>releases in a perfect state>those who mattered already moved on>parasitic faggots who couldn't use it on their resume now want to ruin it with heckin new updatesJust fuck off and leave this game as it is.
>>59285885I remember the last few ebin islands feeling a bit barren
ok but did they add trannies dough
>>59285885>thinking Jamie, ChemicalMan, Numel, Camerupt, StarGazaar, or Avidraco mattered
>>59285885>Clover DS when
>>59285885>and david is still updating pokemon evergreen
>>59285885A version without the ironic (and unironic) racism is needed. Otherwise the cultural zeitgeist will continue to pretend Pokemon Clover doesn't exist. The beta released 2017. The official release was 2020. Since then, 1 PokeTuber on the planet acknowledged Clover even exists (HoodlumScrafty). The rest avoid it like its radioactive.9 years of radio silence is proof the Pokemon community is content with ignoring Clover's existence until the end of time.This is obviously unacceptable. Clover is a 10+ year project, and imo the best Pokemon ROM Hack in existence.I am a fan of free speech, and prefer works of art that have edge (because the real world has imperfect people and imperfect things, yet we all persevere), but retarded NPCs would rather bury their heads in the sand, and keep calling the very pattern recognition that kept our species alive for thousands of years "stereotypes" and "muh racismo".Anyway, a PG-13 version of Clover is needed for the faggots to start playing it
>>59287565Poketubers didn't want to cover it because of the anti-cheat, but they blamed MUCH RACISM instead. All of those faggots cheat in their romhack runs.
>>59287575Depends on the approach you choose to take when you play the game. If you're nuzlocking with self-imposed, extreme rules and limitations like hard-coded level caps, grinding for exp loses its weight as a skill measurement metric because of how often you will be restarting. The optimization returns you get in saving time by being efficient do not increase your proficiency at the actual game after a point, nor do they decrease the difficulty of the challenges being posed. (not like grinding had any value to determine player skill in the first place, and rare candies make you miss out on EVs which matter a lot)Coming up and experimenting with strategies to figure out how to get past puzzles in design encounters is ultimately more interesting. It's amazing to do vanilla runs for your first few challenge playthroughs because of the emotional involvement tied to the mons you spend time raising, true. But for harder games and/or many repeated playthroughs, sooner or later the role-playing aspect that gave value to the grind just erodes. It stops being:>"I'm training/raising my pokemon to prepare it for the upcoming tough fight!" and turns into:>"I'm pressing A, waiting for the lengthy animations to finish so I can increase EXP and/or EVs of this shitmon to increase my odds at solving the next puzzle on the way."The emotional investment doesn't totally disappear, but it's less linked with the adventure/role-playing and has more to do with the opportunity cost of losing a good pull, calculations and planning going wrong due to rng, fear of having the run becoming unsalvageable when losing a key mon at the worst time etc.Rare candies are still cheating on pure technical terms, just like speedup, but as opposed to having some OHKO button or godmode, the player isn't losing out on the core experience. The victories in those difficult conditions still feel real and hard-earned, because "patience to level up" wasn't the criterion being judged.>inb4 nuzlockes
>>59285885>parasitic faggots who couldn't use it on their resume now want to ruin it with heckin new updatesweird way to say the lead programmer still wants to work on it a bit more
>>59285885People still care about clover? Isnt it kind of dated?>>59286086There already was one, the one that replaces Misty I think
>>59285885Just like that Roguelike game
>>59287818didnt he work on that other game thats coming out too? monotone or whatever. its not like he isnt doing other things
>>59285885>Clover
>>59287565>Since then, 1 PokeTuber on the planet acknowledged Clover even exists. The rest avoid it like its radioactive.Good. Fucking keep it that way.
Never got the hype for clover. When I play a romhack I want it to feel like I'm playing a new Pokemon game. Turning the whole thing into a meme collection really kills that vibe..
imagine the chaos if the anti-speedup measurement was implemented.
>>59287861i think speedup users are kind of retarded but man they're loud retards. so i understand why that other game that was working on it scrapped it. just not worth the hassle i imagine. if clover sticks with it it'd be really really funny
>>59287565>a PG-13 version of Clover is needed for the faggots to start playing itThey already play it, they just don't want to admit it. Don't forget that the whole RetroAchievements drama started because it was one of the top ten most requested games to receive them (for years), on a site with literally thousands of games. It's already popular, despite what Reddit wants you to believe.
>>59285885>>releases in a perfect stateBattle channel and Polony are literally unfinished.>>59287565>A version without the ironic (and unironic) racism is needed. Otherwise the cultural zeitgeist will continue to pretend Pokemon Clover doesn't existDon't care.
