I want mobile nooow!

Shit Game

>>59286897
My problem with them is that people aren't just going to be using zapdos, they are going to be using dumb bullshit like lando, urshifu, the tapus, darkrai, and all other kinds of nonsense.

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IM NOT GETTING OUT OF ULTRABALL2 AND THATS FUCKING FINE!!!!!!!! I DONT NEED THE +10 BOX SLOTS ANYWAYS!!

>>59286911
I want to suck her gock

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>>59287040
You'll get there, anon. The season is still early.

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>>59286911
That's not Tatora

>>59287020
I wonder if they'll finally let eternal floette into the gacha rotation or just let mobilefags suffer.

this is your daily reminder that archaladon needs banned.

>>59287125
If they put assualt vest in arch will be up there with basc for pure cancer

Just lost my 16 win streak ;_;
Main losing moment was thinking my rotom heat would survive glimmora power gem. I just calced it after, and timid glim was 6% to kill, modest was 56% :(

>>59287040
>>59287051
Seriously. I made it to Master Ball basically accidentally with a joke team that an idiot would use. I had Mega Lopunny, Meowscarada, Kingsgambit, Gallade, Sneasler, and Kleavor. Kleavor was just there to set up a stealth rock he can attack with so maybe Hisuian Samurott would be better, but wouldn't look as cool. Gallade is exclusively there to deal with anyone with an Archaludon. Mega Lopunny was designated dragon killer as long as she didn't miss. Sneasler was there to kill tranny seal and any other fairies. Kingsgambit regularly got swapped out for other stuff, like Mega Delphox or something else stupid I felt like using.

This is not a team that should win matches. But did. If I can do it with this mishmash of low tier retards, you can do it with any of the rental teams of people spamming sleep or burn that put dipshit teams like mine down with no hopes of recovery.

>>59287341
I wouldn't call that a joke comp, anon. It's got high-speed control and a good chunk of priority. Something for ever weather, decent anti-TR options in Gambit and Kleavor, etc. Like the only major issue is that an enemy getting TW seems like it'd fuck you over since you're SOL in terms of bulk, but you have the damage and type advantage to scare away Whimsi's.

>>59287352
Oh should mention this is singles. Doubles is too autistic and even more luck based for me to give even half a shit about. I've never seen a Whimsicott in singles.

>>59287356
Oh, then yeah it's probably way better in singles at that. Speed and high raw damage matter the most in that format.

Can any Pokemon learn both Wide Guard and a Rage Powder-esque move?

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>>59287341
>Meowscarada
grass cat never loses

>>59287364
No.

>>59287364
The only pokemon in existence that do are mr mime (follow me) and parasect (rage powder).

>>59287369
For the most part. Some things outspeed it. Since focus sash is being used for my Kleavor so it can set up and put Charizard down to 50% just from swapping in, I gave a King's Rock to her instead. Doesn't work usually, but funny when it does, plus I can't think of anything better to give her since she'll usually die in one shot from most things anyway.

the archaladon sableye team is literally unbeatable and is more proof the bridge needs banned

>>59287399
But I beat them all the time, just by having Taunt and another weather

>>59287399
Anons's have claimed a stratergy is "unbeatable" like five different times and each one has been perfectly counterable.

>>59287405
No you dont

>>59287409
Prove it. Post a video of you beating that team.

>>59287411
I don't even know what the team is, but I guarantee you it's not unbeatable.

>>59287417
That's a nice quick concession you made there. Thanks.

>>59287409
Mega Scovillain or anything fast enough to put you to sleep first. In singles. Unbeatable.

>>59287399
Thanks for the tip, time to enjoy a 100% win rate.

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>>59287411
>go to recent tournaments page
>control F Sableye
>record 7-3
woah

>>59287451
>go to place that isn't representative of the game
>it isn't representative of the game
woah

>>59287451
Is that fucking all? Really? I'm pretty sure I beat this team like two days ago with Mega-Amp.

Is the hype dead?

>>59287384
Almost every cat ive seen is scarf to the point I just always assume it

>>59287341
>Mega Lop
>Kingambit
>Meowscarada
>Stealth Rocks (Kleavor)
>Singles

>"Joke team"

Anon, please...

