We went from>Game Freak can’t balance the game because they made Mega Scovillain a SFMA Hoenn shitmon and spending your Mega just to spread a single burn is badto>Game Freak can’t balance the game because they made Mega Scovillain too OP
>>59248557Yeah, /vp/ are campaignshitters who don't actually engage with serious PVP because they're scared of losing and get hurt feefees from not curbstomping with their "bwos" like in the dogass campaign for spermatozoa. Who would've thought?
>>59248557Why cant they just adapt, and not bring 4 phys attackers? Hell, bring a Guts mon. Bring a special attacker. Bring a fire type.Adapt to the metagame
>>59248557We went from>Champions is a broken unfinished piece of shitto>Champions is a broken unfinished piece of shit
>>59248592Shitting on Champions won't save Showdown from getting DMCA nuked, xister.
>>59248592Go back to staring at smogshit tiers
>>59248557You have to keep in mind, all of the megas we laughed at before Champions, we laughed at in the context of>a meta where all megas are available>a meta where all items are availableSuper happy for pepper boy that he gets to be a rock star in a format where Aerodactyl is a top tier threat, but let’s not pretend that he’s not playing the game without Mega Metagross and Life Orb Guts Ursaluna. His relevance changes ENORMOUSLY in a meta where significantly more powerful megas are fighting for his spot and mons capable of laughing off his gimmick sit on the field across from him.
>>59248597I’m sure that C&D is coming any day now.
>>59248619It's only a matter of time before someone at Nintendo or GameFreak gets pissed about the existence of a fanmade alternative to Champions that's fundamentally better than Champions.Showdown was fine PRIOR to Champions existing because nothing like it existed, but now it's directly competing with Champions. And being better than the official product is a very dangerous thing to be.
smogonsisters….
I told you guys Scovillain would be a brutally broken piece of shitBurn is too valuable a status condition. Flame body is already such a strong ability and this is Flame body with 100% accuracy. All you need is a SINGLE PIVOT POINT to bring Scovillian out and mega. That is not fucking hard to find
>>59248616>Life Orb Guts UrsalunaWhy not Flame Orb?
remember when retards and vpedos were saying that Scovillian getting a mega didn't make it a shillmon?
>>59248616Being able to 100% apply burn to Metagross or Salamance while redirecting them once is a VERY relevant ability. That's the type of thing that will make a difference in many gamesAnd if you're worried about the opponent greeding on guts mons, don't bring Scovillain. That's the wonderful thing about Megas in doubles. You can load multiple megas on to the same team and use different shells for different matchups
>>59248619They could accelerate the things if someone does a port for mobile.
>>59248557Is mold breaker ever actually useful?
>>59248567This is a real team that is being promoted and allegedly did well in some competition. 5 physical attackers and sitting duck burnmon. Surely much better off with 5 special attackers even.
>>59248628It's just strong because there are a lot of missing pokemon and items. That's it.
>>59248649Yes, Tinkaton can fake out Farigaraf.
>>59248623>It's only a matter of time before someone at Nintendo gets pissed about the existence of a fanmade free advertisement for Champions that helps onboard newbies to their appsure chief
>>59248652and this does not matter until those mons and items are added. pokemon is a live service. try to keep up.
>>59248649Let's Excadrill hit Levitate mons.
>>59248650You have a very severe lack of understanding of how a doubles team actually plays out lol
>>59248647Showdown runs in the browser and they have a mobile layout.
>>59248557Makes me happy to see everyone who talked shit about him eating crow
>>59248592Champions is so ass lol
>>59248699Why? Apart from Defiant Gambit and I assume Body Press on Corv, you're pretty weak to very physically defensive stuff, intimidate, burns, etc. is this not an issue?
>>59248681Yeah, help newbies not even touch Champions because Showdown is infinitely more accessible with a teambuilder that isn't tied to a gacha or grinding currencies.
>>59248743>a teambuilder that isn't tied to a gacha or grinding currenciesyeah i love seeing the same 3 copypaste teams every game regardless of elo
>>59248757Champions has the same problem. It's all Sneasler, Incineroar, Sinistcha, Kingambit, Charizard, Garchomp, Basculegion, Aerodactyl, Farigiraf, etc.
>>59248761It’s almost as if Pokémon’s PvP is a farce only exists to make game freaks coddled shillmons look good
>>59248769Same as the rest of the franchise, yeah.
>>59248689That's literally our point
>>59248731Typically, walls don't do THAT great in VGC. You need your mons to actually contribute something, whether it be offense, speed control, or other forms of utility. Too many passive, defensive mons that can't actually contribute in a meaningful way, and you're going to end up finding yourself in a situation where you can't effectively apply pressure and you're getting chipped down in a losing race. Hyper offensive teams with a lot of offensive overlap like this are actually pretty common to see in this sort of environment. Mirror Armor Corv and Defiant Gambit to combat opposing intimidate, Sneasler with Fake out outspeeding everything and applying pressure with STAB CC and dire claw, with a choice of Scovillain for redirection, passive chip, and overheat to nuke, or the classic TTar + Drill core that does all the shit TTar + Drill does. It's a fine team, ironically I think the biggest worry is opposing Scovillain
>>59248557>Mold Breaker doesn’t affect Flame Body>This is because Mold Breaker ignores abilities that directly alters the move, and Flame Body gives you Burns, not reduces physical attacks directlyWhat exactly made literally who think Mold Breaker stopped Spicy Spray?
