>>59267460
Gen 4 if you care about the franchise moving away from monster-catching to starting to appeal to VGC
Gen 5 if you care about it not being a Japanese series anymore
Gen 6 if you care about it becoming more corporate to the point where every household knows about it and the series not being for nerds anymore

>>59267460
Honest it was after gen7. For the most part VP aside the fanbase and people were more or less fine with pokemon and nothing was amiss as /vp/ will always have its gen wars. Amongst normies and average pokefans deixt WAS a big deal. So much art and bitching I saw being done. A lot of Sword and shield hype died almost instantly in circles I was in. Made worse by the excuses that it was for better graphics and quality. We even still do this to this day. No one actually care about graphics in a pokemon game but it became a bigger thing when Gamefreak itself called attention to it due to Sword and shield.

Sword and Shield even started the DLCs and even at the time there was strange conflicting stuff where they claimed they were not going to do DLCs to include more mons until walking that back. Its clear it was a bit of a clustterfuck and gamefreak had no idea what they were doing. There were of course issues before this. Many many people where will point out what they hate about certain gens but Sword and shield started the trend that your favorite may not ever appear in that generation and that we should expect the national dex to never appear again.

>>59267460
The Switch is a handheld

>>59267460
Gen 5

>>59267483
It's a handheld for like two hours until it needs charging. And the games on it don't look distinctly handheld like 3ds/vita and before

>>59267460
Gen 6. And then it recovered immediately after. And then it became shit again.

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>>59267482
This honestly leads to a theory I have about franchises becoming poisoned to the point where it negatively affects the fandom because the lack of quality control means people become infinitely more insecure about liking something perceived as "bad" if they put their entire personality into it. Pokemon up to Gen VII wasn't ever truly perceived as "bad" outside of obnoxious contrarians that wanted excuses to hate kiddy Nintendo shit just because they have contrarian /v/ personas for the sake of "standing out" but the moment Gen VIII shit the bet and did pretty much everything wrong that fundamentally broke the franchise altogether. There were missteps before, but nobody really truly disliked earlier Pokemon games enough to call them outright bad but the moment Sword and Shield showed its whole gaping, rash-infested asshole to the public the franchise basically went from "good" to "shit" pretty much overnight. People came up with excuses to hate prior games more and more and wanted to self-justify why they even liked the series at all in the first place

You compare this behavior to other fandoms of IPs seen as "bad" and the behavior is pretty consistent. Lots of Shonen IPs, our cousin franchise Sonic, internet shows and cartoons like RWBY, Digital Circus, Homestuck or Steven Universe. Every fandom has bad apples but usually actually bad shows that are popular have REALLY bad apples. Pokemon became that in 2019 and has never been fixed because the quality control is still shit. One of my favorite go to examples is JoJo where people loved the fanbase, then suddenly started hating them overnight and then it went back to being quiet again. This phenomenon only happened when Part 5 was airing

>>59267462
for one gen

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>>59267460
HGSS was the first game after the golden age of the second duology to be truly disappointing.

BW was the first game to be outright awful.

ORAS was the first game to show even remakes now could be indubitably worse than the earlier option.

ignore picrel

SM was the first game to suggest the series had reached its point of no return.

SS was the game that solidified that point of no return.

SV was the game that killed off any remaining faith things could course correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68

>>59267460
Gen4 with lucario and fursuits mons.

59267592
>fursuits mons
hoenn shitter detected, and thus he avoids talking about blaziken and sceptile

>>59267460
Legends ZA and Scarlet and Violet are genuinely unacceptable games IMO.

>>59267460
The switch games are such bare minimum dogshit in terms of visuals and single player content, it has to be that

>>59267460
Gen VI, Dexit is ultimately kicking a man while he's down, the catch 'em all aspect of Pokemon had been dead since DP. The only other acceptable answer is Gen III.

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>>59267636
Sophmore Slump

>Gen 5
>Cracks are showing
>Gen 6 and 7
>Reclining
>Gen 8+
Iredeemable garbage

Fairy type = nugen
No fairy type = oldgen

>>59267460
When I wasn’t the target audience anymore

>>59267670
So never, because we all know you played RB when you were 20, grampa.

>>59267460
Gen 4 is the lowest of the franchise.

>Peak
Kanto
Johto
>Valley
Hoenn
>Peak
Sinnoh
>Valley
Unova
Kalos
>Plateau
Alola
Galar
>Peak
Paldea

>>59267566
can we stop pretending X and Y were good?