>>59287078
Better question is whether if they will make legendaries accessible to f2p players. I don't think they will put them into the scout, for example

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>>59286398
Thats pretty funny. Wonder whats the point of having dedicated bots farming vp with turbo controllers though. VP is kind of dogshit and whether i have 1k or 1million is kind of moot when there is nothing worth spending it on

>>59287485
Kleavor and stealth rocks are literally just for Charizard 'cause I was seeing it so often, Kingambit's been replaced for awhile now. Point is, the team is just fast dumb muscle, Volcarona shuts most of it down. I've started seeing one on every team and have to think of a rock thrower I don't hate to add just to deal with them. I tend not to add anything I particularly hate the look of onto my team, since again, I'm no tryhard. I'm just using stupid shit I like and hitting Y in training to give it stats and moves I also don't hate.

Except for High Jump Kick on Mega Lop, presumably because I hate myself and want to throw a match or two randomly if I decide to kick the wall and kill myself instead.

>>59287489
id argue they will.
Shit on the game all people want, if the main aim is accessibility, then this game does achieve its goals.
Yes some mons will be locked (see Mega Delphox and floette), but I just cant see a legendary regulation with people just outright unable to play, or just playing zero legendaries which kind of defeats the purpose of the regulation

>>59287497
I do wonder if the 4 unlockables will be available to everyone else when M-B starts but I am well aware those require you to actually grind for in Z-A

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>people here say they cant get to master ball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiF1m-0c5_I

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>>59287516
I tried playing a meta team and I felt immense dissatisfaction and depression, I'd rather be an ultraball anti-metafag than a masterball metafag

>>59287516
its basically impossible to not get master ball so long as you keep playing due to how progression works in pokeball-ultraball, some people just aren't willing to ladder that much.

will the meta ever stop changing every week?

>>59287525
>win, rise 1
>lose, drop 1
>win, rise 1
>lose, drop 1
how

i lead h zoroark with focus blast purely to kill arch
its works sometimes

>>59287541
Because sometimes even with a 50% win rate you'll get a win streak and there's a bonus for that while there's no malus for a loss streak.

>>59287541
Because that's not how coin flips work. You will get variance strings eventually, and the game stops you from going on negative variance streaks until master.

>>59287558
>>59287559
I guess you're right and I'm just not playing enough, I get demotivated and stop for the day after 2 losses

>>59287536
maybe, but it will keep changing until the end of the regulation. metas always change, heck even stuff like GSC OU keeps changing years after
>https://youtu.be/3vqsCI5wdkc?si=_7C91xTVM8XK2nxn
the only limit is how many people care to play it. With all eyes on champions, expect it to always change.
That aside, why care about meta? just play whatever meme team you want and you will reach masters

>>59287562
let me guess, you lost and the demotivation comes from because you just dont know exactly why you lost other than
>if only X did/didnt happen

>>59287541
you can't drop once you get to the next rank and only need like 2-3 wins to get to the next rank after that. even shit teams can get by eventually, with a lucky win streak. plus the amount of people in ultraball who just flowchart everything makes trying to counter the obvious play each turn a pretty solid strategy for laddering.

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>>59287568
Most of my losses come from me picking the wrong pokemon to lead with because wihout move preview its a guessing game at the start and I have very bad anxiety
>>59287569
>only need like 2-3 wins to get to the next rank after that.
thats only if you got to the rank above last season, I need like 6 wins in a row to get out of ultraball2 and after that I'll have to grind Ultraball1, just not feasible for an anti-metafag unless I make champions the only game I play every day and dont work whatsoever

was thinking of playing something a bit more out-there in this months challenge. Maybe psychic terrain expanding force spam or something.

>>59287536
What’s the meta now

God fucking Christ, I was 1 win away from Masterball and I fucking went on a losing streak damn near to the bottom of U2, fuck me man.

>>59287692
Not much but Non-mega Glimmora is getting glow up as a lead since it can take on multiple pokemon with its coverage (floette, aerodatcyl, charizard and sneasler to a lesser extent). Being Rock also means it's not taking much damage from Fake Out

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>>59287692

>>59287775
>no sneasler
wdym bwo? thats a soulful off meta team right there

>double battle
>my mega venusaur and milotic vs opponent torkoal and pokemon I can't remember
>sun is up, no other field conditions or stat changes to anybody
>torkoal evades my venusaur's earth power twice
can somebody please explain how that fucker avoided my 100 percent accuracy move. im malding and I havent played this game competitively since 4th gen

>>59287830
The only explanation is Bright Powder or your Venusaur got its Accuracy debuffed somehow

>the big arch wins the 3v1 TWICE in the same day
ya just gotta love the bridge, ya just gotta!

