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Why did Arceus cast flop while Z-A is thriving?

When the MC is vastly more popular than the rest of the cast, you know the cast is just bad.
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>>59278246
PLA was a shitty empty tech demo and half the characters are just fugly transcestors to existing forgettable characters from 20 years ago. We should have gotten a remake with sexxed up Team Galactic and Cynthia instead of "lol cyrus but a granny tranny in a dirty shithole with 1 town"
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>>59278246
za cast isn't doing that much better
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...you're using what as a measure? A porn site?
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>>59278265
image boorus with no AI uploads. A very accurate metric of how popular characters are, if they get plenty of fanart or not.
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>>59278246
Legends Galar cast is going to mog both of them
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Chronic masturbation is not a personality, just like the number of porn images is not an accurate metric of popularity
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>>59278246
Who the FUCK cares, you and >>59278263 should kill yourselves immediately
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Shitposting and OP being the usual disingenuous spamming shitposter aside, the reason is obvious.
The ZA cast is a ton more involved and relevant. Everyone's got their little character arc. There's a EVERYONE IS HERE moment at the end. Every character gets their own little climatic battle against them. The characters interact lot more frequently with (you) and with each other.
It's why Irida, Volo and Adaman are the Arceus big hitters. They're the ones who kind of fit those bills.
Even so the difference is not that great anyway. Only Canari, Gwynn and Corbeau are true big hitters. Everyone else is middle to low end of the road.
In short, ZA was much more character-focus-based. PLA was more "vibes/world" based. It's that simple.
Now you can reply to me with something disingenuous like you always to do everyone, OP.
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>>59278276
Probably, Japan loves that cast and will probably love their ancestors just as much
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>>59278277
Except it is? That ranking seems about right with how popular characters are. Maybe the top 5 spots could differ around a bit but for the most part, it's accurate. Canari is the undisputed queen of Z-A.
It's just how you naturally think of Nemona/Iono/Kieran when thinking about the most popular SV characters, or Marnie/Nessa/Leon when thinking about SS.
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>>59278304
Don't forget Game Freak specifically targeting internet demographics with laser precision (streamerthot simps, the fujos all about corbeau).
There's also the story focus, whole point of L: Z-A was get to know lumiose and its denizens (that a kid on teh gym schlepp wouldn't have bothered looking for or into), while Arceus focused strangely on catching and researching pokémon as part of the "catalogue the pokémon of the Hisui region for the first time" angle.
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>>59278326
what demographic is Jacinthe appealing to?
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>>59278332
toxic yuri enthusiasts
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>>59278310
>Canari is the undisputed queen of Z-A.
Yeah, nah. Mable is and it's hilarious how streamerthot simps act like there's any contest.
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>>59278332
>>59278339
And femdom fags (she does try and dominate the player, but he's not a simp faggot like /vp/).
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>>59278343
>"hey it's what's-her-face from XY that I totally honest to god remembered that existed"
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>>59278246
PLA sold more than ZA
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>>59278332
Jacinthe is probably the most flexible character of Z-A. She's a melting pot of things which is what makes a lot of people seethe because she's not razor sharply focused like Corbeau or Canari

