I thought the point of Amoonguss was that it made itself look like a pokeball to attract prey. Why does this thing look like a pokeball if it's its ancestor from thousands of years ago, way before pokeballs were even invented? Is this another genius Gamefreak moment?
Everything about the paradox pokemon is wrapped in a veil of please don't think about it
>>59257166it's almost like it isn't actually from the past or something...
>>59257166I dunno, good point
>>59257166>Game Freak has shit world building and retarded lore more news at 11
>>59257166Paradox mons aren't actually real.
>>59257166Sounds pretty paradoxical to me.
>>59257166the pokeball design is based on it
>>59257166It’s an OOPArt anon
>>59257166>>59257170>>59257188>>59257192>>59257314Faggots who are too retarded to understand the concept of a paradox.>>59257304>>59257296These anons understand. It's a paradox. It doesn't make sense by design. In fact it's probably a bootstrap paradox; pokeballs appeared in the past which influenced it to look like pokeballs to influence humans to make pokeballs based on it and so on and so forth.
>>59257166It's like the Austin Powers scene where he breaks the fourth wall and tells you not to think about it too much.
>>59257166What part of "paradox" did you not get?
>>59257322>t. Anon who does not know what OOPArt means
Wasn’t the machine not a time machine, but just pulled shit from people’s dreams?
>UUUUHM why are paradox Pokémon paradoxical??
>>59257166>Make a stronger legendary form of Amoonguss>It's weaker than AmoongussAre they fucking stupid?
>>59257479That was 100% fanfic written by people who couldn't cope with their imagination headcanon being wrong.It is a time machine, although there might be alternate timeline and/or time loop shenanigans going on. It's kept ambiguous.
Who built robot Virizion and why didn't he use carbon steel instead of pure unalloyed iron?
>>59257561Future paradoxes weren't built, they are living beings that evolved to look like robots
>>59257343>>59257519>taking the phrase literallyAutism.
>>59257519sex with nino
>>59257655>It's not meant to be taken literally because... I said so, ok?! They just called them Paradox Pokémon as a joke!Do you also make up your own rules about what's considered legendary? Or types? Retard.
I just learned that Robot Virizion is 25% smaller then bio Virizion and lighter despite being made from iron.Wtf?Dude really didn't put enough effort into making terminator Virizion.
>>59257346Of course I don't because I'm not some pathetic loser who keeps up with all the meaningless buzzwords on the internet.
>>59257805It's so light because it's fully autotomized
>>59257840Pretty sure it's a phrase that predates the internet
>>59258013It's not a common phrase, and it's some made up bullshit.
>>59258095Keep moving those goalposts. God forbid you ever be wrong about something. Or look up things you don't know before you run your mouth.
>>59257166Because the twist is that it's not from the past, it's from an alternate dimension. Idk why paradox mons needed a twist in the first place, but I guess it makes more sense than pokemon become robots in the future
>>59257166>hahaha I don't know
>>59258010Doesn't explain why it is 25% smaller.Part of the original Virizions deal was that it is real small horse or large pony size, not pocket sized like most mons.Less to hug. Lame.
>>59257322>>59257840>>59258095>complains about people not knowing what paradoxes are but can't be assed to understand what out of place artifacts are>When half of the "information" we have of Paradox Pokemon comes from Occulture, the exact type of bullshit magazines that talk about OOPArts and ancient alien tier bullshit
>>59257322Its sad how many people didnt get it, in an enthusiast pokemon forum of all places. Theres people here who really think the beast trio were retconned to be ancient dinosaurs.
>>59258684Uh it was also minimized
>>59259489Tera Water Ursaluna and fairy types are REAL!
>>59258684Autonomize reduces weight by 50% every time you use it. How do you think it does that?
Today /vp/ got me to look up what an OOPArt is. Fascinating stuff.Thanks /vp/.
>>59257166Pokemon tend to evolve faster than regular animals. Some even do it in negative time.
>>59257166>Oh my god, humans can actually be inspired by Pokémon to create things>They've already done this many times with everyday objects that look like Pokemon>Foongus' Pokedex suggests this in SV
>>59257322>>59259496You sound like a pseudo intellectual moron. You don't even know what paradox means, kek.
>>59257324That is still my favorite explanation of time travel in any media, ever.
Oh, a time paradox
>>59257805It's not literally made of iron, they just named it like that 200 years ago cause they didn't know what the fuck it wasAll future paradoxes are smaller than their "current day" counterparts because advanced machines become more compact over timeThe inverse is true for past paradoxes too btw, they're all bigger because animals were bigger in the past (dinosaurs and megafauna)
>>59257166Why looking like a pokeball would attract prey? It makes absolutely no sense
>>59257322>It's a paradoxThen it wouldn't exist.
>>59257166So that's why it was the most disliked ancient paradox? I think he is the coolest, but the leaks helped in that regard.