ICYMI: Pokemon Master Ball League had a tournament in Thailand.
Day 1
https://www.youtube.com/live/DeuycvYwqLQ
Day 2
https://www.youtube.com/live/gTAiyl-O7wE

Why on earth is Indianapolis the first western in-person tournament using Champions?

>>59287868
Honestly! It's their fault for not playing a pokemon with Aura Sphere or Scorching Sand.

>>59287879
why are sharpedo and zygarde in the thumbnail lol theyre not in champions

>>59287887
sharpedo is in champions, its just that shit that you never see it

>>59287887
Sharpedo is in

>>59287890
>>59287891
thats fucked up...

I once played a sashed sharpedo in singles that has Destiny Bond to go 2-1

Pedo bros, its over...

>>59287692
whimsicott glimmora
>>59287775
thats last weeks meta, its already moved on from this

I lost twice and almost three times in Ultra. Just depressing and pathetic.

>>59287998
We all have our bad days, anon.

>>59287998
Try to learn from your losses. Like after getting bushwhacked by Sableye, I make sure it's getting focused every single time

>opponent sends out Dragapult
>I send out wash Rotom
>he uses shadow ball
>I use volt switch
>*misses*
>volt switch has 100% accuracy btw and there were 0 stat changes in play
>try again on the next turn after he uses shadow ball again
>works!
>swap to my Mimikyu
>he uses shadow ball a third time
>I go for the Play Rough
>*misses*
>Play Rough has a 9/10 chance to hit your opponent btw, I was lucky enough to get the 1/10 miss after having just missed an unmissable attack two turns ago
>forfeit match
That’s enough Champions for me this month.

>>59288058
Brightpowder is a helluva drug.

>>59288058
bright powder and quick claw flat out shouldnt be in the game, they're fine in singleplayer but in multiplayer its just adding RNG bullshit

>>59288058
I missed 2 Ceaseless Edges in a row yesterday and immediately ragequitted

Last night tested out Lycanroc, Araquanid and Mega Chimecho, loved em all

Tonight I'm testing out Tsareena, Maushold, and Mega Chandelure, so far lovin em all

If you can't have fun with this game, competitive mons ain't for you. Simple as

>>59287998
Should have lost 5 times in a row to trigger the forced 50% 5 winstreak for free masterball.

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Just gave someone's Gliscor their Poison Heal just to see him in his former glory. Getting raped rn and loving it. Miss this fuckin guy.

>>59288081
I missed 2 Hyper Beams while opponent's Dragonite hit all 5 Fire Blast and had 100% Burn.

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>>59288098
>Permanently recruited a Gliscor thinking I could deal with no Toxic Orb as long as I had Roost
>Scrolling down its move list and realizing it lost Roost
Gliscor feels like the mon that got screwed over the hardest getting into Masters.

>>59288119
>Masters
Champions. I need more sleep.

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>>59288098
>>59288119
I miss him so bad, bros.....

>>59288119
its really weird they even included several guts pokemon and gliscor and didn't add toxic or flame orb

>>59288119
>Gliscor feels like the mon that got screwed over the hardest
Nothing comes close to what they did to Garganacl.

>>59288128
I only played gens 1-8, what did they do to Garganacl? My buddy loves playing him and wishes he was better

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>>59288119
I'm starting to hate the movepool cull far more than Dexit
Vikavolt/Gourgeist/Gliscor lost Roost/Synthesis, a bunch of physical Normal types lost their best STAB, almost everything not Poison-Type lost Toxic for better or for worse, no more Pursuit, Kang losing PuP
Shit just goes on the longer I think about it

>>59287916
Is Sharpedonite in this game? I thought that was another Mawile/Sableye situation

>>59288162
Yes it is.

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>>59288160
Its signature move got hit

>>59288226
they really couldn't be bothered to buff crabhammer to 100 accuracy?

>>59288226
they really should just remove the SA reduction on moonblast entirely.
A fully accurate, high BP move dont need more things, but of course GF's baby needs the buff.
First Impression and Trop Kick buffs already shows changes in the mons using it.
What the heck is a psyshield bash?
>signature move of wyrdeer
Do people just not like wyrdeer or something?

>>59288233
>fully accurate, high BP move dont need more things, but of course GF's baby needs the buff.
Thunderbolt, icebeam and flamethrower have been around since gen 1.

>>59288226
That's it? That doesn't seem so bad. I watch him regularly stall out pretty meta teams all the time

>>59288238
okay fine touche.
This could trespass into type balancing which i really dont wanna go into, but ill just say that fairy is the premium offensive type already.