>>59267460
XY and it's not even fucking close

>>59267700
Holy Fucking Kek

>>59267814
You’re right. There’s no need to pretend when they actually were good.

>>59267580
The XY one is weird. Gen 5 hand handholding pacing, family drama stories and team plasma was goofy as fuck.

>>59267669
original dragon*

>>59267814
they were better than bw and that's what the franchise needed at the time

>>59267473
>if you care about it becoming more corporate to the point where every household knows about it and the series not being for nerds anymore
larping beyond belief, pokemon has been a household name since gen1

When they left Japan.
When Ohmori took charge.
When they moved to the Switch.
Bonus Round: No Z and Ash losing the Kalos League.

Still waiting for it. Benefits of being old means I'm recognising the cycles humanity undergoes each generational shift (Pokémania beginning to die leading into Gen 2, GBA being rejected by adults in favour of PS2's and the like going into Gen 3, "Blue Ocean" normies not actually being a pokémon audience (despite many if not more meeting it prior in their lives in some fashion) leading to Gen 4 underperforming compared to the unit hardware sales, 3DS drawing focus and interest to the point normals sperged over Gen 5 not being on it and not supporting it, 3DS ultimately selling less than GBA and Gen 6 only managing a penetration equal to Gen 3, the first actual sign of the strengthening of the brand as Gen 7 finally becomes the first 2nd Gen released to a system that equalled the performance of the initial paired release, Switch heralding a complete revamp of the series with Gen 8's performance finally besting Gen 2 and Gen 9 outpacing that as we move further into the modern era). The one constant in all this of course has been the wide band of humanity between the ages of 6 and 12-ish (with some younger and some older little humans either side being a factor also) leading to events where 10m of them screamed at mummy for a GBA, a fair chunk of them robbed Granny's DS to play pogeymans and Nintendo ensured their fancy new gimmick console couldn't hurt delicate developing childrens' eyes and eyesight by releasing a new model of the gimmick console without the problematic gimmick available the very day Pokémon released to the gimmick console. Until they lose the little humans, they are not in fact going to "fall off". Because no cunt your age gave a shit for it in Gen 2 or 3, but here we are today talking about this bullshit online, several years after the fact of their ignorance of the brand.

>>59268007
Ash should've won the Sinnoh League, if not one of the earlier ones.
Instead of regressing Ash, the Unova cartoon should've been a soft-reboot with a new cast. Like the game(s) it's based on.

>>59267460
it is arguably doing better than ever, fuck off retarded zoomers you are not our target audience anymore

>>59267460
>>59267580
>Gen 3
End of Pokémania. Originally, gen 2 was supposed to be the final one.
>Gen 4
End of Gameboy trilogy. Start of powercreep with literal gods.
>Gen 5
Fugly dex. "Soft reboot".
>Gen 6
KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOO pandering. Start of 3D. Start of casualisation.
>Gen 7
Death of evil teams. Start of mobile slop spinoffs.
>Gen 8
This is where the series inenevitably dies. Even if you liked Sun and Moon, you need to admit that this is pure shit. Point of no return. Period.

I stopped playing after gen 7. I still had fun with gen 7 but they were definitively flawed and not good RPGs. RIP Mystery Dungeon too because these were better RPGs than the mainline games on so many levels.

>>59268063
you are just a retarded troll

God Gen 4 was such dogshit, I can't take any of you faggots seriously if you defend that shit

Pokemon Legends Arceus is the best game of this franchise

>>59268067
Eat shit, nigger.

>>59268072
I just call it as it is
troll response from the limp dicked sack of shit lmao

>>59268078
>limp dicked sack of shit lmao
Holy seething, geg

>>59267460
Gen 7

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>>59268071
Is this you?

>no arguments
god you hoennfaggots and Unovabortions and Kaloscancers Alolatroons are so lazy and dumb

>>59267460
When they started having less new Pokémon in the Regional Dex than old ones.

>>59268094
>I hate every gen

>>59267528
Basically this. Even with come of the criticisms levied at gen 6 and beyond it at least had all your mons and the ability to transfer them. Once they dropped that dexit I remember all hell breaking lose. People could overlook crummy graphics as no one actually cared but being lied to constantly, being forced to buy DLC after being lied to that it would never be a thing, having to pay another service to store pokemon that you may never get to put into the game itself, it was the worst example of Jap money greed.

