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>>59253111I kneel, RBG, SV, SwSh Chads
>>59253111>28 million units of thisThis franchise is a sick fucking joke.
>>59253133Modern gaming is an absolute cuckfest.To be a dead series or franchise that didn't receive a new game in five or more years like Burnout is to be a blessed series at this rate.
>>59253133>it says when these actually got sales before itBut nu bad, old gud as always with you disingenuous children.
>still hasn't beaten BDSP and legpissSHARTceus sisters, our response?
>>59253119>>59253133You lost
>>59253149Arceus' sales stopped being updated years ago, anon. We don't know their actual sales if Nintendo doesn't include them
>gen I had two games23,010,000 sales average>gen II had two games15,000,000 sales average>gen III had three games11,760,000 sales average>gen IV had three games12,694,333 sales average>gen V had two games11,945,000 sales average>gen VI had two games15,740,000 sales average>gen VII had three games13,563,333 sales average>gen VIII had three games19,073,333 sales average>gen IX had two games20,520,000 sales averageHow do you think gen X (WW, Legends Galar and Seed) will fare?
>>59253177>WW~20m>legends galar15-16m>sneedIf it's actually good and has a lot of content i think it could surpass red/blue, otherwise i'd put it around swsh's level. I think it will do well regardless because people are going to see "MMO" and "kanto" and buy it without a second thought
Not sure how I feel about the inevitable shitposting about FRLG's sales compared to other games just because it and RBY were the only ones fortunate enough to be released twice.
>>59253199GSC were also released twice.
>>59253202Had a feeling they were, but couldn't remember when.
>>59253149Palworld raped it badly
>>59253111Paldea won.
>>59253149ILCA is the goat, they just need faggot Masuda out of their way
>>59253111Chadea..I kneel..
>>59253177>Kanto > Paldea > Galar > Kalos > Johto > Alola > Sinnoh > Unova > HoennIt's official I don't make the rules
>>59253195It's not an MMO anon. Japanese's definition for MMO isn't the same as us, they call SV and WW an mmo too.It's just PokeJapan with open world, not an actual MMO.
>>59253199OP here. Those were already released, I didn't include them because Nintendo never published the sales of the VC versions of gen 1 and gen 2, so counting re-releases would inherently be unfair, but yea we got those sales, FRLG got 4M extra sales in Switch for a total of 16M, still falling short behind RS sales.
>>59253260Wow 4 million people paid $20 for a shitty port when emulating is free? I underestimated how many stupid consoom brains there are in the world
>>59253111Imagine being the worst selling mainline Pokémon game ever
>>59253282If you mean BW, big deal, someone had to be the worst selling. If you mean Crystal, then for a rerelease, even those sales are a dream for Pokemon spinoffs, let alone other games.
>>59253111PLA WONZA LOST
>>59253281>take FRLG>add a trigger so event items show up after becoming champion>also take your hires to add a slur filter to the like 6 languages the games was in>then upload it to the eShop with their fees>probably not even 1000 dollars total>make 80M in sales
>>59253282April 2011 BW sales- 11.5 mil, at an odd time with no benefit of holiday seasons or new console hypethree months after XY release- 11.61 mil- with holiday, new handheld, 3D, international same time release bonusXY flopped, whichever way you look at it. This is why gen 7 received such a drastic change to the formula.
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>>59253160Why though?
>>59253111HGSSsissies.......
>>59253359>1000 dollars totalI'd be shocked if doing this cost them even a dime. And you know they're going to repeat this with HGSS/Platinum/BW/BW2. Pokemon is literally just an infinite money glitch.
Are the “”low”” sales of 15 million units of Black and White the reason there’s still no sign of the remake on those dev timelines in the gigaleak? Unless Karasu is the BW remake and given the rushed BDSP ILCA treatment all over again?
>>59253418Couple things here>BW sold poorly compared to other games>the designs are still a little dreaded in the franchise despite people getting more used to them>the gen had two original games, BW and BW2, so they either make TWO remakes or leave the remade story incompleteAnd the most important one, GF has clearly gotten tired of that shit and is being more original now. LGPE was more of an isekai GO-hybrid and less of the same game remade and even after that they didn't remake Sinnoh, they let ILCA give us a terrible shovelware remake that discouraged people from asking for remakes in the future while they made their own return to Sinnoh game into something completely different, then gave us the Indigo Disk DLC to return to Unova in the next gen, and same gen they made us return to Kalos with another completely new game in Z-A. The teraleak says next thing we are getting is Legends Galar and another new game for the entirety of PokeJapan so we return to Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh all at once, I just don't feel like they want to keep the remake formula at all, they would rather make Black 3 and White 3 or Legends Gray or something like that.