>Toxic yuri
>Ojou-sama
>People who like pink
>Chocolate enthusiasts

Hell her personality is closer to fandom Nemona than what Nemona actually was (I don't have the Jacinthe Tourney screenshot saved)
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>>59278348
Nobody pretends to remember her from XY, everyone prefers the dommy addicted to caffeine design that Z-A gave her. Ironically what you said more applies to Emma who had more of a personality in XY than Z-A
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>>59278353
? it's literally going to outsell it later this year as it will keep selling well until WW releases.
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>>59278363
It's literally selling poorer than L: A ever did, while it ALSO released at a MUCH better time in the normalfag buying calendar for pokémon game sales usually. Whoever wants it, bought it (or robbed it, as it was a switch game and that was cracked to fuck years and years and years ago), it won't have the legs to outsell shit but rehashes and remakes at this rate.
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>>59278310
>Marnie/Nessa/Raihan
Fixed that for you.
No one thinks of that forced shillfailure unless as Raihan, the real popular one, sidepiece.
And even Raihan got dropped like a rock in exchange for Rika.
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>>59278332
>>59278359
Jacinthe pisses me off because on paper she's designed literally for me but I find the execution to be fucking awful and I cannot stand her.
It sucks so much. So close yet so far. You know how much it hurts to know a character could be your all time favorite and yet somehow nothing is clicking the way you like it?
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>>59278362
Mable is a fucking literally who no one cares about no matter if XY or ZA.
Hell, it's even worse in ZA considering she's the not-professor there and yet no one gives a shit anyway. A second chance on the frontline and still a flop.
You're utterly delusional if you genuinely think Mable is popular or relevant in any way shape or form whatsoever within the Pokemon zeitgeist.
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>>59278246
how dod Z-A succeed at all, like genuinely? even Scarlet has more interesting shit to do.
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>>59278394
>Muh Megas
>Muh Real Time Battling
>Muh Z
Bonus: You'll buy it anyway.
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>>59278246
PLA had like 2-3 fuckable characters while ZA's was a a mix of anime tropes blended together.
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I've already forgotten about all of the ZA cast, I at least remember Volo
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>>59278359
>jacinthe is popul-ACK!
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>>59278462
Yeah, everyone's buying the english version, because they're not weeb cunts.
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>>59278389
>she's the not-professor there
Let's be real, none of the professors are ever popular. I think Sycamore and Kukui are the only ones people liked beyond Oak. If ANY of the female professors were popular, it's Sonia, who hardly qualifies
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>>59278573
Not wrong, but again, down to a lack of presentation. The Professors were all old men who sat in ivory towers, with little impact on players' journeys. beyond telling them how well (or badly) they listened to the marketing. Sycamore was the first to have impact outside the collectathon, being involved with Lysandre. Kukui was establishing a League, Sonia was researching the events surrounding the players' gym challenge, Sada/Turo were AI androids, Mable was a named ex-villain under house arrest that was reaching out for any kind of human interaction that wasn't strictly tied to the investigation into the ME crisis or law enforcement/similar checking up on her, leading her to lean further on the player as they first failed to react to her as a known criminal, failed to care about her past transgressions and helped her to the point of earning her trust, thanks and appreciation. I'd expect the next Prof to be the same, someone more involved with the story, but hopefully beyond being the professor of the region (Professor as Champion would be a nice call-back to the planned OG Oak battle in Gen 1).
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>>59278561
>The only place that actually matters aka Japan doesn't give a shit
>Negroid worshipping westoids are the only one buying her
Kekaroooooooo
>>59278573
That's more of a problem of the archetypes than anything else as >>59278591 mentioned.
Just look at how relatively popular Sonia is despite being a worthless character personality and relevance-wise, and like you said, barely even counting as a real Professor.
Imagine how popular she'd be if she was a real relevant and properly competent character instead of the barely a character she is.
>You thought the dumb gyaru bimbo was a dumb gyaru bimbo? WRONG she's actually a very competent and very smart character who's very helpful towards your character and always looking out for them
She would have easily become one of the most popular pokegirls of all time if so.
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>>59278664
>pretending japanese card prices aren't lower for anything that isn't lolishit
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>>59278697
>B-But [cope, schizobabble and deflection]
Your concession? I accept it.
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>it says, while coping, deflecting, seething and babbling like a psychotic retard
Status: Bodied like a bitch
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>>59278275
Then using Danbooru to gauge popularity would mean Hypno is more popular than Blastoise, Arcanine, Magikarp, Gyarados, Slowpoke, Articuno, Scizor, Blaziken, Rayquaza, Metagross, Infernape, Darkrai, Arceus, Zoroark, Aegislash, Zeraora, Cinderace and more. All because porn artists use it for their hypnosis fetish.
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>>59278734
jacinthefags....................
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>>59278246
becuase Arse-us was a lazy diet BoTW made by a pedophile who hates Pokemon.

