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Ballad of the Battle Edition

Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator available on Switch with a mobile release later. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.

>/vp/ Champions Tournament
The first of hopefully many /vp/ Champions tournaments will be held soon in early June. All anons are invited to participate in a no-banlist, single elimination, BO3 bracket following standard rules, where the winner will be declared the reigning Champion.
Anons interested in joining are advised to list their time zones to determine the best possible tournament time for everyone involved. Registration will be performed with Challonge.

>News
Enter the code DRAG0NDANCEPTC26 for a free Gyarados.

>Resources and useful links
Community Tournaments usage data: https://pikalytics.com/
Ladder usage data: https://pokechamdb.com/en
New Player Guide(NEW PEOPLE READ THIS):
https://rentry.org/pcg-guide (now taking suggestions and feedback)

Quick FAQ
>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?
No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.
>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?
All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.
Ask in the thread if you want any specific Pokémon, and someone will respond.
>Is there single player content?
No.
>Do I need a Nintendo Online subscription?
No.
>What's the starter pack?
US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 Teammate Tickets (recruit Pokemon without using VP), 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.
>Is anything locked behind a paywall?
So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP. Mega Kalos starters and E-Floette require ZA transfer.

>/pcg/ OP pastebin
https://pastebin.com/d2FJZdPh

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>>59305210
>Anons interested in joining are advised to list their time zones
Interested,
My Timezone is UTC +8

Anyone else can check their timezones here.
>https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
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Pokemon Trainer's Cup in Korea is live.
Day 2:
https://www.youtube.com/live/K9pHvzepn44
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>opponent double fake'd out eventhough giraffe is on the field
I am surprised he didn't just scoop then and
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>Inci fakes out my Milobelus and confidently lets my intimidated Meowscarada free to Throat-chop his Gengar
Better than sex.
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>>59303230
I was the one that suggested the draft tournament. The issue i think is time and coordination with people on 4chan. Not everybody is on the same timezones i think. First, for the draft itself could take awhile while having to wait for each player to draft their pick and then for the games themselves as each player needs to find a time to match with each other player. I haven't thought of a good solution to this yet. Also the way draft works you also need to give players time before each round to come up with a strategy for each matchup. It means it could take awhile to complete and regulation M-B starts in ~30 days. I also don't have any experience playing draft and figured i should maybe play one of the discord draft leagues to see how it plays before i try bring it to 4chan.

I do believe draft or something of that ilk is the way to go because it often results in games being played around or won by shitmons or moves/ability sets that you absolutely would never see on the ladder.
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>>59305290
I mean for sure draft is always fun.
I used to play some emerald blitz with my siblings. Fun times. But its one thing to auction draft with people in the same room, its another for differing timezones as you said.
And for sure, I agree, the main problem is still time and coordination. Which is why we are planning this inaugural tournament, just to get a feel as what would be a good time for other anons. If we can lock down a specific time where people generally agree to play, then its all good. In optimal conditions, if everyone actually attended with 16 players, a full bo3 bracket can finish in less than 2 hours.
Just mulling over the ideas out loud. We kind of need more ideas like this being thrown around
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>>59305210
My pokemon champion
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>>59305210
Idk why, but somehow, my Rage Powder didn't work. I used it on my opponent's Venusaur to protect my Gardevoir, which they then one dhot somehow
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>>59305336
Powders don't work on grass types.
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>>59305336
read the new player guide
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>>59305336
Were there any field conditions preventing it from working?

Though I don't think there's any existing conditions that prevent redirection in this game
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>>59305337
I thought Rage Powder was an exception. It always worked on Grass types in Showdown. If that was a glitch, then it's a wonder it still hasn't been patched.
You'd think it would say 'it had no effect' but no, it played the animation, which is funny because it usually says no effect because I've accidentally clicked Sleep Powder a few times.
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>>59305345
>You'd think it would say 'it had no effect' but no, it played the animation
Well yeah, it did have an effect, just not on Venusaur, Rage Powder doesn't target one pokemon in particular.
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>>59305210
I have three Pokémon I wanna work with
Male Meowstic, Mega Gardevoir and Vivillon. These three are nonnegotiable (though what moves they use is negotiable).

Currently I'm thinking of leading with Meowstic and Vivillon. Meowstic uses Fake Out on faster mons that It'll work on, Vivillon fires off 100% Accurate Sleep Powder (Compound Eyes) on one Pokémon. Meowstic then sets up Psychic Terrain thanks to Prankster. Both Meowstic and Gardevoir have Expanding Force.

