Oh hey it's been a while since this thread againIt's wrong. Deal with it
>>59276342gee whizz you sure proved your point with text no one can actually readAnd no I don't give a fuck, it's obviously real. I don't care if internal docs show otherwise, all that means is they changed it and we are seeing docs from after they decided to change it. Suck my cock
>>59276356Imagine taking pride in being an ignorant nigger that can't read. 2014 predates even the fucking concept art for 100% Zygarde, you think there was concept art for the fucking trainers by this point?
>>59276342ever stop to think that the concept stayed the same but the characters designs were swapped around
>>59276361it's pretty easy to tell you're a bitch
>>59276361>racismOkay so you're not an intelligent person whose opinions have any value, got it thanks for letting me know
>>59276366>>59276367>>59276368■キャプテン7:その1 プリンスにしてマニア陸ライドの達人。のちにノーマルジムリーダーになる。名称:イリマ アオイ科の植物。イリマは、もっとも高貴なレイフラワーの一つであり、ハワイの人々にとって、とても馴染みの深い花。色は黄色。■ Captain 7: Part 1 — The Prince and the EnthusiastA master of Land Riding. He later becomes a Normal-type Gym Leader.Name: IlimaA plant belonging to the mallow family.The Ilima is considered one of the most noble of lei flowers and is a bloom deeply familiar to the people of Hawaii. It is yellow in color.●名称:マツリカ 茉莉花。モクセイ科ソケイ属(ジャスミン、素馨)の1種の常緑半蔓性灌木。ハワイ語ではピカケ●ベースとなるキーワード手持ちのベストパートナーはトラツリアブ2のイメージ。画家。放浪癖のある天然ボケ。好きなものには目の色の変わる性格。海の民であり、幼少より画才に恵まれ、その画風とキャラクターから美術界のフェアリーと賞される。● Name: Matsurika(Jasmine / *Jasminum sambac*). An evergreen, semi-vining shrub belonging to the genus *Jasminum* (Jasmine) within the Oleaceae family. Known as *Pikake* in Hawaiian.● Core KeywordsHer team composition is envisioned as being similar to that of the Trainer "Ornithopter" (from *Pokémon Colosseum*).A painter by trade. She possesses a wandering spirit and a naturally airheaded, spacey demeanor. Her personality shifts dramatically—her eyes practically change color—when she encounters something she loves. She belongs to the "People of the Sea" (a seafaring clan); blessed with artistic talent since childhood, her unique painting style and whimsical character have earned her the title of the "Fairy of the Art World."
>>59276366Ever stop to think the bishonen pretty boy who gets all the girls trope (that Game Freak based a fucking Champion around in gen 3) has been around in Japan FAR longer than the alphabet soup brigade's been squealing for representation, much less HOPING the biggest kid's multimedia franchise in hunam history would legitimise their spastic selves. And as such, Ilma was designed and presented as-intended as-is, without some queer staffer going off-reservation from the get-go by designing a character diametrically opposed to how Pokémon presented Fairy trainers and the type in Gen 6 and 7, requiring overwatch to step in and smash the lavender dream.
>>59276386Based moonrunes reader, bringing receipts to teach the uneducated dregs of humanity.
I'm 90% sure Alolan Ninetales was directly inspired by Disney's Frozen.Think about it. It premiered late 2013 riiiight after X&Y came out, and Frozen fever was fucking HUGE in Japan. If you were a Pokemon monster designer trying to make an Ice Type monster for your new game in that time period, it'd be very hard NOT to immediately think of Frozen. Alolan Ninetales absolutely has the same general vibe as Elsa, especially with the 9 tails looking way more like a long flowing dress now. And that's probably the entire reason why it's a Fairy Type. Because Fairy is the Disney princess Type.
>>59276461Why not make it its own mon instead of using as a replacement for Ninetales. OR were they already wanting to replace ninetales and they came up with the elsa thing afterward.
>>59276482Probably went like>how do we make our fire fox into a regional snowy fox>ooo hey wait guys auroras are called 'fox fires' in scandinavia, that'd be clever>wait a minute Frozen was scandinavian too, let's make it a pretty snow princess like elsa
>>59276386Now tell me what does it prove?
>>59277080>He actually can't read
>>59276387how would ilima being a fairy trainer be the opposite of the way they've designed them in the past? EVERYONE thought he was a fairy trainer pre-reveal.
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>>59276386Ilima is part of Mallow's family?
>>59277156grookey and thwackey are so assI totally see the zarude comparison now though
>>59277167Having people with related plant names being related is kinda fun to think about.Ilima, Mallow and Malva are all named after plants in the Malvacea or Mallow/ hibiscus family. Nanu and Gardenia are both named after gardenia species. Not so fun fact, two of the three species referred to as nanu are down to less than 10 plants in the wild, which explains why Nanu was designed to be depressed as fuck.Sophocles and Clara are both named after Sophora species. Sophocles is especially funny since Sophocles comes from word play with the plants scientific name. Sopho(ra) chrys(ophylla).