>>59253111A recap of quarterly increment:PLZA: 0.49mSV: 0.2mSwSh: 0.08mBro....What happened to PLZA?
>>59253195WW sales need to be at least 25m up to be a success.
>>59253556>terrible shovelware remake that discouraged people from asking for remakes in the futureBDSP is the best-selling remake of them all, regardless of how people feel about it and how obviously rushed and low effort the game is, it sold and showed that people will eat that faithful remake shit up no matter how low effort, so I don’t see any financial reason to skip out on a BW remake in the same style and similar low effort when it’s guaranteed to make bank relative to the effort that’ll go into it>they either make TWO remakes or leave the remade story incompleteBDSP completely ignored any and all Platinum story elements, what makes you think TPC cares about completing the BW story in a remake over just profiting off a cheap remake? Alternatively, given that B2W2 can be made almost entirely with reused assets from BW1, a B2W2 remake reusing all of the BW1 remake assets could be justifiable since the effort needed to make it would be even lower
>>59253260Joe is laughing at us with his cord buddies again...
>>59253111S/S and S/V being anywhere but the bottom two is why we'll never get to have any hope hope for new entries.
>>59253569Based SwSh, ZA is dying a slow death before no one will care to get it at all.
>>59253612Buddy you seriously need a real hobby if this is what you're doing with your free time.
>>59253576>BDSP is the best-selling remake of them allIt barely sold better than LA, a game released in the worst sales period of the year. I'd like to reiterate this, it functionally sold 60000 copies during the best sales period of the year. And that's just going off sales, between the criticisms of BDSP and Nintendo having to apologize for SV they're probably going to reconsider what shit they release (and leaked internal documents have basically said they're putting off remakes for more or less these sorts of reasons).
>>59253614ZA Flopped
>actual BDSM apologistsfucking kek that's a new low even for sinnohfetuses
>>59253620Yeah. Now what? You still have no real hobby my guy but farming (You)'s on an anonymous goat milking forum.
>>59253576>comparing Platinum 5 minutes of additions to an entirely different sequel gameSmartest sinnohtard right here
Remake BW2 with a plot summary of BW without Munna kickSkip BW1Here, i fixed the problem
ZAZA Sisters....wtf HAPPENED
>still can't get any (You)'sHope you find that real hobby someday bro. I'm out.
>>59253357I FUCKING KNEEL
Combined sales for all versions of the same game
>>59253642ONE CITY
>>59253600>>59253609>>59253615>>59253624>>59253625>>59253631>>59253635>>59253642>>59253654(You)
Average sales per individual version, assuming:>each game in a pair sells equal amount>JP Green and WW Blue are the same game>JP Blue's status as a magazine subscription exclusive makes it a nonfactor
>>59253111Why are people so invested in these sale reports?
>>59253675Because they unironically believe Sales=Quality
>>59253569>>59253612Lifetime sales of ZA will be close to PLA if 0.5m sales per quarter are sustained up to the same period next year, just before Pokopia DLC release and WiWa marketing.
>>59253664>RuSaThis is poorly made bait
>>59253664>Sumo
>>59253664>combining all the third versions with their original games, except for unovaKinda disingenuous.
>>59253695Unova doesn't have a third version, retardbro.
>>59253697>Indigo Disk
>>59253111>The further Masuda tried to "recreate" Kanto, the less the games soldWhy did he have to hostile take over the franchise? Sugimori should've beat his ass sooner
>>59253675They're NPCs that can only like a game if someone else tells them it's okay to.Either that or they're literal shills.
>>59253705He's like Miyamoto
>>59253705LGPE sold more than FRLG. It took FRLG getting another release 8 years after LGPE to surpass it.
>>59253664>SuMo>RuSaKill yourself redditor
>>59253697No. It has something better.B2W2 still fill the same niche as third versions, though.
>>59253684Pretty bad for a sequel to sell less/near the same as the first game
>>59253675Contrary to what the other tryhards told you, sales are an objectively metric that matter. It doesn't mean they are objectively better games, but it means GF will try to follow the sample set by them, because they sell better.
>>59253672Reminder gen8tards pretend this isn't honest metrics when the teraleak confirmed GF DOES make dual versions because they sell more, and almost make the second Legends game be based on Lugia and Ho-Oh precisely for this.