What other mons should I add? I'd prefer no more Psychic types unless necessary. I'm thinking a redirector and a healer but idk.
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>>59305247
That Delphox missing the heat wave KO on Gambit is exactly why it fell off so hard. Doesn't have the output.
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>>59305352
I have never heard of anyone using Vivillon
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>>59305379
It's not unheard of at all even if it's not the most common thing, definitely more in the realm of reason than Meowstic.
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>>59305352
>Vivillon
I will fucking kill you you piece of shit
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>>59305379
It's had a niche in a few metas now thanks to compound eyes, sleep powder, and access to tailwind. The current meme set is scarfed.
I feel like it saw some use in gen 8 too, but I just can't recall.
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>>59305387
Why?
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>>59305379
It recently started getting popular over the past few days as part of the mega blastoise shell smash team. choice scarf compound eyes sleep powder spam.
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>>59305386
I've seen far more Meowstic

>>59305389
Why Scarf? Wouldn't you wanna status shit then pivot out with U-Turn or set up Tailwind?
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>>59305379
It has two main sets.
Compound Eyes + Sleep Powder (and Hurricane)

Friend Guard + Rage Powder
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>>59305352
Ok but seriously, what other Pokémon do I add?
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>>59305404
>I've seen far more Meowstic
People are not known for being reasonable
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>>59305404
You just hard pivot when threats are asleep. It's pretty vicious if you haven't encountered it yet.
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>>59305379
I was using it before that video got put out and even explained to others how I was using it (tailwind on talonflame so it outspeeds everything)
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>>59305416
I've made it to Master ball and haven't seen shit.

>>59305421
What video?
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>Go first
>my quick claw mon kills my opponents aerodactyl before it can set up tailwind.
>his sylveon's hyper beam misses
I actually felt bad about it.
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>>59305393
Sleep powder + choice scarf is one of the most cancerous sets I have laid my eyes upon.
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>>59305352
Would Trick Room work?
I've seen Yrick Room Mega Gardevoir before
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>>59305426
Aaron Zheng has been particularly good at making cancer teams that many people use without knowing how to pilot.
His Arch+Sableye team just folds if you run down the gremlin.
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>>59305439
I would run a TR Gard for sure.
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One of my best friends got into comp because of this game. I’ve been coaching him and teaching him everything I know for a month now and he just broke into Master Ball using his own strategy that he came up with himself, that I haven’t seen a single person using, here, YouTube, anywhere online. He’s totally elated and I couldn’t be more proud of him.
I spent $7 and he spent $0 for this. Never in a million years did I think I’d get to have this much fun with a close friend who has never given a shit about my favorite game. I’ll carry this happiness to my grave. God bless you all anons, be kind to each other and keep throwing out jank strats that bring you joy
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>>59305447
Who?
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>>59305218
Me and my friend whomst I could recruit are UTC -4
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>>59305447
I fucking hate it regardless since it always gets up screens or burns a mon.
But I fucking despise prankster mons in general
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>>59305290
>>59305306
Draft sounds like a fucking blast, and I’d bend over backwards to join a concerted effort put forth by anons to play a format that could highlight some shitmons and allow for creative, out-of-the-box play.

That being said, it’s tough timing to attempt this given that
A) the game just released
B) we have no idea how the format will change in three weeks, and
C) nothing like this has been attempted here before, and none of us likely have experience with participating in a draft style tournament, let alone running one.

Regardless of the hurdles, this is 100% an idea I’d love to see us work towards, and you’d have my axe as long as it’s burger hours.
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>>59305482
It could be screens, but no burns or encore allowed with Tsareena/Farig lead.
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>>59305483
Well baby steps first.
Draft I think is a lot easier to coordinate, since once we finalized the draft split among the peoples, the battles themselves can take place any time throughout the week/month.
Ill be frank i have no idea how to get drafting.
This website SEEMS to have some sort of draft function with champions MA in mind.
>https://draftpokemon.com/create-draft
The problem is the selection pool is just every single Mon, and there is no weightage or ranking of Mons. We could manually make a csv of the draft, but mkaing that feel fair is a different task altogether.
This is why I was positing a community UU tournament instead. We just arbitrarily cut off the top % of usage, adding back or removing some mons past this cutoff until it feels fair.
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>>59305520
>Ill be frank i have no idea how to get drafting.
Drafting is built in the game, you just roll the ranch 6 times.
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>>59305528
That could work. Though for the sake of being fair, we might mandate people screenshot every pull (calculating VP deducted) and namefagging.
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>>59305260
You need to get laid if you think that's better than sex.
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Can anybody dump the .nsp? I wish to extract the music, which I believe is either .wem or .fsb
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Would eeveelutions be better/more popular in vgc if they had abilities to set up weather/terrain?

Flareon Drought
Vaporeon Drizzle
Jolteon Electric Surge
Leafeon Grassy Surge
Glaceon Snow Warning
Sylveon Misty Surge
Espeon Psychic Surge
Umbreon A new ability that sets up Gravity
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I just had THE most disgusting game
>playing imprison farigiraf
>opponent opens oranguru and sylveon
>my imprison set is hyper voice, protect and trick room
>has to hard switch to his backline, which I destroy while farig protect stalls
>feel the absolute anger while he timer stalls every turn
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>>59305579
>would pokemon be used more if they were better?
gee we simply dont know anon.
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>>59305579
>Flareon
Yes, simply as a Flare Blitz nuke for memes. Would be vastly inferior to Torkoal and even Ninetails as a dedicated Sun setter.
>Joltean
Absolutely. Would be a viable option for ET alongside Koko.
>Vaporeon
Better than Politoed, worse than Pelipper. Would most likely not see serious competitive use since Pelipper does basically everything you'd want a rain setter to do.
>Leafeon
Vegan Rillaboom. Only usable in formats where Rilla isn't allowed. Completely outclassed otherwise.
>Glaceon
Better than Abomasnow and Aurorus worse than every other Snow Warning user otherwise. Would not be used.
>Sylveon
For sure. Would allow for a more viable support role rather than it being stuck as Pixalite nuke.
>Espeon
Only in formats where Indeedee isn't around. Outclassed entirely otherwise.
>Umbreon
Meta destroying most likely. Would only ever be outstaged in how much it ruins the game if GF were to add an ability that autosets Trick Room.
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>>59305352
So I'm pairing it with Maushold (slower and tankier than other Maushold) for support with Helping Hand, Taunt and Follow Me.