>>59276386>Trainer "Ornithopter" (from *Pokémon Colosseum*)Which trainer is this?Also,>game freak internal documents directly mentioning Pokemon Colosseum
>>59277105Because at that point, Fairy was the purview of females (to the point they gave the also-ran a female Sylveon in Gen 6 instead of showing a CotD's ambiguously gendered one). Anon thinking they designed a male fairy type (because she's gay and wants representation) actively works in conflict with how they CONTINUED to present fairy types (three separate Primarina trainers appearing, with 3 female Primarina, one of which even designing her outfits around her Primarina's designing) in that same generation.And if a non-weeb retard fucker like me (pokémon's the only Japanese IP I really give a shit about) can understand the "bishonen pretty boy" trope, you little faggots have no excuse save ignorance. Sorry you're an ignorant cunt, but that's why you're continuing to push this retarded shit in a post-Teraleak world >>59276386
>>59276342Doesn't really prove it wrong
>>59277422It's a poor Google Translate jargon, has nothing to do with Colosseum. It should actually read>Her trusted partner is envisioned as a *Bombylius major* (bee fly).It's saying her Ace is Ribombee
>>59277468>bishonen pretty boy means they didn't swap their type affinities>because IT JUST DOES OK
>>59278476No but deliberately designing a school boy bishounen that uses Normal types and an airy, zonked out painter that using Fairy types doesBeing willfully wrong on the internet just because mommy didn't give you enough attention doesn't mean anything either
>>59276333I think hatterene are related to the lake trio in some way due to their main body shape, coloration, and hatred of emotions. G-max hatterene especially has the main body in a pose similar to them.
>>59278479The whole point of the thread is that they were swapped during development. You can't say "No, they weren't swapped during development, look at this thing they said at some point! That proves it!" because it was swapped beforehand. They clearly also swapped their ace mons, with smeargle being the obvious fit for mina and nonsensical for ilima.
>>59278490hory sheet
>>59276386>theory is that as some point of the development Ilima was the fairy guy with Ribombee and Mina the normal girl with Smeargle, and then at another point of the development Ilima was normal with Smeargle and Mina was fairy with Ribombe like in the final game>"this document from the game's development says Ilima is normal and has Smeargle and Mina is fairy and has Ribombee!"Okay and how the fuck does that disprove anything you retard, it's literally the same proof as if you grabbed your game's copy and checked their final teams, it doesn't prove the idea wrong.
>>59278852Illima’s ace is Gumshoos
>>59278852>>59278914This is basically arguing characters that weren't even DRAWN yet had their concepts swapped at this point. Can you even comprehend how stupid that sounds?
>>59278975Fags are by definition illogical, are you really that surprised they posit illogical scenarios to justify their mental delusions?
>>59278942not relevant for development>>59278975>IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT WAS DURING DEVELOPMENTWE'RE TALKING ABOUT DECISIONS MADE DURING DEVELOPMENT YOU DUMB NIGGER
>>59278978samefag
>>59278978>>59278983They're at a point of being so willfully ignorant just to prove a point that they're moving the goalposts so far away from the initial theory just to pretend they're right. The character bios are dated 2014 (pre-ORAS release) while the concept art that would justify their headcanons was finished a year later. The only logical way for their headcanon to make sense is if there was some deleted character bio that was used as the basis for the concept art, which would have to have been updated around the time the concept art was being made which itself already depicts what is essentially the same as the final game to begin withIt's just trying to prove a negative. Even the Caterpie/Venomoth faggots have more of a leg to stand on
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>illogical seething
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>>59278490>he doesn't knowLati@s is actually just beta Blaziken
The bios aren't even fully accurate to the released game either. Lana's is an example of them actually changing something during development. Despite this, Ilima and Mina's are basically 1:1●ベースとなるキーワード手持ちのベストパートナーはイワシのイメージ。漁師の娘の少女。漁師見習い。内気で人見知りだが優しい子。導く者草の友達。4人姉妹の3女。家族と共に4つの頃から両親の船に乗り、水ポケモンたちとともに仕事を手伝う。この中で幼くしてポケモンとの強い信頼関係を築き上げる。そのポケモンとの絆を認められ、導く者の役目を与えられる。10歳を超えてからは配送の仕事も手伝っている。得意先であるレストランへの配送を行うなかで、導く者草との友情が芽生え、姉や母親のように慕っている。潮目や天候、風を読むことに長け、操舵技術に秀でる。幼少より家族を中心とした生活を送ってきたせいか、人見知りするやや内気な性格。女系家族に育ったためか特に同世代の男の子が苦手で話すときに赤面するほど。女性としての自覚にはまだ芽生えておらず、おしゃれなどに興味はなく趣味は釣りと素潜り。将来の夢は考えていないが、両親のように結婚し、仲睦まじい家庭を築くことが夢。クリア後ジムリーダーされ、一度は拒否。しかしマオの説得に応じ恐る恐るその座に就任。
>no you see it makes perfect sense that the artistmon doesn't go to the artist and that the guy with fairy eyes is a normal trainer, see, they clearly made these decisions during development so they couldn't have changed anything during development either. You'll never be able to prove your theory about their designs being swapped during the early stages of development before all the details were finalized and concept art of their finished designs made which is all the material we have to go on obviously, so it DIDN'T HAPPEN, and COULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. How illogical!Niggerbrain disease