>>59253745Then why have they simplified the map design since DP, which not only sold the best of non-Pokemania non-Switch titles, but is also the most popular Pokemon games in Japan consistently on various polls?
>>59253759>then why aren't they doing things like in this game that is only a good seller by now if you ignore the multiple games that sell better
>>59253801So why did it take them until the Switch for games to sell better when the changes they made after DP made the games sell worse than DP if sales were all that mattered? Surely if >>59253745 were correct they'd have changed course after BW instead of doubling down with XY. Or is the actual truth that Game Freak just does whatever they want? After all, if SS was the second best selling Pokemon game until SV came out, why would they make SV open world when SS wasn't and it was selling extremely well? The actual answer is they start pre-production on the next games before they get good sales data on the previous ones, and depending on how far in the process they are it's hard to pivot to a different game design. But that still doesn't explain XY.
>>59253745>retard compares raw numbers instead of doing an analysis based on how many consoles were soldAre you one of those niggers who get filtered by the concept of per capita?
>>59253569Terrible DLC and terrible word of mouth
>>59253685>>59253691>>59253736I'll take these into consideration for next quarter if it's really a problem for you. >>59253695B2W2 aren't the same game, but next time I will include a non-ranked entry showing where the combined sales of BW 1+2 would be (it's between DP/Platinum and RS/Emerald).
>>59253569>SwSh still sellingI KNEEL
>>59253111>HGSS is now the remake that flopped the most>PLA is an even bigger flop/vp/ BTFO
>>59254248PLA could have been saved if it had megas
>>59254256ZA had Megas and still failed
>>59254248>top 5 best selling core games>but worst selling third game AND worst selling remakeHoly shit, the moment people tried Johto they decided they wouldn't come back
>>59253418No, the reason is Game Freak are done with remaking older games. Now we're on actual proper hardware, they don't want to waste dev cycles re-treading old ground.But that doesn't mean remakes are finished. In fact, Gen 8 confirmed even if Game Freak aren't going to remake an older title, SOME fucking group of pet devs WILL. I'm expecting a BW remake later in Gen 10. But I'm also well aware there's a chance the dev cycles get slightly extended, warranting an extra title being developed to push the generational cycles into 4 year territories.
>>59253133These glitches were never in the actual game btw
>>59253695Didn't include Jpn Blue either for Gen 1.
>>59253697
>>59253747>almost make the second Legends game be based on Lugia and Ho-Oh precisely for this.Reminder they in fact culled the project and pivoted to a single-title release anyway, proving they knew people wouldn't buy two versions of one legends game, especially of a region less popular than either Kanto or Sinnoh.
>>59254103SM and USM aren't the same game either, but you still collated their sales together and left the Gen 5 rehash solo. Stop being a disingenuous shitbag, list them all separate or list them all together.
>>59253111soon it'll be winds and waves taking second place. secondly, it's the price of the games and dlc that make it boost their units sold.
>>59254493Retardbro, GF, the defacto company in regards of selling dual editions, says selling dual editions makes more money.>but they didn't do it at the end with this specific game!That doesn't change the fact duals sell better. They have know they do since the classic games and they still make singular editions every once in a while, no amount of coping will change this.
>>59254307Game Freak made johto to fail and they succeeded
>>59254548No, duals of new Gens sell better. If "pairs sell better" we'd have GOTTEN Legends: Johto Two pack: buy it bitch edition. But they do not in fact sell blanket better (BW2 only sold 920,000 more copies than Platinum, while BW sold LESS than DP by about 2m) which is why Game Freak didn't waste their time TRYING to shit out a two-pack of Legends titles last time.
>>59253133>b-b-but there was 1 rare visual glitch that was patched one week after release so that means the game is le bad!!
>>59253111PLA won!Kinnosui won!
>>59254486Japanese Blue sales have always been reported combined with Red and Green
>>59254503Please calm down. The Ultra games are the same up to the climax, same as Emerald and Platinum. The BW sequels start completely different, end completely different, and are vastly different throughout the middle.
>>59253111imagine being mogged by FRLG
>>59253111>legends Z-A RAPED by fucking pokemon yellowwhat on earth
>>59253133GOATdea keeps winning, retard.