Poke Balls are inspired by Foongus; there's no inconsistency there. It's actually quite common for humans to draw inspiration from the appearance of Pokémon when designing their tools.
>>59261745>this has not been confirmed.
>>59261776They're not going to add that description for no reason. Especially since we had Magnemite 3,000 years ago, when humans didn't have bolts or industrial magnets.
>>59261789>They're not going to add that description for no reasonThe reason is to simulate baseless speculations.
>>59257166It was a missed opportunity to not make it look like the wooden apricorn pokeballs from PLA, a la Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode
>>59261801Rather because the Poke Ball was inspired by Foongus, so they induce it in this way. You're just looking for inconsistencies that don't exist.
>>59261807>because theYou're the people they're making fun of.It's literally called a paradox. Trying to logic it is doomed from the start.
>>59261809We're talking about a Paradox because it's a temporal paradox. That's why we constantly emphasize what is ancient and the past versus the future. It's also why we have a time machine.I hope you're not trying to explain the Ultra Beasts based solely on their name, without considering the story's context. Otherwise, you'll end up going off-topic, just like your hasty conclusion about the term "Paradox."
>>59261816That's nice and all but you're still making things up with less than zero basis in a failed attempt to rationalize a paradox.
>>59261821Huh? You should seriously play Scarlet and Violet, and then improve your general knowledge a bit. This is getting worrying.
>>59261836>Huh?Say that a lot I bet. Figures coming from someone who fails this badly at rationalizing a paradox.
>>59257166Paradoxmons aren't actually time based, they're Ultra Beasts that are more convergent with the main universe's Pokemon. The alt professor at the Crystal Pool basically spells it out for you if the existence of the Johto Beasts as dinosaurs didn't say it first.
>>59261839A time paradox is, by definition, irrational. You're a really stupid.
>>59261845And yet you try to rationalize a paradox by directly contradicting established lore. Curious.
>>59261841Wrong, the terms used by Ultra Beast or Gen 7 clearly describe them as creatures from another universe/world. Teraleak even refers to them as "Parallel Pokémon" to describe what an Ultra Beast is.Whereas with Paradoxmon, we're talking about the past, the ancient, dinosaurs, the future, robots. All of this is linked to the "present day." A time machine is used.And in case you didn't know, Beast Trio isn't inconsistent. Ho-Oh just brought Pokémon back to life; we're not talking about creating them.Especially since Beast Trio are incarnations of nature with multiple origins (Entei was born with the appearance of a volcano, Raikou appeared during a storm, and Suicune is the incarnation of the north wind). Pokémon like Articuno, which are similar, aren't even unique.And mentioning alternate timelines doesn't imply that something is exclusive to that timeline, unless they explicitly state it (which isn't the case since Paradoxmon simply doesn't exist in the present in its natural state).
>>59261848I'm not rationalizing anything by saying it's a temporal paradox; it's the addition of a context you refuse to acknowledge. There are different types of paradoxes, all involving inconsistencies, but of a different nature. Are you that lacking in general knowledge? And in this case, these Pokémon are temporal paradoxes.
>>59261858>Whereas with Paradoxmon, we're talking about the past, the ancient, dinosaurs, the future, robots. All of this is linked to the "present day." A time machine is used.You're chasing confirmation bias, the games themselves throw shade at the idea that Scarlet Paradoxes ever existed in their universe via Occultism and again the professor shows up to outright state this has been the result of alternate timelines aka alternate universes that were shaped by different outcomes/stimuli>And in case you didn't know, Beast Trio isn't inconsistentThe Legendary Beasts of Johto were regular-ass Pokemon who died in the tower who were revived and modified by Ho-Oh. In the fucking EDO ERA so where would there be fucking dinosaurs. Their cutscene sprites were regular Pokemon and they doubled down on that in Generations.>And mentioning alternate timelines doesn't imply that something is exclusive to that timelineIs the current universe's sun radiating so much harder that it made every supposed ancient species photosynthetic? Is the current universe's magnetic field somehow getting stronger and not weaker over time? We also had the likes of Rainbow Rocket showing you can pluck people and things from very specific alt universes. When you lay out everything, time travel stops being a valid option and it looks a lot more like dimensional shenanigans.
