>Ho-oh: Fire/Fairy>Lugia: Water/DarkTheir abilities should reflect their flying nature in some manner (Maybe immunity to ground + STAB flying moves + additional effect for flavor, like regenerator for Ho-oh or something?)Fairy for Ho-oh helps to differentiate it from Moltres, something I think was seriously needed for Gen 2 to make it more interesting, and helps to convey its magical and god-like nature. It also helps to associate it with the sun.Lugia is the more controversial one here, but hear me out. It's meant to softly be associated with the Moon, and the moon is associated with the ocean and the night. The water connection to Lugia is well known already, but something I think is also worth noting is tht Lugia has the worse reputation in-universe. The storm that burned down its tower is implied to have been caused by Lugia (probably by accident) who then went into a self-imposed exile to the Whirl Islands. There, it developed a new reputation as a monster that ate children. It reminds me of Absol in that sense, and an interesting use of a Dark type. I know some people may argue that "Dark type is supposed to mean Evil in Japanese" but Gen 2 already gave us Umbreon which uses the literal darkness interpretation of the type, but also Dark type is just far more interesting and versitile than Evil type. I'd argue an Evil type is fucking dumb in fact and more restrictive and silly than Dark.
>>59249285>Evil type is fucking dumb in fact and more restrictive and silly than DarkExtremely based but they're basically birds. Flying type is necessary.
>"Associated with the moon">Don't associate it with the type ACTUALLY associated with the moon (Moonblast, Moonlight, Clefairy, etc.)
>>59249295Venomoth exists that proves even in Gen 1 that flyng Pokemon don't need to be Flying type. But I do think it's an important part of their identity which is why representing it through their abilities is the best path.And part of the goal is also helping to differentiate them from the Legendary Birds, strengthening both of their identities.>>59249299That's true, but I view that as representing different aspects. Fairy (and Ghost) can be used to represent the more magical or arcane aspects of the Moon, while Dark I think can be used to represent other aspects of the Moon, or the Moon in general.Also Water/Fairy and Fire/Fairy doesn't work as well for a pair. The Water/Dark makes them a bit more balanced, since Water beats Fire but Fairy beats Dark.
>>59249319>Venomoth exists that proves even in Gen 1 that flyng Pokemon don't need to be Flying typeI said birds.
>>59249371Bird type died for a reason, let it rest
>>59249319Umbreon is the only dark type associated with the moon. There are far more ground types associated with the Moon.
>>59249285You're mistaken, it's not Ho-Oh and Lugia that are linked to day/sun and night/moon. The Gen 2 mascots are just guardians playing around with storms or good weather
>>59250292>Q: "This one's a deep question about the world. So Groudon and Kyogre represent land and sea, Dialga and Palkia are time and space, and it seems like every Legendary Pokémon has an exact opposite. Are Ho-Oh and Lugia opposites?">Kenji Matsushima: "There's no direct relationship between Ho-Oh and Lugia in the story. But as their motifs, they represent the Sun and Moon, or day and night. That's how I picture them.">Shigeki Morimoto: "Like light and shadow.">Junichi Masuda: "The sky and the bottom of the sea, above and below. That's their meaning."
>>59250294The fact they can't agree really goes to show how Lugia just doesn't actually fit the lore and world of Gen II
All the single ladies (all the single ladies) All the single ladies (now put your hands up)Up in the lab, we just started outI'm doin' my own lil' thingYou decided to dip and now you wanna pick 'Cause another trainer noticed meI'm growin on him, he growin on me Don't pay them any attention'Cause I was a bro in your clears, gave ya 20 good years Now Im looking like the toilet seat'Cause if you hate it, then you shouldnt put a mega ring on itIf you hate it, then you shouldnt put a mega ring on itDon't be mad once you see that we pick it'Cause if you hate it, then you shouldnta put a mega ring on itWhoa-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh -oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-oh
>>59250294>Lugia does not learn any abilities related to the night or the moon.>Lugia has powers related to wind, storms and abyss marine.>Lunala exists, he embodies the moon, its light, learns all the moves related to the moon and night, and he can even, according to his description, Lunala can change day into night.>The games never associate Lugia with the moon in the lore and story.>Signature move : Aeroblast (linked to the storm) vs Moongeist Beam (linked to the moon).>Ho-Oh and Lugia are the rare Pokémon that learn Weather Balls by leveling up because they are closely linked to the weather.>The name of the Ho-Oh and Lugia TCG expansion highlights the sky and the deep sea.>The "Squall Slate" item, which allows you to encounter Lugia, highlights the stormy aspect in all languages (the Slates of the legendary Pokémon refer to what they are linked to; for example, Groudon's is called "Tectonic Slate").>Solgaleo and Lunala have version names that directly reference their celestial bodies and feature a day/moon reversal so that most of the time, it's daytime in the sun and nighttime in the moon when playing at common times.You lose. Masuda's vision is the only one that is canon.
>>59249476No one said bird type, retard.
>>59250292>>59250529>LunalaNoncanon, especially in the context of classic Pokemon
What I get from this thread is that no one knows what type represents the moon. Especially Game Freak
>>59249783And normal. Hell, even steel has more lunar pokemon than dark does.
>>59251368Lunala can naturally open Ultra Whormholes (a privilege only Cosmog line and Necrozma can possess), meaning Lunala's presence and influence are inherent across all universes. It's no coincidence that their role and treatment differ from the Ultra Beasts group. Ultra Beasts are, after all, common invasive creatures that adhere to the ecosystem norms of their own universe, and that would be destructive to ours, and which cannot naturally migrate between universes. Light Trio are literally incarnations of nature, worshipped like gods, unbound to any ecosystem, able to travel anywhere, and whose benefits transcend dimensions.So it's completely canon, whether you like it or not.
>>59251913>そのもの あらゆる うちゅうで ポケモンと ひとを みるLike arceus, which observes humans and pokemon from all existing universes according to the writings of legends plates
>>59251913That's stupid and ultra beasts are dumb. I reject both.
>>59252067These are just your personal tastes. So this doesn't change the facts I just described.
>>59249285Since everything gets broken custom shit these daysHo-Oh's ability, Fire of Rebirth or some shit, is Regenerator, plus a once per battle Revival Blessing on itself when it faints. Sacred Fire has inbuilt Mold Breaker, and restores half the damage dealt. In addition to the burn Lugia's is Ocean's Guardian or some shit. Levitate, plus Mega Sol but for Rain.Aeroblast has inbuilt Mold Breaker, pierces and removes screens, and clears hazards on your side of the field. In addition to the crit rate.Both also get a unique Roost-Switch move with negative priority.