Tsareena for Queenly Majesty

Tyranitar because it's decent in TR plus it's strong and has good coverage for each of my other Pokémon.
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>>59305590
What if the Umbreon abilitiy is a terrain version of Cloud Nine called Ground Zero?
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scale shot serperior for trick room or have it hold room service and switch in during the last turn. Just a fun little strat for you to try ;)
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>full paralysis wins me an unwinnable game
The tables have turned
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>>59305653
>>poltermiss loses me an unloseable game
I hate how fucking good this is I want to use literally anything else but nothing approaches its power
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>>59305656
Reg MA has been full of these fucking 90 acc moves which really miss like 30% of the time in practice. Half my team relies on them to do damage.
When I don't miss, I tend to win.
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>>59305579
All Eeveelutions should be deleted from the game
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>>59305590
>Better than Abomasnow and Aurorus
Chapjeet does not deserve to see that happen.
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>>59305247
>>59305247
They're showing a big stage, I think that means finals is starting.
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>>59305459
I am happy for you anon.
I never played vgc either and I'm having fun.
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>>59305686
might just be top 16?
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>>59305608
Unironically made it to Ultra 2 without losing. Then got wrecked by some big meta guy
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>>59305638
Why Trick Room?
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>>59305656
Work for those big Hexes
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>>59305247
>missed hyper beam
>gets fucked
>missed hyper beam again
fucking hell this game
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>>59305699
Because Contrary+Scale Shot boosts its def but tanks its speed.
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Does anyone even give a shit about the singles event?
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>>59305710
no.
im going to walk in, half ass 3 games and leave.
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>>59305710
I'm sure we'll see another clickbait Wolfe vid about it

>I TRIED COMPETITIVE SINGLES FOR THE FIRST TIME!
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1. What determines performance bonuses? Is it dominating? Performing comebacks? Not missing Rock Slide seven times in a row
2. Do we know all the possible teams and names for the bot teams? I've ran into opposing players in Ultra and Master Ball ranks who use the starter teams and have random Japanese names (タクミ, ユカリ etc.) and play like complete retards.
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>>59305719
Pretty sure the bot team is only the mons from the starter teams. I've also heard there is a bot with 6 eeveelutions but I haven't seen it personally.
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>>59305719
>What determines performance bonuses?
It's from having played ranked in the previous season, to get you out of Poke/Great Ball faster.
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>>59305719
Most obvious indication of a bot is how immediate each action is made and how they keep using suboptimal attacks like say Flame Wheel over Flamethrower. Admittedly, sometimes I see this behavior and go into autopilot mode as well only to see the opponent forfeit after sweeping them to 3-1
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If you think about it, Trace should really copy both abilities in a double battle.
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What pokemon do you associate with Japanese players? Pokemon that they use that nobody else seems to use.
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>>59305706
Scale Shot raises speed? Huh?
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Got to Masterball with this squad
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>>59305738
Raises speed, lowers defense. Contrary inverts that, so you lose speed and gain defense
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>>59305741
how
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>>59305741
Start tsareena + meowstic, switch in gardevoir, set psy terrain then hypervoice/expanding force?
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How do they make mega golisopod not shit
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>>59305782
Change its ability
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Tatsudozo teams will be annoying as fuck next mets
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>>59305782
really the only thing holding it back is the ability.
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>>59305782
Could give it Drizzle idk
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>>59305762
>>59305764
I typically lead with Meowstic and Vivillon. Fake Out + Sleep Powder on turn 1, Psychic Terrain + Sleep Power or U-Turn into Gardevoir turn 2. The other three are chosen based on coverage. Something I lead with Tsareena or Maushold nstead of either Meowstic or Vivillon depending on match up.
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>>59305784
>>59305786
>>59305791
Tough claws feels good for giant first impressions but then what if they have psychic terrain or giraffe plant.

Mold breaker could be cool for getting around those and drill run levitating mons

Inner focus could be useful so you can intimidate flinch it

Its such a weird pokemon by nature i bet they fuck it up
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>>59305791
Mega becomes bug/steel but at least that'd help stop it from immediately dying to 4x weakness to fire. Maybe.
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>>59305782
By giving it the same ability but with a Regenerator secondary ability.
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>>59305741
Post spreads and movesets.
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Emergency Exit lets you switch to your intimidate/regenerator/poltchageist/etc or a better matchup whithout wasting an item on an erect button. Golisopod catches a lot of strays for being a really creative and rewarding member of any team.
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>>59305819
It wouldn't be so hated if it were an optional ability
But I don't think there've been any Pokemon ability that prompted a yes/no on whether you want to use its effect
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>>59305819
Tapu Lele just cucks him too hard desu.
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Watch it get weak armor because its an armored core and it detaches its limbs for more speed
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Why does quick claw slowbro move first every time
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>>59305854
I heard people complain that quick claw is bugged in Champions, but it might be confirmation bias/sour grapes.
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Watching Cybertron's videos is really helpful, whenever he puts out a video you know 10,000,000 people watched it within 5 seconds of it releasing and all have their counters ready for every single thing within it in about a day and so you should never use anything contained within them.