>>59261858It's very much implied that the beast trio were a Jolteon, Flareon and a Vaporeon
>>59261900Not really, you're chasing confirmation bias. Occulture isn't evidence that supports your point; it's an amateur magazine that makes contradictory claims based on the monsters mentioned in Heath's book, which no one believed because he couldn't prove what he saw. That's why Bryar wants to prove his ancestor was right, because he spoke the truth.The professor at the lake has never encountered a Paradoxmon; he hasn't even completed his research. Furthermore, as explained earlier, just because alternate timelines are being explored doesn't mean they're exclusive to any one timeline. We've already seen legendary Pokémon and characters from other timelines exist within our own. And in this case, nothing indicates that Paradoxmon doesn't exist in our timeline. Especially since the only entity that has scientifically studied these creatures is the AI, and it's clear that they are future or ancient forms of contemporary Pokémon, originating from the distant past or future and brought back to the present day. Generation 7 clearly establishes that Ultra Beasts do not exist in the wild in our world/dimension.Gen 6 clearly establishes that there are timelines with and without Mega Evolution.Gen 9 clearly establishes that Paradox Pokémon cannot be encountered naturally in the present day (and not in our timeline).>revived and modified by Ho-Oh.There is no in-game dialogue stating that they have been modified. Furthermore, even if that were the case (which it isn't), it doesn't change the fact that they have multiple origins because from the beginning, it's established that Suicune is the embodiment of the north wind, that Entei is born when a volcano appears, and that Raikou fell with lightning.Didn't you know that it was much warmer during the time of the dinosaurs than it is now? The average temperature was actually higher, which is why they had protosynthesis. Animals were also larger in ancient times, which is why we have creatures that are bigger
>>59261906>a fan theory lol
Mega evolution is a known phenomenon related to genetics and based on the life force of pokemon. Salamence awakens dormant genes from its ancestors, which is why it resembles roaring moon. Just as aerodactyl is only a partially restored fossil because its dna has been damaged over time, mega evolution, by drawing on the genetics of pokemon, temporarily reverts to its original appearance
>>59261965the funniest thing is that terapagos seems to age or get younger when he changes form
>>59261965Denying the distant past and the future is like denying the connection between Kyogre, the oceans, his powers (ability + dex + signature move), and the themes and etymology of the Team Aqua.
>>59261965>Includes everything but the alt professor's speech because it pokes a giant hole in the argumentClassy. They added that for a reason and the reason is to show that science is ultimately a collection of conclusions that can easily be overturned with the right data. Gen VIII even played with this via the mix-and-match fossilmons to lampoon how old paleontology would pass off literal post-hoc chimeras as actual species right down to Cara Liss writing the Pokedex entries herself.>There is no in-game dialogue stating that they have been modified.And since you want to include TCG sources, I once again point you to Generations.>it's established that Suicune is the embodiment of the north wind, that Entei is born when a volcano appears, and that Raikou fell with lightning.Again, see point above of the Pokedex not being a source of hard fact. There have been plenty of entries that fly in the face of canon or even observable data
>>59262007It seems you don't understand how scientific research works. First, you start with a hypothesis, then you conduct studies, observations, and experiments, which allows you to verify whether you're right or not.In this case, the professor at the lake has never seen a Paradoxmon in his life and can't even finish his time machine. AI knows its subject better than the professor who has yet to accomplish anything.And even though I've taken the lake's elements into account, they prove nothing. They don't say that Paradoxmon is exclusive to another timeline and can't be found in ours. Existing in another timeline doesn't mean you don't exist in the main timeline, unless it's explicitly stated (which isn't the case with Paradoxmon). Many legendary or unique characters exist in multiple timelines and aren't exclusive to them.I'm sure you're so out of touch that you don't know that Z-A is a different timeline from XY, that LPA is a different timeline from DPPl and BDSP, or that White 2 is a different timeline from White. But that doesn't change the fact that there's continuity and that everything exists within the same timelineBecause an old legend whose events never occurred during the game is supposed to be a more reliable source than a scientific encyclopedia? You're being so arbitrary it's like a bad joke. All it takes is for Raikou, Entei, and Suicune to show up after the natural disaster for people to naively think that Ho-Oh brought living beings back to life (and I insist, the game never says it created Pokémon). The worst part is that you're using Generations, which invents dog-like creatures that don't exist-purely a fabrication by the writersBut in any case, whether that's true or not, it doesn't change the fact that they could have multiple origins and that they existed before the events at the tower. Because nothing indicates that they didn't exist before; on the contrary, the Pokédex supports the idea that they exist independently of all that
>>59262137>>59262007it's possible that raikou destroyed the tower with his lightning while attacking entei, and then suicune made it rain to extinguish the flames lmao
>>59262166It's funny, but it's just as much theoretical as saying that Ho-Oh created Beast Trio
>>59257166People like to shit on GF for having baby tier writing but the one time they didn't go HEY ANON I THINK PARADOX POKEMON AREN'T REALLY FROM THE PAST/FUTURE SO PLEASE ADD A BULBAPEDIA PARAGRAPH ABOUT IT OK??? with a NPC looking straight at the camera we got cursed with recurring threads of this caliber of stupidity
>>59262202It's just because they don't like paradox pokemon, so it reassures them to invent crap. That's how theories of imagination were born; the goal is simply to deny