>>59287865>i think speedup users are kind of retarded but man they're loud retardsIt's not some vocal minority, it's literally everyone.
>>59287118David resents Clover because it's what he wishes Evergreen could be lmao. He rages about it in rheg from time to time.
>>59288237i didnt know everyone hated playing pokemon games
>>59288237Not me>>59288252Do you have an example? I've seen david's posting but I've never seen a clover-induced rage from him.
>>59285885If they're hell bent on ruining it with their autism that's fine, I have my backups of the actually good version, and will share those whenever anyone asks.
No speedup no downloadSimple as
>>59287565I don't understand this philosophy at all. By it's inherent nature as a meme hack and not a new pokemon region played straight, Clover is never going to appeal to everybody. You can make the game less offensive but it's never going to have the reach of a more serious hack regardless of how much you sanitize it. How far can you take the idea that you need to make Clover appeal to everyone before it stops being Clover?
>>59288237Yes
>>59288237Except every single person who likes playing on real hardware, lol.
>>59288293All six of you
>>59287565I'm pretty sure a bunch of the Clover devs went on to make Pokemon Monomyth. And that one's not a 4chan meme hack so if you want something that everyone will want to play, there you go I guess.
>>59288274>Do you have an example? I've seen david's posting but I've never seen a clover-induced rage from him.https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58909687/#58931161andhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58909687/#58931161are two examples of him being caught shitting on it. he posts the rage-ier stuff anonymously but once in awhile slips up. anytime you see someone going on an anti-Clover tirade it's most likely him. I think he saw people from 4chan coming together to work on a project together and thought we would do the same for Evergreen, but since we didn't and rejected him, he's bitter and resents it now.
>>59288293yeah ive never understood people who say they NEED speedup. like bro you never needed speedup for the real games>>59287841>Posting >Clover in Clover thread
>>59288297oops accidentally linked the same post twice, here is the other one I meant to link https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/54105161/#54105353(I don't have these saved or anything, literally just plugged in "david clover" in the archives, could probably find worse examples if I put in effort but I can't be fucking bothered)
>>59285885I played Clover once and then didn't keep up with it. How exactly is it being "ruined"
>>59288299>you never needed speedup for the real gamesWhy do you think I started emulating them chucklenuts?
>>59287861I'd do anything to see Jason sperg out about this
>>59288297>>59288300So not only is he butthurt about it, he's also mad because he sucks at it? Also, randomly bringing up jwnutz for no reason? Stay classy David
>>59288237If I find a romhack boring, I just don't play it. Using speedup is just sunk cost fallacy for ADHD zoomies who want to cross games off their checklist.
>>59287861>Guy gets arrested at the end of the game for using Speedup>Speeds up through the text so he doesn't know what happened
>>59285885ruin it how? who are the parasitic faggots? how do we stop them?
>>59288293So people who don't play romhacks, got it.
>>59288476>he doesnt know about flash carts
>>59288476Holy retard.
>>59288488You're a contrarian moron.
>>59288502Not contrarian to make fun of you for not knowing shit.
>>59288502>using flash carts is contrarian nowlearn what words mean before you use them wise guy
>>59285885Ruin how?
>>59285885Played this game the other month and every single joke was either dated now or already dated when it came out. Not sure why anybody would want to keep working on this.
>>59288476I only play romhacks these days, since the new games suck, and I like to do it on real hardware. Flashing is easy and I have a modded backlit GBA that I like to take around town. Don't know why you gotta be so up your ass about the way other people play.
>>59285885GEN Z IS TRYING TO CANCEL CLOVER
>>59288293I have 1000 hours in emerald rogue doing weird runs on every difficulty and I played the game on my 3ds. The fact I can still find ways to enjoy it is mainly thanks to the speedup features it has. It's really amazing and is to me the best singleplayer pokemon game
>>59288529I think by real hardware he meant the cartridge and console, not just emulating on a console that doesnt play the cart naturally. i prefer 3DS emu cause I don't have GBA carts lying around to flash but I do wish I could have a little cart collection for hacks.
cuck game
>>59288609cuck post
>>59288508>>59288514No one does it you deluded samefagging retard. 99% of people play on an emulator that has a speedup option. God you're so pathetic and braindead, kek.