>>59248646The issue isn’t Scovillain’s matchup into mence or gross, it’s scovillain fighting for their mega slot. Mega scovillain only works in a format where, among other things, you can afford to use your once-per-battle gimmick to spread burns. It’s not that this is a bad ability, it’s that you trade having access to a better mega in exchange for this. In a low-power format this is all well and good but it becomes less viable the more potent the offense is, because you’re trading access to a stronger mega for a support mon. Is it worth running Scovillain as your mega when you could instead run mega mence and sus mushroom? He works when there are few better redirectors and the format’s most powerful attackers aren’t megas
>>59248825Hell, Mega Mence would LOVE it if you spent your Mega Slot on Scovillain, because now it can spam Boosted Facade and rape everything.
>>59248557This guy is a retard who doesn’t understand how mold breaker works
>>59248557just ban it disgusting subhuman comptranny.
>>59248769>shillmonsYou say this all the time but don't even know what it means.
>>59248557Does this guy not know that Fire types are immune to burns?
>>59248623Stealth smoggy shill
>>59248790and my point is your point is retarded because you're looking at a powerful tool right now and saying,>well, it won't be good a year (lmao ilca) from now, so it's not worth using.
>>59248989A pokemon that's game freak heavily values above others, such as giving them a mega, bonus points if that mega is has a broken signature ability. pretty clear what it is.
>>59249248It's not even that good now. There's plenty of counters, like Special Attackers
>>59248557This guy is an idiot, Mold Breaker has never prevented harmful abilities like Static and Flame Body.It only cancels abilities that affect the user's moves.
>>59249271Scovillain barely sees play anyway
>>59249274I've done well over 300 battles, and I've only seen it three times
>>59249254What makes a pokemon heavily valued over others besides a mega? Pikachu has always been a shillmon and it's from the first game.
>>59249279i lost my list, but yes mega = shillmon just like gmax, having a special z-move, or being from gen 1
>>59249284>parasect is a shillmonWhen you go this retarded it's no fun for anyone.
Isn't Victreebel the same way? Will this give Malamar hope?
>>59249297It’s good in a format nobody cares about :)
>>59248557That's not what Mold Breaker does. Mold Breaker ignores things that would affect your attack. Rough Skin is still going to trigger, etc.
Shillmon (noun): any pokemon that was officially revealed before its debut generation, either in advertising, trailers, developer interview, or appearing in media other than the games.Yes, Excadrill is a shillmon.
>>59249277According to https://www.pokemon-zone.com/champions/pokemon/scovillain-mega-scovillain/ it’s even less than Mega Feraligatr who is straight-up shit. This probably just means it’s hard to pilot
>>59249254holy esl
>>59248557>Game Freak can’t balance the gameBoth your statements are predicated on the same thing. Theres nothing inconsistent here.
>>59249291There are diffeente levels of shill. Parasect is by far one of the least shilled Gen 1 Pokemon with only stuff like Jynx being less shilled. But being from Gen 1 automatically makes it more valuable in game freak eyes Rough tiers of Shill based on how much Game Freak wants a Pokemon to be shilled >CHARIZARD, Lucario, Pikachu, >Being From Gen 1>Getting a Mega in Gen 6 >Getting a Mega in Gen 8 >Being uniquely optimized for competitive >Power Gap >getting a Gmax>Power gap >getting a Z moveThis isn't a perfect list for obvious reasons, and shillmons being what they are more often than not have mutliple of the above.
>>59248649Let my haxorus hit my friend’s hacked wonder guard spiritomb back when bw came out.
>>59249329>Being uniquely optimized for competitiveI swear this is why they wont give Kleavor Accelrock, they don't want it to steal Scizor's thunder
>>59248628Champion rank here. Remember, you can have guts users on your team attack him. So you get the guaranteed guts boost but the freedom to hold an item thats not an orb.
>>59249329>But being from Gen 1 automatically makes it more valuable in game freak eyesWhy are brownskins always the biggest schizos?
>>59249312>donphan and bonsly are shillmons
>>59249364>champion rank herepost timestamped proof else you’re larping
>>59249382yes, Great Tusk and Iron Treads are shillmons.