>>59288233
wyrdeer is just not good enough, intimidate is nice but its not bulky enough be threatening with a boost from a bash. also its coverage is better on the special side anyways.

>>59288239
It's a 50% damage nerf. That is probably the single biggest nerf a specific mon has ever gotten in the series. It completely relies on Salt Cure to do anything.

>>59288233
>Do people just not like wyrdeer or something?
Farigiraf does everything Wyrdeer does but better. It's only unique gimmick is using Skill Swap Intimidate.

>go on showdown to see what people are playing, maybe get some ideas they are cooking up
>shuca berry special ttar next to mega steelix
>he wins against meta slop
what the fuck am i watching

>watch youtuber champions vid
>always skips right to the next match after battle is over so you can't see elo or what rank he is.
Very suspicious.

>>59288342
the auspicious jimothy cool does not do this

>>59288342
There are SO MANY fraudulent Champions poketubers.

Worst one I ever saw was a dude reviewing a team that hit 1# in singles. He then proceeds to bring the team into doubles because he legit thought it was a doubles team despite having hazards and not a single protect.

>>59288119
Gliscor works as a sand team tailwind guy. It gets loads of support moves and with bright powder sand veil he sometimes justs lives forever to throw out earthquakes

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>regional Pokemon share the same achievement counter with the original since they have the same name
this feels wrong

>>59288376
As stupid as it is, it does make sense considering the rules game freak established. Regionals and the original take up the same species slot under species closure so it make sense they share an achievement counter

>>59288398
its totally bullshit not gonna lie, it hurts not being able to make a team with 5 rotoms

>>59288162
Sablenite is in the game anon, it's just not very good.

>>59288457
I remember it was pretty good in singles back in XY at least

>>59288467
Any stallmon was good in singles because smogon banned every viable wallbreaker.

>>59288467
>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mega-sableye-sablenite-is-now-banned-from-national-dex-uu.3685966/
im reading on it and it does seem like a bretty good pick all around in singles. Though the fact that most BSS dont even bother with hazards means M-Sableye doesnt really have a niche here

>>59288468
>Gen 6 Meta
>Meg Mom is glazed to hell and back by Smogon chuds
>ban Mega Blaziken
>not because of Baton Pass cheese shit, but because it can threaten Mega Mom
>ban Mega Gengar
>not because of some broken ass Perish Song shit, but because it can threaten Mega Mom
>ban Mega Lucario
>not because of some broken ass Nasty Plot/Swords Dance sweeps, but because it can threaten Mega Mom
>finally ban Mega Mom because it's the only thing that threatens Lando's ugly mug

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>>59288484
like it's clear the smogdevs have an insane love for landorus, like it's supposed to be their litmus test for if a pokemon is too powerful.
..and it STILL got BTFO.

>>59288470
hazards are very common in BSS, been running a mega sableye in singles with wisp, recover, and metal burst, its a pretty solid anti-lead against a bunch of other pokemon.

>>59288492
I remember playing Battle Spot Singles back in XY and barely saw any hazards
It's not uncommon to see SR in Champions Singles but since it's only 3v3 I've had several games that were lost because me or my opponent wasted the first crucial turn setting up hazards that never did much in the end when attacking could've actually changed the outcome

>>59288495
a lot of people mindlessly throw out hazards in BSS without thinking but good players will assess whether or not they are useful. whether against teams that want to pivot a lot or against teams you want to break sashes against so your guy in the back can sweep are good reasons to run hazards. Its generally a good thing to have a hazard lead and any team that doesn't usually runs an anti-lead.

>>59288468
>>59288484
>>59288489
Issue with Smogon bans has always been how fast they pull the trigger. Literally ANYTHING shows up as a new threat and it gets banned the next day. They never give the playerbase time to find counters. Even their 6v6 singles version of Champions, a format that has only been out for a month, already has like 6+ bans.

>>59288501
God I fucking wish this were true

https://strawpoll.com/BDyNzpdxkyR

What's better, singles or doubles

There IS a right answer

>>59288554
Bludgeon the one asshole who said Singles to death.

>>59288554
I only play singles but I like the idea of doubles allowing for different combos and roles that aren't possible in singles. I'm filtered by all the flinch hax, Protect and Fake Out shit though

>>59288489
I hate how hedious it's design is and hate how insanely flexible it is.
You assume it's Scarfed? Rocky Helmet.
Assume it has Rocky Helmet? Assault Vest.
Assume it has Assault Vest? Banded.
Same thing is applicable to it's investments too.
I don't think a single Pokemon in the history of the game has ever been THIS flexible.