>>59288300I don't know why you're so determined to get Clover fags to attack your boyfriend
>>59288539If emerald rogue had a cart on gba or gameboy micro I'd still be able to play it for 1000 hours. You don't need emulators because it has in-game native speedup options built in. It's designed as a roguelike meant to be repeated instead of a pure pokemon adventure hence why the speedup is there but pretty sure other more traditional romhacks also featured this and no one kvetchedOther jrpgs also have the option so it's not a game design staple. It makes no sense for a good game not to have this feature and I expect clover 2.0 to understand this
Anti-speedup isn't even in the game why are these faggots derailing every thread with this bullshit
>>59287565>stream Clover>get owned by the anticheat trolling you>make swears to the game for erasing your save>get banned by the same swears you've said>blame racism instead
>>59287565>A version without the ironic (and unironic) racism is needed. Otherwise the cultural zeitgeist will continue to pretend Pokemon Clover doesn't exist.They pretend that anything from this site doesn't exist, that's changing the game's humor to appeal no one in the end.
>>59287565>Otherwise the cultural zeitgeist will continue to pretend Pokemon Clover doesn't exist.Ever heard of Ion Fury? (picrel)They did exactly as you said, by changing OGAY to OLAY to appeal the LGBTQ+ """"audience"""".Instead, they've lost all the audience for becoming woke, even after regressing the change back.And the so much consulted LGBTQ+ audience said "I wasn't going to buy it anyway.".Once something doesn't exist to them from the very start, they will always want to keep it that way.
>>59288750>They did exactly as you said, by changing OGAY to OLAY to appeal the LGBTQ+ """"audience"""".the devs did more than that, they've also redirected all the production money to a tranny charity to appeal them that was ironically a fraud too, up to the point of killing the whole dev team
>>59288723Meds
>>59288823Yes, you need meds. It's not in the game. You're getting mad at nothing.
>>59288827Two posts are about speedup itt, there was no derailing at all. Meds
>>59288829Every. Single. Thread.
>>59288840Idk I haven't been in every clover threadI guess it's an important subject to discuss
>>59287565oh actually just kill yourself immediately you cock loving faggot.
>>59287565The fuck are you talking about, Clover is easily one of the most well known and played Pokémon romhacks in existance. It's not that tiny obscure /vp/ project hardly anyone heard about, all the normies know about it and a whole lot of them played it. They just won't openly talk about it because it's obviously a problematic game that can get you canceled in the wrong circles. The situation is fine as is, Pokétubers aren't as important as you think they are.
>>59288723It's planned to be in the next update. Every time you mention how retarded that decision is to a clover dev they sperg out, it's kinda funny
>>59288852>source: my ass
>>59288855Search the archive, I can't be bothered to spoonfeed you. At this point the next Clover update will drop in years anyways
>>59288860I'll search the official updates instead since it's the only thing that can be confirmed. Anything else is hearsay.>singlets/dubus/tripsius number forms>new minigame with blobbos>dex upgrade with wiki-level info>walkman finally getting added>upgraded trainer cards>bag upgrades and item sorting>collab with noon>upgraded summary screens>deemdow/dowster color forms>longer character names>more boxes>four levels of difficulty>graphically updated maps>original designs for all trainer classes>gender differences>custom sprites for sleep status>remember HMs even if removing them>triple battles>new names for some mons with gender differences>movesets updated to gen 9>squirrap/gampster crips forms>new music>new towns>animated sprites>horde battlesWhat do you know, it's not in there.
>>59288855Here's a thread from v where a dev is genuinely defending the decision https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/727197936/#727201338
>>59287565>Otherwise the cultural zeitgeist will continue to pretend Pokemon Clover doesn't exist.and? so what?
>>59288898>six months agoIt might have been considered at one point (the code was originally created for Unbound after all), but unless there is definitive proof of it being in the game, you're getting mad about nothing.
>>59287826>>59288520staying up to doot is a losing battle. to replace certain clovermons would mean to erase internet history/culture. ofc there are shit clovermons that could be replaced but even with a full, fresh dex it would eventually become outdated again
>>59289108pokfusa
>>59289121Exactly, Pokfusa was a shit clovermon that got replaced.
>>59289105>runs past door several times while trying to exitdeep kek
>>59286086That’s a generic trainer class in the game >>59287826>There already was one, the one that replaces Misty I thinkNo she’s just the old Tumblr SJW type of girl. She even dates the neonazi gym leader.
>>59288898>random anonymous post>devEven if true, of course a dev would defend their own decision. The anon they replied to was right.>let people play how they wantIf you can't navigate the map because you never untoggle speedup, that's on you, not the map designer, and they shouldn't need to code in anti-speedup to appease idiot. It will reduce playerbase because we are all used to being able to use speedup during grinding sessions.
>>59285885/pol/ island is not perfect. it felt like you barely did anything
Someone spoonfeed me on this shit. Anti-cheat? Anti-speedup? What?
