Why does Ash keep appearing on merchandise? I thought Liko was the new face of the franchise???
>>59266245GF capitalizing on Ashfags who can't move on.
>>59266245Liko and Roy failed and will be replaced soon
>>59266245Ash is recognizable even to people that only casually know about Pokemon.
>>59266245>Why does [single most important, well-recognized and significant human character in the franchise's 30 year history] keep appearing on merchandise?couldn't tell you off the top of my head
>>59266245No matter how much manchildren whine about him Ash is the most iconic character of the franchise outside of Pikachu itself.
>>59266263true
>>59266245Most of "Kanto to Paldea" was run by Ash> Liko was the new face of the franchise???She was never stated to be such.>>59266263b-but ashfags told me Red is the popular one??
>>59266245Because he's literally the Mickey Mouse of Pokemon.
>>59266365That's Pikachu
>>59266368And when people think of Pikachu, they also think of Ash. Because they're an inseparable duo.
> Liko and Roy's journey with RVT to find Rakua > 15 year old Ash gets admitted to a class of misfits from Naranja Uva Academy which includes Arven, Penny and Team Stars Leaders as the story focus on reforming each students and their backstory that the game could not expand upon. Which one would have better? I I mean what if the bullies never left and Team Stars getting in trouble for attacking their bullies with a sentient monster truck?
>>59266245This thing is $200 + tip btw
>>59266374Remember that time when Disney sidelined Mickey and decided to give Goofy (Goof Troop) and Donald (Quackpack) their own universes, but then ended up merging them?Well, that's how I feel about Horizons. At some point, someone will give the order and try to cash nostalgia money with a movie or mini-arc with Ash and Liko.
>>59266374I don't think of Ash at all when I see Pikachu lol, even moreso now that Ash is retired and Pikachu is still the face of the franchise
>>59266437Because you're not a normalfag, you're an autist.
>>59266245Just pre ordered.
>>59266245>Costs 200 bucks>They throw in two screenshots (One being from an rectonned form) from the show>Asshmutts somehow turn consooming into serieswarring not because of even new art, but because they added two screenshots in a collector's box (That encompasses all from Kanto TO Paldea)Genuinely pathetic beyond belief.You faggots actually get off on overpriced crap for something you could've printed at home or at your copyshop for like five bucks and then turn it into shitflinging without making sure to read the fine print.And then you fags have the balls to later whine in later merch why you get cucked. Get some self-awareness before letting that ego get bigger.
>>59266374Only in the West, Tajiri himself pointed out in the old Time interview that he found it interesting that marketing for Pokemon in Japan really focused on the monsters while in the West they tended to show the humans too.
>>59266245>>59266434>>59266479>200 for prints and a playmat as extrasTruly awful. There's cheaper, and honestly better playmats out there. The book by itself is only 60 bucks so I don't see how anime screenshots has anywhere near that additional value
>>59266498>Ashnimefaggots start genwars over 140 bucks for two images they can download off the web for free.Buttfucking Pikachu wasn't enough to humble them.
>>59266494Similar to anime featuring giant robots versus piloted mechas, Transformers and similar series are beloved in the West, but in Japan they are considered for preschoolers, and they prefer series where a pilot spends 20 minutes crying in their cockpit and 5 minutes fighting in mechas. This is not a joke; it was said by Ano himself. The crying part is an exaggeration; rather, he used the term introspection and repressing traumas.
>>59266436Isn't the next year the pokemon anime's 30th anniversary ?
>At least 100 bucks for fucking screenshotsAnyone who bought this is fair game for mockery.
>>59266364>b-but ashfags told me Red is the popular one??Not even Redfags believe this. Red may be more respected and liked by the fanbase than Ash but you’d have to be completely delusional to think he can compete in terms of popularity to a character that was the human face of Pokemon during Pokemania and who stayed relevant to the franchise for 25 years.
>>59266245Really? You guys get cocky over two frames for atleast 100 dollars? Is that the hill you wanna die on in the imaginary war over Liko?
>>59266245POKEMON AREN'T FUCKING "CHARACTERS" THEY'RE SPECIES AAAAAAAA
>>59266245who is ash?
>>59266245It's probably just full of shillmons and waifumons nobody cares about.