>>59288501
This only ever happens with anyone that isn't Landorus, or their favorite new shiny toy of the generation.

>>59288558
I wouldn't even say I'm "filtered" by it, but exactly that. Every Pokemon needs protect and fake out and stalling shit is so boring. I don't have the autism for Pokemon games and mostly just like the main games and fucking about with friends or against the AI. The closest I got to ranked shit before Champions was just Battle Towers in the games against the AI. I don't have every Pokemon's speed and defenses memorized, I just assume my cat and rabbit are faster than most things I usually see, as long as they haven't buffed their speed. I don't care enough to figure out if whatever's gonna swap out or protect or flinch both of my guys, or fake out, or any other boring faggotry doubles has to deal with. I just wanna fuck about for like 1-5 matches a day, not make a lifestyle out of it like most of your average autists will do.

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Man, I miss my mole, but not as much as I miss Chuchito.

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>>59288576
Anyways, I'm not autistic, so doing the calcs just seems a bit tedious, but I don't know where I couls improve.

Whats a good ladder team? I have run this
M aero
Whimsicoth
Sneasler
Ditto
& two just random mons, usually incineroar plus some other

>>59288018
I learned that Perish Song Gengar is a faggot strategy

>>59288576
Gardevoir is very good, but I feel like it often wants another coverage move. I'd run telepathy for situations where you want to have it in alongside chomp eq, but that's a personal thing, sometimes trace is better.

How the fuck am I supposed to know what autistic stat point distribution everyone is using, game has no resources to test builds and no way to review opponent matches. Everything feels like a coin flip.

>>59288627
You make educated guesses based on their team composition and the meta to improve your odds.

>>59288631
I just make everything I care about being fast max speed and assume it will outspeed my opponent's stuff because they will be doing some hp creeping nonsense.

>>59288643
I occasionally allocate a small amount of speed on my slower Pokemon if it can get me to outspeed other "slow" Pokemon within the range that have neutral nature and no investment, like 8 speed on Meganium so it has 108, just above neutral 2 speed Archaludon at 107

>>59288566
>I don't have every Pokemon's speed and defenses memorized
Given the amount of “hinting” that the game already provides I’m kind of surprised they haven’t included any kind of visible value ranges for things. Realistically people are live calcing and checking speed tiers and shit anyway, just show it to the user. Let me see a little overview where I can see the min and max possible values for every stat for every enemy mon on the field, and once a turn plays out, chop down that range’s top/bottom based on whether or not their mons outspeed my own whose speed stats I know. Same for damage rolls, show me the min damage roll for max bulk investment and max damage roll for no bulk investment and after the move connects, chop the range down. Otherwise you’re basically just rewarding people playing with a damage calculator open on a second monitor

Get to master ball a second time and they play a new cutscene with the wrestler guy, do you think they can add some single player mode like a battle tower to fight him at the end? i supposed something like that would have been leaked long ago

Why the fuck does the giraffe not learn Taunt? Nothing worthwhile learns Taunt

>>59288779
https://op.gg/pokemon-champions/moves/taunt
Many good mons do actually learn taunt, they just don't bother to make room for it in their four moveslots.

>>59288784
How do you Taunt a Gengar, just always run mega Aero or Prankster?

>>59288792
https://www.serebii.net/attackdex-champions/throatchop.shtml
You could also try Throat Chop but nothing here outspeeds without Scarf

>>59288792
Is getting a slow taunt off even that bad? If they perish song turn 1 and you taunt, then they can't stall or disable and you can just try to kill gar. If they substitute first, then taunt goes through and again you just try to kill gar. If they protect and try to disable that might be annoying, but at that point I think you again just try to kill it turn 2.

>>59288627
You can see what the most prevelant stat spreads are for each pokemon.
Most of them just max whatever stat is useful for them.

>>59288853
I want to be able to filter on what stat distribution is like in Master Ball tier only. I assume the percentages are skewed by people using whatever that’s no ideal

>miss a 95% accurate move turn 1
>opponent hits a 30% accurate move turn 1
>automatic loss with zero skill involved

>>59288233
Wyrdeer has a really bad stat distribution and a somewhat redundant typing when Orangura and Farigiraf both have very good and particular niches while Wyrdeer does not.

