>>59264642No
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>>59264657feel like it was only groudon because dex was ass
>>59264642't have another game ever again.
>>59264642>killed pokemaniait sure did decide the trajectory of the franchise alright
Johto critics are often fans who weren't alive yet, so they don't understand the legacy.
>>59264658featureless arm nubs are a hallmark of a good pokemon design
>>59264642Johto setting the standard that pokemon sequels can all get away with being the exact same game that all do the exact same formula 1:1 for 30 years is not a win
>>59264713that was hoenn though
>>59264663>Shuppet isn't babyish>But Duskull is Explain before I get unreasonably upset
>>59264722it's not about if it's babyish that's just the ones i like and don't like.
>>59264723>he likes nosepassweird taste
>>59264642There are certainly problems with Gen 2 but Chuck doesn't have a Heracross is not one of them lmao
>>59264663here's johto but only the designs i likeeven the ones i removed aren't really "bad" they're just kinda mediocreimmensely solid dex overall
>>59264740great taste. i'm right there with you, i like most of the dex. don't think it's babyish, there's a few babymons sure but most of the dex has a lot of character. people also like to shit on the distribution in johto but i thought it was fun to go look around for all the new guys to complete the dex.
>>59264708I somewhat disagree
>>59264734Yeah the funny thing about GSC and ESPECIALLY its remakes are while they do have genuine issues, none of their critics play the games, so they don't know the actual issues and just parrot whatever their favorite poketuber saidLike GSC/HGSS has too many mandatory HMs and rather lacking TM availability, but this is something you'd have to play the game to know, and Johto critics don't do that. They'll instead always babble on and on about "why doesn't this gym leader use these pokemon instead of these ones" or "why is houndour in the postgame" or "why is red 20 levels over me"Take it from someone who actually plays the games, while HGSS and especially the original GSC aren't perfect, like 90% of the shit people complain about is an absolute non-issue
>>59264757What are the real issues?
>>59264757I played the games and I thought chuck not having a heracross was an issue. I thought it was kind of silly that a lot of gym leaders had multiple pokemans from the same evolution line.
>>59264762Level curveHumiliation ritual to get evolution stonesVery weak storyEmpty Kanto that rivals ScVi
but the johto games are the least like the formula the games would go on to adopt, it's even a common meme talking point here for johtofags to shit on "zoomers" for not liking what GSC did compared to the gens after
>>59264642>Johto LARPing as KANTO because they have nothing leftWhy are johtoddlers like this?
>>59264772Fym? It’s the same regurgitated slop pokemon always is
>>59264762Already gave the two big ones (too many mandatory HMs, and lacking TM availability)There's a few more here and there, but those are the two big ones.Keep in mind, I'm usually talking about HGSS rather than GSC. Some of the common complaints carry some weight in GSC, but were fixed in HGSS yet seem to carry over regardless among the community.>failure to localize the guy who sells game corner coins (this is a localization issue rather than a game design issue but it does affect enjoyment and is worth mentioning)>nonlinearity is cool but it can result in awkward pacing if you don't fight pryce before chuck and jasmine>chuck's photo op in HGSS is permanently missable (also contains a typo which is mildly funny)>union room battles in HGSS are locked to fucking level 30 for some reason, as in you cannot bring in a pokemon above level 30 (carried over from dppt and kinda had to be kept the same for connectivity but it's still pretty retarded)>many enemy movesets in GSC and to a lesser extent HGSS are questionable (the first thing that comes to mind in HGSS is janine having both supersonic and confuse ray on the same pokemon, like what are you doing that is REALLY silly)>>59264767>Level curveAdmittedly fucky in GSC postgame, but fixed in HGSS>Humiliation ritual to get evolution stonesmeaningless buzzword, also the pokeathlon is kino>Very weak storypokemon stories are at their best when they're unintrusive, every time pokemon has tried to have a compelling story it's fallen flat. the story shouldn't be the focus>Empty Kanto that rivals ScVisomewhat true in GSC but restored in HGSS
>>59264666I fucking hope not.
>>59264789>Admittedly fucky in GSC postgameYou could argue it's for worldbuilding
>>59264798HGSS keeps the worldbuilding intact while keeping the levels a hell of a lot more reasonable.