>>59289236Clover 2.0 will have anti-speedup just like Pokemon Monomyth, see webm rel.Anti-cheats were already present in the game (you go in jail at the end after beating the league if the game detects abusive rare candy usage which is based) but devs will go the extra mile to punish speedup people who use emulator fast-forward (not based)Anti-speedup is a retarded mentality
>>59289272>posts picture of a completely different gameUnbound created the code and never used it. You're fearmongering.
>>59289236Clover sends you to jail and makes you kys, nuking your save, if you beat the champ after cheating for rare candies or some other stuff (by far most commonly it's rare candies).There's also a rumor/possibility that they'll add anti speedup like some other games have.
>>59288898>always the same inane argument about the few retards who play at 10x speed at all times hitting wallsI hope the dev changed his mind since then. Many examples of games have been posted with reasonable takes as to why speedup isn't a bad thing
>>59288849the irrelevant normies with 10 subscribers play itNO PokeTubers play it
>>59289509Good.
>>59289276TBQF it was not fear mongering as Clover was saying they were going to have anti=speedup until walking it back. FYI for most anons it being a 4chan project a lot of Cloverdevs do it for free and stalk the threads to try and play PR for their shit romhack.
>>59289272Putting in what amounts to a joke ending after you finish the game is hilarious. Absolutely based. Stopping the player from playing the game is absolutely bizarre.You can't cheat in a single-player experience.
>>59289512So you admit that you know that it's not going to be in the game and yet you continue to insist that it is.
>>59289272Clover 2.0 is cancelled. They announced it on their Discord.
>>59289509Ah, yes, the one true goal of all video games.Being played by popular Youtubers and streamers.
>>59289532
Anyone checking out the /vp/ixelmon server at least?Comes out friday and you can catch 261 of them
>>59289746Are Spookzilla and Goryanus in?
>>59289753Looks to be likely
>>59289746I'm going to build at least one sheep fucker
>>59289768Then I'll consider itLuv me bone bois
>>59285885HOW DO WE MAKE A ROM HACK?
>>59289795Fuck off CAPSLOCK the adults are talking
>>59285885Of all the things that aged poorly with this hack I think the weed jokes are the worst. Holy fuck they're all so cringy and insufferable. I'm really glad this type of humour died out.
>>59289819I mean, weed and drug jokes are usually "I use X, have a laugh."Is bottom of the barrel humour. Like the zoomers doing "6 - 7" a thing.
>>59289819I like snoop as a gym leader, but besides that I agree.Very topical and aged hard, just like the ebola jokes.
>>59289810get new material ragebait bot
>>59289810Capslock guy is the most obnoxious of the Clover-fags. At least people like Yawn-fag try to hide at least. Capslock guy is like Shaun in that you always know that its him.
How do I get started making a Rom hack?
>>59289641Despite the date, they seem to be serious. Or it's some kind of rrolling the days after. A second screenshot will follow.
>>59290051
>>59290051*trolling
What is clover? I just want to know how to make a rom hack...
>>59289272>Clover 2.0 will have anti-speedup just like Pokemon MonomythExcept Monomyth won't have anti-speedup, the devs have said as much. You've been told this in like 3 rheg threads already. You already won, the devs took your side, why do you keep posting this?
>>59290234Jason is autistic, he doesn't know how to process new information
>>59290234Oh thank god, he scared me for a sec there,
>>59289641What would Erika's team be like if she was a pokemon trainer?
>>59290234Because I want a lot of people to experience the relief I felt when I first saw this screenshot
>Clover
I have no idea what any of this manufactured drama is about. I just want to make my own rom hack with Green in it.
>>59290113>>59290262If you don't care about Clover why are you in a Clover thread, Greenfag? If you want to learn how to romhack go back to rheg.
>>59290255Victreebel, Tangela, Vileplume
>>59290268I did but no one is answering any questions there about getting started and wading through the super overcomplicated discord troon shit like >"wsl --install -d Ubuntu --enable-wsl1"Instead of just letting me install the fucking tool as a zip file like porymap. I am not installing git or any other discordnigger spyware. I just want the tools like Blender where you can just get an installer or zip file and you're done. If I wanted to learn techniques I could just google how to do things and then practice until I find my own workflow. Can't do that with ROM hacks because programmer faggots want to show off and then cry about a lack of interest because everyone is a threat to their ego hiding behind a banhammer and temporary discord servers the short sighted tards think will be around forever.
>>59290270No not that Erika!!!
>>59289272Posted it again award
>>59290234Bro keeps walking into walls and it's giving him brain damage
What does Clover 2.0 entail anyways?
>>59290516See>>59288890
>>59290549>>59288890Confused as to what OP meant by ruining the game then.
>>59288890also>anti-speedup