>>59266436sex with roxanne
>>59266440Thank god for that
>>59266414>Which one would have better? The first one because we know it could actually be that.>>59266523>Not even Redfags believe this. I know, Ashfags do.>Red may be more respected and liked by the fanbase than AshKek, not really. >you’d have to be completely delusional to think he can compete in terms of popularity to a character that was the human face of Pokemon during Pokemania and who stayed relevant to the franchise for 25 years.Yes, ashfags are delusional
>>59266245This is western stuff. I haven't seen any Japanese merch with Ash on it for years.
>>59266245Because Horizons and Liko flopped
>>59266245Horizons isn't doing well, and Ash was a self-fulfilling prophecy that they cling onto.
>>59266245The nostalgiacacer wank company is nostalgia wanking for MIDlennial moneys? who could have possibly predicted this.......
>>59266245Ash is old news but people care less about Liko and Roy (lmao) than his rotting corpse
>>59266436Reminder that in that shitshow called Kingdom Hearts Donald is pretty cool and Goofy the best character, period. While Mickey is an asshole that could have saved Aqua at any time if we go by 3, god I hate that damn mouse.
Ash is literally one of the most successful shilling operations
>>59266958No, that's Red if you want nostalgia buckets
>>59266727>The first one because we know it could actually be that.Considering your biased attitude toward Ash, you would pick anything without him. >>59266727>>59266968Here is the truth about Red None of his accomplishment are actually his accomplishment because it was the player who accomplished it. The same players who later defeat Red as Gold. In fact, Red as NPC is a lousy son only appears to job to new game protagonist. Origin Red was so boring & generic that nobody remembers him or consider him as the actual Red. Manga Red was one of the worst cheater who won the Pokemon League by knocking down Blue. Master Red acknowledged Ash on Pasio, in fact nobody got Red excited as Ash did considering he actually sense his powerlevel from miles away. Even people with no knowledge of Pokemon can instantly recognize Ash while only hardcore pokemon fans knows or even cares about Red. That is the gap between Red and Ash.
>>59266245Liko flopped, bro.
Ash Ketchum is a household name.He's the only true protagonist that Pokemon has, since the game characters are all blank slates for self insertion. People are still watching him on Pokemon YouTube every week. That's staying power. Having him travel through new Regions was a good formula in the long run.
>>59267251>People are still watching him on Pokemon YouTube every weekWhat? Pretty sure they're giving more focus to Liko's anime in youtube
Glad ash is dead and retired
>>59267252On the JPN Youtube Channel, yeah. But TPCi still recognizes Ash has a culture footprint in the west, so the ENG Youtube Channel gives equal attention to the decades of episodic history the Ashnime has, as well as a dedicated sister channel (Pokemon TV) for full episode uploads, which usually linger around or go above 150k views on average.
Kick Roy in the nuts
>>59267356That would imply someone cares enough to do it
>>59267364I said it, I care you illiterate dunce. Get that haywired auto response out of your head.
Ash has been largely a meme for decades, the only people who unironically consume ashnime are emotionally stunted 35 year olds. Most people just rememeber him as the joke who took forever to win a league (assuming they even realized he eventually won one), to be fair a lot of people have fond memories of KANTOOOO and then just moved on.Everyone I know, even fellow pokefags, were like "oh lol he was still around?" when the end of the ashnime was announced, some people turned on the tv to give closure and that's the extent of it. He was only really good in the Shudo era and everything that came later was a meme. Thank Yuyama for that.Conversely likonime's popularity never set off because it was too "experimental" for such a normalfag fanbase (read: outside the autistic gym/elite 4 rinse and repeat dynamic) and writers took a bit too long to figure out what to do with her. And yet it somehow held enough to warrant an extension so I guess they did something right. If any, somehow she keeps getting extensions when her story arc was supposed to end even last year -which is actually the opposite of ashfags' claims, they think it's getting cancelled because they can't conceive a MC actually achieving goals in single digit years-. That said t's actually much better for her legacy if she's replaced at the turn of the gen rather than becoming another memetic zombie MC. Chances are she'll be rediscovered and have a wave of popularity in a few years.To be honest I wonder why they keep insisting in a Pokémon anime, people say it's to promote merchandise but Pokémon hasn't needed that in years, like Hello Kitty doesn't need one.