>>59254656Doesn't matter, it's still 4 separate titles making up the total (or three for RB sales). If we got RG engine as RB, it wouldn't matter it was a nip-only thing. But they got their own SKU of the paired games an extra bugfix/graphical overhaul SKU (which birthed international RB) and a special anime tie-in version while we got OUR own SKU of the pair and an extra re-titled SKU, still featuring the anime tie-in and counted as the same SKU as Japan but presented as something different. 4 separate titles make up the Gen 1 sales, disingenuous cunts abound.
>>59254666Nah, not treally. Different totems, different plot entitrely, different games. So why did you not add your rehash games to the Gen 5 totals, but added the rehash of SM to the total of SM? Or why not separate both instead of presenting such a disingenuous chart for consumption?
>>59254765You can skip SM and just play an Ultra game. But playing B2W2 without playing B1W1 is ridiculous.
>>59254759So if I posted the exact same money but wrote RB+RG+Blue+Yellow, you'd be satisfied?
CHADdea GODS fucking won.
>>59254772And yet there are kids who did just that and saw no great issue with it (you should know by now, every game brings new blood in, though some do more to bring in more new blood than others). And not really when the remakes strictly adhere to the plots of the paired games and discard the rehash premises by-and-large. But again, because cunts on /vp/ skip the first released games each Gen for the "complete" (ie rehashed bullshit that expects people to understand the region and what's going on better) version and trew a fucking tantrum and a half when Game Freak announced the death of rehashes for DLC, they think the world just *skips* new Gen paired releases too.
>>59254777No, but RG/B+Jpn B+SPE (because yellow was in fact an anime tie-in in Japan and not Yellow) and I would be. But you'll also have to pick your poison and collate your rehash totals or split all the rehashes like with C, E and Plt. Otherwise, it's still bullshit pushing a disingenuous narrative.
>>59254803I didn't pick any poisons here, all versions of the same game are grouped together in the first image I posted. If you want me to combine B1W1 and B2W2, I can make another version that combines direct sequels... But then I assume you'll just get angry when you see RBYGSC with 76 million.
>>59253574That's impossible with the Switch 2's sales.
why did all the best games in the franchise sell only 7 figures?
Why do any of you care about sales? None of you work for these people.
>>59255017Its a Nintendofag thing, just take a look at those Famitsu threads on /v/
>>59254825Well, yeah because that's once again being a disingenuous shitbag. New Gens are new gens "new titles set in the same region as previous games" are just rehashes though. That's why Game Freak listed them with ALL the other rehashes when they ran that Pokémon Direct to announce the death of rehashes for DLC. >>59254491Ignoring the devs' own words for marketingspeak from 15 years ago is just definitive evidence of your disingenuous, narrative-pushing posts.
>>59255096The big dirty secret is Game Freak were trying to apply the twin-release meme to the rehashes (Bank still has handler code for a paired XY rehash) and ultimately applied it to Gen 7 successfully. but despite the marketing blurb, Game Freak see and consider it the same as all other rehashes of a theme of a region (I do applaud their meme reasoning of "the themes of Black and White were very clear-cut that a singular version wouldn't fully present" for why it's suddenly two. Failed ultimately, I didn't buy both and W2 remains one the few games I'll never own a physical copy of).
>>59255017i literally work for nintendo though
>>59253133Why does Pokemon discourse never evolve?Why are we still talking about Day 1 glitches?What is the state of the game now?
>>59255139because you'll buy it anyway
>>59255121*for free!sorry can't edit the post
>>59255096So then, you want me to post the numbers for each Generation? RSE combined with FRLG, XY combined with ORAS, SwSh combined with BDSP and Arceus, etc?
>>59255344If that's what you feel you need to do.Or you could just do as I said and stop being a disingenuous cunt over your childhood. It's the same shit as every other sperg fucker here's was.
>>59255362? What is disingenuous about treating a direct sequel differently from an enhanced re-release?
>>59254248How is PLA a flop, it's sold 15m units and is one of the few Pokemon games that is highly acclaimed and recognized by the industry.
>>59255365The fact you're calling it a "direct sequel" while the devs themselves call it a rehash. They don't give a shit for the marketing blurb, so your insistence on it being valid is irrelevant. >>59254491
>>59254587>no they are lying or wrong please trust me instead PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASENo. Legends Ho-Oh and Legends Lugia would have sold better than Legends Celebi, that's what almost 30 years of making Pokémon games told them, your cope is sad and irrelevant.
>>59255904...so you want me to combine XY and Z-A sales, rehashfag?
>>59253111>the best games are in the bottom Well that's weird isn't it?