>>59288501
This just isn't true. Dawg, people were running fucking SEISMITOAD for a month just for fucking Dracovish.

>>59288977
>Pokemon is strong
>people adjust their teams to adapt
>this is bad for some reason

>>59289007
There's a difference between adapting and being forced to use a shitmon for this one purpose that makes your team much worse against literally every team that doesn't have Dracovish on it.

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I figured out a neat little trick. If you want to find Singles battle streams on Twitch, just set the language to Japanese. Lots of Japanese streamers only play Singles.

>>59289029
Youtube is also better for Japanese streams, Twitch isn't as big there

>>59287021
lol true

>>59289029
Thank you White-Haired Hazama

Fucking hate this game. There’s no way to stop every type of team, you build for one and then only get matches with the other. Oh good everyone uses giraffe now. Fucking awful. Ultra Ball is horseshit this season.

And then there are no resources beyond online autism calculators or this fucking thread.

>>59289063
>And then there are no resources
There are lots of Youtubers going into in-depth breakdowns of high ranked teams and such.

>>59289063
>horseshit
giraffeshit*

>>59288098
>>59288119
>try to pair him with Glimmar
>Glimmar use Sludge Wave
>hits everyone
>including Gliscor
When it connects, it feels so good. Sadly, it's not worth the trouble.

Maybe this season wouldn’t be so mind numbing frustrating if the ranch wasn’t terrible RNG.

Haven’t seen a Primarina since launch. Not that it would matter.

>>59289093
Milo is better anyways

Is Sableye or Maushold a better support for Charizard Y?

>>59289216
Probably Sableye. Quash would be useful against fast Rock Slide users and Follow Me is worthless against spread moves.

That Fuckin' Giraffe.

>Slurpuff lost Belly Drum
what a joke
why even bother adding him here then

>>59289221
I think biggest trouble is the rock users that Zard hates won't be KO'd by even an Overheat.
You can ev to guarantee survive a Chomp rock Slide + drill's rock slide, or even have a high chance to survive Adamant 32Atk Sneasler rock tomb, but any stab boosted rock move is going to clobber it.
I would think wide guard support is Zard's better friend if you want to sit in front of rock slide pressure.

>>59289296
*although friend guard on a bulky Zard would survive jolly Aero's rock slide, so that's considerable if you're trading correctly.

>>59289296
Isn't that why people run solar beam and weatherball + heat wave? Still can't KO everything, but can at least get one but you're gonna get outsped by all the rock spammers that rape you

Why did they make it so rain has favourable matchups into every other weather type?

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>>59289327
If the sun is up, Solar Beam is similar in damage over Weather Ball, Overheat actually does more damage than Solar Beam.
desu I seldom find myself actually clicking solar beam except as a 100% acc move to close out a game. It's not like it doesn't have utility, into water matchups like Blastoise it's really important.
I'm thinking like vs Aero or Chomp in the scenario you clicked quash.

>>59289368
Water is the original nepo baby type.

>>59286911
grandma

>>59289348
Water's type matchups are insanely good, so it just wound up that way. They made freeze dry because they are aware of that but didn't want to do anything big about it.

>>59289267
they turn him into a sticky web lead instead

>>59288617
I threw in Aura Sphere over Trick Room since Sinistcha has it already.

>>59289013
If a Pokemon is good against a meta threat, it's not a shitmon. But also, what you're describing is the problem with having to bring your entire team to every game. In 3v3 and 4v4 you can put something like Seismatoad on your team and only bring it to the matches that it needs to be. If Pokemon has to come to every game, then it needs general purpose utility to be "good."

>>59289715
>If a Pokemon is good against a meta threat, it's not a shitmon.
No. If a Pokemon is ONLY good against a single, specific threat and is bad in every other situation, it's a shitmon. Electivire is really good against, I dunno, fucking Empoleon or whatever in Gen 4, as an example. The fact he's good in this single match-up, but garbage in the other 99% of cases does not mean he's not a shitmon. Niches do not equal a mon being good in general, it's just that, a niche. The second Dracovish was banned, Seismitoad cratered to RU because he's just a bad Pokemon by the standards of power in the tier.

Would someone kindly give a retard a mega Beedrill team that at least sort of works?
>150 attack
>adaptability
>still doesn't do any damage
I don't understand what I am doing wrong. I've tried like twenty different teams. Can't escape Ultra ball this season, but I really don't care about laddering I just want to get Beedrill professor without hanging myself. It just feels like there isn't any way to make it work.