>>59267466I'm not sure why people kept insisting Pokemon still exists after the GBA titles. Even that was pretty much just reaching for justification for the GBA to exist other than Advance Wars and FF Tactics.
>>59267466>Warrant an extensionThat's probably due to Gen X taking too long to come out. Remember how they needed Orange Islands to pad out a year of Indigo League to give Masuda time to finish Gen II? That's what happened. Horizons plodded along for 4 years doing pretty much nothing for the franchise but showing the anime staff (the same as Journeys) are just incapable of writing an original story. Ash still has the title of lowest views of the series thanks to Journeys, but Horizons shows they didn't really learn a damn thing or improve in any meaningful way. They're just that incompetent they make Game Freak look impressiveDoesn't mean Ash is ever coming back though, everyone grasps for straws about this faggot but the Pokemon brand clearly doesn't care about him in the slightest because the fucker is brand poison. He WAS Pokemon like 20 years ago, but nowadays Pokemon clearly doesn't need any human face and if they want to shill humans they have characters like Cynthia, N or Iono to work with instead. It's what the TCG is using
>>59267502>IonoLolLmao One thing is hating Ash, another being this fucking deluded
>>59266434It sold out tooNot sure if scalpers made a bad call or people just gobble up any slop with DELUXE in the name
>>59266245>LikoWho?
>>59267510I hate to break it to you but TPC would legitimately rather plaster Iono on their merchandise than Ash if you maybe looked up modern human-based merch
>>59266245Everyone knows who Ash and his Pikachu are, hail to the fucking king baby
>>59267502>That's probably due to Gen X taking too long to come out. Remember how they needed Orange Islands to pad out a year of Indigo League to give Masuda time to finish Gen II?Back in Gen II with limited internet access, they needed a running anime to stay visible and promote the games. That's no longer the case, as I said the franchise hasn't need an anime in many years, even since before the ashnime ended. They could have ended the likonime before timeskip, they could have ended it last month at the end of the arc. They didn't and I'm actually perplexed. Something must be justifying these extensions, and no it's not the delay of Gen X because the money printing machine can run a year or two, or even the next 20, without an anime.
>>59267546In the case of not "needing" an anime anymore, they could've just not had Liko's anime to begin with if they didn't need one. If they cut the anime now, what are they going to air in its time slot? Make up a brand new, short-term filler anime from scratch based on Z-A? Z-A already was delayed a year too because of the Switch 2, so they couldn't run something adapting it until then. Now they have another empty year to pad out until they can finally get ready to launch whatever Gen X adaption there will be. This is the largest gap between generations the franchise has ever seen, with the prior largest being Gen III-IV (which had its own filler season) and Gen IV-V (which was horrendously padded like Gen II instead of including a filler season like I or III)I think it's just a case of these hacks needing a job to begin with so people are on the Pokemon payroll and being forced to shit out anything since people still expect an anime, regardless if it "needs" one or not. This is all to keep eyes on the brand regardless of it being necessary to promote the games since the games don't need it anymore, but the anime effectively needs to try and justify itself. I think the part that hurts it the most is just the fact it's Kodomo anime so it's pumped out regardless of quality unlike a Seasonal anime, which is why they won't allow it to ever end
>>59267565> If they cut the anime now, what are they going to air in its time slot?There's no reason to keep the time slot in the first place, but if there are long term contracts tied to it, they could have just filled with old Ash episodes, if I have to believe he's supposed to be so wildly popular.>I think it's just a case of these hacks needing a job to begin with so people are on the Pokemon payroll and being forced to shit out anything since people still expect an anime, regardless if it "needs" one or notIt could be the case yea, but it's funny because at some point a bunch of likonime staff moved onto non-Pokémon projects and had to outsource several episodes -with the noticeable drop in quality-.
>>59267614>they could've just not had Liko's anime to begin with if they didn't need oneforgot to answer this. Maybe they started just in case it blew and started printing money on its own which of course didn't happen. At least there was a reason to start it, but to extend it this long -except as you said, keeping some people on the payroll. Maybe money laundering even, lol.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8aFizEOtb4A freaking harem anime with Ash would have been more popular because people actually gives a dam about which girl Ash would end up with over the quest to find Rakua and stopping a dumb CEO with stupidest plan.