>>59276333The flying type was first the bird type but they changed it during development
>>59279022● Core KeywordsHer primary partner Pokémon is envisioned as Sardine.The young daughter of a fisherman; she currently works as a fishing apprentice. Though shy and somewhat reserved around strangers, she is a kind-hearted child. She serves as a "Guide" and is a close friend to the Grass-type Captain. She is the third of four sisters. Since the age of four, she has accompanied her family aboard her parents' fishing boat, assisting with their work alongside their Water-type Pokémon. Through these experiences, she forged a deep bond of trust with her Pokémon at a very young age. Recognizing this profound connection, she was entrusted with the role of a "Guide."Since turning ten, she has also taken on delivery duties. While making deliveries to client restaurants, she struck up a friendship with the Grass-type Captain, whom she now looks up to much like an older sister or her own mother. She possesses a keen ability to read the tides, weather, and wind, and demonstrates exceptional skill in steering a boat.Perhaps due to a childhood spent largely within the confines of her family life, she has developed a somewhat shy personality and is reserved around strangers. Having been raised in a female-dominated household, she is particularly uncomfortable around boys her own age—so much so that she blushes profusely whenever she has to speak to one. She has yet to fully awaken to her identity as a young woman; she holds no interest in fashion or dressing up, preferring instead to spend her free time fishing and free-diving. While she hasn't given much thought to a specific career path, her ultimate dream is to follow in her parents' footsteps: to get married and build a loving, harmonious family of her own.After the main story is cleared, she is offered the position of Gym Leader—a role she initially declines. However, after being persuaded by the Grass-type Captain (Mallow), she tentatively accepts the position and assumes the mantle of Gym Leader.
>if I spam untranslated jap text and unrelated characters maybe people won't notice how retarded I sound
>>59279023>>59278975
>this character looks gay so he must use fairy typeOP is a retard
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>>59279034>the eyes used be fairy trainers before doesn't count because um you totally are just saying he's gay and that's the only reason dumb chud
>>59279037Yes motherfucker you are legitimately suggesting that stuff during the concept stage got changed and not the development stage. You know the difference, right?The character designs were done AFTER the concept stage, ergo the "eyes" argument is completely inaccurate and irrelevant to the point
>>59279031Yes that's why I translated it for you because apparently you can't do that by yourself. I'm spoonfeeding stuff directly and have given the source to my files this entire thread, which is the filename for this image >>59276342I am literally babying you and you're spitting it up, just like a baby
>>59276387>>59277468>>59278479>>59278978>just bending over and giving the gays Fairy typesbruh
>>59279221How did you read that the opposite of what ANY of those posts were saying
>>59279230half the argument is "if the prettyboy uses Fairy pokemon that means he is gay"
>>59279221The onlky one I see squealing about giving gays fairy type is the wee gay insisting a bishie pretty boy was somehow supposed to be a gay rep fairy trainer before things got changed.
>>59279259how does giving ilima fairy types make him gay? is bede gay? is any male who owns a gardevoir?
>>59279243But he doesn't use Fairies and was never concepted or designed to use Fairies. Why does this matter?>>59279290Depends on your views on Wally. They decided to scrub Gardevoir off him to give her to a woman despite Gardevoir being designed to be a guardian angel protecting a sickly child like Wally. Apparently that was too faggy, so they gave him a masculine, male knight in shining armor to represent himAs for Bede that's a canon of worms given he literally turns from a Psychic specialist to a Fairy specialist
>>59279290How does making him a bishie pretty boy mean he was supposed to be a Fairy trainer fag? As I already said, they established Fairy types as more associated with females (like bugs are almost exclusively male-orientated regarding notable trainers, while Fairy err female-heavy, with the two males both actually more effeminate in behaviour than Ilima).He's also canonically called "Prince of the Trainer's School" as most bishie pretty-boys invariably end up Princes in manga. But keep trying to re-define a trope to suit your own ends, it's hilarious seeing you earnestly try.
how does this fag keep arguing>stop calling him gay fairy-type specialist he's a bishonen so that means he's a straight normal-type specialistwhen fucking nobody is saying that except him?>his eyes look like fairy eyesthat's fucking it on his end, stop adding bullshit that isn't there.And I don't know if it's the same dumbass or a different one but yes, during conceptualization = during development to all but the most pedantic fucking brainless niggers, as the game has to be conceptualized, and conceptualization occurs both before and during development.Your totally dishonest navigation of the conversation is not only autistic, but embarrassing. I think you should kill yourself.
>>59278490cool idea but unfortunatly debunked