Every single team is built to counter Archaludon and Sableye because of him so now the combination sucks. Whimsicott and sash Glimmora is toast forever by next week.

I guess it's the same for Wolfey's videos. It's pretty vampiric, these PokéTubers all suck the life blood from a Pokémon strategy for clicks and money then throw the mutilated corpses on the side of the road searching for their next meal.
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>>59305864
It legit moves first every turn
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>>59305785
How does dozogiri interact with roar?
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>>59305864
It's because the text is a lie. Quick Claw activates 23% of the time, which is almost quarter, rather than 20%.

Claw and Draw activates almost 50% of turns.
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>>59305871
Doesn't work
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Sometimes I have the most niche complaints about this game, like forcing PP Max
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last night i had a dream that a person found physical copies of champions in japan and the number of available pokemon on the back of the box was 69 higher than the current amount, implying that regulation MB would be adding 69 more pokemon

i need to start having better dreams
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>>59305918
that would bring the total to 420...
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Would this save champs?
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>>59305938
what the fuck...

that's scary...
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>>59305941
>master duel
dropped that shit when fiendsmith came out
Though this is just asking for a UU ladder, which Im not complaining, I do like weaker formats since shittier mons get to shine
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>>59305941
Ofifcial UU meta
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FINALLY
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>>59305967
cute space buns!
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>>59305880
Oof.
What can you reasonably do to it?
Run clear smog torkoal with rage powder mega scovillain or perish song it?
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>>59306028
Fun fact: in a dozogiri mirror, whoever lost a pokemon before they combined will lose since neither can kill the other
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>>59305972
Huh
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>>59306049
Fun.
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>>59306028
Fast/Prankster Haze.
I prefer to just run Ditto, even if he isn't a "consistent" or "good" Dozo counter. Flower Trick will also be more effective against him now that Tera's gone.
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I'm going to train a Scrafty just in case its mega evo is good
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>>59305866
>these poketubers are killing my precious meta
lol
lmao
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>>59306193
I mean training a scrafty is as shrimple as transfering one in from home and burning 2k vp max.
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>>59306259
I prefer to save my VP
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>>59306268
why?
The game drowns you in it and there is nothing much to use it for.
Unless you're buying every single clothing item.
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>can't save replays
>can't view opponent team post battle
Even Master Duel had these on launch
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brainstorming some ideas
>it takes 2200 VP or 22 quick coupons to immediately reroll
>you need to spend 2500 VP on permanent recruitment, elsewise you cant train them
>retraining pokemon is an average of 1k+-ish
I have hundreds of quick coupons, so assuming the reroll is free, lets say 1300 VP average for training. If you only are using the six, then thats 22800 VP for a team of six for draft.
If you dont permanently recruit them and just transfer from home, which is longer and roundabout, but cheaper, then you only spend about 7800 VP per 6 mon team.
TLDR:
>pure VP spending; draft 10, recruit permanent + train 6 = 44,800 VP (without quick coupons) or 22800 VP with coupons
>max budget: draft 10 (with coupons), recruit temporary, add from home instead, training = 7800 VP
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>>59306368
They're all concerned about replays not working after patches. For some reason they can't imagine a world where a different replay system could be implemented.
Gen 6 + 7 were peak for battles.
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>>59306378
SwSh really fucking ruined this franchise.
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>>59306378
At the very least I'd like to see the opponent's team so I can know what kind of weird build they're playing that they didn't pull out an obvious coverage move that could've won them the game or how come my Pokemon could outspeed them
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>>59306376
I think training draft mons would be lame.
Should be locked to the moves/abilities/stats that they come with out of recruitment.
Otherwise its too easy to just pick the strongest mon from every recruit without needing to think about what they come with since you're just gonna change it all.
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>>59306376
In my mind drafting using the game meant simply using them as they are, makes the whole process snappier and a lot more affordable. Less than a week of doing dailies being enough quick tickets to take part in one drafting event.
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>>59306268
I barely play and already have like 100k. Anyway you can set whatever moves you want easily on ZA.
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Once you hit endgame in pokemon training them should be easy as this game
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Psychic terrain just won me a game because it murdered their fag sableyes ability to suck cock
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I keep thinking my opponents going to be smart and protect and they dont
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>hard trick room trainer leads farig Charizard
>lol ill just roar the farig
>intimidated Charizard x crits a ohko brick break on an incineroar
>game over turn 1
Very cool
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>>59306634
What's your Psychic Terrain setter?
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>>59306641
The way their trainer character looks and name gives you some indication as to their likely IQ. If the character looks a certain way you might not need to worry as much about switches and protects. Don't tell anyone this tek it's too mean.
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I entered Master Ball at Tier 3 rank #17,700, ELO 1700 this season. I ended last season at ELO 1700 rank #105,000.