>>59249447Great Tusk and Iron Threads are irrelevant to this discussionDonphan and Bonsly are not shillmons Ana have never been shillmons
>>59248825It’s a good trade though, especially for a secondary Mega on a VGC team.A burned physical attacker that doesn’t have Guts or Facade is essentially neutralized. Even better for you since unlike just KOing them, they don’t automatically let in another Pokemon. That means they either stay in and do little damage to your team while you ignore it, or switch out to let in another teammate to potentially take a lot of damage.Also keep in mind that in VGC, that’s 1/4 the entire team even if Scovillain faints, which if you invest into its bulk, shouldn’t happen. So you can burn 2 maybe even 3 Pokemon of your opponent’s and it could also be their Mega that gets neutralized.You also have Burn chip. VGC has very particular EV spreads with the intention of being able to live certain damage thresholds. Like X Pokemon has enough HP and Def to survive 2 Max roll attacks from Y Pokemon. Well burns also screw over those Pokemon. If you’re EV’d to take Max of 49% from an attack, well burn turns that otherwise 3HKO into a 2HKO.Also Mega Scovillain is only going to get better in future formats because it’ll be an incredibly great way to deal with even stronger physical attackers. For perspective, Scovillain can survive a Collision Course from Koraidon, burn it, then survive a second one if Koraidon isn’t cured.252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Collision Course vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Scovillain-Mega: 94-112 (54.6 - 65.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO252 Atk Orichalcum Pulse burned Koraidon Collision Course vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Scovillain-Mega: 47-56 (27.3 - 32.5%) -- guaranteed 4HKOHow crippling one of the strongest Restricted of all time among several other physically based Restricteds isn’t considered worth using is beyond me.Also Scovillain gets Moody, which is a dumb and broken ability VGC players can use to cheese games easily.
>>59248792>Opposing Scovillain That's primarily what I was thinking since it's one of the more popular choices of mega. Or even prankster Will-o-Wisp. You can be totally shut out by burn with only physical attackers.It can go wrong anyway. I remember using 5 special attackers and they led both Umbreon and Sylveon and both used calm mind and healing and at that point it's just over. If a Corviknight comes out on the other side with Iron Defence, which is also popular, you're doing like 2 HP damage each hit.
>>59249854Ofc prankster version won't hit the darks but just will o wisp generally. Rotom wash and things.
>>59249315what even WOULD make for a balanced game is the question
>>59248557only a retard would expect mold breaker to nullify spicy spray anywayit doesn't stop secondary effect abilities like effect spore, poison point, or cursed body either, nor should itall it does is say you can hit the opponent when an ability would otherwise cause the move to fail like being able to use flamethrower vs flash fire or earthquake vs levitatewater veil and fire types exist
>>59249313I'd assume so. I think you'd need to build around Scovillain
>>59249366retarf>>59249382they aren't, that anon is just retarfed
>>59249315The only consistency is campaignshitters being shit at the game and having no clue what they’re talking about
>>59248637Only delusional retards think scovillain is a shillmon
>>59250169>got a mega>got a mega with a good ability >got a mega with a good signature ability >not a shillmon
>>59250177>>got a megaAnd no one cares >>got a mega with a good ability And no one cares >>got a mega with a good signature ability And no one cared >>not a shillmon Correct
>>59249382Yes? They were both anime MC mons.
Palafinheroes... the evil won
>>59248566>serious PVP>all high level players just recycle the same pokemon and strategiesBoring
>>59250179cope
>>59250188Arrest
Why would Mold Breaker not work on it? Seems more like another oversight from Ilca
>>59250192Because Mold Breaker isn't>ignore target's abilityit's>ignore anything the target's ability would do to your attacksSo you can use priority against Armor Tail, EQ a Levitate, deal full damage through Multiscale (but not Shadow Shield), but anything that happens after that still happens. Static/Flame Body/Effect Spore can still proc. Weak Armor and Rough Skin will activate. This isn't even an ILCA thing, this is how Mold Breaker has worked since Gen 5.
>>59250191Scovillian is more important than your shitmon favorite, diddums
>>59250201Doubt
>Broken pokemon >Mediocre design so no one really cares about it is scovillain the gen 9 rillaboom?
>>59249312Every starter and box legendary is a shillmon i guess. Not even saying it disagree.
>>59250432> Every starterOnly the one with megas/gmaxs and Incineroar
>>59248557Niggers will post this shit and still be in Master. I hate this game.
>>59250435This turns the term from a comprehensive concept into just a way to be a hipster for liking mons left in the dust.
>>59250442To be a SHILLmon you have to get special SHILLING. Like what megas and being handcrafted to be the best vgc Pokémon are. Is a pretty obvious and clear concept to anyone who isn’t retardedx really i shouldn’t be including gmaxes with his lame and underpowered there are to getting megas but they are a battle transformation so they count.
>>59248557why would it bypass spicy spraymold breaker's description is>The Pokémon's moves are unaffected by the Ability of the targetspicy spray's description is>When the Pokémon takes damage from a move, it burns the attackerit all checks outyour move is unaffectedafter your move you get burnedyou are not the move
>>59248557mold breaker only cares about abilities that prevent you from damaging the opposing pokemon, like levitate with ground moves, as usual the twitter poster and op are retarded
>>59250454Bu this logic, Audino is a shillmon and I just cant take that seriously.
>>59250554Getting it a mega is automatically more respect from game freak than some starters. Shit, they respect it more than one starter with a mega (the skibidi toilet weaker than its own baby)
>>59250435>revealed before release>not a shillmonGet a load of this faggot
>>59250560>Getting it a mega is automatically more respect from game freak than some starters. Right..
>>59250432>Every starter and box legendary is a shillmon i guessDuh? They’re the main mascots for each gen.