>>59256355If you weren't being disingenuous you'd just put each game by itself.
>>59255139>What is the state of the game now?Still borderline amateurish at times.There's a good game in there, but holy fuck is it rushed and poorly balanced. I'm not going to pretend the practice was good, but if any game needed a Crystal/Platinum/Emerald it's Scarlet and violet. Improve the performance, the texture work, add some more content to the world, and include a hard mode and you are honestly looking at a pretty good game.
>>59256479> if any game needed a Crystal/Platinum/EmeraldNo game needs a third version>Improve the performance, the texture work, add some more content to the world, and include a hard modeThose would be good. But what’s stopping game freak from putting all that in the base game instead of releasing a rushed unfinished beta?
>>59256494>but a second version is okay
>>59256142Clearly not, given the dual-release dickheads CANCELLED a dual-release Legends game. It would also split the actual focus, 12m shitbags bought L: Z-A, but 12m shitbags would not have bought "Legends: Johto: Argentinium" you'd have gotten 12m total, meaning just 6m or less (hence why they culled the project). Can sit and scream your childhood would be adored all you want, I'm 42 years old and saw exactly how the world treated Johto both times it met it. And that's why I was unsurprised when I heard even Game Freak had cancelled the attempt and pivoted to another region.
>>59257328>saw exactly how the world treated Johto both times it met it. All they have to do it fix the things people bitch about Johto copy paste the level curve from another game, it wouldn't make the game better, but people can't say Johto has a bad level curve if its level curve is the same as another game. or just ignore levels all together like they did in Paldea Put all the Johto pokemon in Johto and make them more common. Being able to use Houndoomerino would atomically make NPC's add 5 extra points to whatever ranking they gave johto before. make johto bigger. just add a few extra towns here and there and a big field somewhere. Normroids love pointless empty spacebuff all the shitmons. real buffs, not 10+ in SpD. Give Morty a Misdreavus, Jasmine a skarmory, Bugsy a Heracross, Etc, It literally doesn't matter and wouldn't improve the gameplay but Shitter will erupt with praise over how they FinAllY fixEd the GymSmake the starters as broken as nu-gen mons. Starters are the reps of a region, if the starters are respect so will their region will be respectedTyphlosion, give it a mega. Yes it got a regional but that doesn't help the original. Make its mega reference its devastating heat haze, Its infinitely more respectful and accurate to typhlosion than that fuckass rape shit that let a faggot write so why not?Feraligatr, got a mega but considering's its a skibidi toilet and is barely a buff so it can get a redesign and stat rework. Meganium:.. doesn't need anything else, huh what do you know? buffing pokemon WORKS. But what the heck, it's apparently the dev favorite so give it another mega, the shill starter always get seconds(if not megas then replace mega with other transformation battle gimmick). There. Johto is now marketable. Tods get a game after 16 years, Game Freak gets their shekels, and even the people who are shit on johto win since their complaints were answeredits a triple-win, only a retard or contrarian would be against it.
>>59257593Do you not fucking pay attention? Legends titles AREN'T the RG copy/paste template games, so there would be NO "morty with johtomons" or "jasmine with johtomons". They fucking exiled the Lumiose Gym Leader, then blew his fucking gym up in L: Z-A, they give negative shits about gyms in the Legends series and about the autistic shitbags who can't function in a pokémon game without them.But really it sounds like you want your childhood remake given a sequel as a full paired release to rehabilitate it in the eyes of the internet, not arguing the point at hand that a L: J pair would not have worked how you wish it would.
>>59257593>its a triple-winNo it's not a triple-win, Legends Johto will tarnish the innovative image of legends series by bringing back fucking Bugsy ffs.
>>59258529>innovative image of legendsWhat innovations has legendslop had aside from Goodra’s shitty diaper and Emma’s ass?
>>59258532PLA:First Pokemon game to feature real-time catching mechanics without battlingFirst Pokemon game with ARPG element and HP bar for the playerFirst Pokemon game to feature immersive open-world exploration with different Pokemon showing their traits outside of battle.I can go on and on, and your blantant denying of the vision of legends series is simply pathetic.
>>59257328>TRUST ME NOT THEM, I BEG YOU, THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEIR OWN SALES, I DOLast (You)
>>59253111UH OH ZA SISSES I THOUGHT IT WAS ON TRACK TO DETHRONE PLASS
>>59258868It is still possible if it can keep up the momentum, as >>59253684 says.