>>59266360>you now remember that dbz cparodyhttps://youtu.be/sQiGDdlJuPg
>>59267112>you would pick anything without him.Yes? This isn't a gotcha. Anything is an improvement when you're at the bottom.>None of his accomplishment are actually his accomplishment because it was the player who accomplished it. That's how video games work anon.>Even people with no knowledge of Pokemon can instantly recognize Ash while only hardcore pokemon fans knows or even cares about Red.Except when you say the opposite.
>>59267251>He's the only true protagonist that Pokemon has, since the game characters are all blank slates for self insertion. Aside from Liko pokemon had multiple other anime and manga.>>59267502> are just incapable of writing an original storyWhy is that suddenly important?> they didn't really learn a damn thing or improve in any meaningful wayIts not meaningful compared with almost every other piece of media, but not being able to commit to a premise for 26 years and then learning how to do it is a meaningful improvement. on its own.
>>59266245ASH GRENINJAWILLRETURN
>imagine even giving a shit about the anime and what parts of it get represented in merch
>>59268498>Anything is an improvement when you're at the bottom.Except Ashnime was never at the bottom unlike most serious kids anime that you wanted Pokémon to be but nobody watches them.>That's how video games work anonExcept nobody tries to compare an video game protagonist accomplishments with anime characters. By that logic , Mario should have been strong enough to toe to toe with Superman.>Except when you say the opposite.I don't, most people will immediately recognise Ash without even knowing nothing about pokemon. >>59268508>Aside from Liko pokemon had multiple other anime and manga.But none of them reached Ashnime's success. >Why is that suddenly important?Because they are replacing a cultural icon.>but not being able to commit to a premise for 26 years and then learning how to do it is a meaningful improvemenYou mean throwing away everything that made the anime stand out to shove a fanfic about current writing staff's characters being more important & superior than the past anime and game characters? That's not an improvement anon, it just a downgrade.
>>59268586>most serious kids anime that you wanted Pokémon to beI never tanted that.>Except nobody tries to compare an video game protagonist accomplishments with anime charactersOk? How does that make video game player characters real people?>I don'tOf course you wont admit it. You never do, but ashfags always change the narrative. Later on you'll complain about Red being wanked.>But none of them reached Ashnime's success. And? They still aren't video games.>Because they are replacing a cultural icon.That doesn't answer the question.>You mean throwing away everything that made the anime stand out to shove a fanfic about current writing staff's characters being more important & superior than the past anime and game characters?No
>>59268604>tantedwanted*
>>59268604>I never tanted that.Please , your argument in that post shows you want that. >How does that make video game player characters real people?Because video game protagonist on pokemon are blank slate , an avatar for people in real world to control. >but ashfags always change the narrativeBlamming Ashfags won't change a thing. >> Later on you'll complain about Red being wanked.Red only appear as the forgettable protagonist from Origin while in the game he is basically a punching bag for other video game protagonist. If you gonna count player's achievement as Red's achievement than Red is canonically weaker than Gold/Krys/Lyra.Only Ash-hater wank Red to troll. >That doesn't answer the question.That perfectly answer the question.
>>59266245>I thought Liko was the new face of the franchiseliko can't even stop Roy from stealing her main c haracter role
>>59268725>your argument in that post shows you want that.where?>Because video game protagonist on pokemon are blank slate , an avatar for people in real world to control.That's every video game character anon, that's the point of the medium, you control the character. It isn't a pokemon thing, you just don't know of anything outside pokemon.> If you gonna count player's achievement as Red's achievementIts not a "gonna count", that's how it works.By your logic then beating Red is also a player's achievement.>That perfectly answer the question.Not really, there's no inherent correlation between being a cultural icon and the need for good writing.