I remember it halted all the hype of the game and instead people start to make the stop dexit memes. Even to this day a dexit thread pops up either bitching that people never stopped it or the one a bit ago lamenting and asking how your bro is doing in the age of dexit. It basically started a chain reaction as stuff liek people pointing out the low poly trees in sword were only done since they claimed graphics was why they did dexit. Then because of that it started a chain event where people start to be critical of the games and realize how much dog shit is in them for a billion dollar company.

>>59267460
you start to see the cracks in gen 5 but i think gen 6 was when it truly fell off.

>Gen 1
Boomer slop
>Gen 2
Pokemania
>Gen 3
Comfymon
>Gen 4
Peakmon
>Gen 5
Overhated gem
>Gen 6
Kinomon
>Gen 7
Irredeemable dogshit
>Gen 8
Irredeemable bullshit
>Gen 9
Irredeemable horseshit

>>59267609
Both great on Switch 2

>>59267460
Subjectively? Gen 6.
Objectively? Also gen 6, it's when Game Freak lost their passion.

>>59268181
Are they though?
They "run" better, but they're still shit gameplay-wise.
Open world was a mistake.

>>59268190
Sun and Moon was the worst title there ever was, and it was due to being the extreme opposite of an open world.
Endless amounts of railroading, non-stop dialogue, and holding your hand through every single moment.
I'll take Arceus any day of the week, a thousand times over.

>>59267460
It died at gen 6 when they adopted the generational gimmick model instead of building up from what they had.

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>>59267460
i dunno, maybe the unfinished crap that was released without 1/3 of the game? Then they realized they could release literal shit and people would buy it anyway. And they did it.

>>59268178
That's basically the same as my opinion.
I amsure I would have loved gen 1 and 2 if I grew up with them, but playing them the first time as a late teen, they just weren't that good, especially compared to gen 3-5. Buggy, janky and ugly, highly limited by the Gameboy Hardware.
Even though I did actually enjoy the Mario games and Kirby games on the Gameboy. The gameboy is better for fast, simple action platformers than slow complex RPGs with stats, levels, a story and a large interconnected world.

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>everyone that answered Gen V and beyond

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How if it even a debate that it's XY?
>First game that "needed" a battle gimmick with Megas
>Full stream EXP Share completely broken (yeah you could turn it off but it was on by default)
>First time min-maxxing wasn't a semi-hidden mechanic
>First time I was begging for characters to shut the fuck up

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>>59268253
>>First time I was begging for characters to shut the fuck up

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>>59268063
>End of Pokémania
was Gen II

>>59268499
Adler is such a gigachad.

>>59267580
>objectively the best game in the series was the first game after the golden age of the second duology to be truly disappointing

It never fell off, it's selling better than ever.

>>59267460
>When did Pokémon truly fall off?
gen 5
then it immediately got better afterward

>>59268253
>How if it even a debate that it's XY?
Probably because it’s an objectively better game than BW and BW2 and all the things you’re screeching about were already problems in BW.

>>59267460
Popularity: gen 2
Quality: gen 6

>>59267460
Popularity: gen 5
Quality: gen 5

>>59268567
>>59268577
>>59268618
hi yawnfag

>>59268184
>losing their passion somehow made them add more features back instead of lazily cutting everything

>>59268650
You misread the number, that's a six (6), the complete fumble that was X/Y that killed all passion Game Freak had.

In short, forcing Sugimori to step back as the director is what sent the franchise down the path that lead to gen 8. The strict leadership meant high quality control that slipped and churned out slightly worse games from XY onward until SwSh landed a big dookie pile of shit graphics + the worst combat gimmick in execution on my face, and I was ready to move on. Only insistence that SV, despite programming issues, was a fun game did I come back, and to their credit, they were right.
With another new director for WuWa, I have no hopes for another Sugimori, but god bless that this one is gone.

>>59268713
How do I do [things that aren't in gen 6] in gen 6?

>>59268726
Masuda*, not Sugimori. I should not be posting this early.

>>59267700
Dubs wasted on dogshit opinion HOLY FUCK

>>59268728
>maybe if I pretend features that are clearly in gen 6 aren’t in gen 6 I can keep living in my schizoland where gen 6 is magically bad

>>59268726
If less strict leadership brought back all the features gen 5 lazily cut, maybe it was a good idea after all.

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>>59268524
>objectively the best game in the series

>>59268773
I forgot that gen 6 had literally every single feature from older and newer games, silly me.

