gyms before you go to them and in many cases it does succeed in providing significant attachment - there are so many boomers out there who love Butterfree because it was an early game carry that pushes Brock's shit in then continues to be relevant by virtue of being a status machine with powders but if you just outright hand the player the win button then all of that goes out the windowalso despite the monkeys being the worst case of it Gen 7 is infinitely more handholding about the whole thing, the game practically goes out of its way to always ensure you have the super effective mons/moves available to you before every single major encounter with the 2nd island doing so to a comical degree>immediately introduces you to the rock kahuna and grass captain>has you go through the grassy areas to reach the water trial so you have grass to beat water>then makes you go to the fire trial after you've visited water to get water types>circles back to grass after the fire trial so you can burn mallow and lurantis>ending with the grass area again gives you another chance to grab some grass types before fighting the rock kahuna>all the meanwhile making sure to drop rock trainers every so often to make sure you know water and grass beat rock for oliviaand this sort of design philosophy is present from beginning to end with that region
>>59248357You do not exist. It is impossible.
>>59251114What >>59251244 said, but I'd like to add that in Gen 7 you get Flabébé and Mime Jr. long before you have to battle the first Kahuna. And in USUM, you even get an advantage against Ilima if you choose Litten, since they let it learn Double Kick that point forward
>>59252510>And in USUM, you even get an advantage against Ilima if you choose Litten, since they let it learn Double Kick that point forwardtaunting us that it was going to be fire/fighting
the monkeys are cute! CUTE!
>>59252543>panpourcute girl>pansearshy trap, not used to it>pansagetrap, used to it
>>59252555In this particular case, they are all girls
>>59252620actually only one of those is a girl still