This is a game I seem to get too tilted in to spend more time battling, as when I lose rank I become upset and berate myself, since the game feels like an intelligence test and hence proof of my stupidity.

>>59306683
It's probably Meowstic.
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>>59306683
Espathra. No one respects it because they think calm minds coming if they've seen one but then they have to deal with speed boosted expanding forces behind a sash
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>>59306696
The swings in ranked are crazy but it weighs streaks heavily ao you just need a chain
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>opponent's team is all shinies
>every nickname is some anime reference
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I hate rock slide so much holy shit
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>>59306696
>Ended last season at like 1800
>Entered Masterball this season at 1700
>Lost a bunch of games in a row and got sent down to 1550ish
>Haven't played since
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>>59306769
It needs a 15% nerf to the flinch chance.
Flinch status is so much better than most others because you simply lose a turn.
A rock slide that double connects has >50% chance of getting 1 flinch. If you have to rock slide users and they connect it becomes >75% of 1 flinch.
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>>59306785
I had a match earlier where the other guy won by only using rock slide.
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>>59306378
The rationale I saw for this is that the way battle replays worked in previous games was that the replay wasn't so much an actual replay as it was taking the actions and results of the battle as a script and then performing the script for the replay. With Champions having the ability to make balance changes to moves, you could have a situation where something breaks because the move has changed and it results in a different match state. For example, if they were to remove the flinch chance on a move like Icicle Crash, any replay in which Icicle Crash flinched the opponent would now be broken because it's creating an impossible game state and the game won't know how to proceed with the replay as a result.

I don't think it's a particularly good argument and there are a bunch of ways to get around this, but that's what I heard was the rationale.
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>>59306822
Giga cope excuse from gamefreak if true.
You could just have the game remember all the moves, damage and secondary effects, and just make the game play the animations from that. It's a tiny amount of info. You don't need the game to literally replay the battle mechanically
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>>59306822
YGO Duel Links would clear all your old replays every now and then when there was a big update. I think Smash Bros on 3DS also made old replays unviewable when balancing patches are made. I don't mind old replays being cleared, just the ability to review a recent battle is more than enough
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>>59306822
Any excuse that boils down to "the replays might not work in the future" is bullshit. Even if the replays self-destructed after 20 minutes, that'd still be infinitely better than having no replays at all.
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>>59305941
Its beyond saving
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>>59306822
A bunch of Indians could program better than this
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>>59306841
>I think Smash Bros on 3DS also made old replays unviewable when balancing patches are made.
Smash 4, Ultimate, and now Air Riders all do it.
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>>59306838
they can literally just store the replay in text form
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Hey guys, I think Espathra at +1 speed is faster than scarf Vivillon? If you have Sableye as a partner you can set Gravity, protect Espathra on turn one, and then use Hypnosis on Vivillon.

I just put one to sleep lol. But obviously you can do the same exact stuff as Vivillon and just Hypnosis spam every slot. And once usefulness is gone you can Baton Pass the speed gains which will probably be significant.

If it's good and not a meme strat, keep it on your own teams before some PokéTuber vampire succubus bastard shares it and it's countered and everywhere.
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shit game lol
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>>59307012
Also obviously the leads are Sableye and Espathra. Disable on Whimsicott turn one to lock it to Tailwind so you can Protect Espathra turn one and avoid Encore. Turn two Hypnosis its partner, doesn't matter because you have Sash. Turn 3 you're at +2 speed and you're faster than Timid max speed Charizard under Tailwind and can put them to sleep.

You might want to put Torkoal on the team because giraffe is a really bad counter to Sableye and you can use its Trick Room.
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Newish player just using a team of mons I like. I went undefeated up to Ultra 1 and then spent an entire day to get from U1 to Master lol.
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>>59307063
>sitrus ditto
So this is the power...
...
Of master level trainers...
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>>59307063
Morpeko is really good and the 4chan mascot. It feels cool seeing the hamster wheel fly at the enemy mega and put them through the floor. Gardevoir and Vaporeon are the Reddit mascots.