>>59267460
yes

>>59268506
Your own meme graph points gen III was the true downfall

>>59268823
>it doesn't have EVERY feature so please stop noticing that it has more features than gen 5

>>59268709
>their passion being killed somehow made them add more features back instead of lazily cutting everything

>>59267460
Pokèmon peaked in Hoenn therfore gen 4 being the fall-off

>>59268835
If you accept that Pokemon RBY was the biggest gaming sensation in the world, then you must also accept that GSC failing to sell anywhere close as much means that it flopped and killed Pokemania.

>>59268847
Gen IV brought Pokemon to a proper conclusion even if it wasn't the peak.

>>59268840
Where can I partake in the Safari Zone in Kalos? Or perhaps gamble (read: pay millions) for TMs? The contests? The Pokéathlon? How do I get my Pokémon to follow me? Why aren't NPCs letting me register and call them? Where can I catch Unown? What about other things gen 6 lacks?

>>59268870
all of those are in gen 6

>>59268874
Why did you put the logo of your favourite website at the bottom of the image?

>>59267460
Boomed in gen 1
Dropped off after gen 3
Boomed again in gen 6
Dropped off after gen 6
Pokemon GO boom
Gen 8 disappointment
Revived by PLA somewhat
Gen 9 didn't change public perception one way or another (which is actually a good thing)

>>59268879
I know, everything is in gen 6, even gen 10 is already in gen 6.

>>59268870
>it doesn't have EVERY feature so please stop noticing that it has more features than gen 5

>>59268908
Are you going to answer where they all are?

>>59268981
Are you going to defend gen 5 instead of deflecting to irrelevant shit?

>>59268993
No since you're the retard that brought gen 5 up for no reason, as you can't actually defend the trash that is gen 6 without bringing up irrelevant shit.

>>59269015
gen 5 is litcherally in he OP doebeitsonhoweverlabeit

>>59269015
>claim gen 5 has passion and gen 6 doesn't
>refute claim
>"Y-Y-YOU BROUGHT UP GEN 5 FOR NO REASON!!!!"
Not sure if illiterate or just retarded.

>>59269020
Are you having a stroke, doompaloompa?

>>59269021
>Not sure if illiterate or just retarded
How ironic.

>>59267460
Gen 4, doesn't matter how much people who were younger than 11 at the time scream

>>59269026
kys newfaggot

>>59267580
What's even the BW postgame, a couple of shitty routes that lead nowhere?
If you say BW has good postgame so does XY, since they're pretty much the same

>>59269054
for some reason redditors have the logic that routes existing in postgame automatically means the postgame is good, even if the maingame has fewer routes in comparison

>>59269047
>noo you're not allowed to call out someone for speaking like a tard tyhcrttncdstnedcrg

>>59269054
Abyssal Ruins.
Cynthia.
Black City/White Forest.
Elite Four rematch/Alder battle.

>>59269098
I don't like those so it doesn't count, not real content

>>59268848
It still mogs every single other gen that follower. Gen III is second worst one. That's factual.

>>59267460
Sales wise? It was a decline until gen 6 (gen 4 only sold a bit more than 3 because of the GBA's truncated lifespan, it doesn't count)

Quality wise? Gen 4 was a small dip but the big downturn was gen 6

>>59267460
I've replayed all Pokemon gens within the last two years and XY is the first real crack. The game is just like tasteless Vanilla ice cream. Everything is bland from the rivals, gym leaders, the Elite 4, the champion, the evil team. Plus it has the same problem as DP that most players will probably finish the game with the same team. Alola brought some soul back but I don't think I need to explain its flaws. The Switch games were the final nail in the coffin.

>>59267528
I noticed that along side the decline of the quality of the games there was indeed a directly proportional decline of the quality of the fandom itself as well.
Maybe this gives some credit to your theory, idk.

>>59269098
>Black City/White Forest.
was empty; literally nothing there

>>59269046
Litterally sold more than the previous generation and the following one

>>59269294
Why is the Reddit logo at the bottom?
Is that where you got this meme from?

>>59267460
Update this, put ZA at the end then add a cross compatibility bar that starts at SwSh and ends at SV

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>>59267580

>>59267957
His point stands. It lost its mainstream reach around Gen 3-5.

>>59269033
Not really. It's quite fitting that you're illiterate or retarded.

>>59269110
this but for XY

>>59267460
gen 5 is the death of Pokemon!