>>59289745
Doubles by the way, Fell stinger set works in singles but singles is a meme format. I just want to use my favorite...

>let's test out a team on showdown
>get hit my poison jab from a garchomp
oh that's literally just hackers then, got it lol.

>>59289760
What do you mean? Poison Jab isn't unheard of on Garchomp since it can catch Fairies off-guard on the switch-in.

>>59289764
>that thing that never happens actually happens all the time bro i swear
kek

>>59289745
It's not your fault, the thing is made of paper and with really bad unfavorable matchups. I'd just put together a metaslop team and only bring it in to fuck over floette or something (still gets shit on)
>>59289760
It's the new garchomp adjustment right now. Cybertron also just posted a team that used it today so expect to see it even more.

>>59289774
???

>>59289776
hang yourself

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>>59289779
19% usage in singles.

>>59289793
>here's evidence that you were right
>anyway it means I'm right
????

>>59289774
This was a tech back in gen6. Same with running Steel Wing/Iron Head.
>Whims
>Sylveon
>Floette
This shit is going to switch in on Chomp.

>>59289775
Suffering it is, then. I saw a team full of metaslop that ran Mega Bee but it felt like ass to play and Tardzard was still complete anus to run into even with Rain Dance Sableye.

>>59289745
Scovillain with Rage Powder is probably a decent partner. Any mon that can redirect and tank can help. But I can't make miracles.

>>59289760
That's not that uncommon.
Poison is better complementary coverage to Ground than Steel is, and Garchomp as a whole is a pokemon that very often has leftover move slots to put more niche and situational moves on it.
Skill issue on your part. If you see a Garchomp, you cannot realistically predict its entire moveset, so need to account for possibilities like this. Sometimes you have no choice and need to take the gamble, but this is literally why people run Garchomp. It's versatile, in metas where versatility is a privilege, not a right.

>>59289816
it's incredibly uncommon actually. don't lie in the future please. thanks.

>>59289816
>Skill issue on your part
>Sometimes you have no choice and need to take the gamble

>skill
>gamble

>>59289796
Dawg if anytime you left your house you had a fucking 15% chance to get shot immediately the second you walked out the door, would you want to leave the house very often?

>>59289845
I'm not American.

>>59289848
Stabbed then, same concept.

>>59289830
Knowing when a gamble is the best choice you can make is skill, yes.
Knowing when the objectively correct thing to do is risk the miss chance of Stone Edge is a skill.
Knowing which pokemon should run Fire Blast vs Flamethrower is a skill.

>>59289851
I'm not English.

>>59287557
would you say 70% of the time

>>59289856
knowing when a gamble is the right choice implies that there are non-gamble options in the game, but inherently all options are gambles in a closed sheet system.

>>59289760
get fucked

>>59289745
I had mild success with a meme team where Beedrill was the threat but not the star
>beedrill lead always, u-turn into incineroar every single time unless there's a fake out, then you'd protect
>partner is either h-zoroark disguised as snorlax, or medicham to delete potential threats to the bug/snorlax
>in the back is slow incineroar to intimidate, snarl and parting shot back to beedrill at the end of the turn
>the clincher is fat fuck snorlax with double edge and crunch, bring him out when the fighting types like sneasler are dead
>fill the bench with metamons and hope your opponent overthinks to death
again this isn't a foolproof strategy but it got wins in ultra tier

show me a team you made

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Green and I always get to Master rank in every season.

I, for one, am glad the game doesn't have an indepth match history. I just know people would be stealing my meticulously thought out bonus stat arrangements if they could. I have stats that outspeed certain meta pokemon by 1point and certain attack defense spreads that ensure certain 1-2 hit KO thresholds or turning 2 hit ko's against me into 3 hit ko's. You don't deserve my work for free. Just continue using the recommended Battle Data spread like a good little sheep.

Man once you get a grasp on the meta, you can really shit on metaslaves with whatever. Been fucking around with all the Megas I’ve never seen anyone use, and I went on an absolute rampage last night with Mega Chandelure. I didn’t even have him optimized yet. Practically flew straight out of Ultra Ball just fucking around having fun with him, I didn’t even realize I was on an 8-win streak until it ended. This dude just deletes shit left and right, now I really want a shiny one

I unironically run incineroar with parting shot into esparta, set up calm mind and speed ect and then baton pass into power trip/special incineroar

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>choice scarf hisuian arcanine with rock head abusing head smash
I hope everyone who uses that shit dies a horrible painful death

>>59290273
Bro your aqua jet?
Your sand rush excadrill?
Your earth power chlorophyll venusaur?

