Fidget Ninja EditionPrevious Thread: >>59267790FAQ: https://pastebin.com/MypNBzca
>still grading cards
>still ritualposting
>still buying vintage
>still buying mid era
>still buying modern
>still buying future
>>>59277251There's gonna be a crash. Collectibles bought to be kept sealed and in perfect condition and speculated to grow in value never actually do forever. The same thing happened with coins. The same thing happened with comics. The same thing happened with stamps. The same thing happened with beanie babies. One could even argue the funko pop craze was another instance of this bubble, except funko pops never had those old cheap things that would fall apart with a fart only uber-autists preserved like most the other collecting hobbies do.Its just grifters and speculators being pussies and instead of burying gold in their backyard, they ruin collecting hobbies. Eventually, as fewer people can get into the hobby, people leave because of price, a lack of new interest because it was inaccessible for so long, autists finally get the IR cards they want, these people with 50 Charizards or 50 pkmn center 151's will want to cut losses and the market will be flooded, the "investors" will panic, the spiral will deepen, and the only thing that will keep their value will be the old shit that wasn't built to last, or the occasional later one-off card, just like comics, stamps, and coins.
>>59277377Pokemon is still arguably the largest intellectual property in the world, so your comparisons fall completely flat.
>>59277392Size is irrevelant. The principle is the same.
>>59277377>pokemon created jobs for people >has been around for 30 years and probably will until the 100th for sure>still is to this day top 5 richest franchise in the whole fucking world>has a thematic shit for everything like planes,metros,parks, vehicles, you fucking name it >it cover's a wider variety of age ranges when compared to other hobbies or passion's Yeah bro it will happen but not in the near or nearest future. It will only come when the creators will run out of ideas and the whole fanbase will notice.
>>59277377It will crash only if people stop buying from scalpers and for that I present picrel
>>59277377>>59277455this franchise wont even die when the creators do, because TPCi will just hire new stock who grew up with the franchise. Will they herald the end times? idk, how do you feel about fan content now?
>>59277578>picrelComplete bullshit or fads would literally never happen. People will just if they think everyone else is.>proof?The phone in your hand.
>>59277578Pokemon is already ramping up printing production because they see zero (0) money in the secondary market. Same thing happened with sports cards.
>>59277657https://www.wral.com/business/pokemon-card-maker-expands-north-carolina-factory-2025/
>>59277657they are doing a poor job, everything still costs a quadrillion.I want some grail cards not because they are expensive but because they look cool and so far I still see prices going up and not down
>>592773772 MORE WEEKS
>>59277125I bought this 1st edition PSA8 zard for a lot of money but does it look like the edges of the back are scuffed here? It has authenticity guarantee so if its fake and gay I guess I'm safe
>59277474Take your meds schizo
>>59277712>and so far I still see prices going up and not downDoesn't really work like that.I'm fairly new to this hobby but from what I've seen it does depend on many factors:-the shilling: for example Charizard cards will always be relevant because it's shilled by many across various generations. Same goes for big corpos or someone famous person shilling a Pokemon ,101% possibility the price's will go up.-famous pokemon like eeveelutions , original starters trio ,fug, mew, mewtwo etcetc, will always have a stagnant or a steady increase in prices no matter what-art quality of the cards influence the price. For example, Gengar is not that much of a shilled mon yet it's card on ascended heroes it's way pricey than fucking dragonite or Pikachu as well.(Take perfect order for example nihil zero/perfect order; that box has shitty artworks,even the mega zyagarde one looks not that great,and as a result a Japanese box costs 80 while mega dream -JP equivalent of ascended heroes- costs 120/130)-it does also depending on a asking/offer questions of the market and period of it: for example if people are going through a craze for a "bidoof" event announced at a famous "X" place , full art and alt arts of bidoof cards will see a rising on prices.In my opinion you have 3 solutions:-take the risk and fly to japan/america/whatever place a event is held and where you know you get limited promo cards-be humble and accept a card in poor condition without thinking about the monetary value-spend the money for a near mint/mint knowing in the future it could rise in value so you're happy in both ends. You literally cannot ask for a card in excellent condition and pay a normal price. It goes the same with any other object like cars,books,houses etc etc
>>59277633>Complete bullshit or fads would literally never happen.it was more or less meant for good things happening, good things never happen because people just. Bad things happen all the time because retarded people just.
>>59277657They also upped the pull difficulties, so its even out. Outside of some bs like gold cards, we used to be able to pull shit like 1 SIR per booster box.