ZA is even lazier but it at least promoted a bunch of pokemon to shillmon status by giving them super saiyan shill forms, boosting its popularity
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>>59278246
>thriving
how is being goonbait "thriving"?
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>>59278246
>When the MC is vastly more popular than the rest of the cast, you know the cast is just bad.
The MC of Legends Arceus is just Dawn though, so of course she's going to get the most porn
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>>59278246
>When the MC is vastly more popular than the rest of the cast, you know the cast is just bad.
True, it's hilarious how popular Serena is while no one gives two fucks about the XY cast.
Dawn would be the same for gen 4 if Cynthia didn't exist.
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>>59278332
People who like bad things.
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>>59278332
People who enjoy the finer things.
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>>59278830
To be fair this is notable for most Ash girls. Cynthia is the sole exception while Hoenn, Sinnoh AND Kalos huh, coincidentally all Masudaslop have been buried by this franchise
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>>59278734
This doesn't refute my claim about how tcg prices differ between regions. What are you even trying to say here anyways? No one thinks Jacinthe is more popular than Cynthia and your chosen metric makes popularity actively detrimental to fans.
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>>59278246
> When the MC is vastly more popular than the rest of the cast, you know the cast is just bad.
Damn Gen 6 catching strays
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>>59278772
Yes
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>>59278332
mentally ill black girls
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>>59279278
>Only loli cards are pricey in Japan!
>Proceeds to show a hag card being pricey proving your retarded statement wrong
>D-Doesn't count!
>More deflecting
>More schizo babble and trying to move the goalpost and trying to pretend you're being retarded
Keep melting down.
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>>59278246
>Lida that much higher than Taunie
holy flop
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>>59278332
Based Race Mixers
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>>59278246
Gwynns that popular?
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>>59279480
>>Only loli cards are pricey in Japan!
I didn't say this, I said only loli cards are more expensive in Japanese than in English. Both of the cards you used as examples are cheaper than Japanese than in English. I'm sorry that you're illiterate and think spending 200 dollars on a piece of cardboard is a good thing because you need the approval of others to like a video game character.
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>>59278561
if your card is performing worse on a language where waifu cards are more valued, it's a flop.
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>>59279608
>Still melting down after being proven wrong
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>>59278377
LA got cucked by SV, ZA didn't get cucked by anything
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>>59279682
ZA cucked by Pokopia and Pokemon champions. Also ZA killed by its own dlc
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>>59278246
Now post other regions!!
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>>59279707
It just got cucked by Pokopia, Champions died out pretty fast, also yeah the Dlc was the finishing blow to that shit game.
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Arceus characters are just ancestors of people we already knew.
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>59279656
cope
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>>59279707
>ZA killed by its own dlc
At least it had that, LA was sent out to die and wasn't given anything like ZA or Pokopia
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>>59279514
like 30% is latching on to Canari artworks. I don't think she's that popular on her own.
>81 pages on her tag
>54 pages with Canari tag filtered
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>>59279718
It's insane how Hoenn, Sinnoh, Kalos and Galar are carried by May, Dawn, Cynthia, Serena and Marnie...
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>>59278246
>Coomers don't like the Arceus cast
Damn, I love them even more now
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>>59280019
the only porn Arceus has is Dawn getting fucked by wild Pokemon.
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>>59279969
What are the results like with jacinthe/lebanne when you filter out the other?
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>>59280132
Using Danbooru as reference Jacinthe drops from 59 to 37 and Lebanne drops from 37 to 15
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>>59278246
bullshit arezu is that low.
what website is this?
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>>59278246
Because they're just characters who existed already. ZA has new characters, specifically girls.
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>>59278310
>Nessa/Leon
Raihan and Sonia are more popular than either of them
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>>59278246
Legends Arceus released off the back of SwSh which had decent character designs.
Meanwhile ZA came after SV which had nothing but the most unappealing, anti-porn character designs possible with very few exceptions.
ZA seemed like an apology in that regard with things like Canari and Emma walking around in a bodysuit. So artists latched onto ZA after the drought that was SV
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>>59280020
and Volo, surely
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>>59282259
You're joking right? ZA has gotta be the most covered-up cast of bitches ever. No wonder Canari hoards all the porn unlike Iono in SV
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>>59279682
>i wasn't old enough to post online 4 years ago
Anon, L: A's 3 day sales were higher than L: Z-A's 4 day sales (Nintendo shifted release day from Friday to Thursday mid-way through Switch gen), it took shorter to hit 12.5m and ended up selling through SV's release. L: Z-A's gone tits-up after taking longer to hit 12.5m due to launching in October, then being moved away from rapidly despite that (DLC shat out to match the internal roadmap chart, instead of being held over to this year to keep focus and attention on L: Z-A with no actual game news on the horizon)
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>>59278246
PLA only had one good scene. That one at the end with Shinx.
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>>59282203
Sonia isn't that popular
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>>59278246
>using porn as a measurement
>post AI inflation era
it's beyond over
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>>59284086
danbooru doesn't allow AI and it's hardly a porn dump site.
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>>59278332
Me a kween lover
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>>59284081
She isn't but she's more popular than Nessa. Galar girls were fotm outside of Marnie. Raihan is the only character that's right behind her. Protag Pokegirls don't count cause unless you're Juliana, they all are more popular than at least 90% of the cast
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>>59282385
>covered-up
sex appeal is more than just skin young boy
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>>59284185
Sword & Shield's entire female cast was mediocre. Even Marnie.
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>>59279981
Only if you don’t count the actual Pokemon because Gardevoir, Pikachu, and Lucario mog the fuck out of everyone.
Also if Marnie is carrying Galar then the same is to be said about Misty and Kanto, Hilda/Rosa and Unova, Lillie and Alola.
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>>59278332
bluesky troons



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