>>59289951
It's here
>>59288576
>>59288578

>>59289760
It's so funny seeing vgc babs get on showdown and get fucked in the ass and cry

I haven't played a single ranked match since the reset. I don't know why I even log in anymore.

>>59289774
Did you not play Gen 7? The standard Chomp set was Dragon Claw, EQ, Poison Jab, Protect. In a fairy heavy meta Garchomp runs Poison Jab.

>>59290273
>misses 20% of the time
>gets cucked by focus sash
>gets cucked by protect
>dies to any water or ground move
cool strat bro

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>>59289760
>the metamon of the week is whimsicott
>BRO WHY IS GARCHOMP RUNNING POISON JAB????

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>>59289093
>the ranch wasn’t terrible RNG
>Haven’t seen a Primarina since launch
people do know you can trade right? Its RIGHT there in the OP. Just ask for a mon and people will give it to you through home

>>59290491
Do you really expect any intelligence out of the kind of people that think hisuian Arcanine is overpowered

>>59290491
There are retards who bought the 50$ subscription but not one of the mainline games to get access to all the mons.

As novel as the idea of less diverse pokemon and item pools are it really just means you get a solved meta pretty quick

>>59290579
this this game needs calirex and gholdengo NOW

>>59290593
More items would be a good start

>>59290273
My dog is going to smash his head into your mon and it's your fault for not bringing counterplay. And it will be my fault for trusting that move to not miss when it does miss.

>cofagrigus
I always thought it was cofragigus

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>>59288248
>>59288266
>>59288972
It's no that ba--aww

>>59290634
Say it with me now
>SLOW
>FRAIL
>MIXED ATTACKER

>>59286911
Tatora is the cutest grandma ever

>>59290634
They also gave Farig an honestly pretty subpar stat spread too, it's just Armor Tail is super fucking good and it's stats are *just* good enough to not be outright dogshit.

>lost to drampa of all pokemon
I need to stop underestimating any non-meta pokemon

>>59290645
huh farig gets 110 special attack?
I always assumed it was higher because those hyper voices do hit hard sometimes, though its probably against other shitmons like peli

>>59290655
There is a lot of "bad" megas that are crazy under trick room.

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>>59290656
It's the fucking 90 in attack that gets me. They could have easily made these two specialize in Att/Sp Att, but they turned them both into slow mixed attackers for some reason.

>>59290655
Drampa isn't anything to fuck with. Those Hyper Voices hit insanely hard.

>>59290638
103/72/75 with intimidate isn't frail at all. this thing easily tanks outrage from garchomps

>>59290634
Give it the Archaludon treatment where it now has pseud stats and spdef stamina

>>59290645
Farig is perfectly balanced. If it's stats were higher it's be broken. Remember it doesn't even have its best item right now. Once we get Throat Spray back the screaming giraffe will be the TR setter AND the sweeper.

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>>59290671
Checking the forums
>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/wyrdeer.3722273/
the best the brightest minds of smogon can think of is making wyrdeer a bootleg espathra
>With this set, Wyrdeer attempts to pick up the slack that Espathra left behind before they were assassinated
>[EDIT: THE SMOGON COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT ESPATHRA DIED OF A FENTANYL OVERDOSE.]

>>59290692
Smegmon is such a dumb forced meme

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>>59290692
> ...Though this is not to say this is a set that's going to be bad in the lower tiers. Credit me when Wyrdeer becomes ZUBL
>look up where Wyrdeer is at now
>https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ss-zu-viability-rankings-v2-update-236.3678037/
>Not even used in ZU.
>No example sets even
Fucking WEW

whats everybodoes elo so far this season?

>>59290775
I'm not even Master Ball yet, I'm only doing the dailies for now.

>>59290775
1740 or something.

>>59288566
we get it, you're a casual.

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>>59290793
It's 1700 now

>>59290781
same

>>59290775
like mid 1900s, which means I'm overdue for a 6+ game losing streak

>>59290876
what elo is champions tier so far? are you close to it do you think?

Every time I start doing well with a team, I get bored of it and want to start trying to build memes instead and lose my rating.

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>first time in ultraball1, 3 wins streak, im getting to masterball tonight
>using trickroom team, my stunfisk thunderbolts primarina
>
>It paralyzes her
>she outspeeds next turn and kills both my pokemon
fuck you guys for saying this was about skill