>>59277782>>-be humble and accept a card in poor condition without thinking about the monetary valuewhat if tere's no lower condition card, some cards on cardmarket are Near Mint or Mint and I can't go lower because there simple aren't any lower quality cards which leaves me with nigger tier price and nothing else
>>59277377Disagree, a lot of those actually performed within expectations. Even Beanie Babies have some rare event stuff that goes for a lot. Most aren't worth shit? Yeah and most bulk cards are barely worth what they are printed on, just as they should be. PSA10 Ryme is still below the grading cost of the card, last I checked. There is no bubble, just supply shortage and scalping on the boxes. The only big collecting fail in history was stamps. Stamps were a meme because there is literally too fucking many to make a healthy market. What is the market cap of stamps? How many countries have stamps in different sizes? If you see a stamp with the royal seal of Wakanda and a black king, how would you recognise it's not real? Keep in mind it could be from the Black Panther release, a movie commemoration stamp. You have to do literal research to figure out if a stamp is even fucking real. Then the printing press died with computahs further consigning them to oblivion. Yes, there is 40000 PSA10 of some shitmon out there but that's not even a bad thing, we have numbers, we have valuations. We have worthless bulk and actual chase cards. We can put a decent price on it.
>>59277455None of that shit matters for the card market dude. For the broader relevance of Pokemon as a Sanrio-tier Mascot Franchise, yes, and even for the games, yes it will always get people checking them out as long as Nintendo systems continue to sell.For the card market, there are only three factors: nostalgia, speculation, and current fan collectors. The first group will only buy insofar as their nostalgia takes them; with product being scalped and unobtainable, this group shinks exponentially. Also with the general decline in Pokemon popularity 2003-2013, fewer kids in general were getting cards so that decade of sets produces less potential buyers than things like WOTC. That said, it basically aligns with print quantity.The second group are the bag holders who already have a market in which they incestuously sell to each other over and over with little product reaching the hands of real consumers. That has the cratering effect on the hobby that was already described. The third, are men like us for the most part. People who are aware and online enough to know about the scalping hellscape and refusing to partake in it at all. Again, that's the cratering effect. Plenty of longtime fans, like myself, have waited their entire lives to be able to complete certain collection goals, and are more than willing to wait another life over to do so at a normal price. Why do you think people in this group were the main buyers of cards in the cheapo days of the 2010s? Because we care and we waited and we bought when it made sense to do so. Unaffected by fomo through pure logic, this group eventually entirely stops feeding in.The 4th group is a mix a of 1 and 3, the nostalgic rich sois. Flighty and inconsistent in their wants they hardly count as a true market and are just following trends. Unlike true nostalgic people that emerge every day and stop collecting when satisfied.>>59277667These Jews still won't hire me, likely that they only want to employ illegals.
>>59277852You're spot on but you neglected that there is a fuckton of unopened product as pack prices continue to rise and scalpers sit on massive amounts of inventory. Those PSA 10 cards are worth a lot, and will probably forever rise in price, because they are basically capped on amount left forever.With production increases and new grails that people can chase for at or near retail, I doubt even out of print boxes will sell at anywhere near their current value, causing more to be opened, and more of the grails of those sets popping up.
>>59277782>>59277813Low condition settling is foolishness. It's a form of FOMO. "I need this card right no matter what, even though I can't justify the price!" It used to be one thing to accept LP or even MP over near mint when cards were cheap and people didn't want to get fucked by overselling the condition, but that's not happening anymore. People routinely list trashed cards as LP, and they get away with it because of the sois and poor people settling. As an aside, I'm poor too and will accept flaws on old cards that others may not... Edge wear, holo scratches, etc. but I'm comfortable in doing that. Buying something that's clearly damaged for "only" $100 is insane, if you do want the card and need it "now", just save up for it. All that does is feed into market inflation.
Funny how this shit is already so expensive then some people make it a lot more expensive by buying cards in plastic shells that have a number on them decided by a third party company
The only actually wallet-breaking expensive jigglypuff card.
>>59277976Better to have a number on it than a crease.
GIRATINA BROSWE CAN'T STOP WINNING!!!
>>59277925>People routinely list trashed cards as LPActually happening, seen someone list picrel as "lightly played" last week
>>59278190When they say "LP" or "MP", I expect a few rough edges, not that the card went through a few damn washing machines in its life.
>>59278190NM-MT 8
everything is cartoonishly expensive now, what HASN'T gone up in price?
>>59278274idk, I'm getting cute and cheap stuff like picrel while waiting for the terastal umbreon to go down but so far it's only going up... it's the only one terastal eeveelution I have left to finish that set
>had the option to buy a lot more crown zenith boxes back then>didn't>now they are 3 times as muchI'm retarded
>still buying physical
Still posting this for your viewing pleasure
>>59278400you can still buy Phantasmal Flames or Ascended Heroes ones anon.see you 5 years later if you think AH is expensive...
New addition to my binder
>>59278484Cool card
>>59277578Nothing is more demoralizing then standing in a brand new card shop that just opened less then a month ago and in the less then 10 minutes you’re in there 2 separate people walked in and bought first partner boxes that they were selling for 60, a 17 dollar box for 60… were fucking cooked.
I wanted to start collecting Mini-Tin Displays, does anyone know what set this is going to be? It releases next month.
>>59278177>The shitty English copyLolLmao
>>59279005Holy soul
>>59278421Base set is kinda ugly desu
>>59278748I just talked to the guy who works at the local card shop and apparently the box shot up 10 bucks because everyone just noticed there is a pikachu in the woods on the bulbasaur card.I also bought a relicanth.
>>59279371best card itt
>>59279446I object.