Which moveset do you have on yours?
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>>59307068
Scarf is 100% better but I just feel better not being locked to a single move, and I cope with tailwind...
>>59307069
Morpeko is so fun, genuinely a good mon. I run Taunt on it for the Trick Room teams, it genuinely carries me in that matchup.
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>>59307069
You don't find times where a mon can protect every other turn?
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>>59305817
Only weakness is Kingambit
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>>59307077
Yes it makes them predictable. It's probably not your revenge killer, it's your lead, so you'll have an ally.
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>>59307195
If anyone has a way to improve the team without swapping Meowstic, Gardevoir or Vivillon?
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>>59307195
Sirry, forgot image
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Why doesn't Pokemon Home on the Switch have a GTS? What is GFs fucking problem
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>>59307241
It's baffling.
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I wanna make Hisuian Avalugg work. I know it's stupid, but I'm thinking Choice Scarf
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>>59305782
Water bubble would make it pretty busted, or its ability could improve its priority moves somehow. A new ability could increase the priority on Golisopod's priority moves even further, so First Impression could have priority 3 (ignoring redirection), 4 (ignoring fake out), or even 5 (ignoring Protect). Or, every turn could be treated as if it was the first turn Golisopod switched in so as to be able to spam First Impression, or you could make its priority moves always hit, ignoring the effects of terrain and abilities.
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>>59307254
Tried it. Absolute dogshit, but really fun when it pops off
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>>59305210
Green should be in this game as an optional trainer for double battles. Would be a nice way to shill characters from the modern anime and other games too.
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>>59306822
Smash Bros already has this. Old replays need to be converted to mp4 files when new rules come out. There are other ways around this too. You could change it so replays save the actual outcome of moves instead of just their selection (so in the Icicle Crash case, it would save the target, the damage it took, whether it was a crit or not, whether it was a flinch or not). There are multiple known solutions to this problem and I assume eventually one will be implemented. My guess is replays were a low priority because they needed to get this game shipped for Worlds.
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>enemy trainer d'arby
>i sleep both his forwards with dire claw
Get jojo referenced lmao
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>>59307263
>aqua jets
>all moves have priority
Lol
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>>59307012
I tried this for a while. It's actually excellent for the purpose of putting everything to sleep, but you have two frail and pathetic "support mons" which is a problem.

Maybe someone here can think of a better way to get gravity on the field without ending up with two support mons.
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>>59307263
Golisopod is disgusting looking and it should never become viable.
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>>59307344
Mega Golisopod is the coolest thing ever
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>>59307344
This but Incineroar
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>>59305782
It changes the opponents ability to Wimp Out when making contact. Or once per battle/once per switch in, hitting an enemy with a contact move swaps them out randomly.
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I think the extra arms mean they'll be part of the ability
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>>59307419
Incineroar AKA "Fursuit" has been incinerated. Thank God for Kingambit and Milotic.
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>>59306753
I usually name my mons after songs.

>>59307063
Congrats. How was Luxray overall?

>>59307254
>>59307268
Your best bet is probably just waiting for Indeedee and Ursaluna as partners and using it on a hard TR team. Ground/Ice/Normal/Rock is a pretty good coverage core.
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>>59307203
Add a Sand Rush mon to rape Floette.
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Bro psychic terrain in this meta cucks sneasler whimsicott kingambit sableye kanga and any of the other fake out prankster priority abusers its #litty
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>>59307203
>>59307209
Your meowstic is being pulled in two different directions. If its main job is to set psy terrain and helping hand, it should be bulky with an item that helps with that instead of invested in special attack. You already have terrain to block priority, so I don't think you need a tsareena to do it as well, especially because it is generally a bad mon that you use solely for that reason. Garde could probably benefit from having less speed and more bulk, you want it to both be slower than fast threats in trick room but faster than the fastest threats under tailwind.
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>>59307495
or you just send out Farig without needing to waste a turn and moveslot setting up psychic terrain.
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>>59307509
Too bad its slow and offers nothing but armor tail
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>>59307509
Farig can set up Psychic Terrain to provide support for Psychics.
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>>59306621
We'll see what gen 10 is like
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Blastoise farig leads are extremely homosexual
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>>59307457
>Congrats. How was Luxray overall?
Thanks, Luxray is definitely the weakest part of the team and it's my experimental slot. For now it's just there to deal with Garchomp and general water threats. Intimidate has helped a lot too.
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Its gonna be a whacky next season
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>got to MB at 22 BP
Welp, guess it's time for me to re-visit Singles
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>>59307592
Shiny Mega Mawile my beloved... I loved using it back in X/Y online. Now I can finally use her again...
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>>59307592
Guess i should get off my ass and finish ZA so I can have access to those megas
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>>59307592
Where is this info coming from?
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>>59307592
please just let him keep adaptability, the stats are all he needed, he'll be fine, don't overcook, it's not going to get better than adaptability, please
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>>59307592
Feels like trolling tee bee aytch, these mons are 95% shit and there's Tatsugiri with no Dondozo lol. Barbaracle is definitely trolling.