>>59269856
>>59269864
>>59269867
welcome back yawnfag

>>59267460
When Gen 5 failed

>>59267460
>truly fell off
Never. It started with a strong foundation in gen 1. With each passing gen using the same formula with a different flavor, it is bound to slowly sink into oblivion, which it does, but there's no sudden drop. Haven't really played since gen 2, but I know what I would get myself into if I were to buy a game now.

>>59267460
The switch. These games were never meant to be triple AAA console expirences.

>>59268178
I'd hardly call Gen 8 "irredeemable" because I can see SOME good in it, at least as a "comfy" pokemon game and I can see some fun to be had there.

I super agree with all the others but I need to ask, why do you think Gen 6 is "kinomon"?

>>59268039
>3DS drawing focus and interest to the point normals sperged over Gen 5 not being on it and not supporting it,
nice fanfiction

>>59269463
The conclusion is Gens 4-6 have objective merit while the only positives attributed to Gens 7/8 (and 9 but no one cares) are "a-at least they didn't cut more stuff this time"

>>59267528
>a theory I have about franchises becoming poisoned to the point where it negatively affects the fandom because the lack of quality control means people become infinitely more insecure about liking something perceived as "bad" if they put their entire personality into it.
so something like
>(thing) is pretty alright, flawed but it's nothing anyone takes uber seriously
>(thing) fandom is nice and healthy with individuals secure in liking it
>new (thing) comes out and irreperably shits the bed, calling into question the quality of (thing) in the past, present, and future
>level headed (thing) fans make peace with the quality drop and quietly leave the fandom, or at least take a much more subdued appreciation for it
>this leaves you with unstable fans of (thing) in the fandom who are constantly fighting to justify any opinions towards (thing), positive or negative
>naturally this shift fucks up the (thing) fandom
am i understanding properly

>>59267460
Gen 2
People who say otherwise were not alive or too young

>>59267460
Post gen 2 because that was legitimately the end.

>>59270393
More or less. If things don't stabilize afterwards it just causes deeper fractures and eventually becomes irreparable. PokeAni had already suffered this years ago when people realized the anime was never truly going to get better, but the games didn't start really suffering from it until SwSh. Beforehand you had a few people disappointed with some installments, but even stuff like the sudden Gen II slander is VERY recent because it comes from children who grew up with newer games trying to find excuses to justify why THEIR childhood wasn't as good as the older fans

The more insecure you are about liking something that most people don't deem as good, the more likely you are to lash out about it to other people, especially with autism honeypots like the Pokemon fanbase. Genuinely nowadays so much of this fandom's behavior is no different than what I see from Sonic fans

>>59270427
honestly that checks out. for me it's SV which i can see the criticism for but i just had a fun time running around the region and going "oh hey i found this mon, fuck it sure i'll add one to my team". i also emulated it though so i also recognize my opinion is gonna be different than someone who paid $60 for the game to run in 15fps. idk i just ain't got it in me to lash out over pokemon, it's just not worth the energy

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>>59267460
I don't know but it might be related to them not doing this anymore

>>59269221
thats because of oversight
the location starts at maximum size filled with npcs each having points given to them at random (20-80)
each day that passes without you battling them makes them lose 5 points when they reach zero theyre gone eternalink is the only way to get them back most of those functions dont work anymore. so once they're gone they're gone unless you got another copy with them still there i think.
you have 16 days to reach black city/white forest before everyone leaves and 4 days if you want everyone there.
the worse part is you have to keep playing if you want them to stay as the only way to give them points is to battle them (+10 daily)

>>59267460
Objectively Gen5
it was a failed reboot

Gen 3 - Pokemon Craze ended, people were getting older and it wasn't cool to like Pokemon anymore
Gen 5 - If you were a purest and didn't like the reboot and direction they were headed despite it basically being a love letter to Gen 1 and the finale to the old style of games
Gen 7 - When the glitz of the 3D waned and everyone realized the designs were just falling apart

It seems to starting to pop off again though slowly, so whatever game after WW it'll probably be messy because it'll fall apart again and the glitz and glamour of the new stuff will wane once more.

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>>59267460
Transition to 3D, Just impeccable Sprite work down the drain

>>59267460
>Gen IV and V
>2D
Only Gens I-III were true 2D.

>>59268820
>hgss midgame has lower levels than platinum endgame
Yes, objectively the best in the series. By FAR. If you can manage to criticize it without being a disingenuous faggot I'll consider hearing you out.