>>59268765>where?> but not being able to commit to a premise for 26 years and then learning how to do itYou don't even know the actual premise of the anipoke and somehow think Horizon "learned" to do it when it learn anything. The plot doesn't make any sense, the main villain's goal doesn't make sense , none of character's backstory makes sense, the new worldbuilding does not make sense and none of the character make any sense. >Its not a "gonna count", that's how it works.Which mean Red has no accomplishment and anything of his own to compete with Ash. >By your logic then beating Red is also a player's achievement.Precisely , this is why nobody considers Gold/Krys/Lyra to be stronger than Red because it is the player that defeated Red. In most cases the same player that use Red as their avatar in the previous game. >Not really, there's no inherent correlation between being a cultural icon and the need for good writingExcept there is. The anime trying to replace a massively popular protagonist that is a cultural icon with over 10 years of legacy, they can't just shove a Mary Sue that gets everything handed to them and believe everybody to obligated to root for that Mary Sue. Its like a new Toei Executive decides that Goku is a manchild who has nothing left to do & Akira Toriyama is dead so he will replace Goku with his own OC who is also a mutant Saiyan from another world that masters Ultra Instinct within one season and unlock Ultra Ego to defeat the main villain and everybody is obligated to forget Goku and cheer for his new OC.
>>59268465Learning Warburton is a big Shonen Jump fan explains so much.
>>59268845>but not being able to commit to a premise for 26 years and then learning how to do itThat's doesn't imply seriousness at all.>Which mean Red has no accomplishment and anything of his own to compete with Ash.This doesn't even reply to the quoted part> this is why nobody considers Gold/Krys/Lyra to be stronger than RedAs told by the fact you didn't say "Ethan", you clearly haven't seen any discussion on the matter if you think this.>The anime trying to replace a massively popular protagonist that is a cultural icon with over 10 years of legacy, they can't just shove a Mary Sue that gets everything handed to them and believe everybody to obligated to root for that Mary Sue. >Its like a new Toei Executive decides that Goku is a manchild who has nothing left to do & Akira Toriyama is dead so he will replace Goku with his own OC who is also a mutant Saiyan from another world that masters Ultra Instinct within one season and unlock Ultra Ego to defeat the main villain and everybody is obligated to forget Goku and cheer for his new OC.You aren't explaining the correlation here.
>>59268986>>Its like a new Toei Executive decides that Goku is a manchild who has nothing left to do & Akira Toriyama is dead so he will replace Goku with his own OC who is also a mutant Saiyan from another world that masters Ultra Instinct within one season and unlock Ultra Ego to defeat the main villain and everybody is obligated to forget Goku and cheer for his new OC.Is that the plot of Project Age 1000?I hope so.
>>59266245epsteinpedo flopliko troonxisters, could it be that we idolize a flop protag and we are wrong? could it be that we are simply trying to be different as a cope for being pathetic failures in real life?
>>59269018>>59252866>>59259201>>59259157>>59240179
Why does a character like him create discussions this long?
>>59267546>Something must be justifying these extensionsIt's most likely ONE (1) specific autist who has maximum level authority, the same way ONE (1) specific autist kept turning down any efforts to retire Ash prior to his character getting its conclusion in Journeys.
>>59269060They need something to ocuppy the timeslot since either the games or the corresponding anime got delayed. Timeslots are sacred in japanese media, you'd know this if you were into more anime.
The anime just decided to go in the wrong direction. It should have focused on hype moments and aura farming with mons.Pokemon is at its best with its battles, might as well lean into that.
>>59268986>That's doesn't imply seriousness at all.It does >This doesn't even reply to the quoted partIt clearly points out that none of Red's achievments count because it was accomplished by the players >As told by the fact you didn't say "Ethan",He was Gold before he became "Ethan". >You aren't explaining the correlation hereI did explained it but you refusing to see it.
Liko a cute
>>59269119>It does >"Lets make a non-serious show">make an non-serious showIt's that easy, there are lots of comedy shows after all.>t clearly points out that none of Red's achievments count because it was accomplished by the playersNo, the quoted part was about your retarded "gonna count" remark, which is retarded. You can't follow a conversation.>He was Gold before he became "Ethan". And? You mentioned Lyra, from the same game where he's Ethan. And how he's often named by people discussing the topic.