I'm rolling the Ranch as much as possible right now before there are too many shitters for the tickets to make the things you want appear.
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>>59307607
Luckily my brother plays that shit game so I can get whatever from him.
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>>59307592
This is just the rest of the missing Megas, if this is all they're adding next season then these better be not be rocking shit like "Stalwart".
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>>59307645
whoever this is, is just showing the new megas.
I bet we get something like 60 more mons.
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>Mega Malamar gets an ability that inverts type resistances and weaknesses when on the field
Are you prepared?
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>>59307649
It's been confirmed some of them have Stalwart.
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>>59307654
I would spend a long time teambuilding for that. That's a high IQ form of play.
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>>59307654
>Mega Malamar gets an ability that inverts priority
I'm not prepared
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>>59307666
>it inverts damage calcs
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>>59307654
I VILL use the evil gay cult squid of doom
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>>59307592
So what do we think the best of these is gonna be?
>Salamence
It's fucking Mega Mence. Expect this shit to be on every other team at minimum. Might single-handedly cut Sneedler usage in half.
>Metagross
Same exact deal. Will definitely cut Sneedler usage in half if both it and Mence are dropped together.
>Baxcalibur
Definitely going to be busted as shit. May force Snow into actual viability, doubly so if Loaded Dice is added too and its base is made deadly as shit
>Mawile, Dragalge, Falinks, Elektross
Probably decent options in TR teams. All usable but unlikely to break the game.
>Pyroar, Raichu, Staraptor, Absol, Chomp, Luc, Scrafty
All probably okay to great. Luc has the potential to be broken as shit depending on its ability.
>Swampert
Rain has another great Swift Swimmer. I hope you love the taste of water. You'll either see a drought of Sun teams or an increase of them to fight against Rain.
>Tatsu
Annoying as shit if DozoBozo is in, mid if not.
>Scolipede, Barb, Absol, Blaziken, Sceptile, Malamar
Most likely going to be awful in doubles. Otherwise these are all probably fine to busted in singles. Malamar might be the worst of the new megas depending on what its abilit ends up being.
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>>59307677
Has a trick room team ever won the world championships? I'm reluctant to go for it because it seems like there's a hard ceiling to how well you can do with such teams. They're just totally absent from a lot of major tournaments.
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>>59307592
>Tatsugiri
This is probably gonna be the strongest "Second Mega" option in the game because Tatsugiri doesn't give two shits about it's item half the time anyways, so it's basically just having the option to give it a last-ditch steroid in the event your primary Mega either can't come or didn't get the chance to pop during the match.
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>>59307691
Except we are playing on a ladder system game where oddball teams have a massive advantage over open team sheet official tournaments.
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>>59307693
Dondozo teams are going to be so annoying if you cant haze them properly
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Does Dozo eat Mega Tatsugiri in ZA or does it need to be regular Tatsu to get eaten?
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>>59307748
Needs to be regular, which is why people figure it won't have Commander when it Megas.
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>>59307748
You just mega after dozo goes down
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>>59307719
Trick room isn't oddball, if you see a giraffe or monkey and Torkoal/Steelix or some shit you know what's going on. And if you pull an oddball fast mon with trick room it's going to die when room goes up because fast Pokémon get one shot without sash.
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>>59307748
They're changing Commander and making it so it doesn't work if Tatsugiri is holding an item.
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>>59307677
>Definitely going to be busted as shit. May force Snow into actual viability, doubly so if Loaded Dice is added too and its base is made deadly as shit
Snow, as opposed to MFroslass + good stuff, should be really good next reg if Bax is added. Bax synergizes well with the already-strong MFroslass-Kingambit-Sneasler core. MFroslass can switch into a Fighting move targeted at Bax, Kingambit deters Intimidate, and Sneasler can use Coaching into Bax. The loaded dice set is probably the best one, but they don't add it, you could probably use an Assault Vest set alongside Aurora Veil. You'd get +50% to both Bax's defenses if snow is up, and another 33% damage reduction on top of that from Veil. It's like that annoying Sableye + Arch team, but instead of Sableye you have MFrosslass. Just add Rilla to trigger grassy seed on Sneasler and either Incin or Volcarona and you have a pretty good team. I think this squad would be even better with Heatran, but it probably won't be legal.
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>>59307765
>>59307748
>mega after getting out of the month
Sounds rad as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78O6tyUQIIQ
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>>59307786
Please God. Snow mons are the most beautiful Pokémon by quite a lot. I'd love to use a snow team but right now they're just shit and Froslass gets dropped immediately.
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>>59307592
where is this from?
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>>59307824
It's just a list of all the missing megas and all these retards thought it was next season leaks.
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>>59307592
I'm really not in the mood to deal with Mega Salamence
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>>59307830
well there is wishful thinking.
Im sure not letting phonefaggots get anally raped by megamence on day 1 would probably in someone's mind in ilca
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>>59307846
Not sure if phone players will boost my standing, or demolish it.
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>Redditor's first tournament experience