>>59264806Yeah but them being above the Champion is weird in story terms
>>59264810That is true. Perhaps Lance's postgame team should be available to fight right out the gate.
>>59264789>but fixed in HGSSLast I checked it’s still broken so I don’t think the fix worked>meaningless buzzwordSo is kino, tourist>pokemon stories are at their best when they're unintrusive, every time pokemon has tried to have a compelling story it's fallen flat. the story shouldn't be the focusI’m glad they don’t listen to you because BW and SuMo are the best games in the franchise >somewhat true in GSC but restored in HGSSLast I checked it’s still a boss rush so no
>>59264813>bootleg kanto theme park region and mash a through cutscenes simulator 2016 are the best games in the franchiseholy kek
>>59264812Could work as"Kanto gym leaders have been training heavily and have just recently reached Elite 4 level.....except the Elite 4 and Champion trained as well."
>>59264824SuMo is my favorite explicitly because of the cut scenes and I delight in the fact that people who don’t like them can’t skip them.
>>59264834>this punch bowl is my favorite because of the turd in it
>>59264835HGSS be like>this punch bowl is my favorite because there’s no punch in it
>>59264839literally the exact opposite kek, there is not a pokemon game more complete than HGSS
>>59264642Yes.>New typesJohto.>Physical/special splitJohto.>Baby pokemonJohto.>Cross-gen evosJohto.>BreedingJohto.>Alternate overworld capture methodsJohto.>Trio MastersJohto.>Held ItemsJohto.>Move deletersJohto.>HappinessJohto.>Day/night cycleJohto.>In-game eventsJohto.>Trainer rematchesJohto.>BerriesJohto.>Special pokeballsJohto.Everything from gens 3 onward except for abilities owes its existence to Gen 2. Kneel before your better, Gen alpha cucks.
>>59264857>>Physical/special splitthis was sinnoh, you're thinking of the special split (as in special to spatk and spdef)
>>59264813>BW and SuMo are the best games in the franchise They're fucking garbage mate, only zoom-zooms think this. BW killed any innovation the franchise would have because it was so shit, but gamefreak took the wrong lesson and instead of making better games they said "We're going to kanto pander forever". SM were so shit they released remakes in the same generation with USUM and even those are boring dogshit where 90% of the game is text and 10% of it is actual gameplay.
>>59264867And what came before the physical/special split? That's right. Special becoming two stats. It set the precedent for changing how the mechanics work on a deep, core level. If special had remained one stat, we would likely have never gotten the proper physical/special split.
>>59264839HGSS is all punch, no turd. Gen 7 is all turd, no punch. If I wanted to read a novel I'd either read a fucking book (which we all know you can't do), or play a visual novel (and even the worst of those would be 1000x better writing than anything pokemon has ever shat out). The unskippable word vomit wouldn't be so bad if the writing was good and the characters weren't all one-dimensional dogshit. But alas, it sucks and they are, just like gen 5.Gen 3 shot the franchise in the leg with its ugly graphics, shitty dex, and awful map design that requires five HMs to finish. Gen 4 brought things back with better graphics and the physical/special split as well as a much better dex. Gen 5 was a sharp, steep drop off a very tall cliff with dogshit writing, boring characters, the worst evil team in the franchise, an awful dex that you're forced to use, and more dialogue than gameplay, and everything after just took the worst parts of gen 5 and fused them with KANTOOOOOOO Pandering..
>>59264873touche.
>>59264658disingenuous count
>>59264873Not my fault you were WRONG by saying "physical/special split".
>>59264658>>59264890doesnt Butterfree have featureless nubs too?
>>59264839>Ha, that punch bowl is empty!>*sips turd*
>>59264857what about box legendaries
>>59264767I always felt like the weak story was actually one of the best aspects about it. You're not railroaded into someone else's story the world is yours to explore.
>>59264757GSC have the elemental punches as buyable TMs. Those are really good for anything that learn it. You can also buy Headbutt, which is just a decent physical move early on.
>>59264890>>59265254It's not."Featureless" means no decoration whatsoever. Everything in the image has monocohrome arms.