>>59269082Won't work unless Ash is involved. You see, some people keep seeing Pokemon to be more similar to Digimon, YGO and Gundam which is why they are obsessed with Protagonist rotation because that is what those anime did but Pokemon is different than them. They kept forgetting that all of those anime were short seasonal show with only YGO being 4 years long.. Pokemon is more similar to long running shonen such as Dragonball, One Piece, Black Clover and Naruto which center on a single protagonist journey and protagonist Rotation would not work there since the original protagonist is face of that series. After all, Naruto tried with Boruto and failed despite all Boruto's aura farming and being stronger than the entire Shippuden cast. Because nobody cared about his story, they just wanted Naruto becoming a planet buster like Goku instead off being nerfed and sealed to glorify his whiny son.. After all, Black Clover just ended. Do you think anybody wants to see a squeal where Asta gets replaced by his children or some other guy that is stronger than him? Only way for Pokemon anime is to scrap the World Tour format and come up with new reasons for Ash to travel to new region with new companion to catch new pokemon and battle new characters. I mean, if all future season going to be like Horizons where protagonist goal is to find mythical place or stop evil organisation then there is no need to replace Ash.
>>59269196Even that isn't quite a good comparison, because Pokemon was never among the likes of those long-runner shonens you speak of.It's kodomo, something for very young children. And long-runner kodomo often uses a status quo that's god, a protagonist with a goal they can never quite reach because that would mark the end of the series, similar to Detective Conan. Forever the same age, no matter how many different iterations of holiday specials the protagonist experiences, forever too distant from a goal that's simple on paper, impossible to accomplish without having to end the entire thing or render it all moot by starting the cycle over again.
In other word, Ash's goal to be a pokemon master by befriending every pokemon which won't end until Game-freak stop release new pokemon game.
>already sold outReeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>Using the most iconic character to advertise a book describing all the charactersI don't see the issueThat said, I've been very suprised that Liko hasn't been shilled nearly as much as I though she'd be.
>>59266245I think I miss Ash
>>59269138>>"Lets make a non-serious show">>make an non-serious show>It's that easy, there are lots of comedy shows after all.You quite literally complain over Ashnime not being serious over its premise. >And? You mentioned Lyra, from the same game where he's EthanKrys and Lyra are confirmed to be separate people but Gold and Ethan haven't been confirm as separate people. >No, the quoted part was about your retarded "gonna count" remark, which is retarded.When people talk about Red's accomplishment in Red vs Ash discussion, they uses player's accomplishment instead of Red.
Ash is actually somehow still popular and recognized by most people, nobody likes or care about floprizon and their protagonists, Liko is only good for porn
>>59269257But the moon is fake?
>>59266245>Why does Ash keep appearing on merchandise? >Only one example
>>59269271>I've been very suprised that Liko hasn't been shilled nearly as much as I though she'd be.She was in the Pokémon presents, *fags (because I got a warning since they're cowards) were using that to say Ash was irrelevant (which to be fair he is) and that Liko was the new face (which to be fair that isn't the case since she's been getting cucked out of the spotlight by fucking Roy)
Ash Greninja haters have been real quiet since the merch dropped.
>>59269609What merch?
>Bulbapedia for $60HAHAHA FUCK NO I AINT BUYIN THIS
>>59269196>ey kept forgetting that all of those anime were short seasonal show with only YGO being 4 years long.. Pokemon is more similar to long running shonen such as Dragonball, One Piece, Black Clover and Naruto which center on a single protagonist journey and protagonist Rotation would not work there since the original protagonist is face of that series.>Thing A wouldn't work because they did thing B.>>59269246That'd have been great if it was the premise from the start. >>59269368>ver Ashnime not being serious over its premise. Yes, not about the ashnime itself not being a serious show.>When people talk about Red's accomplishment in Red vs Ash discussion, they uses player's accomplishment instead of Red.So if I win the world cup at Fifa they should give me the real trophy too? I mean, I achieved it at Fifa and I'm the player so I won the world cup.>>59269593>since she's been getting cucked out of the spotlight by fucking RoyWatch the show.
get a job, Isdra
>fagmon enter the threadHe cannot help himself...and the niggers who keep responding stop, this spic faggot will never move up>>59269562>Liko is only good for pornThis is the only part of this thread work a damn
>>59270045It's sold out anyway, retard.
Why do people even like Ash? He's a shit trainer.