>>59279446This is the best.
>>59277578It's actually got nothing to do with the scalpers, they're a visible symptom but not the cause. The real cause is the perception of cards as an investment vehicle, which is why people are desperate to buy at msrp and why they hold onto sealed en masse. At some point the continuously increasing supply will surpass that, and most products will be easily available for a new set at msrp - which may then cause a knee-jerk reaction of the "investor" sort to try and get rid of the less desirable items they've been holding. The snowball then starts rolling and it's a race to the bottom for first sealed and then cards, where the "real" collectors aren't willing to buy so much so fast at any price.It might not happen for a while with the whole culture of "diamond hands", but considering the percentage of produced sealed product that sits unopened in recent sets is far beyond what was ever seen in the pre-modern era, it's kind of inevitable to eventually happen. Too much of the price is pumped by speculation, price manipulation, and "bigger sucker theory" to last forever.
>>59279508I'd like to understand your opinion of Perfect Order. Clearly it had zero demand for the first few weeks of its launch and then supply suddenly dried up and things returned to business as usual.
>>59279517It simply wasn't a high demand set - nobody gives two shits about Zygarde, and Clefable + Meowth are B tier favorites at best - but they still can't outpace demand. Until the new printing facility comes online I doubt they'll get it quite right, but continuous small sets is helping a bit (more copies of a given card per pack/box/case) and depressed demand from players ("bad set") also helps a little. Could be accidental, but TPC has decades and a couple boom-burst cycles of experience. Ultimately, TPC can't want to suppress demand; in a perfect world they'd be selling enough that there's no profit in quick turnaround scalping so they don't lose profit by selling below clearing price, but I'd be shocked if they don't have some smart people sweating bullets on how to keep "organic" growth happening (put cards into hands of families, turn new customers into long time fans and collectors) without shooting the golden goose and popping the bubble entirely. The worst case for them is that they get stuck with product they can't move, while the secondary market erodes brand confidence while eating up the casual demand (e.g. Packs end up resold from distributors to discount outlets, which happened back in OG Gym Heroes and Base2 after they overprinted as response to "pokemania") With the new facility, I'd expect them to increase the volume and variety of "low value holds" that are just a number of packs or a cheap promo, and keeping steady the number printed for items like premium collections. That'd give them the opportunity to sell a lot more packs, and keep pack market price close enough to msrp that random buyers can get their fill and LGSs can move booster boxes, while keeping a product that still appeals to "buy and hold" investor. They might do more waves of those products than right now, particularly ETBs, but that risks burning investor trust, and they'd rather scalpers take some of their profit than be stuck with a bunch of dead stock in warehouses.
>>59279601to this day, there's still pokemon that I don't know the name of or haven't seen lol
>>59277140>>59278401>still being a homosexual
>>59279611Adding new pokemon in DLC remains a mistake.
>years ago cards were dirt cheap >Now cards go from $100 to $3000I fucking hate collecting and the fucking scalpers just ruined ygo too
>>59279601>Everyone hates ugly sounding languages including the Chinese and Koreans themselves >I know let's name our pokemon after ugly sounding Chinese moon runes that'll sell them to the masses
>>59279611I just learned that Lurantis existed yesterday. I have been playing Pokemon since 1998 and this was completely new to me.
>>59279647that only happens to me with gen 9 pokemon since I haven't finished SV yetyou didn't play gen 7 games?
>>59279650Skipped Gen 7 in its entirety because they came out in my mid-20s.Did not get the SWSH Expansion PassHaven't finished SV yet because I don't have the time for video games a nymore.
>>59279655>because they came out in my mid-20s.weird reason but you do younot everyone is a lazy fucker with no job like me after all
Sold $350 of random shit I found in my closet in a gallon bin today. I had zero emotional attachment to it, so I count it as a win. Picked up the cradily and a one dollar card. I had the cradily as a kid, but lost it. Armaldo needed his buddy back in action. Other than that, nothing to see here... Just another oldfag at this point. The reverse holo rayquaza, tyranitar, and mewtwo are absolutely trashed. Really, really wish I kept all of those in shape. I was trying to sell the mewtwo today and kept getting offered anywhere from $8 to $70. A nice one at the show was $200.
finally, a non-boring 'zard I can claim as my own :)
>>59279973Nice armaldo
>>59279973Dragon Frontiers Gatr my beloved...
>>59280038>lazy cgi slopyawn
>>59280091counterpoint, I think it looks neat
>>59278608>Varied texture on an English cardMust be a fake
I am going to sell my collection so I can go on a trip to Las Vegas and lose my virginity to a prostitute at 37 years old
>>59280207You dont need to go to vegas to find a pro. You can probably find some decent ones near you if you dig around a lil bit online.
>>59280091Amateur
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_uzKCcDlKw4
>anti pedo schizo is quiet when the brown skin faggot posts his feet in the threadI'm noticing
>>59280435I just assumed they were the same person, theyre both fat and have disgusting hygiene and theyre both newfags that just happened to find this old decrepit thread around the same time.... yeah we're probably right.