Lmao... Reminds me of the Gosling supermarket copypasta for some reason.
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>>59307863
Is that actually how most tournament rounds tend to go IRL?
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>>59307574
Finally someone said it, fucking hate closed team sheet coinflip bullshit half the blastoise are just pretending to have fake out
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it's going to be so damn cool when we can challenge strangers to pokemon battles with our cellphones
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>>59307886
What do you mean you didn't plan for Farigiraf to click Thunderbolt into you? How could you not expect that?
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>>59307875
I haven't been a tourneyfag in close to a decade but almost every single person I ever played against was chill. The one superautist I played against who loudly asked me if I meant to do something one match was a known problem and I think he ended up being banned from the circuit.
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>>59307502
Its job is to Fake Out turn one with Vivillon out, or, Set up Psychic Terrain so that it and Gardevoir can Psyspam. Helping Hand if the opponent is a tanky dark type. What do you propose I replace Tsareena with?
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Who is the legal Skill Link mon?
Does Population Bomb + King's Rock have a 99% Flinch chance?
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>>59307951
>Who is the legal Skill Link mon?
picrel
The chance is actually 89~% is you hit all ten population bombs
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>>59307961
I'm getting 65% chance to flinch but it's been a long time since high school math
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>>59307961
I ran into a lead M-Heracross running Trailblaze in singles once
I was using Scarf Kleavor though so it just 2HKO'd it and he forfeited immediately after
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>>59307830
Knowing the pace of this content feed, they will continue to drip feed content
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>>59307976
The pace of new mons and items is like 0 mph
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>>59307967
Ah my bad, i redid the math instead of relying on reddit.
1 - 0.90^10
Since kings rock is 10% chance of flinch, this accumulates to roughly 65.13%, so you are right.
Never spread misinformation people, my bad.
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>>59307976
Going off this pic from the official site, we should get more stuff next season.
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>>59307982
its so sad that this stupid image is the only thing we can rely on for expecting content.
All we know for sure is just more megas from the 'M-' denomination.
How many?
All of it or some of it?
Will we get the Z-megas?
What about legendary megas? Will that come immediately, or after the other gimmicks like z-moves?
We just dont know enough.
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>>59307657
Wish it was confirmed Gamefreak’s employees mass quit and they hired competent game design devs instead
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>>59307657
One of the new megas is getting Truant lol.
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>>59307592
mega swift swim shenanigans aside we finally got one of the bulky water/ground pokemon in the game
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>>59308024
Because they design their game for Singles even though Singles is a completely terrible, irredeemable and laughable format that was only ever tolerated because someone built a battle simulator where animations are either 1000x faster or removed.

Imagine actually sitting there through 30 minutes of Toxapex Bunker and Leftovers recovery and switch animations. Lmao.
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>>59307945
Maybe take a few points from Sp. Atk and put them into Def.
Anything really, Kingambit, Excadrill or Basculegion are my choices
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>>59306461
>>59306485
I'm not sure it's that different either way but I guess if we don't train them, people at least have to choose between good pokemon with their worse ability and bad moves and stat spred, vs a shitmon with pretty goid stats and moves.

Anyways this isn't gonna be the only tournament, so we can always do other things for future tournaments.
-draft and cope with them as they are
-draft and minmax them
-make a banlist and anything else goes
-anything goes lol
-some kinda silly themed tournament

The world is our cloyster.
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>>59308075
i mean if the first small comp goes well, the next one is obviously the seemingly forgotten monotype tourney

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YOU, YES YOU READING THIS!
PLEASE JOIN, WE NEED INFORMATION ON WHO IS INTERESTED AND YOUR TIMEZONE TO COORDINATE. READ THE OP
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>>59307990
Even the trailers leading up to Champions where extremely vague about everything. I don't think Gamefreak fully knows what they wanna do with this game in the long run.
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It's weird how Sharpness Gallade is stronger than Mega Gallade in a lot of damage calculations.
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>>59308152
and everyone assumed the Mega would also get sharpness but GF dropped the ball as usual.
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i will see rock slide and archaludon in my nightmares
>>59308152
>>59308154
i like mega gallade more because it shits on mega lopunny
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>>59308165
>i like mega gallade more because it shits on mega lopunny
You "shit" on Lopunny because most people are retards who don't pay attention to the few pokemon with Inner Focus.
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>>59308165
Lopunny is shit. It's one of the things PokéTubers post where it's like "MEGA LOPUNNY IS BROKEN!" for clicks and you build it and it sucks and you immediately go back to the actual proven and good team with Pokémon that regularly win tournaments.
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Why is Mega Garchomp actually seeing tiny bits of play?
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>>59308183
When Return gets reprogrammed into the games you'll eat your words...
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>>59308191
Limited pool got so old people just trying out anything that hasn't been done to death
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>>59307063
I want a Mega Morpeko. Ability is "Speed Boost". It can look something like this where one side is a grinning face and the other is a black angry face, and every turn the faceplate spins 180 degrees to show the opposite side.
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Bro hits 6 triple axels when it matters and misses when he just needs to break the sash lmao
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>>59308247
Niggas be so lazy that they generate images instead of using regularly available pngs
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>>59308075
"gatcha" drafting isn't a very good idea as it's too unbalanced. The quality of peoples gatcha rolls is not going to be equal, ignoring all the other issues. This is the way drafting is usually done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRckdx0fx8w
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Who would win
An experienced VGC player with a shit but usable team?
Or
A complete newbie who copied the best team that could find online
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>>59308324
Vgc typically
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>>59308324
you are just describing a pimpnite video
>>59308310
No i get that, but like it or not, this game has limitations. Yes either snake drafting in football, or auction drafting is more 'fair', keep in mind we are random people in a thread. Unless you want to move this to discord, or we have websites to automate all this function for us, gacha drafting is sort of the easiest and lowest barrier of entry way of doing it.
Will everyone just snipe garchomp the moment they see it?
Yeah probably. But this levels the playing field so you dont have to login into anything, debrief lil timmy who just installed the game or his dad who popped in for two hours to play a couple of sets.
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Is this a good place to ask for team building help?
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>>59308361
With a name like that? Of course
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>>59307457
Until those two are added, what do you propose in the meantime?

>>59307465
Examples? I can think of Excadrill, which would be perfect due to its Steel typing.
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Is there a cheat code team for Singles? Surely some is figured out that can easily beat the opposition?
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>>59308387
Excadrill and Lycanroc both learn Iron Head.



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